270 Win vs 257 Wby

was just looking at my Nosler book. With that new 110 gr Accubond, it has the same ballistics as the 257 Wby and the 110 gr Accubond. BC's aren't the same, but the diff is meaningless. Very interesting. Don't need no stinkin Wby.... :-)

270 is fine if you want to be boring, while ignoring the greatest hunting implement ever devised by mere mortals.

Weatherby cult member...

Jack O'Conner would be so happy....the 270 might just be the perfect caliber.

was just looking at my Nosler book. With that new 110 gr Accubond, it has the same ballistics as the 257 Wby and the 110 gr Accubond. BC's aren't the same, but the diff is meaningless. Very interesting. Don't need no stinkin Wby.... :-)

Now Scooter...I'm just presenting the facts. And I drive a big ol freakin truck with a V8.

I never was a belted magnum fan, and now I (and you) can exceed 257 Wby performance with a 270. Pretty cool, but it sure takes the wind out of the sails of the guys that thought the 257 Wby was the baddest flamethrowing earth shaking sendero caliber of all time. Jack O'Conner would be so happy....the 270 might just be the perfect caliber. Whaddaya think, Fireman? Is it you that talks bad bout the 270? :-)

I have taken the day off from reloading to watch football and stir the forum pot.

270 is fine if you want to be boring, while ignoring the greatest hunting implement ever devised by mere mortals.

eresting. Now Scooter has told us that the Wby has more grunt at 1500 yards, and I really didn't know that. I guess I'll have to get one for my 1500 yard deer hunting. But...the fact remains that out to any reasonable hunting distance, which is the only reason anybody would ever want a 257 Wby, the two calibers are essentially equal, and the 270 can do it without free bore and without a 26 inch barrel.

Geez, scooter, I was talking about the same type and weight bullets in two respective calibers. Simply put, the 257 Wby does a real fine job launching the 110 gr Accubond. And, the 270 does it a teensy bit better. That's all I've said. If a fellow likes a 110 gr bullet at 3500 fps, he doesn't need a long barreled, long throated 257 Wby. Just shoot it in your 270.

And when did I even get the 308 into the discussion? That was you. I was trying to keep this a sort of apples to apples comparison, and off you go with different calibers and bullet weights and bullet types.

I talk bad about the .257 Weatherby and the 270. I have my reasons, and some of them are to piss people off. It works every time.

I don't see the comparison. It's the same grain bullet, but its a different caliber. So its not apples to apples.

The 270 will be dragging arse by 100 yards.

Well ya'll duke it out. My hunting soul is at stake. Keep me and other dudes like me from getting a Weatherby of it really is all show and no go.

Weatherby cult member...

There is no standard weight. The 130 is common in the 270, but the guys that shoot 140's or 150's might not think the 130 is standard. And the 260, for instance. The long distance guys would say the 140 is their standard, but many of us hunters shoot the 120's.

Allllllllll I said was that with a 110 gr Accubond, the 270 pushes it a bit faster. And the trajectory to 600 yards is almost identical. So we don't need no...you know the rest.

At 600 yards, I'm showing 2.6" more drop on the .270. With a 10 mph crosswind, 3.7" more drift.

Take from that what you will. Just thought it would be nice to put some numbers to it.

I talk bad about the .257 Weatherby and the 270. I have my reasons, and some of them are to piss people off. It works every time.

I'm back. Need coffee. I guess we know now who owns a Wby. They are a proud people, and easily angered.

Dang charlesb you need a stay in ban camp sir......

FIFY

I agree. If I didn't know better I would swear he owns a gun shop in Granbury.

Naw. He gets on my nerves at times but he also has a good point at times too. He adds a little balance around here. Might as well keep him around.

Those numbers are neglegable.

1. Most of the poeple that defend the Weatherby can't shoot that small at 600 yards anyway.

2. This bullet weight in question is one of the absolute worst choices to be trying to shoot to 600 with any regularity.

I'm sure you can support this with facts, JG.

I agree. If I didn't know better I would swear he owns a gun shop in Granbury.

