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Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/04/20 05:24 PM
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Bad news of the officer involved shooting. Hope it doesn't make national news.
Keep your heads down and powder dry if it does.
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10/04/20 05:30 PM
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I think JG is out that way. He’ll be prepared, I bet.
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10/04/20 05:40 PM
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I’m sure JG is prepared.
Rangers are running the investigation. They generally do not release details. That being said, it occurred at a convenience store which has control of any recording. Plus the deceased was a Wolfe City employee.
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10/04/20 05:45 PM
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Sig226fan is pretty connected there. He might give some news when appropriate.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/04/20 06:22 PM
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It sounds real bad The guy was a football coach I think. Not a criminal graduated from hardin Simmons University. Early reports are he was breaking up a fight between a man and a woman and the police officer showed up and shot him.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/04/20 06:28 PM
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Tragic. I am sorry for his family's loss. Let the Rangers do their jobs. I sure hope the problem folk do not think they are going to go there and riot. It is old skewl, small town Texas still. I'm out of town about 9 minutes, it will not spill over to my place. But, I've made lots of friends in the area, that I care about.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/04/20 06:30 PM
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It sounds real bad The guy was a football coach I think. Not a criminal graduated from hardin Simmons University. Early reports are he was breaking up a fight between a man and a woman and the police officer showed up and shot him. That sounds terrible.
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10/04/20 08:58 PM
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That does sound bad. Guess we have to wait for the 5pm newscast.
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10/04/20 09:00 PM
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I don’t personally know the deceased - but have several friends that do. I’ve heard he was a good dude. From the info that’s out this sounds real bad on Wolfe city PD.
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10/04/20 09:15 PM
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"When police arrived, I’m told, he raised his hands and attempted to explain what was going on," Merritt wrote on Facebook. "Police fired tasers at him and when his body convulsed from the electrical current, they 'perceived a threat' and shot him to death."
"Lesser mortals are pitied for the misfortune in not being born Texan."
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10/04/20 10:06 PM
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Story is reported on KETR web page.
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10/04/20 11:53 PM
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My heart breaks for that man's family...does not look good for the officers...I pray cooler heads prevail.
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10/05/20 12:11 AM
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Bad news of the officer involved shooting. Hope it doesn't make national news.
Keep your heads down and powder dry if it does. Already up on Dallas News Networks, Photo of the Victim.
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10/05/20 12:49 AM
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This one sounds different from the usual narrative. I can’t imagine being in either sets of shoes.
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10/05/20 01:25 AM
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This one sounds different from the usual narrative. I can’t imagine being in either sets of shoes. this not a good situation
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10/05/20 01:28 AM
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I’ve read some FB pages, it’s not looking good. Officers address and vehicle descriptions have been released and there are a LOT of angry people.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/05/20 01:46 AM
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I’ve read some FB pages, it’s not looking good. Officers address and vehicle descriptions have been released and there are a LOT of angry people. Whether the officer was right or wrong in his actions, I’ll never understand that sort of behavior.
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10/05/20 02:17 AM
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I’ve read some FB pages, it’s not looking good. Officers address and vehicle descriptions have been released and there are a LOT of angry people. Whether the officer was right or wrong in his actions, I’ll never understand that sort of behavior. Right. What is anyone going to do with that information, really? Is someone going to vandalize his house and vehicle? Is someone going to attempt to destroy his house and vehicle? Is someone going to attempt to harm, injure or kill him and his family? No, probably not. There are extreme legal ramifications for those acts. And, if LE isn't there at the time to stop it, the people being affected by it (and their neighbors) are left with little choice. Don't share that information, nothing good will come from it.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/05/20 02:52 AM
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Sig226fan is pretty connected there. He might give some news when appropriate. Yep, Vernon works for the school district or use to. I PM'd him before dove season and have not heard from him. He usually answers pretty quickly.
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10/05/20 03:25 AM
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Sig226fan is pretty connected there. He might give some news when appropriate. Yep, Vernon works for the school district or use to. I PM'd him before dove season and have not heard from him. He usually answers pretty quickly. Think nothing of it. He quit replying to people a few years ago. Probably living a solitary life, and that's his right.
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10/05/20 03:53 AM
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I see the ambulance-chasing,race-baiting Lee Merritt has ALREADY showed up.
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10/05/20 04:35 AM
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10/05/20 11:23 AM
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Know a few folks from that area and the whole community is devastated about the events. Prayers for all involved.
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10/05/20 04:52 PM
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Sad sad sad. I have been in that gas station many times..
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10/05/20 04:56 PM
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Just spoke with a friend of mine that has lived in Wolfe City for over 50 years. The man shot was truly a good person, and was also a lifelong resident of Wolfe City. The officer is very young, was scared and really did mess up. Very unfortunate for all involved.
He also said there is Hunt County deputies, Fannin County deputies, and three Texas Rangers in town. I expect with that level of peace officers, the peace will be kept.
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10/05/20 05:57 PM
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Man if this is the story what the hell was that cop thinking.....SMH
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10/05/20 06:01 PM
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Confirmation bias. Inexperience. Adrenaline
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10/05/20 06:35 PM
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I won’t believe a thing until the investigation is over
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Just spoke with a friend of mine that has lived in Wolfe City for over 50 years. The man shot was truly a good person, and was also a lifelong resident of Wolfe City. The officer is very young, was scared and really did mess up. Very unfortunate for all involved.
He also said there is Hunt County deputies, Fannin County deputies, and three Texas Rangers in town. I expect with that level of peace officers, the peace will be kept. sadly he will be lost to likes of blm, george floyd
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10/05/20 06:47 PM
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There ain't much in Wolfe city to burn down.
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Just spoke with a friend of mine that has lived in Wolfe City for over 50 years. The man shot was truly a good person, and was also a lifelong resident of Wolfe City. The officer is very young, was scared and really did mess up. Very unfortunate for all involved.
He also said there is Hunt County deputies, Fannin County deputies, and three Texas Rangers in town. I expect with that level of peace officers, the peace will be kept. DPD did nothing wrong yet they looted, burned, and destroyed Dallas. That WCPD officer messed up big time. You don’t think this will explode? You really think a few deputies will handle a mob?
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10/05/20 08:08 PM
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Just spoke with a friend of mine that has lived in Wolfe City for over 50 years. The man shot was truly a good person, and was also a lifelong resident of Wolfe City. The officer is very young, was scared and really did mess up. Very unfortunate for all involved.
He also said there is Hunt County deputies, Fannin County deputies, and three Texas Rangers in town. I expect with that level of peace officers, the peace will be kept. DPD did nothing wrong yet they looted, burned, and destroyed Dallas. That WCPD officer messed up big time. You don’t think this will explode? You really think a few deputies will handle a mob? It would be better for the deputies to handle it, than the citizens. This ain't Dallas county, or the city of Dallas...
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10/05/20 08:09 PM
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There ain't much in Wolfe city to burn down. The people that live there, and the business owners that try to make a living there would disagree.
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10/05/20 08:19 PM
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Just spoke with a friend of mine that has lived in Wolfe City for over 50 years. The man shot was truly a good person, and was also a lifelong resident of Wolfe City. The officer is very young, was scared and really did mess up. Very unfortunate for all involved.
He also said there is Hunt County deputies, Fannin County deputies, and three Texas Rangers in town. I expect with that level of peace officers, the peace will be kept. DPD did nothing wrong yet they looted, burned, and destroyed Dallas. That WCPD officer messed up big time. You don’t think this will explode? You really think a few deputies will handle a mob? It would be better for the deputies to handle it, than the citizens. This ain't Dallas county, or the city of Dallas... BP is completely correct. Look at every other city where things have blown up. People are bussed in to "protest." If the same amount of people turn up that showed up in Dallas - no way the small amount of rural deputies out there can handle that amount of people. Also - it's not like the town is 4 hours from anywhere. It's just a short drive from some of the largest population centers in the country.
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10/05/20 08:21 PM
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Ok,
I sure hope yall are wrong.
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10/05/20 08:25 PM
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There ain't much in Wolfe city to burn down. The people that live there, and the business owners that try to make a living there would disagree. You know what I am saying
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10/05/20 08:30 PM
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Ok,
I sure hope yall are wrong. This one scares me. Residents won’t back down from out of towners. It has a potential to be a massacre...of out of towners.
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10/05/20 08:33 PM
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It will take about 8 seconds to burn down that town
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10/05/20 08:39 PM
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Ok,
I sure hope yall are wrong. This one scares me. Residents won’t back down from out of towners. It has a potential to be a massacre...of out of towners. Cindy's family has about 30 members in wolfe city......they ugly mean and will put you in a hole.
