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ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200)

Posted By: cyberpyrot

ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 12/30/14 01:41 PM

Please do not comment in this thread unless you actually own the device. No speculation only first hand account please. If you want to troll please visit the fishing forum.

So i'm about to head out on another hunting trip on Jan 9-12 I plan on putting it through its paces on deer and hog. The last trip I managed to get some great video at about 45 yards and 100 yards. I'm very excited about the potential with this scope. after this hunt I plan on looking for a dedicated 308 AR for this scope to sit on top.

25- 45 yards



10 yards



50 yard sight in at range.




Tips and tricks ------ if anyone has any tips I will post them here.

1: I find it better to use the smartphone app to focus the device rather then the eye piece for some reason I can not get the thing focused when looking through the view finder perhaps i'm nearsighted
2:



Issues

1: Compass
2: speedometer
3: altitude
4: Wandering Cross Hairs
5: Flicker in night Mode
6: cross hairs in video record


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Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 02:06 PM

interesting tidbit the old firmware on the ATN sight was removed perhaps there planning on deploying the new firmware today.
http://www.atncorp.com/firmware#xsight5-18



Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 04:23 PM

Interesting on the firmware not being there, hope they put up the new stuff.

Other than issues already being identified in the X-Sight thread from Sachal, how are you doing on batteries? I tried 3 different types of rechargeables, no go. They don't last 15 minutes. I'm now running Energizer Lithium Ultimate's. Haven't checked to see how long they last, but much longer than the rechargeables.

I also have a problem where the menu items words/letters get messed up. I had the 'date and time' say just 'an'. Haven't seen that since.

I haven't shot a lot of video, but have noticed some video's that are out of focus on the 5x, but maybe the shooters perspective, setup. I noticed in your first video above, the deer is out of focus, but the grass behind the deer looks to be in focus.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 04:27 PM

Originally Posted By: DavidK
Interesting on the firmware not being there, hope they put up the new stuff.

Other than issues already being identified in the X-Sight thread from Sachal, how are you doing on batteries? I tried 3 different types of rechargeables, no go. They don't last 15 minutes. I'm now running Energizer Lithium Ultimate's. Haven't checked to see how long they last, but much longer than the rechargeables.

I also have a problem where the menu items words/letters get messed up. I had the 'date and time' say just 'an'. Haven't seen that since.

I haven't shot a lot of video, but have noticed some video's that are out of focus on the 5x, but maybe the shooters perspective, setup. I noticed in your first video above, the deer is out of focus, but the grass behind the deer looks to be in focus.


yup it is difficult to focus on one object looking through the view finder at least for me.

I have been using cheap Rayovac I got them on holiday sale they last about 2 hours with wifi on.

I never had the issue with the text.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 04:47 PM

How to update your firmware:



If you have tried everything to playback your recorded files on a Windows PC and still cant get sound or smooth video, try converting the file:



5-18x Night video demonstration - Cloudy night / 92% humidity / 50 degrees light wind



Best settings that I have found thus far:

Resolution of camera system at 720p @ 60 FPS to reduce lag on viewfinder or screen squiggle when panning
Low light amplification
Energizer Advanced or Ultimate Lithium batteries
Wifi / GPS / Geotagging OFF

Thus far the best distance I can achieve with the 5-18x at night with a UNV20IR is 180 - 200 yards. After 200 yards the light falls off and it is too dark for me to take a safe shot with cows and other structure on property.

HTXH
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 05:42 PM

What size is the lens I would like to by a flip cover for mine I do not like the rubber cove.
Posted By: garbs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 05:54 PM

The new firmware seems to be up with version 1.8.00.200.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: garbs
The new firmware seems to be up with version 1.8.00.200.


Woohooo it is there can anyone download and install and report back im still at work.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 06:08 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
What size is the lens I would like to by a flip cover for mine I do not like the rubber cove.


63.42 mm , probably go with a 62mm
doing my update now.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
What size is the lens I would like to by a flip cover for mine I do not like the rubber cove.


63.42 mm , probably go with a 62mm
doing my update now.


let us know what gets resolved with the update.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 06:25 PM

How long has the upgrade (firmware) taken you guys in the pst? Im tuck @ 100% showing and the % also right above it on the screen . Scared to even touch the damn thing...
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 06:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
How long has the upgrade (firmware) taken you guys in the pst? Im tuck @ 100% showing and the % also right above it on the screen . Scared to even touch the damn thing...


damn don't touch it I hope you have good batteries in it.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 06:32 PM

Yup just dropped a brand new set in before hand.
still stuck, might call atn and see whats going on before the battery runs out
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 06:33 PM

yeah look at the video above he has recorded a firmware update if I remember correctly it is supposed to power cycle.


If you have issues I may wait till after my hunt before upgrading.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 06:54 PM

Got it.
Compass, speedometer, altitude adressed in this firmware update.
Recticle still wandering
Now up to 10x on the zoom

On the update if it gets stuck @ 100% ATN stated to try to power down with the hard button. If tht dowsnt work (in my case) pull the batteries and wait 30 seconds, pull sd card. power back up and it will update.

Now showing firmware v200 on mine.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 06:56 PM

awesome what about the flicker and range finder and did it reset the cross hairs to zero??
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 07:18 PM

Note: I don't think a rangefinder was ever part of the deal.

If the wandering reticle wasn't fixed on this go around, that is disappointing, let alone getting the reticle on the recording.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
Note: I don't think a rangefinder was ever part of the deal.

If the wandering reticle wasn't fixed on this go around, that is disappointing, let alone getting the reticle on the recording.



lol why did I think this thing had a range finder? I meant fish finder!
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 08:12 PM

Dammit, a fishfinder? I got ripped off.... roflmao
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 08:24 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
awesome what about the flicker and range finder and did it reset the cross hairs to zero??



Yes it did reset mine back to factory on the cross hairs but the rest of my settings stayed the same..
If you wrote down or remembered your x/y values then just set them back to where they were at and its back to where you zeroed.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 08:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
awesome what about the flicker and range finder and did it reset the cross hairs to zero??



Yes it did reset mine back to factory on the cross hairs but the rest of my settings stayed the same..
If you wrote down or remembered your x/y values then just set them back to where they were at and its back to where you zeroed.


and the fish finder? What about the cross hairs on recorded video or flicker on night mode?
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 08:39 PM

Mine still has a flicker in night mode, but a lot less often. It flickers every few seconds rather than constantly which is a big improvement but not there yet.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyb79
Mine still has a flicker in night mode, but a lot less often. It flickers every few seconds rather than constantly which is a big improvement but not there yet.


can you post a video I don't know if the fixes would be worth it as I have a hunt coming up in a week.


here is the old flicker for comparison

Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
can you post a video I don't know if the fixes would be worth it as I have a hunt coming up in a week.


Just reset your x/y back to where they were at before the upgrade, you will be fine. If your that worried about it then wait until you get back to do the upgrade. I dont see an issue with using it either way.

NO RETICLE in the videos, just did it and no joy. same as before.

Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 08:50 PM

I updated, here is what I see

On first try, says 'battery too low to perform operation', I put in another set, same message.

Powered down again and then does the update, it stops at saying '100%', you cannot power down or do anything, must remove the batteries. Reformat the card, put back in an power up and let it finish the install.

It comes up with the compass at the top of the screen, that appears to be working. The GPS is able to turn on now, I will try the altitude to see if it works.

The flicker in night mode is still there, that sucks, one of the main issues that needed to be worked on first. (ATN, when are we going to see this fixed? Out of all issues, the highest priority in my book as well as getting the crosshairs to output to video)

Will try a video recording and see if the crosshairs are there, but think ATN said next month for that.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 08:56 PM

GPS, compass and altimeter are working.

No crosshairs in recorded video.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 09:49 PM

A reputable user running the latest firmware in the UK intends to test POI tracking tomorrow. I'll let you know what he reports.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
A reputable user running the latest firmware in the UK intends to test POI tracking tomorrow. I'll let you know what he reports.



Awesome.. I would update but I'm hunting next Friday im afraid even with the numbers there is a chance the firmware changes something where the poi is different. I'm not willing to take that chance and wound a deer.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/30/14 10:21 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
Originally Posted By: jimmyb79
Mine still has a flicker in night mode, but a lot less often. It flickers every few seconds rather than constantly which is a big improvement but not there yet.


can you post a video I don't know if the fixes would be worth it as I have a hunt coming up in a week.




Apologies, but for whatever reason, having just gone outside to record the video, the flicker is back to where it was before, no improvement at all. Earlier on this evening it was definitely flickering less often, but clearly its now settled back into its old ways!
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 01:40 PM

Just bought the UNV20 from the Ultimate NightVision I hope it arrives in time for the hunt on jan 9th.

Does anyone know anything about these are they any good?
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 01:58 PM

It'll double the usable range x2 over the included IR light that comes with the X-sight.

It uses an 18650 power cell which you might want to order an extra set in the unlikely event that one goes bad or you lose one while in the field.

They are very nice IR units, where are you hunting on the 9th?
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 02:03 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
It'll double the usable range x2 over the included IR light that comes with the X-sight.

It uses an 18650 power cell which you might want to order an extra set in the unlikely event that one goes bad or you lose one while in the field.

They are very nice IR units, where are you hunting on the 9th?



i'm going hunting at pierce ranch I do it every year its pricey at $1200 including tip but I have always left with an animal. here is there website http://www.karankawa.com/priceh.htm

HOG (Nov. thru Feb.)
Cabin Hunt:
Includes: Cabin (w/kitchen, bath, beds and heat), morning and afternoon hunts, field dressing of game, transportation to and from blinds.
Three hunters per guide.
$200.00 per hunter per day
(Minimum of 2 hunters for two days required)
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 02:11 PM

I've got a doe hunt this weekend. Plan on shooting all of them with the x-sight and getting some good video. I can also shoot as many pigs as I see so hoping to have so good video for ya'll soon.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 02:12 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
I've got a doe hunt this weekend. Plan on shooting all of them with the x-sight and getting some good video. I can also shoot as many pigs as I see so hoping to have so good video for ya'll soon.


Awesome please post videos
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 02:50 PM

Bought batteries in anticipation of a hunt in the next couple of weeks.

30 bucks for a couple of sets of Energizer Lithium sick

Just when gas and corn are going back down now between the X-sight and the Pulsar thermal monocular I may need a part time job to feed those hungry suckers.

Good luck on your hunts guys
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 02:51 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
Bought batteries in anticipation of a hunt in the next couple of weeks.

30 bucks for a couple of sets of Energizer Lithium sick

Just when gas and corn are going back down now between the X-sight and the Pulsar thermal monocular I may need a part time job to feed those hungry suckers.

Good luck on your hunts guys


lol
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 03:00 PM

I don't know if this was a deal or not but I got a 12 pack of Energizer Ultimate Lithium's for $19.99 at Sam's.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs


It uses an 18650 power cell which you might want to order an extra set in the unlikely event that one goes bad or you lose one while in the field.



For 18650 batteries, buy those with Panosonic cells, should be green, anything else like the Chinese cells are mostly junk. I have an analyzer and measured all my 18650 battery capacities, the 5000mah batteries measured 1000mah and less, I did have one 3000mah battery that measured 1600, the rest measured less than 700mah. I now have Panosonic cells rated at 3400mah cells and they all measure at least 3400.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 03:09 PM

Originally Posted By: DavidK
Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs


It uses an 18650 power cell which you might want to order an extra set in the unlikely event that one goes bad or you lose one while in the field.



