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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
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01/02/15 07:47 PM
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I'm a terrible shot but I follow up with a grenade!
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: cyberpyrot]
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01/02/15 09:34 PM
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This probably seems trivial in the face of all of this...but does anyone know if the hex-shaped nuts on the mount are removable, or are they captured/ pinned? It might be kind of nice if you could put standard AR carry handle knurled/ round "thumb nuts" on instead.
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: s6275]
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01/02/15 11:18 PM
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This probably seems trivial in the face of all of this...but does anyone know if the hex-shaped nuts on the mount are removable, or are they captured/ pinned? It might be kind of nice if you could put standard AR carry handle knurled/ round "thumb nuts" on instead. Why would you want to do that? Hand tight? They need to have torque on them to be able to handle recoil so the scope doesn't move..
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: cyberpyrot]
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01/02/15 11:19 PM
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
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01/02/15 11:26 PM
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HuntTXhogs, since you have several X-Sights, are you able to confirm any of yours are crooked like that? I have two X-sights and they are straight
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: cyberpyrot]
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01/03/15 01:53 AM
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lol, can't say putting a scope on a table is a measure of level unless it is level, both the table and the lens it is resting on, but the mount does look pretty straight from the picture
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: DavidK]
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01/03/15 05:12 AM
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lol, can't say putting a scope on a table is a measure of level unless it is level, both the table and the lens it is resting on, but the mount does look pretty straight from the picture All is square in love and war... Or is it all is fair? Either way the table is level and the face of the xsight lens is true
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: cyberpyrot]
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01/03/15 10:37 AM
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I bore sighted my rifle yesterday (BPM .223/5.56)At 50 yards reticle was 3 feet right and 1 foot low. After adjustment reticle was left of center on the screen and when zoomed, it disappears off the upper left of the screen like many of you have described. For me the minimum magnification is fine for 100 to 150 yds. I did check the mount on the scope and it appears to be straight although I did not put a straight edge or level on it. I'm thinking I may try to shim the scope/mount and re-sight to get the cross hairs closer to the center of the screen. I thought I read earlier in this thread that the latest update corrected this issue. Oh well, raining here today so won't be working on the rifle. Damn...I hope I am not the only one who wakes up at 4:00 in the morning thinking about how best to sight in a rifle scope.
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: cyberpyrot]
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01/03/15 05:34 PM
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IF USPS ever gets here with a part needed for my undergassed and lethargic 30 RaR then I intend to go shoot the living snot out of some targets today.
But you can't count on USPS for nothing so.....
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: Wildone]
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01/03/15 06:36 PM
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Damn...I hope I am not the only one who wakes up at 4:00 in the morning thinking about how best to sight in a rifle scope. You're not. I woke up early thinking that since I'd like a slight riser on mine, I wonder if I should machine an aluminum spacer to place between the sight body and mount. I then thought that if I'm going to do that, I might as well make it windage adjustable to better match the centered reticle with POI so that zooming is less of an issue. That led to thinking about building in some cant to the spacer if needed so that I could do the same with elevation at a given yardage. Of course that made me think about adapting the whole thing to a better mount with return to zero QD capability, and all of THAT means that I didn't get the sleep I needed. Full disclosure: I haven even shot mine yet, so I have no idea if any of that crap is even relevant.
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
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01/03/15 07:20 PM
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These will be your best friend when you get around to playing with it.
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: cyberpyrot]
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01/03/15 10:40 PM
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On 4 ar-15 platforms (all psa uppers) I got the elevation issue down to zero with a .0143" shim mounted to the scope itself in between the scope and the mount. I would imagine that a .014 or .015 would have gotten it close enough but I wanted zero so after several hours cutting stock down to size thats what I ended up with. To start with I had an x setting of 113 which in turn the cross hairs will walk at 2.5 mag and at 3 mag the crosshairs are gone to lala land. After the above shim it matches the factory reset of the crosshairs.
To do this as most already know here you will have to dismunt the mount from the scope and shim the appropriate end. In my case it was the rear.
You can do this easier than I did just by getting a set of feeler gauges and loosen your mount just a hair to where you can slide the feelers in between to get a rough estimate as to how much you will have to shim for elevation. Remember to also loosen the set screw underneath the reversable latch.
As to windage it was easier than what I initially thought. At first it had a y setting of 63. While you have the screws loose for the elevation adjustment you will also notice that you have a little wiggle room and in my case I was able to adjust to a y setting of 2.
Ive been playing with this for several weeks and for now it seems to be my best bet as to getting the scope initially aligned with the bore of the weapon. I would imagine that ATN will come out with a software fix for the reticle in the future that fixes the walking problem but you still need to start out as close to in line with the bore as possible.
None of this may help you in your case but Ive done 4 in my area this week and all have been doing well so far
Last edited by Shadow357x2; 01/04/15 12:16 AM.
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: Shadow357x2]
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01/04/15 12:01 AM
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Huh. OK...here's what I don't get: when you remove...then re-torque...the cap screws for the mount, what keeps the mount in new adjusted position?