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10/05/20 08:54 PM
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Ok,
I sure hope yall are wrong. This one scares me. Residents won’t back down from out of towners. It has a potential to be a massacre...of out of towners. Cindy's family has about 30 members in wolfe city......they ugly mean and will put you in a hole. ^^^Right
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10/05/20 08:54 PM
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Ok,
I sure hope yall are wrong. This one scares me. Residents won’t back down from out of towners. It has a potential to be a massacre...of out of towners. Cindy's family has about 30 members in wolfe city......they ugly mean and will put you in a hole.
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10/05/20 08:57 PM
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It will take about 8 seconds to burn down that town Nope. The first thing set on fire would be the start button. And then nothing else would be set on fire.
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10/05/20 09:03 PM
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It will take about 8 seconds to burn down that town Nope. The first thing set on fire would be the start button. And then nothing else would be set on fire. Give ‘em hell.
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10/05/20 09:05 PM
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Just went down a couple rabbit holes on Facebook and the concensus in the BLM world is Jonathan Price did not support BLM so they are all going to sit this one out. I think deep down they know they better keep their crap out of East Texas
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10/05/20 09:06 PM
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This is a post from that gentleman's Facebook a few months back
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10/05/20 09:11 PM
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No doubt. It was a gd tragedy. Even this one bothered me.
Giddy up.
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10/05/20 09:26 PM
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I see the ambulance-chasing,race-baiting Lee Merritt has ALREADY showed up. YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! can't stand that idiot . worse than Al Sharpton and Jesse. Alway there with his bag open for money, as are all the family. Sounds bad but it's all about the payout now . They will own Wolfe City and The cop will do life. I need to be more like Vernon
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10/05/20 09:35 PM
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Prayers for all involved. Very sad.
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10/05/20 10:11 PM
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Prayers for all involved. Very sad. Yelp same here, Bad bad deal all the way around.
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Ok,
I sure hope yall are wrong. This one scares me. Residents won’t back down from out of towners. It has a potential to be a massacre...of out of towners. Yep. Wouldn’t wanna be an out if towner out there. Surely . . . . SURELY they’re not that stupid.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Sig226fan is pretty connected there. He might give some news when appropriate. Yep, Vernon works for the school district or use to. I PM'd him before dove season and have not heard from him. He usually answers pretty quickly. Think nothing of it. He quit replying to people a few years ago. Probably living a solitary life, and that's his right. I am not thinking anything of it. I could text him but I am going to let him live his solitary life.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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The officer has been arrested.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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The officer has been arrested. Oh crap, here we go again.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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A Wolfe City police officer, who officials say shot and killed a 31-year-old Black man over the weekend, has been arrested. The Texas Rangers, who are investigating the incident, said the officer's actions were not "objectionably reasonable."
Shaun Lucas faces a murder charge. He was booked into the Hunt County jail Monday and transferred to another county. Lucas is being held in lieu of $1 million bond, according to jail records.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/06/20 04:28 AM
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That is not shocking. He [censored] up and probably understands that by now.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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That’s sad for everyone involved, a lot of lives messed up over what sounds to be a mistake made on the officers part. He’s innocent until proven guilty though so time will tell. I pray for them both,, I can’t for the life of me understand why anyone would want to be a cop now, they are all put pretty much in a no win situation whatever they do. Screw up and don’t shoot and you die, screw up and shoot to quick and you go to jail for life. God bless the good ones, I sures hell wouldn’t do it now.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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he “resisted in a non-threatening posture and began walking away.” WTF?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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he “resisted in a non-threatening posture and began walking away.” WTF? SMH, what an idiot....shot him in the back walking away??? Talk about adding fuel to the fire.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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If he worked for the city in a town that small then wouldn't the officer have known him?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Funny, try to find the race of a killer or robber or rapist in an article if they are black. You know the race of the cop by the 2nd word of the article.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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If he worked for the city in a town that small then wouldn't the officer have known him? You would think so, unless the officer was fairly new.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Read this excerpt and explain it to me.
"The officer tried to detain Price "who resisted in a non-threatening posture and began walking away," according to the Rangers' statement. Lucas then tased Price before shooting him with his service weapon, officials said."
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Read this excerpt and explain it to me.
"The officer tried to detain Price "who resisted in a non-threatening posture and began walking away," according to the Rangers' statement. Lucas then tased Price before shooting him with his service weapon, officials said." I think what they're saying is he possibly pulled away without making any threatening gestures toward the officer.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Read this excerpt and explain it to me.
"The officer tried to detain Price "who resisted in a non-threatening posture and began walking away," according to the Rangers' statement. Lucas then tased Price before shooting him with his service weapon, officials said." I think what they're saying is he possibly pulled away without making any threatening gestures toward the officer. Word is Price walked toward the officer upon his arrival, hands up, telling the officer he stopped the fight and was helping the woman. After that, who knows.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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I read another articular where the Dad showed up, and talked to the cop that shot him, and ask why did you shoot my son, and the cop said I will tell you later. I sure would like to get the full story,.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Arrested for murder, given a $1 million dollar bond and was out the next morning. $100K is a lot of money to come up with overnight for bail.
Also, thats a big ol boy. He is new to the force, Im guessing the WCPD does not have a physical fitness test or a weight limit? He looks like he is pushing 350 lbs. Not saying that as a derogatory statement, just suprised.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/06/20 06:15 PM
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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he “resisted in a non-threatening posture and began walking away.” WTF? SMH, what an idiot....shot him in the back walking away??? Talk about adding fuel to the fire. Damn, if that is true, WTF!!?!?!? Also, thats a big ol boy. He is new to the force, Im guessing the WCPD does not have a physical fitness test or a weight limit? He looks like he is pushing 350 lbs. If this is also true this is also sad.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Officer has attorney. Amber guyger attorney.
Not sure of her last name spelling
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Officer has attorney. Amber guyger attorney.
Not sure of her last name spelling To have her attorney there may be some money in his family. As far as the bond, is it up to the bondsman to accept whatever they wish as payment or security? I've heard of property being pledged. Your wife is an attorney. What is the deal on this?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Arrested for murder, given a $1 million dollar bond and was out the next morning. $100K is a lot of money to come up with overnight for bail.
Also, thats a big ol boy. He is new to the force, Im guessing the WCPD does not have a physical fitness test or a weight limit? He looks like he is pushing 350 lbs. Not saying that as a derogatory statement, just suprised. Not sure he posted bail. He was transferred to Hopkins County jail because he knew the workings of the Hunt County jail. That’s why it shows released from Hunt Countu
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Arrested for murder, given a $1 million dollar bond and was out the next morning. $100K is a lot of money to come up with overnight for bail.
Also, thats a big ol boy. He is new to the force, Im guessing the WCPD does not have a physical fitness test or a weight limit? He looks like he is pushing 350 lbs. Not saying that as a derogatory statement, just suprised. Not sure he posted bail. He was transferred to Hopkins County jail because he knew the workings of the Hunt County jail. That’s why it shows released from Hunt Countu News said he bonded.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Sad the poor man lost his life trying to help, strange thing is I don't believe this type stuff was happening until recently, I just don't remember any of my buddies shooting unarmed people, black or white. Maybe I'm just out-of-tough with the real world.....
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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I’ve said for years...
It should be a requirement that all LE are BJJ blue belts...minimum
Call me crazy but at least know what you’re talking about first
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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I’ve said for years...
It should be a requirement that all LE are BJJ blue belts...minimum
Call me crazy but at least know what you’re talking about first That puts the officers within striking distance if they have to have the mindset to to H2H combat first. I like where your head’s at but still
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I’ve said for years...
It should be a requirement that all LE are BJJ blue belts...minimum
Call me crazy but at least know what you’re talking about first I agree with you, however that would take them 2-3 years, training a minimum of 3 times a week.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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I’ve said for years...
It should be a requirement that all LE are BJJ blue belts...minimum
Call me crazy but at least know what you’re talking about first That puts the officers within striking distance if they have to have the mindset to to H2H combat first. I like where your head’s at but still Given the options, it’s the best I’ve come up with I’ll bet I can find a 125-135 lb BJJ blue belt male than can beat the snot out out 99 percent of LE. Actually, I know 1 he’s maybe 140 soaking wet. Nice guy I know how to fix that It’ll be better than what we have
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Sad the poor man lost his life trying to help, strange thing is I don't believe this type stuff was happening until recently, I just don't remember any of my buddies shooting unarmed people, black or white. Maybe I'm just out-of-tough with the real world..... the standards for employment have been cut across the board. Defunding IMO started years ago. I know here in dallas it seems they hire anyone that will apply. How many years now has dallas been saying theres no money for police.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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I’ve said for years...