For 18650 batteries, buy those with Panosonic cells, should be green, anything else like the Chinese cells are mostly junk. I have an analyzer and measured all my 18650 battery capacities, the 5000mah batteries measured 1000mah and less, I did have one 3000mah battery that measured 1600, the rest measured less than 700mah. I now have Panosonic cells rated at 2400mah cells and they all measure at least 2400.


link to what you are talking about?
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 03:24 PM

apparently the zero\zoom issue has been fixed in V200 firmware according to the UK guys

"Well folks been out and tested the X-Sight with the new firmware (version 200) and I'm happy to say the issue has been resolved".
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: DavidK
apparently the zero\zoom issue has been fixed in V200 firmware according to the UK guys

"Well folks been out and tested the X-Sight with the new firmware (version 200) and I'm happy to say the issue has been resolved".


Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Got it.
Compass, speedometer, altitude adressed in this firmware update.
Recticle still wandering
Now up to 10x on the zoom

On the update if it gets stuck @ 100% ATN stated to try to power down with the hard button. If tht dowsnt work (in my case) pull the batteries and wait 30 seconds, pull sd card. power back up and it will update.

Now showing firmware v200 on mine.


I thought that was tested here and found to be still an issue?
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
Originally Posted By: DavidK
Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs


It uses an 18650 power cell which you might want to order an extra set in the unlikely event that one goes bad or you lose one while in the field.



For 18650 batteries, buy those with Panosonic cells, should be green, anything else like the Chinese cells are mostly junk. I have an analyzer and measured all my 18650 battery capacities, the 5000mah batteries measured 1000mah and less, I did have one 3000mah battery that measured 1600, the rest measured less than 700mah. I now have Panosonic cells rated at 3400mah cells and they all measure at least 3400.


link to what you are talking about?


I meant to say mine are 3400, they aren't cheap, but highly worthwhile

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-NEW-PANASONIC-...=item5af57fba11
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 03:30 PM

Originally Posted By: DavidK
apparently the zero\zoom issue has been fixed in V200 firmware according to the UK guys

"Well folks been out and tested the X-Sight with the new firmware (version 200) and I'm happy to say the issue has been resolved".


Sourced from : http://www.nightvisionforumuk.com (registration required to view content)
User : Marky 610

Here is the full post:

We folks been out and tested the X-Sight with the new firmware (version 200) and I'm happy to say the issue has been resolved.

Tested at 50mt using my 22lr on three target markers 3/4" in diameter, one a 1x digie mag, one at 2x digie mag and one at 3x digie mag. Recorded it all but the file corrupted whilst uploading it to the laptop, bloody good job I photographed the target.



Had you have seen the video there are two shots in the bull on 3x mag but the sticker fell off, I replaced it for the picture.

Couldn't go much past 3x mag as I lost the reticle out the top of the screen, still got around 18x true mag more than enough for anyone.

Zero coordinates are x=31 y=-53
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 03:32 PM

ah the loosing zero on magnification
Posted By: Annihilator

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 03:38 PM

Not sure about that one...I tried my pulsar 915IR with the X-sight and got a digital camo look which was hard to see thru...Keep us informed on your UNV20...very interested..
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Annihilator
Not sure about that one...I tried my pulsar 915IR with the X-sight and got a digital camo look which was hard to see thru...Keep us informed on your UNV20...very interested..


link if you are interested

http://www.ultimatenightvision.com/20-IR-Infrared-LED-Illuminator-Flashlight-p/unv-20ir.htm
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Annihilator
Not sure about that one...I tried my pulsar 915IR with the X-sight and got a digital camo look which was hard to see thru...Keep us informed on your UNV20...very interested..


welcome

I am not 100 % positive but I am fairly confident that the Pulsar 915IR is a laser based unit. Pulsar has been known to insert a diffuser in their laser IR units in order to comply with eye safe laws.

An example is their N750 Digisight which uses a laser IR onboard with the diffuser, it creates a "screen door" effect on the image. With other IR systems the N750 digisight looks much clearer/cleaner. Reference the video below.



Minute mark 2:34 right side image is built in laser IR of Digisight N750

compare to minute mark 3:48 right side image which is an LED based IR system

Is this what your X-sight looked like using the 915IR?


Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 04:34 PM

so it looks like the only think that change is e compass? and I tought we are getting rangefinder with this scope? btw i got about 4 hours on energizer lithium, also what color are your buttons?
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: ChrismNJ
so it looks like the only think that change is e compass? and I tought we are getting rangefinder with this scope? btw i got about 4 hours on energizer lithium, also what color are your buttons?


we already discussed this. It was a fish finder that was promised.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 04:48 PM

Originally Posted By: ChrismNJ
so it looks like the only think that change is e compass? and I tought we are getting rangefinder with this scope? btw i got about 4 hours on energizer lithium, also what color are your buttons?


welcome

I think the first 200 units ATN received from China had black buttons with pre-174 firmware loaded.

Recent deliveries are red buttons.

Besides E-compass, a HUGE change was made to fixing the wandering POI that was seeminly introduced with 174 firmware.

I tested 173 firmware and it tracked fine and another user just verified 200 is back on track.

So what firmware do you have and what color are your buttons?
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 04:56 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
Originally Posted By: ChrismNJ
so it looks like the only think that change is e compass? and I tought we are getting rangefinder with this scope? btw i got about 4 hours on energizer lithium, also what color are your buttons?


welcome

I think the first 200 units ATN received from China had black buttons with pre-174 firmware loaded.

Recent deliveries are red buttons.

Besides E-compass, a HUGE change was made to fixing the wandering POI that was seeminly introduced with 174 firmware.

I tested 173 firmware and it tracked fine and another user just verified 200 is back on track.

So what firmware do you have and what color are your buttons?


thank you been reading this forum for about a year now, good people here.
installed the 1.8.00.200 yesterday, buttons on my are red, reticle still goes out of picture on zoom
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 05:02 PM

Wish mine had red buttons.
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 05:03 PM

But flickering stoped at least in a day mode
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 05:10 PM

Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 05:16 PM

yeah I have black buttons also.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 05:39 PM

Maybe I got an oddball but the reticle is still wandering but have that issue resolved anyway so no big deal. Laser bore sighter and a shim here and all is well.
Red buttons with the 174 firmware as shipped to me. Upgraded to v200 yesterday.
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 06:17 PM

Overall im happy with it
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 07:15 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
Originally Posted By: ChrismNJ
so it looks like the only think that change is e compass? and I tought we are getting rangefinder with this scope? btw i got about 4 hours on energizer lithium, also what color are your buttons?


we already discussed this. It was a fish finder that was promised.


Besides a range finder needs a laser of sorts to even operate. The x-sight doesnt have the capabilities to do this in its current build configuration.
I still think I got ripped on the fishfinder.. confused2
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 07:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
Originally Posted By: ChrismNJ
so it looks like the only think that change is e compass? and I tought we are getting rangefinder with this scope? btw i got about 4 hours on energizer lithium, also what color are your buttons?


we already discussed this. It was a fish finder that was promised.


Besides a range finder needs a laser of sorts to even operate. The x-sight doesnt have the capabilities to do this in its current build configuration.
I still think I got ripped on the fishfinder.. confused2


true, but dont forget it is quality scope on the budget
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 07:50 PM

Here is an odd one I just updated I remember I was able to adjust crosshairs position with the phone now the option is gone.

Never mind it not there on the iOS ap but it is there on the android app
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 08:29 PM

So I just checked they did put the cross hair adjustment in the android app. So the question I ask is how much harder would have it been to allow you to record from the app with the cross hairs as a backup feature? Also has anyone checked the hdmi out if the cross hairs are there that could be another option using a mini dvr
Posted By: bonzman17

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 08:55 PM

Stupid question I think I may have gotten a with a bad sd card reader. I can not get the card in. Just so I am sure what way should the text of the sd card face toward the rear of the scope or toward the front. Thanks.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 08:58 PM

Originally Posted By: bonzman17
Stupid question I think I may have gotten a with a bad sd card reader. I can not get the card in. Just so I am sure what way should the text of the sd card face toward the rear of the scope or toward the front. Thanks.


Away from the eyepiece
Posted By: bonzman17

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 09:03 PM

Thanks got it but it does not want to stay down is this a spring loaded retainer?
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 09:28 PM

Push in with a penny
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 09:32 PM

+1 for the pen also you migh need to format the card before use
Posted By: bonzman17

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 12/31/14 09:34 PM

was sucessful by holding it in but the fact of the matter is that this makes the recording feature inoperable.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 01:00 AM

I got have a question. Right now I'm thinking I might have to return my scope. I tried to sight my rifle in today and started at 50 yards. My rounds were hitting about 6-7 feet left of the target and I couldn't move the cross hairs over that far. My scope is completely locked down to my rifle but the scope is facing noticeably off to the right which would explain the extreme left POI. I made sure all the screws were tight on the mount and noticed that the mount itself is screwed into the scope crooked. So do I need to return the scope to have the mount fixed?
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
I got have a question. Right now I'm thinking I might have to return my scope. I tried to sight my rifle in today and started at 50 yards. My rounds were hitting about 6-7 feet left of the target and I couldn't move the cross hairs over that far. My scope is completely locked down to my rifle but the scope is facing noticeably off to the right which would explain the extreme left POI. I made sure all the screws were tight on the mount and noticed that the mount itself is screwed into the scope crooked. So do I need to return the scope to have the mount fixed?


Yes return it. Take photos prior to shipping it.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 01:51 AM

You won't void the warranty by removing the scope from the mount and reversing it or checking for alignment problems and remounting.

Might save a wait if it is something simple that was assembled wrong.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 01:58 AM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
You won't void the warranty by removing the scope from the mount and reversing it or checking for alignment problems and remounting.

Might save a wait if it is something simple that was assembled wrong.


I thought the little key was the only part of the mount that was reversible?
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 01:58 AM

Well that stinks but that confirms what I was thinking I needed to do. I might try to unscrew the mount to see if it's something I can take care of but I'm thinking the pre-drilled holes in the bottom of the scope are off and it will never be correct.

Thanks again!
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 02:08 AM

6 or 7 FEET?!? smirk
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 02:12 AM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
You won't void the warranty by removing the scope from the mount and reversing it or checking for alignment problems and remounting.

Might save a wait if it is something simple that was assembled wrong.


I thought the little key was the only part of the mount that was reversible?



It is the ony part that is reverseable. When you take the key out you will also have a flat head screw in there that also secures the mount to the scope. You can not reverse the mount without leaving that screw out.
Do you have a way to measure it to see for sure its off?
If its so noticeable that you can see it with your bare eyes then it is an issue and I would be on the horn with ATN.
If your mount had the hold down nuts on the left as you look at it from behind then it is mounted right from the factory. I dont see where reversing it would do you any good, but then again wht do I know?
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 03:06 PM

Originally Posted By: ChrismNJ



I would remove your rear sight and move the scope back, no reason to have that flip-up sight on there with the scope on there. To shoot it the way you have it, you'll pretty much have to collapse your stock all the way, which wouldn't be optimal. Just my thought.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 06:02 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
6 or 7 FEET?!? smirk


Yes I've never seen anything like it. I will try to get some pics of it so ya'll can see.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
You won't void the warranty by removing the scope from the mount and reversing it or checking for alignment problems and remounting.

Might save a wait if it is something simple that was assembled wrong.


I thought the little key was the only part of the mount that was reversible?



It is the ony part that is reverseable. When you take the key out you will also have a flat head screw in there that also secures the mount to the scope. You can not reverse the mount without leaving that screw out.
Do you have a way to measure it to see for sure its off?
If its so noticeable that you can see it with your bare eyes then it is an issue and I would be on the horn with ATN.
If your mount had the hold down nuts on the left as you look at it from behind then it is mounted right from the factory. I dont see where reversing it would do you any good, but then again wht do I know?


