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 Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: SteveO]
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11/07/07 07:43 PM
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I will shake my head and ignore Big_Orn...and hope that one day high fences become ilegal!
indeed... but it aint gonna happen now..... if anything, the horns taken from these zoo's should not be allowed to hold ANY record of any sort... hell, they put an asterik next to barry bonds at least, they should do the same with the zoo deer.
Those that hunt behind the fence don't care about "the book". What they do care about is shooting a deer that HAS reached his full potential(weight,age and antlers). It's unfortunate that all deer can't live to 5.5 or 6.5 years of age. But hey, Texas doesn't have any laws about age as a criteria. But now, they are starting to put antler restrictions in alot of counties. This will at least help the deer reach 2.5 or maybe 3.5. Why would the state make a law about antler restrictions anyways...maybe to help bucks try to live more than 1.5 years?
Don't fear Steveo, there will always be a "book" for you to enter a speciman that meets their standards.
If you shoot a young deer because a neighbor will shoot it, you are that neighbor.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: jastang2000]
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11/07/07 07:47 PM
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You must not know how to read. I have workend and been on multiable high fence ranch and breeders so who sucker now.
where'd you learn how to spell? JC Penny?
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: Crazyhorse]
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11/07/07 07:48 PM
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You have lots of very good points.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS]
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11/07/07 07:58 PM
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this is the kind of thing that happens every time I am at a wildlife meeting and meet the men. The first thing they say is how big there breeder bucks are and very next words out of there much is how much thay make off the deer. I know there are some breeders out there that truly love deer but it is the same story every time I meet them.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: SteveO]
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11/07/07 08:05 PM
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You must not know how to read. I have workend and been on multiable high fence ranch and breeders so who sucker now.
where'd you learn how to spell? JC Penny?
He happens to agree with you, Steve. 
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: Big Orn]
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11/07/07 08:07 PM
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You must not know how to read. I have workend and been on multiable high fence ranch and breeders so who sucker now.
where'd you learn how to spell? JC Penny?
He happens to agree with you, Steve.
 
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: jastang2000]
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11/07/07 08:09 PM
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Jason,
Have you been talking about "breeders" killing traditions? There is a difference between a "high fenced" ranch and a "deer breeder". Yes these are some high fenced places that have breeding pens. There are also "breeders" that have just pens. The only thing in common between a the two is an 8' fence. A deer breeder actually owns the deer. I guess like in any business, you will brag how big your breeders are or how much better your product(widget) is than your competition. Just to try and make a sell. Remember, the deer belong to the breeder and not the State.
If you shoot a young deer because a neighbor will shoot it, you are that neighbor.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: Big Orn]
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11/07/07 08:13 PM
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
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11/07/07 08:16 PM
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You must not know how to read. I have workend and been on multiable high fence ranch and breeders so who sucker now.
where'd you learn how to spell? JC Penny?
He happens to agree with you, Steve.
LOL! 
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: SteveO]
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11/07/07 08:19 PM
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: Curtis]
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11/07/07 08:21 PM
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i dunno, but i bet it deals with high fenced zoo's...... 
is there a political board in this forum? 
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: jdickey]
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11/07/07 08:24 PM
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Are not most of them basically high fenced?
Membership fees and requirements and such.
If a person is of the wrong color or socio-economic level or sex, remember Augusta and the Masters???, aren't they denided entrance to the better clubs.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: SteveO]
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11/07/07 08:55 PM
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indeed... but it aint gonna happen now..... if anything, the horns taken from these zoo's should not be allowed to hold ANY record of any sort... hell, they put an asterik next to barry bonds at least, they should do the same with the zoo deer.
SteveO, if you are talking about a buck killed off of a high fenced ranch then I strongly disagree with you. If you are talking about a deer that was born in a pen, ear tagged, tattoed or whatever then I strongly agree with you. In fact I believe that a deer that was pen raised should not be allowed into any big buck contest at all. These are two totally different animals when you talk of a deer that was born inside of a high fence ranch versus one that was conceived and born in a pen!
High fence, low fence, no fence, it really doesn't matter as long as you're hunting!
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS]
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11/07/07 09:22 PM
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indeed... but it aint gonna happen now..... if anything, the horns taken from these zoo's should not be allowed to hold ANY record of any sort... hell, they put an asterik next to barry bonds at least, they should do the same with the zoo deer.