It should be a requirement that all LE are BJJ blue belts...minimum
Call me crazy but at least know what you’re talking about first That puts the officers within striking distance if they have to have the mindset to to H2H combat first. I like where your head’s at but still Given the options, it’s the best I’ve come up with I’ll bet I can find a 125-135 lb BJJ blue belt male than can beat the snot out out 99 percent of LE. Actually, I know 1 he’s maybe 140 soaking wet. Nice guy I know how to fix that It’ll be better than what we have Suit up. Put on all of our gear and attempt to control somebody with just your hands while making sure they don’t take any of your weapons. If you’re not willing to do that, then shut up, you’re bumping your gums about something you know nothing about.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Arrested for murder, given a $1 million dollar bond and was out the next morning. $100K is a lot of money to come up with overnight for bail.
Also, thats a big ol boy. He is new to the force, Im guessing the WCPD does not have a physical fitness test or a weight limit? He looks like he is pushing 350 lbs. Not saying that as a derogatory statement, just suprised. Not sure he posted bail. He was transferred to Hopkins County jail because he knew the workings of the Hunt County jail. That’s why it shows released from Hunt Countu News said he bonded. You trust the news? Let me guess, CNN?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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I’ve said for years...
It should be a requirement that all LE are BJJ blue belts...minimum
Call me crazy but at least know what you’re talking about first That puts the officers within striking distance if they have to have the mindset to to H2H combat first. I like where your head’s at but still Given the options, it’s the best I’ve come up with I’ll bet I can find a 125-135 lb BJJ blue belt male than can beat the snot out out 99 percent of LE. Actually, I know 1 he’s maybe 140 soaking wet. Nice guy I know how to fix that It’ll be better than what we have Suit up. Put on all of our gear and attempt to control somebody with just your hands while making sure they don’t take any of your weapons. If you’re not willing to do that, then shut up, you’re bumping your gums about something you know nothing about. He's right you know.
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I’ve said for years...
It should be a requirement that all LE are BJJ blue belts...minimum
Call me crazy but at least know what you’re talking about first That puts the officers within striking distance if they have to have the mindset to to H2H combat first. I like where your head’s at but still Given the options, it’s the best I’ve come up with I’ll bet I can find a 125-135 lb BJJ blue belt male than can beat the snot out out 99 percent of LE. Actually, I know 1 he’s maybe 140 soaking wet. Nice guy I know how to fix that It’ll be better than what we have Suit up. Put on all of our gear and attempt to control somebody with just your hands while making sure they don’t take any of your weapons. If you’re not willing to do that, then shut up, you’re bumping your gums about something you know nothing about. Word
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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The cop is 22 years old? That is really young.
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I like it. When people spout off about my line of work, I don’t take it lightly. BP don’t either.
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The cop is 22 years old? That is really young. All I can say is that, looking back, I wouldn’t trust myself at that age to make the right decision in that position. Hell, I probably couldn’t trust myself now.
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$150 on the big pig, but make it quick, we need to get to main event!!
BIL VS Bigpig
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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$150 on the big pig, but make it quick, we need to get to main event!!
BIL VS Bigpig Not fair, he will just lay on my and restrict my breathing. He’s got an easy 100 pounds on me
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Arrested for murder, given a $1 million dollar bond and was out the next morning. $100K is a lot of money to come up with overnight for bail.
Also, thats a big ol boy. He is new to the force, Im guessing the WCPD does not have a physical fitness test or a weight limit? He looks like he is pushing 350 lbs. Not saying that as a derogatory statement, just suprised. Not sure he posted bail. He was transferred to Hopkins County jail because he knew the workings of the Hunt County jail. That’s why it shows released from Hunt Countu News said he bonded. You trust the news? Let me guess, CNN? That’s what I was thinking too. The news that I saw said that he was transferred to Rockwall county and was still here.
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Editor's Note: NBC 5 originally reported Lucas bonded out of jail, online jail records did not show a bond was paid, but Lucas was transferred to Rockwall County's jail. https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/p...n-wolfe-city-shooting-texas-dps/2455878/
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The cop is 22 years old? That is really young. Yep, he was a jailer in hunt county at the end of last year, passed the academy in March, and was hired by Wolfe city I. April. I’m betting that this comes down to a lack of training and a city the size of Wolfe City doesn’t have lots of money.
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$150 on the big pig, but make it quick, we need to get to main event!!
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Arrested for murder, given a $1 million dollar bond and was out the next morning. $100K is a lot of money to come up with overnight for bail.
Also, thats a big ol boy. He is new to the force, Im guessing the WCPD does not have a physical fitness test or a weight limit? He looks like he is pushing 350 lbs. Not saying that as a derogatory statement, just suprised. Not sure he posted bail. He was transferred to Hopkins County jail because he knew the workings of the Hunt County jail. That’s why it shows released from Hunt Countu News said he bonded. You trust the news? Let me guess, CNN? Never watched it. No need to be an AH.
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There’s plenty use-of-force experts around, that have never had an LEO job.
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There’s plenty use-of-force experts around, that have never had an LEO job. Well.let me.tell you how patton could have endd the battle of the bulge a few days quicker.
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Sad the poor man lost his life trying to help, strange thing is I don't believe this type stuff was happening until recently, I just don't remember any of my buddies shooting unarmed people, black or white. Maybe I'm just out-of-tough with the real world..... the standards for employment have been cut across the board. Defunding IMO started years ago. I know here in dallas it seems they hire anyone that will apply. How many years now has dallas been saying theres no money for police. My agency turns down 200 hundred applicants for every slot they fill. Please quit talking.
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Sad the poor man lost his life trying to help, strange thing is I don't believe this type stuff was happening until recently, I just don't remember any of my buddies shooting unarmed people, black or white. Maybe I'm just out-of-tough with the real world..... the standards for employment have been cut across the board. Defunding IMO started years ago. I know here in dallas it seems they hire anyone that will apply. How many years now has dallas been saying theres no money for police. My agency turns down 200 hundred applicants for every slot they fill. Please quit talking.
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I’ve said for years...
It should be a requirement that all LE are BJJ blue belts...minimum
Call me crazy but at least know what you’re talking about first That puts the officers within striking distance if they have to have the mindset to to H2H combat first. I like where your head’s at but still Given the options, it’s the best I’ve come up with I’ll bet I can find a 125-135 lb BJJ blue belt male than can beat the snot out out 99 percent of LE. Actually, I know 1 he’s maybe 140 soaking wet. Nice guy I know how to fix that It’ll be better than what we have There is a huge difference in fighting for your life and fighting in competition. If you haven't been there I can't explain it to you. Good gosh, everyone is a law enforcement expert.
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I'm going to assume the gas station has video. anyone know if the officer had a body cam?
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Highly highly doubt the veracity of his "claim." That completely contradicts the little bit of information the Texas Rangers have released.
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from the blaze...
On Monday, the Wolfe City Police Department announced Lucas's suspension. Shortly after the news, the Texas Rangers arrested the officer and charged him with murder in connection with Price's shooting death. Lucas was booked into the Hunt County Jail and held on $1 million bond. He bonded out that evening, according to KTVT-TV.
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What does it matter which jail he's in, posting bond or not? Is he going to skip the country? No.
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Highly highly doubt the veracity of his "claim." That completely contradicts the little bit of information the Texas Rangers have released. I agree, would like to see a video of what happened, he was probably convulsing on the ground, maybe tried to pull the tazer prong out or maybe that is what the cop thought. Who knows, but today is the first time we are hearing the other side of the story.
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The young man was 22 yo, starting a new career in LE doing a job that few people want. He made a terrible mistake and saw his future and that of the young man he shot change forever. I'm sure he'd choose differently if given the choice.
Not to downplay the seriousness of taking someones life but everyone makes mistakes. Until the facts come out in court it's silly playing armchair quarterback.
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Until the facts come out in court it's silly playing armchair quarterback. Hell, we ain't gonna wait that long!
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Sad the poor man lost his life trying to help, strange thing is I don't believe this type stuff was happening until recently, I just don't remember any of my buddies shooting unarmed people, black or white. Maybe I'm just out-of-tough with the real world..... the standards for employment have been cut across the board. Defunding IMO started years ago. I know here in dallas it seems they hire anyone that will apply. How many years now has dallas been saying theres no money for police. My agency turns down 200 hundred applicants for every slot they fill. Please quit talking. Yep , the standards to get in are harder and some of the new are softer including some of those coming out of the military. I’m sure cities the size of WC aren’t attracting tops candidates. I feel bad for both sides
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Texas Rangers have released the probable cause affidavit. It's on facebook. Kind of interesting.