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: s6275]
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01/04/15 12:17 AM
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Huh. OK...here's what I don't get: when you remove...then re-torque...the cap screws for the mount, what keeps the mount in new adjusted position?
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: Shadow357x2]
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01/04/15 03:58 PM
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Is there a problem? I asked a question. I get it. You loosened the mount so you had side-to-side "wiggle room." I get it. My question was: once you have loosened those, how did you "adjust windage" like you claimed? With the X-Sight on the rifle, on a loose mount? I asked a question. Isn't that what we do here? Or not? I am confused. I noticed HuntTX was criticized/ ridiculed for his attempt to prove his mount was straight by using his table. Maybe I am wrong about the purpose of this forum. I'd ask if I was right, but I am not sure I am going to get a constructive answer. In a scope that is claimed to be able to handle at LEAST .308 recoil levels, ANY side-to-side "wiggle room" is bad. BAD. You might think you have it tight, but you will be constantly grappling with windage settings because of that. The mount should NOT be adjustable, either by design or by accident. It should be straight. Period.
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: s6275]
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01/04/15 04:27 PM
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Is there a problem? I asked a question. I asked a question. Isn't that what we do here? Or not? I am confused. I noticed HuntTX was criticized/ ridiculed for his attempt to prove his mount was straight by using his table. Maybe I am wrong about the purpose of this forum. I'd ask if I was right, but I am not sure I am going to get a constructive answer. Morning s6226 You misread the remark by DavidK, he and I are familiar with eachother while on the surface it may have appeared to be a criticism it wasn't received as such. Just want to clear that up -
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: HuntTXhogs]
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01/04/15 04:33 PM
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Thanks. My mistake. I'd still like to know the sorcery involved in straightening a crooked mount by loosening and re-tightening some screws. Waiting...
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: s6275]
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01/04/15 05:34 PM
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Thanks. My mistake. I'd still like to know the sorcery involved in straightening a crooked mount by loosening and re-tightening some screws. Waiting... No sorcery involved just a little time and patience with some good ol fashioned range time. On the x-sights that are noticably out as shown earlier in the post there isnt much hope IMO without sending it back. On the ones that are just a little out as was mine you will notice that when you start to loosen the mount that it has notable side to side play.Using a laser bore sighter (mine is a sl-500)I would imagine any of them will do though.Leave the screws slightly loose and mount the scope you will notice how the reticle will move. Bring in over until it matches the dot. measure the alignment , take scope off set it to the measurement you just took tighten. go to the range and do the finall zero. You will still have reticle walk at the higher mags but not as bad being that you are getting the scope as close to being inline with the bore as possible and not adjusting the reticle as much. This is no different than a standard day scope. you want to adjust as little as possible. This does not fix the issue with the reticle walk but calms it down for those that feel the need for higher mags. It still needs to be addressed by ATN.
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
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01/04/15 06:10 PM
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I am new to the digital scope world. I just received my X Sight, downloaded the newest firmware,and just been checking it out as much as possible. I haven't figured out how to use all of the features yet. Is there no way to start recording video from the IOS or Android App?
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
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01/04/15 06:32 PM
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
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01/04/15 06:59 PM
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Is there a problem? I asked a question. I asked a question. Isn't that what we do here? Or not? I am confused. I noticed HuntTX was criticized/ ridiculed for his attempt to prove his mount was straight by using his table. Maybe I am wrong about the purpose of this forum. I'd ask if I was right, but I am not sure I am going to get a constructive answer. Morning s6226 You misread the remark by DavidK, he and I are familiar with eachother while on the surface it may have appeared to be a criticism it wasn't received as such. Just want to clear that up - lol, yep, I was messing with HTXH because he always goes in to detail, whereas I would have just put a straight edge along the mount to compare against the rest of the scope. Making me think about it, I need to take a picture of mine and post it up. It isn't too bad, but not sure what it will do at different ranges.
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
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01/04/15 07:29 PM
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I looked at my scope mount, it was really close, I just loosened the mounting screws, there is a little bit of slop, I retorqued them down and the mount is now straight. Mine was only a little off, looking from the eyepiece end towards the lens, it was tilted to the right (bottom left, top right...figure I better say that or HTXH will catch it lol), but only a little, but doesn't take much to mess up sighting in and giving room for adjustment.
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
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01/04/15 07:51 PM
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figure I better say that or HTXH will catch it lol), He will. But you have to admit he is right 99% of the time though. What where your windage settings before and after?
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
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01/04/15 08:42 PM
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Sure thing. This photo shows it quite clearly. Given the way the mount is fixed to the scope there is no apparent way to adjust it and straighten it up. Just got back in town from a hunt. This is exactly what mine looks like from what I was telling ya'll the other day. I've got mine boxed up right now and going to get it exchanged hopefully.
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Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion)
[Re: Shadow357x2]
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01/04/15 11:53 PM
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figure I better say that or HTXH will catch it lol), He will. But you have to admit he is right 99% of the time though. What where your windage settings before and after? haven't sighted in yet
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