Yea I think if it were reversible it would be about 6-7 feet to the right. I will be contacting ATN and I will get some pics of it so ya'll can see how far off it is. Starting to think I should've stayed with the Sightmark Photon XT because I never had a single issue with it.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Yea I think if it were reversible it would be about 6-7 feet to the right. I will be contacting ATN and I will get some pics of it so ya'll can see how far off it is. Starting to think I should've stayed with the Sightmark Photon XT because I never had a single issue with it.


As a sidenote. Are you sure that your rail is straight? Just a thought.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Yea I think if it were reversible it would be about 6-7 feet to the right. I will be contacting ATN and I will get some pics of it so ya'll can see how far off it is. Starting to think I should've stayed with the Sightmark Photon XT because I never had a single issue with it.


As a sidenote. Are you sure that your rail is straight? Just a thought.


100%.....One of the earlier posts I said that the mount on the bottom of the scope was drilled into the scope crooked.

Rifle is a Bushmaster AR-15 ORC.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 07:40 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Yea I think if it were reversible it would be about 6-7 feet to the right. I will be contacting ATN and I will get some pics of it so ya'll can see how far off it is. Starting to think I should've stayed with the Sightmark Photon XT because I never had a single issue with it.


As a sidenote. Are you sure that your rail is straight? Just a thought.


100%.....One of the earlier posts I said that the mount on the bottom of the scope was drilled into the scope crooked.

Rifle is a Bushmaster AR-15 ORC.


I understand that you had said that the mount was off , I was just curious as to the rail being straight on the weapon. I have seen a few that the barrel wasnt exactly inline with the upper rail was all. I have mostly seen this on the free floaters and I think only one that wasnt.
I imagine youve already done this as well but have you checked the mount to the scope itself and made sure it was tight? Also when you loosen the mount how much free play is there and is it possible to adjust it out? Mine had enough to get about 20 moa out of it and the rest I shimmed out on the right rear to finish correcting it.
If its that bad off I would do as I said earlier and get on the phone w/ ATN and get a replacement sent.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 08:50 PM

The mount to the scope itself is what I'm talking about. The pre-drilled holes into the bottom of the scope are not straight up and down with the scope. So when the scope mount is screwed into the bottom of the scope it is at an angle.

Rifle rail is not in question at all. I've had two other different scopes on this rifle with zero issue.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 08:58 PM

Here is a cool find http://www.storacell.net

I bought an 8 holder for the cr123

Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/01/15 10:49 PM

My scope isn't that straight on the rail of my rifle. When zeroed, the reticle is quite far over to the left of the screen. Is there a way to straighten it up a bit?
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 01:23 AM

I upgraded my scope to the latest firmware and did a comparison test of zero coordinates.

On previous version 174 the following x/y values were observed:

1.0x mag = x -11 y -22 / 2.0x mag = x -12 y -25 / 3.0x mag = x - 14 y -30 / 4.0x mag = x -15 y - 34

After the update to firmware 200 the following x/values are observed:

1.0x mag = x -11 y -22 / 2.0x mag = x -21 y -42 / 3.0x mag = x - 32 y -64 / 4.0x mag = x -45 y - 90

So based on the above I would say that users on 174 should update immediately for safety based on different x/y values, the latest test of POI tracking through zoom conducted by the UK user indicates the math is correct in version 200.

HTXH
Posted By: Wildone

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 11:29 AM

I purchased the X-Sight 5x18 on Tuesday of this week. Yeh I had a 100 questions and the ATN web site was useless and uninformative. Glad I found this forum and you guys's posts/ comments as they have been very helpful in answering my questions. Thanks guys. At first I was stunned at how fast it would drain batteries but have since shut things off and am able to get about 4.5 hours on the alkaline batteries. I will be looking into the lithium batteries though. Going to mount it on one of my rifles today and attempt to bore site it in as soon as I decide which one. Going on a hog hunt in south Georgia the end of this month and this scope is going to come in handy. Not impressed with the included IR Illuminator, doesn't seem to be any adjustment in brightness or focus. Probably will be making a call about it in the next few days. Anyone have any idea about how the scope holds up to moisture and temps? and what the limits are?
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 02:59 PM

Before you start shooting with it, just have a look at the underside and see if your mount is straight. I tried mine today with the new firmware and have noticed that the mount is a good few millimetres away from being straight, hence why I cannot get the crosshairs onto the target. The screw holes on the underside have clearly not been machined in the right place.
I'm pretty much done with this scope now and mine's going back.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 03:22 PM

Any chance you would post pictures of this misaligned mounts? It might be helpful when others need to resolve this problem.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 04:37 PM

Sure thing. This photo shows it quite clearly. Given the way the mount is fixed to the scope there is no apparent way to adjust it and straighten it up.

Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 04:40 PM

Thanks. Wow...

Black buttons, or red?
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: jimmyb79
Sure thing. This photo shows it quite clearly. Given the way the mount is fixed to the scope there is no apparent way to adjust it and straighten it up.




Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 04:48 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs


roflmao rofl
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 05:15 PM

Mine are red buttons. I've taken the mount off to see if there's any adjustment to be made but the screw holes are where they are sadly.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 05:26 PM

I am working a recall/ exchange on my 3x for the "forthcoming" (I hope) manual focus model. I need to send an email today requesting confirmation that they have received my unit. Maybe I will mention something about misaligned mounts in my email. I definitely don't have any intent to go through all of this again with a second unit.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 05:27 PM

HuntTXhogs, since you have several X-Sights, are you able to confirm any of yours are crooked like that?
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 06:01 PM

Wow those are off, mine are off also, but not much, may be able to sight in correctly, this is really poor quality work on the mount, these should all be CNC machined, so you would think they would be straight, especially just hole placement, but depending on the setup on the machines, not always the case. I would suggest that everyone check theirs looking from the bottom of they scope.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 06:14 PM

If the holes were straight down the middle of the scope, it would make the moving reticle issue a much lesser problem, but for me, my crosshairs would be all the way over to the left and any magnification would lose them straightaway. I suppose they may have changed CNC settings for different batches? Maybe I'm just unlucky!
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 06:32 PM

No, you're not the first to say that. Mine are not straight either. But I haven't shot mine yet, and I have mine mounted on my Airforce Condor, so will only be shooting short distances and won't matter, but if I decide to mount on something else it may become an issue.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 06:42 PM

Depending on how far off they are, it might make short distances worse. I could get zeroed on a target at 50 yards, but bringing it in today to 30 yards, I just could get the crosshairs over enough to get on target. Its a shame they couldn't have designed a mount with a bit of adjustment in it to get it straight.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 06:57 PM

I would rather have the mount with no adjustment, that way it can't move, how hard is it to machine and thread a couple of holes, straight? lol
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 07:27 PM

Thats a fair point!
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 07:47 PM

New case

Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 09:34 PM

This probably seems trivial in the face of all of this...but does anyone know if the hex-shaped nuts on the mount are removable, or are they captured/ pinned? It might be kind of nice if you could put standard AR carry handle knurled/ round "thumb nuts" on instead.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 11:18 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
This probably seems trivial in the face of all of this...but does anyone know if the hex-shaped nuts on the mount are removable, or are they captured/ pinned? It might be kind of nice if you could put standard AR carry handle knurled/ round "thumb nuts" on instead.


Why would you want to do that? Hand tight? They need to have torque on them to be able to handle recoil so the scope doesn't move..
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 11:19 PM

So...?
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/02/15 11:26 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
HuntTXhogs, since you have several X-Sights, are you able to confirm any of yours are crooked like that?


I have two X-sights and they are straight



rifle
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/03/15 01:53 AM

lol, can't say putting a scope on a table is a measure of level unless it is level, both the table and the lens it is resting on, but the mount does look pretty straight from the picture
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/03/15 05:12 AM

Originally Posted By: DavidK
lol, can't say putting a scope on a table is a measure of level unless it is level, both the table and the lens it is resting on, but the mount does look pretty straight from the picture


All is square in love and war...

Or is it all is fair?

Either way the table is level and the face of the xsight lens is true
Posted By: Wildone

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/03/15 10:37 AM

I bore sighted my rifle yesterday (BPM .223/5.56)At 50 yards reticle was 3 feet right and 1 foot low. After adjustment reticle was left of center on the screen and when zoomed, it disappears off the upper left of the screen like many of you have described. For me the minimum magnification is fine for 100 to 150 yds. I did check the mount on the scope and it appears to be straight although I did not put a straight edge or level on it. I'm thinking I may try to shim the scope/mount and re-sight to get the cross hairs closer to the center of the screen. I thought I read earlier in this thread that the latest update corrected this issue. Oh well, raining here today so won't be working on the rifle. Damn...I hope I am not the only one who wakes up at 4:00 in the morning thinking about how best to sight in a rifle scope.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/03/15 05:34 PM

IF USPS ever gets here with a part needed for my undergassed and lethargic 30 RaR then I intend to go shoot the living snot out of some targets today.

But you can't count on USPS for nothing so.....
Posted By: Techna

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/03/15 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Wildone
Damn...I hope I am not the only one who wakes up at 4:00 in the morning thinking about how best to sight in a rifle scope.

You're not. I woke up early thinking that since I'd like a slight riser on mine, I wonder if I should machine an aluminum spacer to place between the sight body and mount. I then thought that if I'm going to do that, I might as well make it windage adjustable to better match the centered reticle with POI so that zooming is less of an issue. That led to thinking about building in some cant to the spacer if needed so that I could do the same with elevation at a given yardage. Of course that made me think about adapting the whole thing to a better mount with return to zero QD capability, and all of THAT means that I didn't get the sleep I needed.

Full disclosure: I haven even shot mine yet, so I have no idea if any of that crap is even relevant.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/03/15 07:20 PM

These will be your best friend when you get around to playing with it.


Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/03/15 10:40 PM

On 4 ar-15 platforms (all psa uppers) I got the elevation issue down to zero with a .0143" shim mounted to the scope itself in between the scope and the mount. I would imagine that a .014 or .015 would have gotten it close enough but I wanted zero so after several hours cutting stock down to size thats what I ended up with.
To start with I had an x setting of 113 which in turn the cross hairs will walk at 2.5 mag and at 3 mag the crosshairs are gone to lala land. After the above shim it matches the factory reset of the crosshairs.

To do this as most already know here you will have to dismunt the mount from the scope and shim the appropriate end. In my case it was the rear.

You can do this easier than I did just by getting a set of feeler gauges and loosen your mount just a hair to where you can slide the feelers in between to get a rough estimate as to how much you will have to shim for elevation. Remember to also loosen the set screw underneath the reversable latch.

As to windage it was easier than what I initially thought. At first it had a y setting of 63. While you have the screws loose for the elevation adjustment you will also notice that you have a little wiggle room and in my case I was able to adjust to a y setting of 2.

Ive been playing with this for several weeks and for now it seems to be my best bet as to getting the scope initially aligned with the bore of the weapon. I would imagine that ATN will come out with a software fix for the reticle in the future that fixes the walking problem but you still need to start out as close to in line with the bore as possible.

None of this may help you in your case but Ive done 4 in my area this week and all have been doing well so far
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 12:01 AM

Huh. OK...here's what I don't get: when you remove...then re-torque...the cap screws for the mount, what keeps the mount in new adjusted position?
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Huh. OK...here's what I don't get: when you remove...then re-torque...the cap screws for the mount, what keeps the mount in new adjusted position?


bang
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 03:58 PM

Is there a problem? I asked a question.

I get it. You loosened the mount so you had side-to-side "wiggle room." I get it. My question was: once you have loosened those, how did you "adjust windage" like you claimed? With the X-Sight on the rifle, on a loose mount?