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Sad the poor man lost his life trying to help, strange thing is I don't believe this type stuff was happening until recently, I just don't remember any of my buddies shooting unarmed people, black or white. Maybe I'm just out-of-tough with the real world..... the standards for employment have been cut across the board. Defunding IMO started years ago. I know here in dallas it seems they hire anyone that will apply. How many years now has dallas been saying theres no money for police. My agency turns down 200 hundred applicants for every slot they fill. Please quit talking. Yep , the standards to get in are harder and some of the new are softer including some of those coming out of the military. I’m sure cities the size of WC aren’t attracting tops candidates. I feel bad for both sides do most cities require a college degree?
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Huh, the Rangers even said in the PC that he grabbed for his Taser....if that's the case that is a whole other can of worms.
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do most cities require a college degree? Most? No, some do. College Degree doesn't make you a good Police Officer or Firefighter. And as far as when we get new guys I never ask, because I don't give a chit. I ask what they did for a living before getting hired on the FD. Some life experience, and some hard work goes much farther than any college degree. When a city is paying peanuts, they're going to get monkeys. A city that has competitive pay will draw a large pool of people. A city that is extremely low paid is going to have a much shorter list of candidates to pick from.
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Huh, the Rangers even said in the PC that he grabbed for his Taser....if that's the case that is a whole other can of worms. Texas rangers have been tooooooo political since the 70s
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do most cities require a college degree? Most? No, some do. College Degree doesn't make you a good Police Officer or Firefighter. maybe, but it does show a degree of commitment. weed out those who just want a paycheck. I would consider service in the military as an equivalent.
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Man anyone can get through college. For most it's just putting off going to work anymore
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Man anyone can get through college. For most it's just putting off going to work anymore if your only going for the minimum I'd agree. but, good luck getting a good job in the business world. even our low level salesman have to have a degree.
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Man anyone can get through college. For most it's just putting off going to work anymore So what's it say about somebody who can't?
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More info coming out. I want to see that body cam video.
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Man anyone can get through college. For most it's just putting off going to work anymore So what's it say about somebody who can't? If they cant they're stupid
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do most cities require a college degree? Most? No, some do. College Degree doesn't make you a good Police Officer or Firefighter. And as far as when we get new guys I never ask, because I don't give a chit. I ask what they did for a living before getting hired on the FD. Some life experience, and some hard work goes much farther than any college degree. When a city is paying peanuts, they're going to get monkeys. A city that has competitive pay will draw a large pool of people. A city that is extremely low paid is going to have a much shorter list of candidates to pick from. Surely there are “officers” who desire and choose to work for small town departments. In the education field many teachers chose to go to bigger districts to get more money. Many chose to go to small districts which pay “peanuts.” There are some extremely qualified teachers who chose to work in small districts for smaller paychecks/peanuts. I am not seeing the connection between amount of pay and the quality of applicants/monkeys. In most instances, all things equal, the person with the college degree will get a better shot at the job than “life experiences and hard work.” I am sure there are some fields that may not run true in this scenario, but few.
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Man anyone can get through college. For most it's just putting off going to work anymore So what's it say about somebody who can't? They did not want to.
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do most cities require a college degree? Most? No, some do. College Degree doesn't make you a good Police Officer or Firefighter. And as far as when we get new guys I never ask, because I don't give a chit. I ask what they did for a living before getting hired on the FD. Some life experience, and some hard work goes much farther than any college degree. When a city is paying peanuts, they're going to get monkeys. A city that has competitive pay will draw a large pool of people. A city that is extremely low paid is going to have a much shorter list of candidates to pick from. Surely there are “officers” who desire and choose to work for small town departments. In the education field many teachers chose to go to bigger districts to get more money. Many chose to go to small districts which pay “peanuts.” There are some extremely qualified teachers who chose to work in small districts for smaller paychecks/peanuts. I am not seeing the connection between amount of pay and the quality of applicants/monkeys. In most instances, all things equal, the person with the college degree will get a better shot at the job than “life experiences and hard work.” I am sure there are some fields that may not run true in this scenario, but few. Some cities require a degree. Some may give extra points on the written exam. So do not give extra points on the written exam. I'm not saying the Wolfe City officer was an idiot. I'm just telling yall what "can" happen. Good guys in low paying departments often leave pretty early for a higher paying department. Some want to stay where they are. Some cannot get hired anywhere else.
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Man anyone can get through college. For most it's just putting off going to work anymore I don’t think this is accurate factually. Many jobs require a degree to even be considered. I have employed many “aides” who had tons of experience and were extremely hard workers. Some actually had a gift with students. However, they did not have the degree, hence could only be an aide and only be paid an aide’s salary. For most, I believe it is a step through the door of bigger possibilities. Formal education is what you put behind it, but it certainly opens doors not available to many.
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Interesting read from the Rangers.
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do most cities require a college degree? Most? No, some do. College Degree doesn't make you a good Police Officer or Firefighter. And as far as when we get new guys I never ask, because I don't give a chit. I ask what they did for a living before getting hired on the FD. Some life experience, and some hard work goes much farther than any college degree. When a city is paying peanuts, they're going to get monkeys. A city that has competitive pay will draw a large pool of people. A city that is extremely low paid is going to have a much shorter list of candidates to pick from. Surely there are “officers” who desire and choose to work for small town departments. In the education field many teachers chose to go to bigger districts to get more money. Many chose to go to small districts which pay “peanuts.” There are some extremely qualified teachers who chose to work in small districts for smaller paychecks/peanuts. I am not seeing the connection between amount of pay and the quality of applicants/monkeys. In most instances, all things equal, the person with the college degree will get a better shot at the job than “life experiences and hard work.” I am sure there are some fields that may not run true in this scenario, but few. Some cities require a degree. Some may give extra points on the written exam. So do not give extra points on the written exam. I'm not saying the Wolfe City officer was an idiot. I'm just telling yall what "can" happen. Good guys in low paying departments often leave pretty early for a higher paying department. Some want to stay where they are. Some cannot get hired anywhere else. Yes I believe you are telling what “can happen.” I believe the real issue is becoming clearer and clearer. The world did not just wake up this year and decide it was “hate the police” year. But that’s a whole different thread.
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I can't be detained? well, yes you can. interesting. Trying to shake the leo's hand was dumb.
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Well Laura is stupid ..... Like I said..
. Rangers today are too politically motivated
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seems to me they arrested the cop far too early if this is true.
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What you have IMHO. Is what was probably a super nice popular guy in a small town. Who did the right thing is breaking up a domestic dispute. Rookie cop rolls up doesn't know what's going on. Nice guy is larger than life in wc and ain't gonna listen to a rookie cop.
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I can't be detained? well, yes you can. interesting. Trying to shake the leo's hand was dumb. "I can't be detained" was dumb, agreed. Maybe he had somewhere to be, football practice or something. What's wrong with shaking a LEO's hand? I've done it many times. Even after one drew his weapon on me, he didn't know if I was a good guy or a bad guy at first.
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I can't be detained? well, yes you can. interesting. Trying to shake the leo's hand was dumb. "I can't be detained" was dumb, agreed. Maybe he had somewhere to be, football practice or something. What's wrong with shaking a LEO's hand? I've done it many times. Even after one drew his weapon on me, he didn't know if I was a good guy or bad guy at first. After the fact is one thing, while your still a suspect, not a chance. good way to get hurt.
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I can't be detained? well, yes you can. interesting. Trying to shake the leo's hand was dumb. "I can't be detained" was dumb, agreed. Maybe he had somewhere to be, football practice or something. What's wrong with shaking a LEO's hand? I've done it many times. Even after one drew his weapon on me, he didn't know if I was a good guy or bad guy at first. After the fact is one thing, while your still a suspect, not a chance. good way to get hurt. True, I agree.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Man anyone can get through college. For most it's just putting off going to work anymore Spoken like someone without a degree Yeah......2 Then I guess you are right...any idiot can get through
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Interesting read from the Rangers. Hmmm this sound airily similar to the eerily similar to the incident that happened with the drunk driver in the fast food drive through not to long ago.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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I was sent this link over on DFWmustangs page. I am new, not here to argue, just offer insight. I grew up in Wolfe City, Jonathan was a few years younger than me. I didn't kniw him, but most everyone I know did. I did know of him, and the way that he was.
I'm sure there is some truth in the earlier larger than life statement. When I first read the affadavit, I understood that Jonathan approached the officer before anything happened. So I took that as him trying to de-escalate the situation, and I'm going to assume, by the officer immediately thinking he was intoxicated, the officer never made an attempt to de-escalate or even try to sort out what had happened. He was a rookie cop, in a tiny town, trying to make a name for himself. Numerous reports of him pulling people over for no reason and generally abusing his power.
