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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 01:36 AM
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You can push a 110 Accubond to 3900 fps without a belt.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 01:37 AM
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Tff..."sort of apples to apples" is what I said. Same weight bullet, almost same BC. The diff is that one, the 257 Wby, is held in almost religious regard by Weatherbyites. All I pointed out is that we "don't need no stinkin Weatherby" to get that level of performance. That, of course, was a mean evil heretical statement to some, though I said it with a smile. :-)
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 01:39 AM
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Geez, scooter, I was talking about the same type and weight bullets in two respective calibers. Simply put, the 257 Wby does a real fine job launching the 110 gr Accubond. And, the 270 does it a teensy bit better. That's all I've said. If a fellow likes a 110 gr bullet at 3500 fps, he doesn't need a long barreled, long throated 257 Wby. Just shoot it in your 270.
And when did I even get the 308 into the discussion? That was you. I was trying to keep this a sort of apples to apples comparison, and off you go with different calibers and bullet weights and bullet types. I don't see the comparison. It's the same grain bullet, but its a different caliber. So its not apples to apples. Ssshhh let him go, he thinks he's discovered something. Both shoot about 3500, which one you think will be traveling faster and flatter out past the muzzle. The 270 will be dragging arse by 100 yards.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 01:40 AM
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Well ya'll duke it out. My hunting soul is at stake. Keep me and other dudes like me from getting a Weatherby of it really is all show and no go.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 01:49 AM
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The 270 will be dragging arse by 100 yards. ^^Pure silliness^^
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 01:50 AM
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Well ya'll duke it out. My hunting soul is at stake. Keep me and other dudes like me from getting a Weatherby of it really is all show and no go. Nothing to duke out it's kind of a BS comparison. 270 19% below standard weight compared to 257 10% over standard weight, with standard being 130 for the 270 and 100 for the 257. The muzzle velocities may be equal but the 270 eats dust from that point on from it's low BC and larger area. kinda like throwing a softball and a hard ball with both having the same weight at the same speed.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 02:18 AM
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having both and loving both the 257 hands down every time until i bought a 240WBY. like i say some guys like em big thick and plain, some likem hot
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 02:49 AM
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There is no standard weight. The 130 is common in the 270, but the guys that shoot 140's or 150's might not think the 130 is standard. And the 260, for instance. The long distance guys would say the 140 is their standard, but many of us hunters shoot the 120's.
Allllllllll I said was that with a 110 gr Accubond, the 270 pushes it a bit faster. And the trajectory to 600 yards is almost identical. So we don't need no...you know the rest.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 02:57 AM
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Is the 110 grain accubond load a factory loading?
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 03:08 AM
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It's probably factory only in the 6.8 SPC, which I think it was designed for.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 03:09 AM
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270 is fine if you want to be boring, while ignoring the greatest hunting implement ever devised by mere mortals. Weatherby cult member... Says the 7 mag cult member
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 03:14 AM
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I'd love a .300 Win Mag too. I just can't justify it.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 03:27 AM
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I hear a 223 is the way to go? With perfect shot placement it'll kill anything u want it to? No need for those high power overkill calibers. Pretty sure I read something like that somewhere...
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 12:00 PM
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There is no standard weight. The 130 is common in the 270, but the guys that shoot 140's or 150's might not think the 130 is standard. And the 260, for instance. The long distance guys would say the 140 is their standard, but many of us hunters shoot the 120's.
Allllllllll I said was that with a 110 gr Accubond, the 270 pushes it a bit faster. And the trajectory to 600 yards is almost identical. So we don't need no...you know the rest. Sorry but those have been standard for about as long as I've been alive and probably longer. Faster at the muzzle but slower at 100 yards and much slower at 600. As far as trajectory I call BS! With a BC of .370 and a diameter of 277 there's no way it will hang with a .418 BC 257 diameter traveling at 3500 unless the magic 270 110 has figured out a way to defy mass, momentum and velocity. I also noticed they have the 270 showing MAX load .99 percent compressed while I still have a little ways to go with the 257. Had you just left it at both having a muzzle velocity of 3500 there would be no problem but you threw in the 600 yard claim and I'm not buying that one at all.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 12:17 PM
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At 600 yards, I'm showing 2.6" more drop on the .270. With a 10 mph crosswind, 3.7" more drift.