I asked a question. Isn't that what we do here? Or not? I am confused. I noticed HuntTX was criticized/ ridiculed for his attempt to prove his mount was straight by using his table. Maybe I am wrong about the purpose of this forum. I'd ask if I was right, but I am not sure I am going to get a constructive answer. confused2

In a scope that is claimed to be able to handle at LEAST .308 recoil levels, ANY side-to-side "wiggle room" is bad. BAD. You might think you have it tight, but you will be constantly grappling with windage settings because of that. The mount should NOT be adjustable, either by design or by accident. It should be straight. Period.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 04:27 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Is there a problem? I asked a question.
I asked a question. Isn't that what we do here? Or not? I am confused. I noticed HuntTX was criticized/ ridiculed for his attempt to prove his mount was straight by using his table. Maybe I am wrong about the purpose of this forum. I'd ask if I was right, but I am not sure I am going to get a constructive answer. confused2


Morning s6226

You misread the remark by DavidK, he and I are familiar with eachother while on the surface it may have appeared to be a criticism it wasn't received as such.

Just want to clear that up -

texas
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 04:33 PM

Thanks. My mistake. I'd still like to know the sorcery involved in straightening a crooked mount by loosening and re-tightening some screws. Waiting...
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 05:34 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Thanks. My mistake. I'd still like to know the sorcery involved in straightening a crooked mount by loosening and re-tightening some screws. Waiting...


No sorcery involved just a little time and patience with some good ol fashioned range time.

On the x-sights that are noticably out as shown earlier in the post there isnt much hope IMO without sending it back. On the ones that are just a little out as was mine you will notice that when you start to loosen the mount that it has notable side to side play.Using a laser bore sighter (mine is a sl-500)I would imagine any of them will do though.Leave the screws slightly loose and mount the scope you will notice how the reticle will move. Bring in over until it matches the dot. measure the alignment , take scope off set it to the measurement you just took tighten. go to the range and do the finall zero. You will still have reticle walk at the higher mags but not as bad being that you are getting the scope as close to being inline with the bore as possible and not adjusting the reticle as much. This is no different than a standard day scope. you want to adjust as little as possible.
This does not fix the issue with the reticle walk but calms it down for those that feel the need for higher mags. It still needs to be addressed by ATN.
Posted By: ddr225

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 06:10 PM

I am new to the digital scope world. I just received my X Sight, downloaded the newest firmware,and just been checking it out as much as possible. I haven't figured out how to use all of the features yet. Is there no way to start recording video from the IOS or Android App?
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 06:32 PM

No functionality to record from the application
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
Originally Posted By: s6275
Is there a problem? I asked a question.
I asked a question. Isn't that what we do here? Or not? I am confused. I noticed HuntTX was criticized/ ridiculed for his attempt to prove his mount was straight by using his table. Maybe I am wrong about the purpose of this forum. I'd ask if I was right, but I am not sure I am going to get a constructive answer. confused2


Morning s6226

You misread the remark by DavidK, he and I are familiar with eachother while on the surface it may have appeared to be a criticism it wasn't received as such.

Just want to clear that up -

texas


lol, yep, I was messing with HTXH because he always goes in to detail, whereas I would have just put a straight edge along the mount to compare against the rest of the scope. Making me think about it, I need to take a picture of mine and post it up. It isn't too bad, but not sure what it will do at different ranges.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 07:29 PM

I looked at my scope mount, it was really close, I just loosened the mounting screws, there is a little bit of slop, I retorqued them down and the mount is now straight. Mine was only a little off, looking from the eyepiece end towards the lens, it was tilted to the right (bottom left, top right...figure I better say that or HTXH will catch it lol), but only a little, but doesn't take much to mess up sighting in and giving room for adjustment.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 07:51 PM

Originally Posted By: DavidK
figure I better say that or HTXH will catch it lol),


roflmao
He will. But you have to admit he is right 99% of the time though.
What where your windage settings before and after?



Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 08:42 PM

Originally Posted By: jimmyb79
Sure thing. This photo shows it quite clearly. Given the way the mount is fixed to the scope there is no apparent way to adjust it and straighten it up.




Just got back in town from a hunt. This is exactly what mine looks like from what I was telling ya'll the other day. I've got mine boxed up right now and going to get it exchanged hopefully.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/04/15 11:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: DavidK
figure I better say that or HTXH will catch it lol),


roflmao
He will. But you have to admit he is right 99% of the time though.
What where your windage settings before and after?





haven't sighted in yet
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/05/15 06:23 PM

Just so every one knows this one fits perfect

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GU6Q34/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/05/15 07:49 PM

size 48?
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/05/15 07:56 PM

Originally Posted By: DavidK
size 48?


yes
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/05/15 08:00 PM

I understand thru ATX customer forum on there facebook page that there is a new update coming out any day, They say its supposed to fix alot of issues. Just wanted to give you all heads up.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/05/15 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
I understand thru ATX customer forum on there facebook page that there is a new update coming out any day, They say its supposed to fix alot of issues. Just wanted to give you all heads up.


That's freakin sweet can you link the post?
Posted By: RONIN003

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/05/15 08:12 PM

Ok I have not updated mine as of yet...

But, have they given more reticle options? I would love to have a mil dot reticle option or how about allow us to disign and up load our own reticles to our scopes.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/05/15 08:14 PM

Originally Posted By: RONIN003
Ok I have not updated mine as of yet...

But, have they given more reticle options? I would love to have a mil dot reticle option or how about allow us to disign and up load our own reticles to our scopes.


same recticles... But that is an awesome idea I know on the Pulsar N550 the user could do just that. A lot of people put there name in text with the recticle editor.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/05/15 10:10 PM

Here is the discussion link https://apps.facebook.com/forumforpages/291695448008/0ee22588-978f-4e51-95bb-a7e45c5665ff/6
You may have to copy and past it in your browser.

It reads
"Well, mine has gone back today. Had a good chat with Scott Country and have also been asked to speak to the UK director of ATN which is promising. Apparently there is another firmware update due out any day now which will fix most if not all issues reported and make zeroing easier." by James Burchell
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/05/15 10:30 PM

I am that man above! I will be speaking to the UK director of ATN tomorrow and will pass on my own feedback on the scope. However, as above ATN have stated to Scott Country, the UK distributor that a new update is imminent and will fix the known issues and make the zeroing process easier. Hopefully we,re looking at the next day or two.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/05/15 10:44 PM

Originally Posted By: jimmyb79
I am that man above! I will be speaking to the UK director of ATN tomorrow and will pass on my own feedback on the scope. However, as above ATN have stated to Scott Country, the UK distributor that a new update is imminent and will fix the known issues and make the zeroing process easier. Hopefully we,re looking at the next day or two.


I hope it's before Friday im going hunting and would be a good test case scenario.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 05:05 PM

FYI from facebook today.....

"Have had a good chat with both Paul from Scott Country and The UK Director of ATN. The zeroing bug is essentially fixed and ATN are now in the process of coding it into an update. Should be fixed any time now and at any rate in the next couple of weeks."
Posted By: cabosandinh

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 05:09 PM

.200 firmware was released few days ago

my friends updated their 5-18x and said the reticle now stays fixed between zoom levels
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: cabosandinh
.200 firmware was released few days ago

my friends updated their 5-18x and said the reticle now stays fixed between zoom levels


Yes I know the .200 update was released 6 days ago on 12/31/14. I'm referring to another update.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: cabosandinh
.200 firmware was released few days ago

my friends updated their 5-18x and said the reticle now stays fixed between zoom levels


Not doubting you but for the most prt the reticle stills walks for people that have to make major zeroing adjustments. Im on a x of 9 and still have the walk.
Posted By: Shooter123

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 07:07 PM

With so much conversation about the Xsight, would anyone recommend it yet?
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 07:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Shooter123
With so much conversation about the Xsight, would anyone recommend it yet?


For the money and if you dont mind playing with it, yes If you want it completly finished and no "first edition" kinks No.
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 08:41 PM

Just got my 5-18 yesterday. Downloaded and then checked the firmware level and it was .200. Reticle stayed centered throughout the range of the zoom. Scope and mount appear to be properly aligned with one another. Day and night clarity out to about 100 yards was quite good. The IR Illuminator helped greatly. I did find the Quick Reference Guide and the on-line User's Manual to be sorely lacking in details about how to do certain things! Like, how do you take a picture or a video with the scope? I've got the resolution set where I want it, and can track around and set up either a still or video picture session, but I can't figure out how to "snap a picture," or "roll a video!" Seems like some step-by-step directions would sure be helpful to those of us who are technically challenged. Overall, I'm favorably impressed with what I've seen, and weather permitting, will be taking the scope out to the range on Thursday for its first "real world" workout.
Posted By: cabosandinh

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 08:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: cabosandinh
.200 firmware was released few days ago

my friends updated their 5-18x and said the reticle now stays fixed between zoom levels


Not doubting you but for the most prt the reticle stills walks for people that have to make major zeroing adjustments. Im on a x of 9 and still have the walk.


You don't have to doubt me, those were my customers reporting to me what they experienced

one told me that he has the unit with white buttons and he's not seeing as much problems as the
other customer with red buttons

tells me it could be hardware differences
Posted By: cabosandinh

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 08:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Shooter123
With so much conversation about the Xsight, would anyone recommend it yet?


for features and price , yes,,,, it's probably the best night vision at present
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: cabosandinh
Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: cabosandinh
.200 firmware was released few days ago

my friends updated their 5-18x and said the reticle now stays fixed between zoom levels


Not doubting you but for the most prt the reticle stills walks for people that have to make major zeroing adjustments. Im on a x of 9 and still have the walk.


You don't have to doubt me, those were my customers reporting to me what they experienced

one told me that he has the unit with white buttons and he's not seeing as much problems as the
other customer with red buttons

tells me it could be hardware differences



I haven't seen one with white buttons. Only red or black. Interesting.
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 09:08 PM

My brand new one has the white buttons rather than the red. Not certain what the difference is.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 09:40 PM

Probably nothing. Ran out of red buttons in China I imagine.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 09:45 PM

Any chance you could post a picture? I would be willing to buy that there have been hardware changes. The 3x I returned had black buttons, and was upgraded to v.200 and did not have smooth zoom like some others have described. Suspicious...
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 09:51 PM

As things stand, the reticle will stay fixed if you haven't yet changed the point of zero. If you change it in the zero settings, it'll move when you zoom. The next update will fix this, so I was told today.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 09:52 PM

Yea, I'd like to see it too
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 09:53 PM

That's interesting. On top of seeing a picture of one with white buttons, I'd also like to know who you spoke to. It might help keep things honest.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 10:03 PM

Originally Posted By: cabosandinh
Originally Posted By: Shooter123
With so much conversation about the Xsight, would anyone recommend it yet?


for features and price , yes,,,, it's probably the best night vision at present


Do you own an X-sight and what are your experiences with it? What customers tell you isn't what this thread is based upon.

Also Shooter123 was referring to pure night vision performance of the X-sight and there are other units which perform better at night in that they see further with the same amount of IR. When you state its presently the best night vision going is that within a certain range?

I would believe it to be the best option, 150 yards and in, IF they can solve the flickering.

Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 10:06 PM

That was another difference I noticed with my "black buttons" 3x - NO flickering in night mode at all. Evidence is starting to point to some (perhaps subtle and important) hardware changes. Yikes.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 10:24 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
That was another difference I noticed with my "black buttons" 3x - NO flickering in night mode at all. Evidence is starting to point to some (perhaps subtle and important) hardware changes. Yikes.


If there was a hardware change on the scope would be a rev number to help identify in case of a recall.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 10:40 PM

It seems like it, doesn't it?
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 11:06 PM

Here's mine.

Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 11:11 PM

Oh...those are like mine were: black buttons, white text. The ATN website depicts current models with red buttons/ white text.
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 11:22 PM

This was delivered to me yesterday, and already had the latest firmware installed.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 11:27 PM

Originally Posted By: mikei


At first you said you got white buttons

And I was like



But now I see

Yea they be black buttons like the first editions...
Posted By: Techna

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/06/15 11:37 PM


I'm pretty happy with the image quality from my 5X. This is obviously a screen capture of a shot displayed on my phone via the obsidian app. The furthest tree is between 80 and 90 yards out and is being illuminated by an IR converted T20. I have found that I get the best images when the light is mounted out to the end of the hand guard in an offset light mount. I think I was getting to much glare off of the top of the rail and suppressor when the illuminator was on the side of the sight.

I do have a question though. Is there any was to view images captured on the micro SD through the scope viewfinder? I have a selection for it in the menu but it does nothing when I highlight and select it.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 12:41 AM

Optics Planet, having formerly been presenting a 1-3 month shipping availability for the 3x X-Sight currently claims to have 1 in stock. Weird.

UPDATE: I am on a live chat with their customer service. He claims they got a small shipment of the 3x from ATN this week. I will update with any other details he can offer.

UPDATE 2: Well that was it. Still, it's promising. For those who missed out on the previously closed thread, here is a picture of a 3x equipped with manual focus. They are coming (maybe sooner than later?).


Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 12:51 AM

Guy I talked to yesterday from ATN said they were probably 5-6 weeks out on the new 3x model with the manual focus and sunshade
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 12:58 AM

Well, that means some poor sod is going to wind up with a return on his hands. Ah well.
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 01:47 AM

OK, HuntHog; I apologize for misleading you. They are black buttons with white markings on them. Didn't mean to confuse the issue.

So, now that the color of the buttons issue is resolved, how does a person go about actually taking a picture or video with his/her new ATN-Sight? Please give me a step-by-step process. I've got the latest firmware installed; I've got the resolution I want set up in the still shot and video mode. How do I take a picture or video now that I've got it all set up?
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 01:51 AM

Originally Posted By: mikei
OK, HuntHog; I apologize for misleading you. They are black buttons with white markings on them. Didn't mean to confuse the issue.

So, now that the color of the buttons issue is resolved, how does a person go about actually taking a picture or video with his/her new ATN-Sight? Please give me a step-by-step process. I've got the latest firmware installed; I've got the resolution I want set up in the still shot and video mode. How do I take a picture or video now that I've got it all set up?



Hope this helps

http://manual.atncorp.com/2-graphic-user-interface/2-1-3-photovideo-mode/
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 02:01 AM

I've got that manual on line, cyper, and have read it, but it doesn't tell me how to actually take a picture or a video? At least, as far as I can tell! What am I missing here? The Sight is turned on; the camera mode is selected; I have an image in the viewfinder that I would like to capture; what do I do?
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 02:27 AM

PRESS THE RIGHT ARROW DOWN UNTIL THE RED RECORD SYMBOL APPEARS IN UPPER LEFT OF SCREEN SAME TO STOP RECORDING AND I HAVE NO CLUE ON PICTURES
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 02:30 AM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
PRESS THE RIGHT ARROW DOWN UNTIL THE RED RECORD SYMBOL APPEARS IN UPPER LEFT OF SCREEN SAME TO STOP RECORDING AND I HAVE NO CLUE ON PICTURES


Example: Tap LEFT button to capture a photo.

Am I missing something the manual says how to do it. It even shows a picture.
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 12:28 PM

OK, my bad! I read that and thought it meant that pressing those buttons would put the scope into either photo or video mode. I was looking for step to do to actually make it take a pic or video. Thanks to both of you!
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By: mikei
OK, my bad! I read that and thought it meant that pressing those buttons would put the scope into either photo or video mode. I was looking for step to do to actually make it take a pic or video. Thanks to both of you!


No worries bud we are here to help -- how are you liking the new toy? I will head out Friday for a weekend hunt I will put it through its paces and report back.
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 05:10 PM

I'm liking it just fine! My fat little fingers cause a few problems in navigating the "button board" while looking through the scope, but that's not a scope issue, that's manual dexterity and lack of familiarity issues! I can see where trying to do much keyboarding with gloves on will be pretty much next to impossible for me. I also find that the adjustment ring for the focus is really hard to turn when sitting behind the scope and firearm. There's not enough room under the scope to wrap fingers around it, so the mechanical advantage provided to my beat up old hands is very small. Possibly it will loosen up over time. But I've found nothing that makes me wish I hadn't bought this scope, and the features and functions it provides, at the price point at which it provides them, is amazing.

Good luck on your hunt this weekend. The weather for us here in CenTex is pretty snotty for the weekend, so I hope you'll be able to avoid it. And, hunting in bad weather is a lot more fun than sitting in an office in good weather.
Posted By: Techna

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Techna


I do have a question though. Is there any was to view images captured on the micro SD through the scope viewfinder? I have a selection for it in the menu but it does nothing when I highlight and select it.

Anyone?
Posted By: DusterFlyer

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 05:42 PM

Took my ATN X 5-18x to the range yesterday afternoon/night. Shot about 50 rounds with it mounted on my DPMS LR .308. Also mounted was the illuminator that it came with and a Crimson Trace IR laser spot (with filter). Shot it in the day mode and night mode. X/Y were both about -50 at 100 yards. Reticle usable at 2.5x and off the screen at 3.0x. V.2.0 installed. Illuminator good out to 100 yards. At 200 yards there seems to be a gain issue where it closed down due to foreground illumination. If I hand covered the illuminator for a bit then uncovered it, I could see the target fine at 200 yds till the gain closed down again.
Now for the issue. Picture froze on 4 shots at the shot. At about half the shots the picture went out completely. The only way to recover the image was to reset by taking the battery cover off/on. This issue seems to be recoil related. I was shooting .308, 150 grain Monarch.
I must say I like the scope other than that. I have had all the issues previously reported too, and I think I can work around those, but the scope going out on the shot is unacceptable. I've emailed the dealer and will be in touch with ATN this afternoon. I would also like to say what a great combination I think the ATN x and the Crimson Trace are, even though it duplicates the targeting solution. I'm new a this but like the ATN a lot.
Posted By: cabosandinh

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: DusterFlyer
This issue seems to be recoil related. I was shooting .308, 150 grain Monarch.
I must say I like the scope other than that. I have had all the issues previously reported too, and I think I can work around those, but the scope going out on the shot is unacceptable. I've emailed the dealer and will be in touch with ATN this afternoon. I would also like to say what a great combination I think the ATN x and the Crimson Trace are, even though it duplicates the targeting solution. I'm new a this but like the ATN a lot.


on the shot freeze or screen blank out :

1. try a different battery brand/type ( I prefer Duracell Rechargeables AA )
2. screw the cap on a little tighter
3. clean contact points with alcohol
4. make sure scope and rail base are not loose, seen this happen after a few shots on Ruger SR 762 .308 and 5.56
put low strength loc-tite on screws (base to scope) then hand tighten
Posted By: cabosandinh

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 07:20 PM

Originally Posted By: cabosandinh
Originally Posted By: DusterFlyer
This issue seems to be recoil related. I was shooting .308, 150 grain Monarch.
I must say I like the scope other than that. I have had all the issues previously reported too, and I think I can work around those, but the scope going out on the shot is unacceptable. I've emailed the dealer and will be in touch with ATN this afternoon. I would also like to say what a great combination I think the ATN x and the Crimson Trace are, even though it duplicates the targeting solution. I'm new a this but like the ATN a lot.


on the shot freeze or screen blank out :

1. try a different battery brand/type ( I prefer Duracell Rechargeables AA )
2. screw the cap on a little tighter
3. clean contact points with alcohol
4. make sure scope and rail base are not loose, seen this happen after a few shots on Ruger SR 762 .308 and 5.56
put low strength loc-tite on screws (base to scope) then hand tighten



another possibility is your batteries are running low, check top right corner for blinking Battery icon
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 07:40 PM

Originally Posted By: DusterFlyer
Took my ATN X 5-18x to the range yesterday afternoon/night. Shot about 50 rounds with it mounted on my DPMS LR .308. Also mounted was the illuminator that it came with and a Crimson Trace IR laser spot (with filter). Shot it in the day mode and night mode. X/Y were both about -50 at 100 yards. Reticle usable at 2.5x and off the screen at 3.0x. V.2.0 installed. Illuminator good out to 100 yards. At 200 yards there seems to be a gain issue where it closed down due to foreground illumination. If I hand covered the illuminator for a bit then uncovered it, I could see the target fine at 200 yds till the gain closed down again.
Now for the issue. Picture froze on 4 shots at the shot. At about half the shots the picture went out completely. The only way to recover the image was to reset by taking the battery cover off/on. This issue seems to be recoil related. I was shooting .308, 150 grain Monarch.
I must say I like the scope other than that. I have had all the issues previously reported too, and I think I can work around those, but the scope going out on the shot is unacceptable. I've emailed the dealer and will be in touch with ATN this afternoon. I would also like to say what a great combination I think the ATN x and the Crimson Trace are, even though it duplicates the targeting solution. I'm new a this but like the ATN a lot.


Well DusterFlyer,

I too just started having the same problem with the screen lock up. I am shooting a suppressed 300 blackout and after about 20 shots my screen froze. I could not get it to clear until I removed the batteries. It did that two other times. Then it would turn off every shot. Batteries are brand new energizer lithums, and the scope is tight to the rail.I tried calling ATN and there phones are down so I called the nightvision guys and they said they would get me a RMA. They said that they will get ATN to exchange it. My scope has the red buttons and I updated when I got it last week. I hope this dosnt turn out to be a common problem.
Posted By: DusterFlyer

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 08:00 PM

Thanks for the replies so far. The screen locked up 4 times and the screen went off 15-20 times. Used regular Duracell AA bateries, and rechargable batteries. Probably had 4 sets of fresh batteries thru the sight during this range period. Took the sight off the rifle and put it back on in a check for loose mounting. Eric your experience sounds the same as mine. Mine also has the red buttons.
Willie Spence
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: DusterFlyer
Thanks for the replies so far. The screen locked up 4 times and the screen went off 15-20 times. Used regular Duracell AA bateries, and rechargable batteries. Probably had 4 sets of fresh batteries thru the sight during this range period. Took the sight off the rifle and put it back on in a check for loose mounting. Eric your experience sounds the same as mine. Mine also has the red buttons.
Willie Spence


Yup, I am not playing games, spent too much of my hard earned money and had to beg forgiveness to this day from the wife. ATN will either send me another one or Im going to Photon. I can deal with the other issues, last think I need is the scope to go out on me in the dark in the middle of the hunt. That is a big issue and the more I look on the net the more I am seeing of this issue.
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 10:29 PM

Darn! This isn't the news I was hoping to hear. I'm heading out for a range session tomorrow, weather permitting, but it sounds like it could be a really frustrating outing. Sure hope not; everything has worked perfectly on my new scope (with black buttons and white lettering) so far. I'll take a suitcase full of batteries and hope for the best. I'll post a report when I return.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 10:34 PM

I don't even want to ask, but...how many here are reporting problems with 30 cal recoil and the X-sight?
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 10:39 PM

techna, I haven't figured out how or if that's possible, either, so if you happen to find out, I'd sure like to hear about it. It sure would be nice to be able to preview what you've captured on the little SD card while you're still in the field and without having to go to cabling and iPhones or Androids. Unscrewing that cap for access to the various ports means opening it up to whatever happens to be falling out of the air! Like rain, sleet, snow, dust. . .
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 10:47 PM

Well, I don't know how I feel about THIS:

https://twitter.com/Scott_Country/status/552784009831677953

If true, I am absolutely not comfortable waiting weeks for “retrofit” of a scope purchased in December when it appears ATN is shipping the new-production model with the manual focus ring. Can anyone confirm that this is that actually the case here? I am having a hard time with the idea that owners with problems with the units ATN mis-manufactured should be pushed back “in line” (for potentially WEEKS) behind new orders.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 10:56 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Well, I don't know how I feel about THIS:

https://twitter.com/Scott_Country/status/552784009831677953

If true, I am absolutely not comfortable waiting weeks for “retrofit” of a scope purchased in December when it appears ATN is shipping the new-production model with the manual focus ring. Can anyone confirm that this is that actually the case here? I am having a hard time with the idea that owners with problems with the units ATN mis-manufactured should be pushed back “in line” (for potentially WEEKS) behind new orders.