I doubt WC has ever had much of a fitness requirement for officers, many of the ones who worked there, when I was living there were over weight, nd reports of abuse of power were frequent. I would assume the decision to hire him was based a lot on his tenure at the County Jail as a jailer
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Here is the post I made there, after reading the affadavit and intejecting some of my experience and knowledge of the parking lot and landscape The Texas Rangers sworn affadavit is circulating online now. It reads similarly, though somewhat contradictory to early eye witness accounts.
Knowing that parking lot, and the area I would guess that it happened in, it has a pretty steep slope. This is all conjecture, but how I see tbis playing out.
Jonathan breaks up the domestic dispute and the couple leaves. (Many people have said they were gone before the cop showed up)
Cop shows up and Jonathan approaches him, knowing why he was there, to fill him in on what has happened, apologizes for the broken glass that someone had tried to wrap him up (I would assume in the midst of the domestic dispute). Approaches him, greeting him, trying to shake his hand (confirmed in TxR report via body cam footage) attempting to de-escalate the situation, officer refuses the greeting and tells Jonathan he is being detained for for suspiscion of intoxication. I would also assume that the officer made no attempt at de-escalation and went right to accusation and use of force.
He attempts to detain Jonathan by grabbing his arm and using verbal commands.
I'm going to make the conjecture
--that this is where Jonathan starts walking away, most likely tossing his hands up in disbelief. (This would align with eye witness accounts that he was walking away with his hands up) the cop deploys his tazer while Jonathan is walking away. Jonathan not believing he has deployed his tazer continues to try and walk away and gets tazed. (The Texas Rangers affadavit is muddle and contradictory here. It states Jonathan is walking away, and in the next sentence or two states that Jonathan continues to come towards the cop) --
Interjection: this is where my knowledge of the landscape comes into play. The gas station is on one side of the street, and the VFD is immediately across the street. The most probable place for thsi to have happened was between the front door of the convenience store and the gas pumps. That is where people typically linger. Parking is generally in front of the store, from the corner opposite the gas pumps, to the front door. The most open area is from the front door to the gas pumps. In this area, the driveway/parking lot has a slope to it. It flattens some, but mostly as it approaches the gas pumps, so, if this happened in the area I am making the assumption it did, Jonathan would have most likely been walking up hill.
Cop deploys the tazer while Jonathan is walking away, uphill. It is stated that the taser was not comoletely effective. Though, I'm going to imoly it was effective enough to cause what happened next.
Jonathan, after being tased, either turns of his own power, or due to the jolt of the taser. When doing so, due to the effects of the taser, loses his balance and falls towards the officer. (The affadavit states that Jonathan comes back to the officer attempting to take the taser from him, resulting in the officer shooting)
The inexperienced officer, who many have asserted has been on a power trip since signing on with WCPD, deploys his gun and fires 4 shots.
The affadavit does not specify how many times Jonathan was hit only that he fired 4 times striking Jonathan in the upper torso. The Family has maintained from the beginning that ge was struck 3 times.
Again, this is 100% cinjecture on my part, I was not there, and have seen no video footage. I am basing this on my understanding of the following:
The layout of the parking lot
The typical area(s) people congregate in on the parking lot
My understanding of the character of both Jonathan and the cop from residents of WC who have had interactions with both of them
The sworn affadavit for a warrant request for the Murder charge.
The affadavit states that officer responded at about 8:27 PM. Hunt County Thedt Reports FB page shows the first edit to their first post regarding the scanner traffic at 8:47 PM. This may be the original post time, or the edit time. The post shows bullet points of WCPD and HCSO on scene for shots fired and also states HCSO is requesting back up for crowd in teh streets. One can only assume, based on what transpired, that the entire ordeal took place with the single responding officer. I have heard reports about a superior being there when it happened, or responded before Jonathan was shot, though I have not been able to confirm that. WC is 15 minutes from any close town, or what could be considered a HCSO post. Unless they were already en-route from the original call, I would have to make the assumption that the closest deputy would have been 5 minutes or more away most likely closer to 10-12 if responding to a code.
So, responded at 8:27 scanner page traffic at 8:47 shows HCSO on scene and EMS en route. So the time line for events would be, and I'm just guessing, 8-12 minutes.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Here is the post I made there, after reading the affadavit and intejecting some of my experience and knowledge of the parking lot and landscape The Texas Rangers sworn affadavit is circulating online now. It reads similarly, though somewhat contradictory to early eye witness accounts.
Knowing that parking lot, and the area I would guess that it happened in, it has a pretty steep slope. This is all conjecture, but how I see tbis playing out.
Jonathan breaks up the domestic dispute and the couple leaves. (Many people have said they were gone before the cop showed up)
Cop shows up and Jonathan approaches him, knowing why he was there, to fill him in on what has happened, apologizes for the broken glass that someone had tried to wrap him up (I would assume in the midst of the domestic dispute). Approaches him, greeting him, trying to shake his hand (confirmed in TxR report via body cam footage) attempting to de-escalate the situation, officer refuses the greeting and tells Jonathan he is being detained for for suspiscion of intoxication. I would also assume that the officer made no attempt at de-escalation and went right to accusation and use of force.
He attempts to detain Jonathan by grabbing his arm and using verbal commands.
I'm going to make the conjecture
--that this is where Jonathan starts walking away, most likely tossing his hands up in disbelief. (This would align with eye witness accounts that he was walking away with his hands up) the cop deploys his tazer while Jonathan is walking away. Jonathan not believing he has deployed his tazer continues to try and walk away and gets tazed. (The Texas Rangers affadavit is muddle and contradictory here. It states Jonathan is walking away, and in the next sentence or two states that Jonathan continues to come towards the cop) --
Interjection: this is where my knowledge of the landscape comes into play. The gas station is on one side of the street, and the VFD is immediately across the street. The most probable place for thsi to have happened was between the front door of the convenience store and the gas pumps. That is where people typically linger. Parking is generally in front of the store, from the corner opposite the gas pumps, to the front door. The most open area is from the front door to the gas pumps. In this area, the driveway/parking lot has a slope to it. It flattens some, but mostly as it approaches the gas pumps, so, if this happened in the area I am making the assumption it did, Jonathan would have most likely been walking up hill.
Cop deploys the tazer while Jonathan is walking away, uphill. It is stated that the taser was not comoletely effective. Though, I'm going to imoly it was effective enough to cause what happened next.
Jonathan, after being tased, either turns of his own power, or due to the jolt of the taser. When doing so, due to the effects of the taser, loses his balance and falls towards the officer. (The affadavit states that Jonathan comes back to the officer attempting to take the taser from him, resulting in the officer shooting)
The inexperienced officer, who many have asserted has been on a power trip since signing on with WCPD, deploys his gun and fires 4 shots.
The affadavit does not specify how many times Jonathan was hit only that he fired 4 times striking Jonathan in the upper torso. The Family has maintained from the beginning that ge was struck 3 times.
Again, this is 100% cinjecture on my part, I was not there, and have seen no video footage. I am basing this on my understanding of the following:
The layout of the parking lot
The typical area(s) people congregate in on the parking lot
My understanding of the character of both Jonathan and the cop from residents of WC who have had interactions with both of them
The sworn affadavit for a warrant request for the Murder charge.
The affadavit states that officer responded at about 8:27 PM. Hunt County Thedt Reports FB page shows the first edit to their first post regarding the scanner traffic at 8:47 PM. This may be the original post time, or the edit time. The post shows bullet points of WCPD and HCSO on scene for shots fired and also states HCSO is requesting back up for crowd in teh streets. One can only assume, based on what transpired, that the entire ordeal took place with the single responding officer. I have heard reports about a superior being there when it happened, or responded before Jonathan was shot, though I have not been able to confirm that. WC is 15 minutes from any close town, or what could be considered a HCSO post. Unless they were already en-route from the original call, I would have to make the assumption that the closest deputy would have been 5 minutes or more away most likely closer to 10-12 if responding to a code.
So, responded at 8:27 scanner page traffic at 8:47 shows HCSO on scene and EMS en route. So the time line for events would be, and I'm just guessing, 8-12 minutes.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/07/20 09:41 PM
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“Price failed to comply and began to walk away”
“While being tased, Price continued to walk toward Officer Lucas“
These 2 statements seem to contradict each other......