God I am hating caliber threads more and more

God I am hating caliber threads more and more

It's apparent they like the speed to compensate for the lack of know how to overcome gravity. And thr most devout Weatherby cult members never bring up hitting anything at 600 yards. It doesn't change the fact that tjose numbers are negligable. 1 more mph in cross wind can cause more drift than thode differences.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But I doubt it.


That's funny, Charles. All you have to retort is my spelling while using a smart phone.

Merle! Haha!

So let me get this straight. Weatherby cult members never bring up shooting at 600 yards so you know the way they shoot. How is that? This is just you demonizing a way of thinking that you don't understand and will not try. We've had this same tired argument before. It's dial spinners vs mpbr shooters. Both work no reason to demonize one or the other.

God I am hating caliber threads more and more

"They" did bring up 600 yards, not me.

And "they" often want to tell BC doesn't matter and lean on the MV. Sure enough one of the cult members brought up BC, finally. And "they", the cult members, also like to down play the scopes that will get the distance achieved, because they don't need it. Been watching this movie for a long time.

I haven't seen scopes mentioned once here. Actually BC was brought up in the op but sure blame your scape goat.

MPBR is not going to get any cartridge out there on vitals at 600, guessing on the hold "imma hold about a foot over the top of the shoulder attitude". I watch lead go down range every week, and the compensation for 600 is quite significant no matter what rifle, and bullet is being fired, and no matter what MV it has going for it.

Umm... Duh I don't know anyone that uses mpbr to shoot to 600. Usually that is 400 at a max. The weatherby rounfds became popular before laser range finders were available or affordable. Many like them and other high velocity rounds so they don't have to range every little thing. 250 or 300 yards on a deer doesn't matter as much as it would with a 7mm08 with a heavy high BC bullet. Now I'm sure you will complain that that range can't be judged accurately enough but you'll be making an argument for the higher velocity in those ranges.

So if it will hurt less feelings lets ignore my educated hypothesis, and pay more attention to the fact that the elevation and wind drift of the .270, and the .257 is negligable. That, sir is fact. There is also no fairy dust sprinkled on any cartridge, including any one with Weatherby on the head stamp. No fairy dust on Rem, Win, Hornady or any other available. Same as there is no fairy dust on any rifle label. Seen many a sub $400 rifle do amazing things.

Never argued that the difference was not negligible. I haven't seen a lot of dispute on this in this thread. I don't remember anyone talking about fairy dust. Several rounds can be loaded to close to the trajectory of the 257. Its prefrance again on the headstamp to get there. I think most people have been to concerned with BC instead of SD on this one.

So you bring up MPBR vs. dial spinners. I respond trying to stay on your point, and now you want to tell me MPBR is not used for 600 yards, which was the distance that got your feathers ruffled in the first place? I'm well aware that MPBR won't get anyone that isnt lucky to 600. That was the whole point of the paragraph, which you just inadvertantly agreed with.

Geez.

And now you know what I will say? I know of guys around here than probably can estimate fairly close out to 400 yards. They've got decades of experience doing so. We weren't talking 400 though, were we?

It's apparent they like the speed to compensate for the lack of know how to overcome gravity. And thr most devout Weatherby cult members never bring up hitting anything at 600 yards. It doesn't change the fact that tjose numbers are negligable. 1 more mph in cross wind can cause more drift than thode differences.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But I doubt it.


That's funny, Charles. All you have to retort is my spelling while using a smart phone.

Everyone knows when Jesus comes back he will be shooting a mark V deluxe in .257 wby

Let's see you complain about people using velocity to compensate for drop and how bad of a shot they are because they lack skill. I try to explain why some people use this method, which was lost on you. That whole spill was off topic and now your trying to get me to stay on point when I responded to it. So back to to the topic.