Yes that is the case for the 3x12 units.

Mine is mounted on 6.8 spc with no issues with it freezing on shots.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 11:25 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Originally Posted By: DusterFlyer
Thanks for the replies so far. The screen locked up 4 times and the screen went off 15-20 times. Used regular Duracell AA bateries, and rechargable batteries. Probably had 4 sets of fresh batteries thru the sight during this range period. Took the sight off the rifle and put it back on in a check for loose mounting. Eric your experience sounds the same as mine. Mine also has the red buttons.
Willie Spence


Yup, I am not playing games, spent too much of my hard earned money and had to beg forgiveness to this day from the wife. ATN will either send me another one or Im going to Photon. I can deal with the other issues, last think I need is the scope to go out on me in the dark in the middle of the hunt. That is a big issue and the more I look on the net the more I am seeing of this issue.


Well I just got off the phone with ATN, Guess what they told me. They said if I send it back they will not send me a replacement until they have there tech check it over to make sure it really isn't working. He told me that could take 6 to 8 weeks before I hear back. What a joke. So then I asked for his manager, guess what, in voicemail I went. They know they have problems but dont want to admit it. Go check there face book forum, 258 comments and AATN did not respond to one yet. They created the forum. Whats up with that. Now what??? do I do. Argggggg Be forewarned, if you had not bought one, please read all the reviews. 50 shots thru mine and its broken with a suppressed 300 blk out. Really, My 10 year old daughter shoots this gun with me and she didn't break yet.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/07/15 11:56 PM

Yea I have about half the post in that forum lol

I sent mine back for a replacement and they told me 4-6 weeks on sending me a new one. I don't understand that, but they said they don't have any units on hand at all right now.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 12:31 AM

I was just told that the Scott Country 3x shipment is of pre-focus ring models that were held up in customs 45 days. In other words, if my 3x was like the rest, don't get one from Scott Country.

He also told me my retrofit would be completed "within 30 days." Huh...
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 01:04 AM

Well Guys, Here is a update. ATN called me back and said that they will help me out. I have a RA in hand, They said they will exchange it for me. They said soon as they get it if they have them in stock they will turn it around. Right now they are out of stock but are expecting a big shipment in a few days. Makes me nervous, I feel like I am rolling the dice on getting one back soon. I hate putting trust in a company that I started loosing faith in. I am going to go to the range one last time tomorrow and see if the scope fails again. If it does its going back, If it dosnt I may hang on to the RMA and wait a couple days.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 01:06 AM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Well Guys, Here is a update. ATN called me back and said that they will help me out. I have a RA in hand, They said they will exchange it for me. They said soon as they get it if they have them in stock they will turn it around. Right now they are out of stock but are expecting a big shipment in a few days. Makes me nervous, I feel like I am rolling the dice on getting one back soon. I hate putting trust in a company that I started loosing faith in. I am going to go to the range one last time tomorrow and see if the scope fails again. If it does its going back, If it dosnt I may hang on to the RMA and wait a couple days.


Ok, Another Update, I spoke Sachal with ATN, He and Aaron really came across nice. Aaron first called me to get me the RMA, then I actually got a second call about 30 min from Sachal. He asked me to try a couple things before I send it back, and I am good with that. He asked me to try fresh batteries and to make sure the battery cap is very tight. If that does not work he said to send it back using the RA. I certainly dont mind trying things out. Much better than the first response I got. New update in about a week or so as well for the reticle issue's. Right now I am a Happy Customer. Wew, I am emotionally exhausted. Tine for a rum and coke. Good news is Sachal is still around, he said he has been a bit busy so he hasnt been on this forum in a while. We miss you Sachal, and it was a pleasure talking to you.
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 02:23 AM

the more i use this scope the more i get frustrated, iam read to put this think in the box a shipped to atn mad
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 02:26 AM

dont mean to highjack this topic but does anyone have any experiance with Nikon M-223 4-16x42mm?
Posted By: DusterFlyer

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 04:46 AM

My problem with the screen occurred while mounted on my DPMS .308. A friend of mine used it on his .223 2 days before and did not experience the same issues with the screen. Specifically, there were no screen freezes or screen failures while firing the .223 with the my ANT X sight mounted on it.
Willie Spece
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 08:16 AM

With all the issues my first X-Sight had, I didn't experience screen freeze on my 223. It seems maybe it shouldn't be rated for as large a calibre as they said unless there's a batch with bad battery compartments.
I feel for you guys, Scott Country has been nothing but helpful over here in the UK. My first scope went back on Monday and I had my replacement Wednesday.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 11:25 AM

Originally Posted By: jimmyb79
With all the issues my first X-Sight had, I didn't experience screen freeze on my 223. It seems maybe it shouldn't be rated for as large a calibre as they said unless there's a batch with bad battery compartments.
I feel for you guys, Scott Country has been nothing but helpful over here in the UK. My first scope went back on Monday and I had my replacement Wednesday.


When I spoke to Sachal he was supprised to hear about the screen freeze and screen black out. I asked him to check the ATN forum on there facebook page. I am going to creat a log on there page to have folks let them know how many folks are having this issue. As far as caliper goes. Im shooting a 300 suppressed black out. That has less recoil than a 223. So I dont believe it is that. Sachal said the only mechanical part in the scope is the battery compartment.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 12:16 PM

ok guys I know it is frustrating and you want to vent lets just use this thread to work through the issues. If the resolution is to ship it back for a replacement then lets leave it at that. with every launch of a new product the is a percentage that is not software related quality control issues and i'm sure Sachal will get you guys squared away. That being said lets try and trouble shoot the issue IE (new batteries, tighten the battery compartment) before we declare all hope being lost. I remember one user screaming about the device not recording it turned out he did not format his memory card. We have a lot of test cases here and me and other don't mind using our unites to rule out some issues. i'm going on a hunt this weekend I will try and use all features I will bring back many recordings both night and day. im on firmware 1.8.00.200. if we keep bickering and getting every thread closed it wont help anyone.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 12:42 PM

I would like a moment to Thank ATN for this ambitious/momentous thing they are trying to achieve.


The Every Man Night Vision Scope

First to have a Night vision scope under $1000

First to have a Night Vision Scope in Full 1080P color

First to have a Night Vision Scope with digital Compass Geo Tracking an Velocity

First to have a Night Vision Scope with Wifi

First to have a Night Vision Scope with built in recording

First to have a Night Vision Scope With Smart Device compatibility.


I know we are complaining about the bugs but you can take all of the above away and just have the day/night feature and they would still fly out the door at $749 the fact of the matter is if ATN closed up shop and went under now what would you buy for $749? they are busting there but to get the bugs worked out and this last firmware shows there commitment so please just give them a little more time to work it out. You know at least we have something to play with right now!!! We all could still be waiting in pre-order limbo
Posted By: DusterFlyer

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 01:42 PM

I'll take my .308 back to the range in a few days with the X Sight and try the recommendations above again to see if it can be procedurally fixed. Again to be clear, I like the sight and can work around the other bugs till they are worked out. I have emailed ATN and Night Vision Guys, yesterday, and if there are any other procedures or data points they need I will be happy to try/record them.
Will
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 02:04 PM

That's what has me concerned now: I have a DPMS 308. Never mounted my 3x due to focus issues. ATN will have it for at least a month, and when it gets here...my recoil could shut it down.
Posted By: DusterFlyer

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 02:54 PM

I think it's worth trying out. Your results may vary and this to shall get worked out. It still could be operator induced.
Posted By: cabosandinh

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 03:38 PM

battery cap not on tight causing screen going out after a shot on a .308 was a known issue with me
Issue was fixed on spot by turning the cap a little more where the O Ring is no longer visible/barely visible

scope and rail may be loose after few shots, they need to be re-tighten with low strength locTite

those were also issues on my ATN Thor (thermal )


look at my previous post where I presented some things to do / look for


I am heading to SHOT show next week, I'll talk to Sachal about these issues

Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 04:03 PM

Subscribed to this since I have a scope on the way now.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 04:46 PM

Ok, I just wanted to give you my update. I only had 7 rounds left from yesterday. I went out with the old batteries in the X sight, I tightened down the cap as tight as I could get it. Fired 7 rounds with no fails with the original batteries in, I also turned on WiFi,GPS and record just to have some drain and batteries. So there you go, Looks like perhaps when I had the screen lock up and I had to loosen the cap to get unit to power off I may not have tightened the cap all the way. At this point I am going to hang on to the scope until I can go out next week and fire more shots to be sure. I want to be clear with everyone, I really do like this scope and I want it to work out just fine. It just has to work for me so I can get some meat. In this case looks like the cap just wasn't on tight enough. So if anyone is having this problem. Just let us know if you crank down on the cap and the problem clears up then it will confirm our suspicions.
soap
Posted By: Hunt'n Free

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/08/15 05:12 PM

I totally agree with Cyberpyrot; I would much rather have this scope in hand with a few glitches, that I believe will all be resolved with subsequent firmware downloads, than wait without the ability to "play" with it until ATN resolves all issues that are initially inherent in such a complex platform. With that, I hope the recorded cross hair and zero issues are soon to be resolved.
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 03:18 AM

it is a good scope so lets hang in there lol
Posted By: TomH FW

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 03:54 AM

Been lurking, and learning a lot about the xsight on this and other forums. Thanks to all. Joined to follow this thread. I have updated my 5x to .200, have black buttons with white lettering, have no night flicker, or screen shutoff when firing my .308. I got confused and ran out of daylight when trying to do the "zero" again at 100yds after an initial zero at 50, and have not for the life of me been able to get it to take a pic or vid. Other than that, I like the unit, and look forward to hunting with it.
Posted By: Hunt'n Free

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 12:11 PM

TomH FW: I too thought I had a recording issue, but learned from ATN, that although the ability to view the recorded images through the scope itself was not working (a known issue), I was able to view images and recordings by taking the SD card out and viewing them on my PC.
Posted By: TomH FW

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 01:55 PM

Hunt'n: Thanks. I did pull the card, and put in my MacBookPro. It did not show anything in the DCIM folder. I will try again tonight or tomorrow, and put the sd micro into a pc to see if that makes any diff. I would try it today but they won't let me bring my AR10 into the office building!
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 02:51 PM

In case anyone hasn't yet seen it, the below is an open letter from the CEO of ATN posted on their facebook page today:

An open letter from ATN Corp CEO, Marc Vayn:

"We at ATN appreciate all the early adopters of our new X-Sight. The X-Sight is really like nothing we have ever developed! The sophistication of the Obsidian Core has offered us a world of possibilities never before witnessed in our industry. It has also posed a series of challenges that we are working quickly to overcome.

One of these has been Reticle shifting out of view at high levels of zoom. First let me assure you this is NOT a hardware issue and will be resolved within the shortest time possible in the form of an updated firmware.