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/07/20 09:45 PM
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/07/20 09:57 PM
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I don't care WHO you are or WHAT just happened. New Cop, old Cop, Rookie, Veteran, black, white, yellow If ANY Police Officer asks YOU to do something DO IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This would stop about all of this chit.. DAMMMMM DO WHAT THE COP ASKS YOU TO DO, chances are you will not end up dead DDDAAAMMMIIITTTTTT tired of all this crap
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Sounds like it shouldnt have happened, BUT, its yet another instance where if the person would have followed the lawful order of the officer then nothing would have happened. Dont resist. Having said that, even if he did try to walk away and not follow orders, and even if he did get tased and reached for the taser, is that enough cause for the officer to fear for his life and shoot the guy four times? In my opinion its not but I dont know what the actual law is on that point.
Im sure they are doing an autopsy, if it turns out that Price WAS intoxicated would that sway your thoughts on any of this at all?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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I don't care WHO you are or WHAT just happened. New Cop, old Cop, Rookie, Veteran, black, white, yellow If ANY Police Officer asks YOU to do something DO IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This would stop about all of this chit.. DAMMMMM DO WHAT THE COP ASKS YOU TO DO, chances are you will not end up dead DDDAAAMMMIIITTTTTT tired of all this crap THIS! If you think the LEO is wrong, hire an attorney, ask for a jury trial and let the justice system do what it was designed to do.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Why will they not release the body cam video?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/07/20 10:23 PM
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It has only been 3 days since the incident, I'm sure it, or the convenience store footage if any exists, will be released or leaked eventually
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Sounds like it shouldnt have happened, BUT, its yet another instance where if the person would have followed the lawful order of the officer then nothing would have happened. Dont resist. Yep.
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Sounds like it shouldnt have happened, BUT, its yet another instance where if the person would have followed the lawful order of the officer then nothing would have happened. Dont resist. Yep. My thoughts exactly. Common denominator in just about every one of these cases.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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wouldnt be the first time drunk got some one killed. Being captain save a hoe has never worked out either
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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wouldnt be the first time drunk got some one killed. Do you really think he was drunk?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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Just spoke with a friend of mine that has lived in Wolfe City for over 50 years. The man shot was truly a good person, and was also a lifelong resident of Wolfe City. The officer is very young, was scared and really did mess up. Very unfortunate for all involved.
He also said there is Hunt County deputies, Fannin County deputies, and three Texas Rangers in town. I expect with that level of peace officers, the peace will be kept. DPD did nothing wrong yet they looted, burned, and destroyed Dallas. That WCPD officer messed up big time. You don’t think this will explode? You really think a few deputies will handle a mob? It would be better for the deputies to handle it, than the citizens. This ain't Dallas county, or the city of Dallas...
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/07/20 11:52 PM
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I’m beginning to think some took the news bait
Again two lives are messed up from this. Sometimes bad things happen to nice people
As always wait for more facts
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There have been some random claims of the officer arresting someone under the pretense that they were i toxicated, yet they were in fact sober. This has been mixed in with other reports from citizens of traffic stops that weren't warranted, following people for several miles before pulling them over for no real violation, etc. They could all be exaggerated now that this has happened, though.
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Just saw a pic of the officer. I've never seen a forehead that big.
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I’m beginning to think some took the news bait
Again two lives are messed up from this. Sometimes bad things happen to nice people
As always wait for more facts I’ve learned the hard way that this is the best route to take.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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I’m beginning to think some took the news bait
Again two lives are messed up from this. Sometimes bad things happen to nice people
As always wait for more facts I agree 100% on waiting for all the facts, I just wonder what the officer thought he was seeing to shoot the guy, there has to be more to this story. We may get more of an idea when we hear what the officer has to say. If the officer believed the guy was coming at him with a weapon or that Price was trying to take the officer's gun, then the situation will start to change in my mind.....either way sounds like a good person lost his life and nothing will change that for his family, I just hope they don't allow some ambulance chasing pot stirrer to represent them.
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I’m beginning to think some took the news bait
Again two lives are messed up from this. Sometimes bad things happen to nice people
As always wait for more facts I agree 100% on waiting for all the facts, I just wonder what the officer thought he was seeing to shoot the guy, there has to be more to this story. We may get more of an idea when we hear what the officer has to say. If the officer believed the guy was coming at him with a weapon or that Price was trying to take the officer's gun, then the situation will start to change in my mind.....either way sounds like a good person lost his life and nothing will change that for his family, I just hope they don't allow some ambulance chasing pot stirrer to represent them. The officers attorney released a statement on his behalf. Officer stated that Price attempted to take his Taser, so he acted within accordance of the law.
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I’m beginning to think some took the news bait
Again two lives are messed up from this. Sometimes bad things happen to nice people
As always wait for more facts I agree 100% on waiting for all the facts, I just wonder what the officer thought he was seeing to shoot the guy, there has to be more to this story. We may get more of an idea when we hear what the officer has to say. If the officer believed the guy was coming at him with a weapon or that Price was trying to take the officer's gun, then the situation will start to change in my mind.....either way sounds like a good person lost his life and nothing will change that for his family, I just hope they don't allow some ambulance chasing pot stirrer to represent them. The officers attorney released a statement on his behalf. Officer stated that Price attempted to take his Taser, so he acted within accordance of the law. so given all this info, why was he arrested immediately? it makes zero sense unless the city was just trying to avoid a riot.
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I’m beginning to think some took the news bait
Again two lives are messed up from this. Sometimes bad things happen to nice people
As always wait for more facts I agree 100% on waiting for all the facts, I just wonder what the officer thought he was seeing to shoot the guy, there has to be more to this story. We may get more of an idea when we hear what the officer has to say. If the officer believed the guy was coming at him with a weapon or that Price was trying to take the officer's gun, then the situation will start to change in my mind.....either way sounds like a good person lost his life and nothing will change that for his family, I just hope they don't allow some ambulance chasing pot stirrer to represent them. The officers attorney released a statement on his behalf. Officer stated that Price attempted to take his Taser, so he acted within accordance of the law. Thank you, I just knew there had to be some threat for the officer to respond with lethal force.
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I’m beginning to think some took the news bait
Again two lives are messed up from this. Sometimes bad things happen to nice people
As always wait for more facts I agree 100% on waiting for all the facts, I just wonder what the officer thought he was seeing to shoot the guy, there has to be more to this story. We may get more of an idea when we hear what the officer has to say. If the officer believed the guy was coming at him with a weapon or that Price was trying to take the officer's gun, then the situation will start to change in my mind.....either way sounds like a good person lost his life and nothing will change that for his family, I just hope they don't allow some ambulance chasing pot stirrer to represent them. This is why I haven't commented on this until now. It was hard for me to imagine this being as cut and dried as it appeared at first. I couldn't help but think there has to be more to this story that hasn't been released yet. I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but being fresh out of the academy I can imagine how the officer may have reacted when the guy tried to shake his hand. We all remember how it was constantly drilled in our heads in the academy that you don't shake hands with people at calls for officer safety reasons. I could easily see the guy getting pissed if the officer declined to shake his hand and it could have gone south really quickly after that. I've seen officers, especially new ones, who weren't very diplomatic when explaining the whole hand shaking thing and people can get really pissed about that. In the end, it may have actually been a bad shoot but I would like to see the body cam video to see what the officer saw/heard. A large part of the determination as to whether he was justified or not will hinge on that point. Part of me thinks if the Rangers saw a crime he's probably toast. However, I can also see a scenario in which the Ranger didn't think she could prove a criminal case but the DA told her they could and advised her to arrest him and send the case. Right now I have no idea which way this one went.
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I’m beginning to think some took the news bait
Again two lives are messed up from this. Sometimes bad things happen to nice people
As always wait for more facts I agree 100% on waiting for all the facts, I just wonder what the officer thought he was seeing to shoot the guy, there has to be more to this story. We may get more of an idea when we hear what the officer has to say. If the officer believed the guy was coming at him with a weapon or that Price was trying to take the officer's gun, then the situation will start to change in my mind.....either way sounds like a good person lost his life and nothing will change that for his family, I just hope they don't allow some ambulance chasing pot stirrer to represent them. The officers attorney released a statement on his behalf. Officer stated that Price attempted to take his Taser, so he acted within accordance of the law. so given all this info, why was he arrested immediately? it makes zero sense unless the city was just trying to avoid a riot. This is 2020, I believe many leaders are reacting in an attempt to stop exacting what you are stating. I don't like the fact that law enforcement is taking such immediate actions against one of their own, but in the end law enforcement usually does as instructed by the folks who run the state and local government, they really have no choice if they desire to remain employed.