Don't believe I've ever run into anybody so full of himself as you. Nobody that shoots a Weatherby knows how to shoot, only long range steel shooters are real shooters, anybody who shoots a Weatherby is a cult member. How long do you plan on caring on with the insults. By the way my first comment isn't an insult it's just an honest observation. As far as the 600 yard comment I hate to hit you with some truth but the truth is we don't care about your 600 yard BS and boasting, we're hunters and most of us won't even try a 600 yard shot due to the variables involved. We use our hunting skill's to get in where we're more sure of a clean kill and not a walk off. I'd say listen to some of us older guys who've been at this allot longer than you have but your so full of yourself your incapable of it. 100 Meter off hand both rim-fire and center fire pistol silhouettes, 200 yard pistol silhouettes, 500 yard offhand rifle silhouettes, combat and ppc matches plus 100 and 200 yard bench-rest and this was over 40 years ago.
Yea we're just boneheaded, clueless cult members.

The thing is, JG---as it (your attitude and extremely narrow point of view) has ALWAYS been---is that you came right out and made a flat statement to the effect that Weatherby shooters can't shoot. That's WRONG and you know it.

This ain't "Texas Long Range Hunting Forum," but you seem to think that it is.

The long range game is as much a part of the shooting sports as anything else, but no more than that. Why you can't seem to get off that high horse and recognize that there are a LOT of other points of view other than your own is beyond me.

I don't care for Weatherby cartridges myself, for reasons of my own, but I'm not jackass enough to come in here insulting those who like them. Say you don't care for them then shut the hell up.

This crap is really getting old.

He will have a flaming sword.

Now, Moses or Elijah will probably have a .257.

I was hoping for a real fire breathing monster like a .50/20mm.

The thing is, JG---as it (your attitude and extremely narrow point of view) has ALWAYS been---is that you came right out and made a flat statement to the effect that Weatherby shooters can't shoot. That's WRONG and you know it.

This ain't "Texas Long Range Hunting Forum," but you seem to think that it is.

The long range game is as much a part of the shooting sports as anything else, but no more than that. Why you can't seem to get off that high horse and recognize that there are a LOT of other points of view other than your own is beyond me.

I don't care for Weatherby cartridges myself, for reasons of my own, but I'm not jackass enough to come in here insulting those who like them. Say you don't care for them then shut the hell up.

This crap is really getting old.

You too can go backwards in this thread and see who brought up 600 yards. And my main point was the difference was negligable between the two chamberings in question. I'd like shots on game as close as possible, same as anyone else.

Go back even farther and see that I like to poke the bear that is the Weatherby lovers (that a better term?) And every time they get bent out of shape.

About the third time you've told me about it "getting old". And for the third time I'll tell you to change the channel or ignore it if you don't like it. It's nothing more than banter from myself and everyone else. First amendment at its' finest.

But since it hurts so many feelings, I'll stop....maybe.

I talk bad about the .257 Weatherby and the 270. I have my reasons, and some of them are to piss people off. It works every time.

The thing is, JG---as it (your attitude and extremely narrow point of view) has ALWAYS been---is that you came right out and made a flat statement to the effect that Weatherby shooters can't shoot. That's WRONG and you know it.

This ain't "Texas Long Range Hunting Forum," but you seem to think that it is.

The long range game is as much a part of the shooting sports as anything else, but no more than that. Why you can't seem to get off that high horse and recognize that there are a LOT of other points of view other than your own is beyond me.

I don't care for Weatherby cartridges myself, for reasons of my own, but I'm not jackass enough to come in here insulting those who like them. Say you don't care for them then shut the hell up.

This crap is really getting old.

HWY MAN called it like it is. If JG's skin was any thinner, he'd have a reservoir tip flopping around on the top of his head.

He apparently thinks that it is "A-OK" to casually run other people down and has no concept of civilized discussion with his peers, but if anybody points out a flaw on his end or dares to disagree with him, well then it's war.

[ And for the third time I'll tell you to change the channel or ignore it if you don't like it.

It ain't your channel.

Invalid. You seem to have been leading a campaign against the guy since I joined the forum

It ain't your channel.

100% valid.

I dunno know how long you've been in this forum. - I had no problem with JG until he started showing his butt, not so long ago.