Part of the issue has arisen due to the fact that our engineers removed the original limitation of 4X digital (example 5-18). Instead the 5-18 is now 5-50. Our engineers felt that even at 50X, the resolution of the image was still good enough to provide additional detection. Unfortunately in the first release of our Reticle Zeroing we shifted the reticle by moving it on the screen reticle and thereby it would always be of center. This problem was then exacerbated by high zoom - in essence shifting the reticle up 10X the original Zeroing In. On weapons with more then just a minor shift from dead center this created a problem of having the reticle fly of the screen when zooming in.

Currently our engineers are working on a major update that will no longer shift the reticle but the entire screen behind the reticle - when finished no amount of zoom will move your reticle of center. The algorithms for this work have already been complete and only the testing and bug clean up remains. As an added bonus we will also be including a number of our early Smart Shooting Solutions into this version (Hint: think intelligent bullet drop compensation and much much more.)

Again, I would like to apologize from me and our development team for shipping the X-Sight with these types of issues. We hope that our fixes and new features that are to be released throughout the year will make up for some initial difficulties.

Sincerely,
Marc Vayn
CEO, ATN Corp."
Posted By: Fred Williamson

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 02:57 PM

Hey Guys,
I got my 5-18 last week, and am having the same issues as mentioned here.... Reticals not centered (need to shim) shut down during fireing (.308 AR-10) , button somewhat unresponsive, Battery hog, drains them when in off mode..... But like a beaten wife..... I still love it!

I would like to upgrade the firmware.. To 200 (got 174 now) .. But my computer's media player is incorrect to download to the scope.... Does anyone know what I need to make this work..... (I am not a computer genius!)
But I assume I need a new codex???

I have the Ap on my phone and IPad can I use them to update the firmware?

Thanks!
Fred
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 03:07 PM

welcome

I have never seen so many new users join a forum for a particular discussion or product.

Goodluck everyone with the X-sight and if it doesn't work out for you be sure to stick around for all the other hunting and product discussions!
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 03:25 PM

(duplicate post)

Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
welcome

I have never seen so many new users join a forum for a particular discussion or product.

Goodluck everyone with the X-sight and if it doesn't work out for you be sure to stick around for all the other hunting and product discussions!



Do you still have your X-sight or did you ditch it?
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 03:49 PM

I still have my X-sight and have no intention of ditching it! The function it provides, even with the issues it has, is amazing. I'm convinced that once ATN gets all these issues rectified, the X-Sights are truly going to become the "game changers" that folks talked about when it was first announced. I can't imagine what additional capabilities they're going to be able to provide with the Obsidian core. Hold on to your hats and your hunting chairs, folks; it's gonna be a ride!!
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
welcome

I have never seen so many new users join a forum for a particular discussion or product.

Goodluck everyone with the X-sight and if it doesn't work out for you be sure to stick around for all the other hunting and product discussions!



Do you still have your X-sight or did you ditch it?


I returned it to the dealer as the mount was off just enough to cause a 2-3 ft point of impact shift left.

Awaiting a replacement and still a "user" of the X-sight.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
welcome

I have never seen so many new users join a forum for a particular discussion or product.

Goodluck everyone with the X-sight and if it doesn't work out for you be sure to stick around for all the other hunting and product discussions!



Do you still have your X-sight or did you ditch it?


I returned it to the dealer as the mount was off just enough to cause a 2-3 ft point of impact shift left.

Awaiting a replacement and still a "user" of the X-sight.



Good deal. Sounds like we're in the same boat with the mount. I'm awaiting a replacement from ATN as we speak.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Fred Williamson
Hey Guys,
I got my 5-18 last week, and am having the same issues as mentioned here.... Reticals not centered (need to shim) shut down during fireing (.308 AR-10) , button somewhat unresponsive, Battery hog, drains them when in off mode..... But like a beaten wife..... I still love it!

I would like to upgrade the firmware.. To 200 (got 174 now) .. But my computer's media player is incorrect to download to the scope.... Does anyone know what I need to make this work..... (I am not a computer genius!)
But I assume I need a new codex???

I have the Ap on my phone and IPad can I use them to update the firmware?

Thanks!
Fred


When yo go to the firmware page and click the link are you also clicking the "save" button or "open" button? You shouldnt need a media player or codec to use this. Simply download (save) to your computer then copy it to your (formatted) sd card. Insert it into the scope and turn on. It should then start loading it to the scope. If it hangs up on you after about 5 or so minutes and you have no control over the scope then you will need to take the battery cover off and remove the sd card. Replace the cover and power back up it should start the update. I had to do the same and the above is what ATN told me to do and all is well as to the firmware upgrade.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 11:26 PM

All,
I am sorry for not being active here. I have gotten few calls about the scope shutting off from recoil.

When you replace batteries on the scope, please make sure you tighten the battery cap all the way. Every customer that I told this to, didnt have any shut off after that.

Thank you!
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 11:32 PM

Another update.

We are almost caught up on the 5-18x.

As for the 3-12, around few thousand new scopes are being shipped middle of next week. These new scopes would have the latest firmware with manual focus and sun shade.

As for the firmware, are also planning on releasing another firmware update early next week.

Thank you!
Posted By: bonzman17

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 11:44 PM

Satchel, have there been any other cases with the sd card not being retained?
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 11:52 PM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
Another update.

We are almost caught up on the 5-18x.

As for the 3-12, around few thousand new scopes are being shipped middle of next week. These new scopes would have the latest firmware with manual focus and sun shade.

As for the firmware, are also planning on releasing another firmware update early next week.

Thank you!

Welcome back Sachal, And thanks for your help the other day. I fired 7 rounds and the scope did not turn off. I need to reload more rounds. I updated Aaron in your office via e mail.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/09/15 11:59 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Originally Posted By: SachalATN
Another update.

We are almost caught up on the 5-18x.

As for the 3-12, around few thousand new scopes are being shipped middle of next week. These new scopes would have the latest firmware with manual focus and sun shade.

As for the firmware, are also planning on releasing another firmware update early next week.

Thank you!

Welcome back Sachal, And thanks for your help the other day. I fired 7 rounds and the scope did not turn off. I need to reload more rounds. I updated Aaron in your office via e mail.


Thank you Eric for the feedback and I am glad it resolved the issue.

All, if you have any issues with the IR illuminator. Please contact me.

Thank you!
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 12:00 AM

Originally Posted By: bonzman17
Satchel, have there been any other cases with the sd card not being retained?


Do you mean the SD comes out from recoil?
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 12:34 AM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
Another update.

We are almost caught up on the 5-18x.

As for the 3-12, around few thousand new scopes are being shipped middle of next week. These new scopes would have the latest firmware with manual focus and sun shade.

As for the firmware, are also planning on releasing another firmware update early next week.

Thank you!


When you say "shipped," do you mean from China to ATN, or from ATN to distributors?
Posted By: bonzman17

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 12:36 AM

No it won't even sit in the port I had to hold the card down with my finger to update firmware.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 12:47 AM

Originally Posted By: bonzman17
No it won't even sit in the port I had to hold the card down with my finger to update firmware.


Bonzman, I am having our product manager look into it. Will give you an update.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 12:55 AM

Originally Posted By: bonzman17
No it won't even sit in the port I had to hold the card down with my finger to update firmware.


Are you trying to push it in with your finger? Try it with a pin and see if goes down enough to click.

Thanks!
Posted By: Cleric

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 01:03 AM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Originally Posted By: SachalATN
Another update.

We are almost caught up on the 5-18x.

As for the 3-12, around few thousand new scopes are being shipped middle of next week. These new scopes would have the latest firmware with manual focus and sun shade.

As for the firmware, are also planning on releasing another firmware update early next week.

Thank you!


When you say "shipped," do you mean from China to ATN, or from ATN to distributors?
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when i called them earlier this week they lead me to believe it was from china and that they would not be available until beginning of next month
Posted By: bonzman17

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 01:42 AM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
Originally Posted By: bonzman17
No it won't even sit in the port I had to hold the card down with my finger to update firmware.


Bonzman, I am having our product manager look into it. Will give you an update.

tried a few things similar to that still no luck.
Posted By: dmjung

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 03:14 AM

Originally Posted By: bonzman17
No it won't even sit in the port I had to hold the card down with my finger to update firmware.


I had to press my card in a fair ways before it "clicked" into place.

--David
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 03:16 AM

All,
If you are having issues with the SD card slots, please let us know so we can do a RMA and record it in our metrics so we can further improve this scope.
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 04:14 AM

Thank you for joinig SachalATN, i just have noticed one of screws on the side rail is broken on my scope.
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 04:26 AM

anyway we can get longer battery life? its driving my wallet crazy.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 05:48 AM

Chris we are seeing roughly around 8 to 12 hours of battery life with brand new lithium batteries with wifi, gps and recording off.

We are planning on adding some quick ultra saving mode and rechargeable battery pack.
Posted By: R. Edwards

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 05:52 AM

[quote=SachalATN]Chris we are seeing roughly around 8 to 12 hours of battery life with brand new lithium batteries with wifi, gps and recording off.

roflmao
Posted By: R. Edwards

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 06:00 AM

Originally Posted By: ChrismNJ
anyway we can get longer battery life? its driving my wallet crazy.

I heard there is a company working on an external rechargeable battery pack. Hopefully they can figure that out pretty soon. That's what I'm looking forward to save on battery cost! I've swithced my butt stock to one that holds a full set of batteries for both the scope and IR incase mine die in the field.
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 06:20 AM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
Chris we are seeing roughly around 8 to 12 hours of battery life with brand new lithium batteries with wifi, gps and recording off.

We are planning on adding some quick ultra saving mode and rechargeable battery pack.


wow 8 to 12 hours? im lucky to get 4 with lithium batteries wifi and gps off. Is it possible there is something with my scope?
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 06:46 AM

Now a lot depends on if you are constantly navigating the menu or changing the settings or moving the scope around.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 09:32 AM

I haven't found a way of getting the SD card by hand alone, as Sachal says, you do need to push it in with a pen, or other small object til it clicks into place.
Posted By: bonzman17

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 10:23 AM

tried with a pair of tweezers and bottomed the card out with no click.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 11:47 AM

There are a couple of guys over on the ATN Customer Forum on facebook who have successfully run their X-Sights on external battery packs via the micro USB port. They said you have to have batteries in before you connect the battery pack but once connected, the batteries can be removed and it still runs.
Clearly they've added a disclaimer that they don't know what, if any damage would be caused to the device by doing this...

(From facebook forum: "
FIX FOR BATTERY LIFE/EXTERNAL POWER SOURCE:
Just did some screwing around with my xsight and I can CONFIRM external power packs work. The safety of this IS UNKNOWN. As you all should know, using a piece of advanced hardware and software outside of producers specs could lead to unknown issues/failures. Disclaimer done...
If you power unit up with AA batteries installed, THEN attach an external power source (mine is a 10,000 MAH ANKER astro 2nd gen), and THEN remove your batteries, device stays powered on. Video continued to record as well. So there you go boys, problem: solved (for the time being)."
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 01:06 PM

One of the things I've noticed is that after my batteries fail to run my 5-18X, I can still use those batteries for other, less demanding tasks, like flashlights, radios, and other AA battery-powered devices. I checked the "used" batteries from the X sight with an analog battery tester, and it indicated that I still had plenty of life left in them. So don't throw those batteries away; repurpose them!
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 02:21 PM

Originally Posted By: bonzman17
tried with a pair of tweezers and bottomed the card out with no click.


I push my in with a pan and it clicks.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 02:31 PM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
Chris we are seeing roughly around 8 to 12 hours of battery life with brand new lithium batteries with wifi, gps and recording off.

We are planning on adding some quick ultra saving mode and rechargeable battery pack.