Take from that what you will. Just thought it would be nice to put some numbers to it.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 12:31 PM
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I am a big proponent of shooting cartridges at or near their "standard" or "development" bullet weights. This is how they were designed. I find much more consistency among bullet performance at/near standard/designed weights. The differences become especially apparent when using the same weight bullets with cartridges of different diameter. This makes sense to me. A .270 or .30-06 was not designed with shooting a 110 grain bullet in mind.
I'm not an expert, but I assume that's why you generally don't see optimum performance levels from most cartridges unless you are in the "wheelhouse" of their designs.
All that said, I don't see any practical difference for hunting for 603Country using his 110 grain .270 load. If it is accurate, discussing the differences between it and the .257 Wby. for hunting seems pretty pointless.
Last edited by Nogalus Prairie; 01/01/16 12:34 PM.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 12:39 PM
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Nog, it has nothing to do with practicality. They're simply determining the value of the Weatherby name.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 01:43 PM
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At 600 yards, I'm showing 2.6" more drop on the .270. With a 10 mph crosswind, 3.7" more drift.
Take from that what you will. Just thought it would be nice to put some numbers to it. Those numbers are neglegable. 1. Most of the poeple that defend the Weatherby can't shoot that small at 600 yards anyway. 2. This bullet weight in question is one of the absolute worst choices to be trying to shoot to 600 with any regularity.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 01:49 PM
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Now Scooter...I'm just presenting the facts. And I drive a big ol freakin truck with a V8.
I never was a belted magnum fan, and now I (and you) can exceed 257 Wby performance with a 270. Pretty cool, but it sure takes the wind out of the sails of the guys that thought the 257 Wby was the baddest flamethrowing earth shaking sendero caliber of all time. Jack O'Conner would be so happy....the 270 might just be the perfect caliber. Whaddaya think, Fireman? Is it you that talks bad bout the 270? :-)
I have taken the day off from reloading to watch football and stir the forum pot. I talk bad about the .257 Weatherby and the 270. I have my reasons, and some of them are to piss people off. It works every time.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 02:27 PM
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I'm back. Need coffee. I guess we know now who owns a Wby. They are a proud people, and easily angered.
No, I am not switching to the 110 gr AB in my 270. I'm not shooting at anything at 600 yards, and if I did, it would not be with that bullet. Still, it does appear to be a good option for central Texas hunting, being a good sturdy bullet that will fly like it was shot from a .....257 Wby.
Still, I say, there are no "standard" bullet weights, only weights that we commonly associate with calibers.
And I think we all now see that the 257 Wby is indeed still a good choice for our South Texas Sendero rifle, but we also see that you can equal the performance without buying a Weatherby. Who knew...and maybe that does dim the luster of the 257 Wby just a bit - maybe.
Truly, there was and is no offense intended toward the Weatherby folk. I was just pointing out an interesting new bullet option for the 270 and how fast it could be pushed. The reaction of a few was a bit more intense than I expected. That said, I enjoyed the chat.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 02:28 PM
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All that was a tad confusing. I hunt with a Remington 700 in .270 shooting a Federal Premium 130 gran Nosler Ballistic tip. I can't see shooting a 110 gran bullet in a .270.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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01/01/16 03:19 PM
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I'm back. Need coffee. I guess we know now who owns a Wby. They are a proud people, and easily angered.
Then there are also the people who are not impressed by stupidity and dishonesty.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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Well...here we go. Charlesb, who are you calling stupid and dishonest in regard to this discussion? Nobody, in my view, has shown any sign of either.
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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Dang charlesb you need a hug sir......
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Re: 270 Win vs 257 Wby
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Dang charlesb you need a stay in ban camp sir...... FIFY
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