The biggest issue with the THF is there is a pretty sizable number of folks who can dish it out but can't take it.

It's apparent they like the speed to compensate for the lack of know how to overcome gravity. And thr most devout Weatherby cult members never bring up hitting anything at 600 yards. It doesn't change the fact that tjose numbers are negligable. 1 more mph in cross wind can cause more drift than thode differences.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But I doubt it.


That's funny, Charles. All you have to retort is my spelling while using a smart phone.

I'm in love with my 6.5 Weatherby !!!!! It's a laser and I love it.

To me it doesn't matter that it has ".257 or .270 Weatherby" stamped on the base, it's a bad [censored] long range hunting cartridge just like the:

7mm Rem. Mag
280 Rem
.264 Win Mag
.300 win mag

etc, etc, etc.....

I will never dump on anybody's chit on here.......well almost never

Americans have been slow to catch on to the 6.5. Thankfully, that is changing.

Americans have been slow to catch on to the 6.5. Thankfully, that is changing.

I'll never under stand why they didn't make 6.5 wby(270wby case) a standard round. I can only think it was because of the 264 win mag flop. But then again both may of simply been before their time and modern components.

I was also told swaro's don't track...

Wby and now nosler are smart in thier market capture.... I've never dialed under 400. But then again I shot high velocity calibers. But assuming Some can't make corrections using a turret is well.......

I think it would have done better had slower burning powders been around at the time.

I think it would have done better had slower burning powders been around at the time.

Can't comment on the Swaro. I lean on Chad's experience there. If he said they won't, I believe him.

Makes total sense not to dial under 400. I see big magnums, and efficient short actions (including .223) run real close to the same trajectory out to 300. I ask everyone that comes out "what's the farthest you've hit something on purpose?" Most often answer is 300. Seems as though the stakes are significantly raised at 400+. No doubt about it, speed is a huge help 300+, gotta have a decent BC to keep it going though.

Yes there are plenty that can't make the correction using a turret, or even a reticle built for the task.

I think it would have done better had slower burning powders been around at the time.

The 264 was and is a hell of a round if you keep it in it's realm, competing with the 7-mag was it's down fall. It should have been marketed around bullets in the 100 to 130 range where it really performs.

I wasn't disputing that. Wind at 300+ is the trick. And your super fast bullet helps to get there before it can be blown off as badly.

No dought a hell of a round and even more so now. If it would of hit the market in the last 10 years it would of done 100x better.

No dought a hell of a round and even more so now. If it would of hit the market in the last 10 years it would of done 100x better.

I was shooting a 6.5-284 40 years ago. Hell the 6.5-300 Weatherbys been around longer than that. It was originally called the 6.5-Weatherby Wright Magnum. 6.5-280 was another popular round, oh and don't forget the 6.5 Remington Magnum that was a newby in the early 60's.

They've been around. They just haven't been near as popular as others until recent.

The Swedish military have been shooting heavy for caliber, high bc 6.5 mm bullets out of fast twist barrels since the late 1800's. We caught on last

For pity's sake, I get that. It WILL NOT WORK THAT FAR OUT!!! And I didn't bring it up!

Those numbers are neglegable.

1. Most of the poeple that defend the Weatherby can't shoot that small at 600 yards anyway.

2. This bullet weight in question is one of the absolute worst choices to be trying to shoot to 600 with any regularity.

They understood ballistic coefficients as well. Just because they weren't shooting boattails yet, doesn't mean they were clueless. Whether it was accidental or not, they beat us to it and they ran with it. They continued shooting long, heavy bullets long after the advent of modern gunpowder.

Edit- and compared to bullets of the day, it had very good ballistics.

Edit again- and it wasn't a black powder cartridge

The little Mannlicher-Schoenauer 1903 in 6.5 x 54 played a major role in popularizing the idea of smaller, fast-moving bullets for hunting also.