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I’m beginning to think some took the news bait
Again two lives are messed up from this. Sometimes bad things happen to nice people
As always wait for more facts I agree 100% on waiting for all the facts, I just wonder what the officer thought he was seeing to shoot the guy, there has to be more to this story. We may get more of an idea when we hear what the officer has to say. If the officer believed the guy was coming at him with a weapon or that Price was trying to take the officer's gun, then the situation will start to change in my mind.....either way sounds like a good person lost his life and nothing will change that for his family, I just hope they don't allow some ambulance chasing pot stirrer to represent them. This is why I haven't commented on this until now. It was hard for me to imagine this being as cut and dried as it appeared at first. I couldn't help but think there has to be more to this story that hasn't been released yet. I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but being fresh out of the academy I can imagine how the officer may have reacted when the guy tried to shake his hand. We all remember how it was constantly drilled in our heads in the academy that you don't shake hands with people at calls for officer safety reasons. I could easily see the guy getting pissed if the officer declined to shake his hand and it could have gone south really quickly after that. I've seen officers, especially new ones, who weren't very diplomatic when explaining the whole hand shaking thing and people can get really pissed about that. In the end, it may have actually been a bad shoot but I would like to see the body cam video to see what the officer saw/heard. A large part of the determination as to whether he was justified or not will hinge on that point. Part of me thinks if the Rangers saw a crime he's probably toast. However, I can also see a scenario in which the Ranger didn't think she could prove a criminal case but the DA told her they could and advised her to arrest him and send the case. Right now I have no idea which way this one went. Very Well Stated.
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When is a taser usually deployed?
If he was in the wrong in deploying taser (if being the key word that's why I asked) if that caused the suspect to react or fall towards the tazer perceiving a threat by the officer. Who caused the shooting? The officer or the suspect?
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I completely understand why an officer should not shake hands. Completely. That isn't always shared by guys with their perceptions "altered" by alcohol or other intoxicants. Have personally seen people "taken down" for their actions involved with the perceived insult of an officer not accepting a hand shake, In each instance, they would not have gone to the jail without their inappropriate and over zealous reaction to the perceived "slight".
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I'd like to make a comment about the hand shaking thing. First, I'm not a LEO or an attorney. Never have been and never have pretended to be. Now, all that being said.....
I saw a training film that was produced for LEOs. The instructor had an assistant put on a padded head gear. The instructor offered a hand shake and the assistant accepted the gesture. The instructor suddenly tightened his grip on the assistant and decked him with a left hay maker. The instructor turned to the camera and said "THAT'S why you don't shake hands with ANYBODY at a call!"
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I’m beginning to think some took the news bait
Again two lives are messed up from this. Sometimes bad things happen to nice people
As always wait for more facts I agree 100% on waiting for all the facts, I just wonder what the officer thought he was seeing to shoot the guy, there has to be more to this story. We may get more of an idea when we hear what the officer has to say. If the officer believed the guy was coming at him with a weapon or that Price was trying to take the officer's gun, then the situation will start to change in my mind.....either way sounds like a good person lost his life and nothing will change that for his family, I just hope they don't allow some ambulance chasing pot stirrer to represent them. This is why I haven't commented on this until now. It was hard for me to imagine this being as cut and dried as it appeared at first. I couldn't help but think there has to be more to this story that hasn't been released yet. I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but being fresh out of the academy I can imagine how the officer may have reacted when the guy tried to shake his hand. We all remember how it was constantly drilled in our heads in the academy that you don't shake hands with people at calls for officer safety reasons. I could easily see the guy getting pissed if the officer declined to shake his hand and it could have gone south really quickly after that. I've seen officers, especially new ones, who weren't very diplomatic when explaining the whole hand shaking thing and people can get really pissed about that. In the end, it may have actually been a bad shoot but I would like to see the body cam video to see what the officer saw/heard. A large part of the determination as to whether he was justified or not will hinge on that point. Part of me thinks if the Rangers saw a crime he's probably toast. However, I can also see a scenario in which the Ranger didn't think she could prove a criminal case but the DA told her they could and advised her to arrest him and send the case. Right now I have no idea which way this one went. Very Well Stated. Yes it was. I won’t take a side until I see the tape. The WHOLE tape as well... not some little teaser to get everyone all stirred up.
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Question for LEO
When is a taser usually deployed?
If he was in the wrong in deploying taser (if being the key word that's why I asked) if that caused the suspect to react or fall towards the tazer perceiving a threat by the officer. Who caused the shooting? The officer or the suspect? When it falls within the force continuum guidelines of that department.
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I'd like to make a comment about the hand shaking thing. First, I'm not a LEO or an attorney. Never have been and never have pretended to be. Now, all that being said.....
I saw a training film that was produced for LEOs. The instructor had an assistant put on a padded head gear. The instructor offered a hand shake and the assistant accepted the gesture. The instructor suddenly tightened his grip on the assistant and decked him with a left hay maker. The instructor turned to the camera and said "THAT'S why you don't shake hands with ANYBODY at a call!" Yes, and that doesn't even take into consideration the weapons on the officer's belt that can be grabbed. The principle of not shaking hands in that scenario is solid, but we can mitigate the reaction with a little tact. I've always told younger officers it's perfectly fine to explain why we are not supposed to shake hands and to tell them we would normally have no problem shaking hands with them. People tend to understand that versus just pulling your hand back and telling them you don't shake hands. That just tends to start the contact off on a negative note, especially for folks who were raised like most of us being taught that shaking hands is just what you do when you start a contact with another person. Again, I'm not saying this had anything to do with this incident, just an observation from a lot of years dealing with people.
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When is a taser usually deployed?
I will answer your question for you. A taser is usually deployed when you have a subject that is failing to comply with your orders. For example, “Put your hands behind you back”. It is a compliance tool.
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When is a taser usually deployed?
I will answer your question for you. A taser is usually deployed when you have a subject that is failing to comply with your orders. For example, “Put your hands behind you back”. It is a compliance tool. That’s a pretty low standard for using a Taser
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When is a taser usually deployed?
I will answer your question for you. A taser is usually deployed when you have a subject that is failing to comply with your orders. For example, “Put your hands behind you back”. It is a compliance tool. That’s a pretty low standard for using a Taser I didn’t say it was standard to deploy a taser. I am not sure where you read that at. He asked when is it usually deployed. Compliance, especially when you are trying to effect an arrest.
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I'd like to make a comment about the hand shaking thing. First, I'm not a LEO or an attorney. Never have been and never have pretended to be. Now, all that being said.....
I saw a training film that was produced for LEOs. The instructor had an assistant put on a padded head gear. The instructor offered a hand shake and the assistant accepted the gesture. The instructor suddenly tightened his grip on the assistant and decked him with a left hay maker. The instructor turned to the camera and said "THAT'S why you don't shake hands with ANYBODY at a call!" Yes, and that doesn't even take into consideration the weapons on the officer's belt that can be grabbed. The principle of not shaking hands in that scenario is solid, but we can mitigate the reaction with a little tact. I've always told younger officers it's perfectly fine to explain why we are not supposed to shake hands and to tell them we would normally have no problem shaking hands with them. People tend to understand that versus just pulling your hand back and telling them you don't shake hands. That just tends to start the contact off on a negative note, especially for folks who were raised like most of us being taught that shaking hands is just what you do when you start a contact with another person. Again, I'm not saying this had anything to do with this incident, just an observation from a lot of years dealing with people. This seems like a reasonable explanation for what happened. Young officer told not to shake hands, pulls up on possible fight in progress and is met by Good Samaritan who broke up said fight and is well known in the town. Good Samaritan feels good about breaking up fight, tries to speak with officer - maybe because of all that’s going on in the country regarding police, right or wrong - and officer doesn’t know who is who or what’s going on, but remembers to never shake hands with possible suspect. Just a bad situation all the way around.
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
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When is a taser usually deployed?
I will answer your question for you. A taser is usually deployed when you have a subject that is failing to comply with your orders. For example, “Put your hands behind you back”. It is a compliance tool. That’s a pretty low standard for using a Taser I didn’t say it was standard to deploy a taser. I am not sure where you read that at. He asked when is it usually deployed. Compliance, especially when you are trying to effect an arrest. I’m gonna take BigPig’s stance on this. “I will answer this question for you” pretty much implies a standard when answering “when is a taser USUALLY deployed?”
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
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When is a taser usually deployed?
I will answer your question for you. A taser is usually deployed when you have a subject that is failing to comply with your orders. For example, “Put your hands behind you back”. It is a compliance tool. That’s a pretty low standard for using a Taser I didn’t say it was standard to deploy a taser. I am not sure where you read that at. He asked when is it usually deployed. Compliance, especially when you are trying to effect an arrest. Ok. So you are going to use the “deployed” taser as a compliance tool without the justification of actually using the taser. That’s like pulling your gun on a subject that says he won’t give you his ID, he will call your bluff and you will look stupid. If you pull your taser on a guy that isn’t complying, but isn’t being aggressive or passive aggressive, then you are hoping he cages to the bluff. What if he doesn’t?