SteveO, if you are talking about a buck killed off of a high fenced ranch then I strongly disagree with you. If you are talking about a deer that was born in a pen, ear tagged, tattoed or whatever then I strongly agree with you. In fact I believe that a deer that was pen raised should not be allowed into any big buck contest at all. These are two totally different animals when you talk of a deer that was born inside of a high fence ranch versus one that was conceived and born in a pen!
welp, we gotta start somewhere....... anything with a tag in its' ear should definitely never be considered for any records.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: SteveO]
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11/07/07 09:40 PM
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indeed... but it aint gonna happen now..... if anything, the horns taken from these zoo's should not be allowed to hold ANY record of any sort... hell, they put an asterik next to barry bonds at least, they should do the same with the zoo deer.
SteveO, if you are talking about a buck killed off of a high fenced ranch then I strongly disagree with you. If you are talking about a deer that was born in a pen, ear tagged, tattoed or whatever then I strongly agree with you. In fact I believe that a deer that was pen raised should not be allowed into any big buck contest at all. These are two totally different animals when you talk of a deer that was born inside of a high fence ranch versus one that was conceived and born in a pen!
welp, we gotta start somewhere....... anything with a tag in its' ear should definitely never be considered for any records.
What do you know, SteveO and I agree on something! Just for your own info Steve, the TBGA(which is an club/group) that allows animals that have been shot behind a high fence to be entered in the awards program. However, if the deer has been handled by anyone at any given time the deer will not be allowed in "their" awards program.
If you shoot a young deer because a neighbor will shoot it, you are that neighbor.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: Curtis]
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11/07/07 10:09 PM
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Whats the record for most pages in a topic?
it was the big orn tribute thread! i think it made it to like 110 pages or something. they had to delete it cause it was using all the bandwidth.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: TXBowhunter1]
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11/07/07 10:20 PM
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Other than the Big Orn thread, I think the most was the original one about Black Cougars/Mountain Lions/Pumas/Whatever, and I think it went 10 pages. 
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
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11/07/07 10:32 PM
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: BradyBuck]
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11/08/07 01:53 AM
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I guess reading some of these posts has made me realize that its not going to change. Deer hunting is now a buisness. I was probably wrong in stating that high fences should be ilegal. It is their land to do with what they want even if I don't like it...I just want to agree to diagree
Now thats the way to look at it. 
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: jastang2000]
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11/08/07 02:08 AM
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You must not know how to read.
Well if i can't read, then you sure can't write. Not once in any of your posts did you claim to work on a hi-fence ranch or have any personal association with one. Now you boast about working on one and haveing considerable dealings with them, yet you chastize them. That makes you a hypocrite in my book.
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so who sucker now.
I read well enough to spot bad spelling and grammer!
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Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
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11/08/07 02:27 AM
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
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11/08/07 02:29 AM
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I had to start with mine.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
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11/08/07 02:41 AM
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You must not know how to read.
Well if i can't read, then you sure can't write. Not once in any of your posts did you claim to work on a hi-fence ranch or have any personal association with one. Now you boast about working on one and haveing considerable dealings with them, yet you chastize them. That makes you a hypocrite in my book.
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so who sucker now.
I read well enough to spot bad spelling and grammer!
Hear you go buddy its on page #3 Read it better yet I will copy the post.
Ps lay off the anal cream and you seem to be taking a personal attack on the post, you are also are off topic.
I wont go on any Hi fence hunts but I spent a lot of time on several places. I never had a desire for it. It is more of the breeders that are mind less. I had a lucky hunter who killed a 166 inch ten point with archery equipment (low fence) and we went to the Taxidermist, a guy walked in and this is what he said "who killed this little thing" and proceeded to brag about his 300+ inch breeder buck and how much he was selling the straws of sperm for. I had a girl friend that worked for a breeder and the breeder was so worried about selling fawns and straws of sperm rather than loving the whitetails. She quit the job due to this simple fact that see loves the deer more that how much $$$$$ they are going to get for straws. How do you all feel about this. The guy was patronizing a buck of a life time. It really po me.
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Re: High fences are killing traditions
[Re: jastang2000]
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Holly Crapoly! When are Texans going to finaly stand up and say, I may not like it, but it is a free country. High fences are not against the law, and many argue that the people with high fences manage their herds much better than those who don't. At the end of the day, we don't need hunters running around trying to limit land owners rights. If they bought the land, they can do what they want within the law. Remember, they have fenced in their land, you don't have to worry about them shooting your trophy buck when it crosses the fence. Manage your place the best you can and be happy. If you don't have the deer you would like, sell and buy a new place. High fences in Texas make up leas than 1% of the total fenced property. How can you possibly believe they are hurting the states deer populations. Lets get realistic here!
We have enough youth. How about a fountain of "smart"?
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