The Swedish military have been shooting heavy for caliber, high bc 6.5 mm bullets out of fast twist barrels since the late 1800's. We caught on last

Okay, so it wasn't black powder, my chronological error...it was very early on in the smokeless era and powder selection was not a concept at the time and heavy bullets were still the trend because of the limitations of black powder. To say that they were all about BC back then is completely ridiculous. Sectional density for penetration's sake, maybe. But not BC.

Looks like "BC-on-the-brain" is in full epidemic mode.

Seems like the up-swing for the 6.5, other than the LR Benchrest guys with their 6.5X284's and 6.5X47's, started when GA Precision started shooting sniper matches with the .243 105gr bullets, they weren't quite good enough, so they tried the .260, it took off followed by the 6.5 Creedmoor with all the marketing and Hype by the boys at Ruger & Hornady brought to its place at the top as "the caliber" to have now.

Then GA Precision came out with their 6.5 SAUM which lit a few pants on fire but has since faded. I ate the bait when I watched Brush Country Monsters TV Show and saw the McWhorter Rifle boys shooting deer a long way off with their 6.5 Weatherby Magnums & Berger 140gr VLD, so I jumped on that band wagon.

I guess my point is, these are ALL, GREAT cartridges, are some a tiny bit better? Sure, do the ALL get the job done? Sure.

As it always goes on this forum, everyone LOVES what they have because they have a Chit load of money invested and have to justify it. That's what there are SO many choices and thank God there are all these choices.

So, it don't make a hill of beans if you like Tikka, Swarovski, Mils or MOA, Dialing or holding off, Vortex, BSA, Weatherby, Winchester, Yada, Yada, Yada, if you got it and like it then God Bless.

So can this thread be left alone to die now?

I am very biased as I have worked for Weatherby since 1995. So I'll just add this.
You don't hear of many people shooting at 600 yards with a Weatherby because the majority of people that own them only hunt with them and are not target shooters.
Does it the help the guy that doesn't shoot a whole lot but hunts a lot? Yes a little, especially out to 400 yards. With a little studying a person and sight in correctly and kill a deer size target with ease out to those ranges. That covers the bulk of deer and elk hunting. I know this is true for most all calibers but the extra speed does help in the wind and being a little flatter is an advantage to the common guy. The added velocity at longer shots also delivers more pounds of energy.
Are Weatherby calibers faster and shoot flatter than others without reloading. Yes with a few exceptions.
Are there people that shoot Weatherby calibers past 600?
Yes lots. I know of two shooting schools that Include a Weatherby 30-378 with a custom scope in the price of their school. The schools specialize in teaching 1000 yard shooting. They sell around 700 packages a year at each school so I know 1400 people a year learn to shoot at 1000 yards with a Weatherby caliber.
The comments that a Weatherby thread always get my attention. As they say there ain't no such thing as bad advertising as long as people are talking about it.
Everyone deserves their opinion and thankfully 60k people thought Weatherby was the gun to buy last year!
By the way I follow and read the stuff JG and Chad do pretty close. I appreciate it all and wish I had the time to do the stuff these guys do.
Happy New Year Guys

There are lots of cartridges to choose from out there, and there are a lot of different folks out there choosing them based on some pretty unique outlooks and purposes. Each and every cartridge is a compromise in some respect, so it has to come down to what appeals to the guy who's looking at them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

An example...I have absolutely NO interest in the .300 Blackout. It seems silly to me. Other guys look at it and their hearts throb. They have their reasons for loving it and I have my own reasons for not ever glancing at it ever again. I don't see any point in feuding over such things or trying to push beliefs off on others.

There are lots of cartridges to choose from out there, and there are a lot of different folks out there choosing them based on some pretty unique outlooks and purposes. Each and every cartridge is a compromise in some respect, so it has to come down to what appeals to the guy who's looking at them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

An example...I have absolutely NO interest in the .300 Blackout. It seems silly to me. Other guys look at it and their hearts throb. They have their reasons for loving it and I have my own reasons for not ever glancing at it ever again. I don't see any point in feuding over such things or trying to push beliefs off on others.

Is the 270 110 accubond designed for 270 speeds or for a 6.8?