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I'd like to make a comment about the hand shaking thing. First, I'm not a LEO or an attorney. Never have been and never have pretended to be. Now, all that being said.....
I saw a training film that was produced for LEOs. The instructor had an assistant put on a padded head gear. The instructor offered a hand shake and the assistant accepted the gesture. The instructor suddenly tightened his grip on the assistant and decked him with a left hay maker. The instructor turned to the camera and said "THAT'S why you don't shake hands with ANYBODY at a call!" Yes, and that doesn't even take into consideration the weapons on the officer's belt that can be grabbed. The principle of not shaking hands in that scenario is solid, but we can mitigate the reaction with a little tact. I've always told younger officers it's perfectly fine to explain why we are not supposed to shake hands and to tell them we would normally have no problem shaking hands with them. People tend to understand that versus just pulling your hand back and telling them you don't shake hands. That just tends to start the contact off on a negative note, especially for folks who were raised like most of us being taught that shaking hands is just what you do when you start a contact with another person. Again, I'm not saying this had anything to do with this incident, just an observation from a lot of years dealing with people. This seems like a reasonable explanation for what happened. Young officer told not to shake hands, pulls up on possible fight in progress and is met by Good Samaritan who broke up said fight and is well known in the town. Good Samaritan feels good about breaking up fight, tries to speak with officer - maybe because of all that’s going on in the country regarding police, right or wrong - and officer doesn’t know who is who or what’s going on, but remembers to never shake hands with possible suspect. Just a bad situation all the way around. That is spot on. Very bad deal all the way around
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So you are a LEO and you have a noncompliant person....you have three choices to gain control of the person.
1. Go hands on and try to overpower them 2. Use the tazer to gain compliance 3. Use your service weapons to gain compliance/end threat
What would you do?
I believe in science and I’m an insufferable [censored] Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
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So you are a LEO and you have a noncompliant person....you have three choices to gain control of the person.
1. Go hands on and try to overpower them 2. Use the tazer to gain compliance 3. Use your service weapons to gain compliance/end threat
What would you do? “Gain control.” Per the Rangers, he walked up to shake his hand. Until video comes out (and even then, there will probably be ambiguity), we don’t know if there was a need to “gain control.” It sounds like, per the report, the fight was over, the couple involved in the domestic dispute either left or dispersed, and the good samaritan walked up to try to welcome the officer. There was no situation to gain control of, if that’s the case. Both parties could have done things differently, if that’s how it played out. But I don’t know if “gain control” of a fight that happened before the officer showed up is the right way to try to arm chair QB this. What was he gaining control of if the guy who broke the fight up was in a position to walk up and try to shake the officer’s hand?
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Very sad situation all the way around.
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So you are a LEO and you have a noncompliant person....you have three choices to gain control of the person.
1. Go hands on and try to overpower them 2. Use the tazer to gain compliance 3. Use your service weapons to gain compliance/end threat
What would you do? “Gain control.” Per the Rangers, he walked up to shake his hand. Until video comes out (and even then, there will probably be ambiguity), we don’t know if there was a need to “gain control.” It sounds like, per the report, the fight was over, the couple involved in the domestic dispute either left or dispersed, and the good samaritan walked up to try to welcome the officer. There was no situation to gain control of, if that’s the case. Both parties could have done things differently, if that’s how it played out. But I don’t know if “gain control” of a fight that happened before the officer showed up is the right way to try to arm chair QB this. What was he gaining control of if the guy who broke the fight up was in a position to walk up and try to shake the officer’s hand? The problem with this incident is we don't know for sure how it originated. I've read a version in which he broke up a fight between other people and I've read a version in which he was just involved in a fight with someone else. Either scenario results in his being detained, even more so if he is possibly intoxicated. SnakeWrangler's question comes in at the point he reportedly tried to walk away from the officer who was trying to detain him for investigation. At that point the officer likely had reasonable suspicion that Price had committed Disorderly Conduct and/or Public Intoxication.
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the good samaritan walked up to try to welcome the officer. There was no situation to gain control of, if that’s the case.
You obviously have no clue about law enforcement. Please stay in your lane. Bad guys always come up to you and try to befriend you on calls. You know why??? Because they don’t want to go jail. This guy was apologizing to the officer about some glass on the ground implying like he’s the one that did it. I am going to become very suspicious about someone coming up on me to shake my hand and apologizing about some glass on the ground, therefore I am going to detain his arse until I figure out what’s going on. I do agree the officer was very young, inexperienced, and scared.
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I got into it once with a dude bigger than either in this story. I'm not a cop, but I had him on his knees begging in about three seconds. I'm 6'-0", 180 lbs.
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I got into it once with a dude bigger than either in this story. I'm not a cop, but I had him on his knees begging in about three seconds. I'm 6'-0", 180 lbs. YOU DA MAN!!
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Yeah. He was big, real big. I was scared. I dove under a car in the parking lot and tried to get away from him. I was crying. He got on his knees and begged me to come out, promised not to hurt me. I did. We hugged, he let me go. See what happens when an opinion is formed without all the facts? Don't do it.
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So you are a LEO and you have a noncompliant person....you have three choices to gain control of the person.
1. Go hands on and try to overpower them 2. Use the tazer to gain compliance 3. Use your service weapons to gain compliance/end threat
What would you do? Make it funnier Snake. She is a lady cop, so option 1 is not a viable option.
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Yeah. He was big, real big. I was scared. I dove under a car in the parking lot and tried to get away from him. I was crying. He got on his knees and begged me to come out, promised not to hurt me. I did. We hugged, he let me go. See what happens when an opinion is formed without all the facts? Don't do it. Well played.
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Yes I totally understand the officer's resistance to a handshake. At least until the situation is figured out.
It's an awful situation all the way around. I'm not a police officer so I cannot state what should or should not have happened but in my mind as not a police officer tasing him walking away with his hands in the air doesn't seem like a good idea but again I'm not a police officer so I'm not saying it was wrong I just didn't seem right to me.
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I'm not a police officer so I cannot state what should or should not have happened but in my mind as not a police officer tasing him walking away with his hands in the air doesn't seem like a good idea but again I'm not a police officer so I'm not saying it was wrong I just didn't seem right to me.
What should he have done, let him walk off? Serious question. If a cop tells you to stop, and you keep walking off, it leaves him with no other choice.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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I'm not a police officer so I cannot state what should or should not have happened but in my mind as not a police officer tasing him walking away with his hands in the air doesn't seem like a good idea but again I'm not a police officer so I'm not saying it was wrong I just didn't seem right to me.
What should he have done, let him walk off? Serious question. If a cop tells you to stop, and you keep walking off, it leaves him with no other choice. Right now that officer would probably choose the later.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/09/20 04:28 PM
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I'm not a police officer so I cannot state what should or should not have happened but in my mind as not a police officer tasing him walking away with his hands in the air doesn't seem like a good idea but again I'm not a police officer so I'm not saying it was wrong I just didn't seem right to me.
What should he have done, let him walk off? Serious question. If a cop tells you to stop, and you keep walking off, it leaves him with no other choice. Right now that officer would probably choose the later. If he had a do over, and he is worth his salt, he would not let him walk. Maybe make a better shot with the taser, and not shoot him. Who knows, it may prove out the shooting was justified.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/09/20 04:31 PM
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I'm not a police officer so I cannot state what should or should not have happened but in my mind as not a police officer tasing him walking away with his hands in the air doesn't seem like a good idea but again I'm not a police officer so I'm not saying it was wrong I just didn't seem right to me.
What should he have done, let him walk off? Serious question. If a cop tells you to stop, and you keep walking off, it leaves him with no other choice. “Leaves him with no other choice”? A subject merely walking away from an officer giving him orders to stop doesn’t warrant the use of a Taser
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/09/20 04:33 PM
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Yeah. He was big, real big. I was scared. I dove under a car in the parking lot and tried to get away from him. I was crying. He got on his knees and begged me to come out, promised not to hurt me. I did. We hugged, he let me go. See what happens when an opinion is formed without all the facts? Don't do it. Well played.
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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I'm not a police officer so I cannot state what should or should not have happened but in my mind as not a police officer tasing him walking away with his hands in the air doesn't seem like a good idea but again I'm not a police officer so I'm not saying it was wrong I just didn't seem right to me.
What should he have done, let him walk off? Serious question. If a cop tells you to stop, and you keep walking off, it leaves him with no other choice. “Leaves him with no other choice”? A subject merely walking away from an officer giving him orders to stop doesn’t warrant the use of a Taser What should he have done?
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Re: Any wolfe city folks on the forum?
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10/09/20 04:46 PM
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I guess I get to drive off too if pulled over. Right on
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