Sachal, Do you think that ATN will offer those of us that already bought the 5X a discount on the sun shade and battery pack that are in the works. Or are these items always going to be a option even for future purchasers. Just curious. I like the idea of the power saving mode that is awesome. Also, one more quick question. Do you know all the bug fixes that the next firmware will fix and or adjust? I am sure I am not the only one wondering. Thanks again for keeping us all up to date as you do.
Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 02:45 PM

wonder how power saving mode will work, will it make some settings not available? will it dim the display? if thats the case we can do this ourself now.
Posted By: Techna

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By: ChrismNJ
wonder how power saving mode will work, will it make some settings not available? will it dim the display? if thats the case we can do this ourself now.

Maybe it'll run the cooling fan at a slower speed. My 5x blows into my eye so hard that it dries it out.



I kid. The ATN X-Sight 5X18 does NOT have a cooling fan.


Well, at least my green button version does not. grin

Sorry, I couldn't resist.


Weather permitting, I'm going to finally sight mine in today and am anxious to see how it goes. I've only played with it a bit here and there, and the issues I've noted are the flashing/blinking display in night mode, and occasionally unresponsive buttons during certain menu selections. These seem to be software issues and hopefully easy to address through firmware updates. Regardless, I'm still quite impressed with the features included and image quality I've seen. I quite happy with it.


Posted By: ChrismNJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/10/15 04:38 PM

Wow green buttons nice i can see this starting good conversation lol
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 12:40 AM

So has anyone figured out a way to get the lines on the night vision to go away?
Posted By: Fred Williamson

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 01:31 PM



When yo go to the firmware page and click the link are you also clicking the "save" button or "open" button? You shouldnt need a media player or codec to use this. Simply download (save) to your computer then copy it to your (formatted) sd card. Insert it into the scope and turn on. It should then start loading it to the scope. If it hangs up on you after about 5 or so minutes and you have no control over the scope then you will need to take the battery cover off and remove the sd card. Replace the cover and power back up it should start the update. I had to do the same and the above is what ATN told me to do and all is well as to the firmware upgrade. [/quote]

Hey Shadow,
I stupidly forgot to format my SD card..... Which I assume is why I'm having problems..... I did play with my x-sight last night..... (Joys of being a cop on night shift! !) And I have to say.... It is pretty cool..... I have used a Gen. III Simrad scope for many years.... And while the image is "different" I am amazed at the clarity of the X-Sight!

Thanks!
Fred
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 05:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Fred Williamson




Hey Shadow,
I stupidly forgot to format my SD card..... Which I assume is why I'm having problems..... I did play with my x-sight last night..... (Joys of being a cop on night shift! !) And I have to say.... It is pretty cool..... I have used a Gen. III Simrad scope for many years.... And while the image is "different" I am amazed at the clarity of the X-Sight!

Thanks!



Fred , Im glad you got it going. Sometimes its the little things. I would suggest an upgraded illuminator for it as well, you will be amazed at the difference.
Glad the board has been able to help you.
Thanks for your seevice in the PD.

Phil

Posted By: Fred Williamson

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 06:30 PM

Hmmmmmm..... I went out and bought a card reader/writer..... Was able to figure out how to format the card,
Download the firmware update, (.200), upload to the SD card, placed it in the scope (it is clicked in) and......

NOTHING!!!!

Still showing version .174 in settings..... I double checked and "xsight(1).bin" is in the SD card...... I tried placing the card "in" with the unit off, and powering it up, and even tried a hard reboot by unscrewing the battery cap......

I am sure it is in the card, but does not seem to be reading it......

Any bright ideas?

Thanks for your help..... I am sure the issue is "the nut behind the trigger"!
F.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 06:41 PM

You do not want the (1) in the filename. That file needs to be called nothing other than xsight.bin. I would suggest deleting ALL copies of the .bin firmware from your computer. The added (1) is actually added to the second copy you have in the same folder...so you are going to delete all of those, then redownload a fresh one, making sure it is only named xsight.bin.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 06:41 PM

No period on the end of the filename, as in:

xsight.bin
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 07:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Fred Williamson
Hmmmmmm..... I went out and bought a card reader/writer..... Was able to figure out how to format the card,
Download the firmware update, (.200), upload to the SD card, placed it in the scope (it is clicked in) and......

NOTHING!!!!

Still showing version .174 in settings..... I double checked and "xsight(1).bin" is in the SD card...... I tried placing the card "in" with the unit off, and powering it up, and even tried a hard reboot by unscrewing the battery cap......

I am sure it is in the card, but does not seem to be reading it......

Any bright ideas?

Thanks for your help..... I am sure the issue is "the nut behind the trigger"!
F.


Or you just rename the existing file you have to "xsight.bin" your computer is just adding that because you already have a file with the same name on it.
Just right click on the file that is on your card xsight(1).bin and edit out the (1) then save and your done. put it in your scope and it should update for you.
You can also choose to download it directly to your sd card (formatted) then put it directly to your scope.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 09:17 PM

First page of this post has the process on video, what is so hard?
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 10:07 PM

Yep, you downloaded the file twice which resulted in the file with the 1 in it. Rename it as Shadow suggests or follow the process as HTXH suggests.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 10:30 PM

Back from hunt the x-sight works flawlessly during the day.






Big pig 180 yards

[Linked Image]


Doe 160 yards

[Linked Image]


Piglet 80 yards

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 11:40 PM

Well done! Looks like you've got yourself a freezer full of meat for the rest of the winter! Did you not have a chance to use the X-Sight at night?
Posted By: TomH FW

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 11:41 PM

I have hog envy, big time. I NEVER get to see hogs during daylight. Glad it is working for you!
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/11/15 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by mikei
Well done! Looks like you've got yourself a freezer full of meat for the rest of the winter! Did you not have a chance to use the X-Sight at night?



No pigs would come out just bucks. Notice no flicker???

Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 12:02 AM

looks out of focus, was it low light?

cattle right behind the pigs you shot at?
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by cyberpyrot
Originally Posted by mikei
Well done! Looks like you've got yourself a freezer full of meat for the rest of the winter! Did you not have a chance to use the X-Sight at night?



No pigs would come out just bucks. Notice no flicker???



How did you get the flicker to stop?
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 12:07 AM

Originally Posted By: DavidK
looks out of focus, was it low light?

cattle right behind the pigs you shot at?


I have trouble focusing it when I look through the eyepiece it looks focused. If I use the phone app I can focus it better.


Nope those where bigger pigs 😆
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by rexmitchell
Originally Posted by cyberpyrot
Originally Posted by mikei
Well done! Looks like you've got yourself a freezer full of meat for the rest of the winter! Did you not have a chance to use the X-Sight at night?



No pigs would come out just bucks. Notice no flicker???



How did you get the flicker to stop?


Diffrent ir flashlight.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 12:13 AM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
Originally Posted By: DavidK
looks out of focus, was it low light?

cattle right behind the pigs you shot at?


I have trouble focusing it when I look through the eyepiece it looks focused. If I use the phone app I can focus it better.


Nope those where bigger pigs 😆


ah I remember you saying that

but those are 1500 pound pigs in the back
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 12:45 AM

So the included IR seems to be causing the flickering? Oh MAN...
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 12:47 AM

Originally Posted By: s6275
So the included IR seems to be causing the flickering? Oh MAN...


I assume as much that is the only difference. I will test when I get a chance.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 01:01 AM

Looking at the night video, I'd say you've got the light amplification set at medium?
Mine doesn't flicker in medium or high, only low.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: jimmyb79
Looking at the night video, I'd say you've got the light amplification set at medium?
Mine doesn't flicker in medium or high, only low.


I'm using the unv20 the one for $200 how do you set it higher? There is one button on and off. Or are you referring to a setting on the scope. All settings on scope are default. I changed nothing.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 01:08 AM

its under display then day/night mode in the menu on the scope, bottom option is light amplification.
On low, I find I get zero lag on the image on screen which makes for a smoother view, but it does have a flicker to it. I use a nightmaster 800, can see plenty of distance, but do get that flicker.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 01:10 AM

Originally Posted By: jimmyb79
its under display then day/night mode in the menu on the scope, bottom option is light amplification.
On low, I find I get zero lag on the image on screen which makes for a smoother view, but it does have a flicker to it. I use a nightmaster 800, can see plenty of distance, but do get that flicker.


Is it possible that they changed it to medium with the last firmware. I will look to see what is set to
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 01:15 AM

More than likely, I'm hoping the flicker is completely gone in the next update, that medium setting is ok until you see how good a moving image you get once you've tried it on low.
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 01:51 AM

Bottom line, cyberpyrot: would you buy an X-Sight today, knowing what you do today?
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 01:54 AM

Originally Posted By: mikei
Bottom line, cyberpyrot: would you buy an X-Sight today, knowing what you do today?


Kills just fine so it does work. Wish the cross hairs where in the video. For the price yes, it does everything the pulsar n750 does as is.
Posted By: Fred Williamson

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 03:10 AM

Hey Guys,

Yup you were right.... Gotta ditch the number in the code..... It then Uploaded with no problems.... It is not hard once you have done it..... But I am a knuckle dragger.... Who can be a might dense on this tech stuff! Pretty cool.... I'm a .200 man now!!! Can't wait to zero it!

Thanks Phil, et all!!!
Fred
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 06:36 AM

Just in time for the next update Fred! Due out any day now!
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 02:50 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
Originally Posted By: mikei
Bottom line, cyberpyrot: would you buy an X-Sight today, knowing what you do today?

For the price yes, it does everything the pulsar n750 does as is.


Except that it doesn't perform as well at night past 150 yards - apples to apples.

The Photon and Digisights see further with less IR.
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
Except that it doesn't perform as well at night past 150 yards - apples to apples.

The Photon and Digisights see further with less IR.


I don't know that my Photon XT performs much, if any, better at night and I'd prolly give the edge to the N750 at night as regards sensitivity to light. Flip side, the digital mag makes longer shots easier night or day with the X-Sight....and its onboard recording capability, HD sensor and daytime color are a few of the items neither of the other scopes offer. Like Cyberpyrot, the scope has hunted fine for me despite the remaining glitches.

Something else that hasn't been mentioned. Both the Pulsar and Photons are produced in small quantities relative to the X-Sight. If there was a tenth of the orders or interest in either you would have been hearing the whining about deliveries on those too....but there wasn't/isn't... Just an observation...and I like both the N750 and XT...good, reliable scopes.
Posted By: ddr225

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 07:47 PM

Took my XSight out for the first time this weekend. Things started out well but ended badly! After about 20 rds, scope was slightly loose from the base. Took everything off and retightened screws. After another 5 rounds the scope had come loose again but almost to the point it fell off the base. Sent it back for a replacement today. Do any of you do anything like "loctite" or anything else before you do a permanent mount to the rifle?
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: ddr225
Took my XSight out for the first time this weekend. Things started out well but ended badly! After about 20 rds, scope was slightly loose from the base. Took everything off and retightened screws. After another 5 rounds the scope had come loose again but almost to the point it fell off the base. Sent it back for a replacement today. Do any of you do anything like "loctite" or anything else before you do a permanent mount to the rifle?


Blue loc-tite is what I use on my mounts, rings.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 07:59 PM

Spikes playing

Posted By: BOLT GUY

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 08:44 PM

I tried to do the new update last week and seems the scope wouldn't update. Any tips that I can try. Shows the version .173 still.
Just got a chance to take it out last weekend and play with it, I think I'm really going to enjoy this scope
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 09:51 PM

Originally Posted By: BOLT GUY
I tried to do the new update last week and seems the scope wouldn't update. Any tips that I can try. Shows the version .173 still.
Just got a chance to take it out last weekend and play with it, I think I'm really going to enjoy this scope


There is a great video by HuntTxHogs on the first page of this thread that shows you step by step on how to update your firmare.
Posted By: Osiel

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/12/15 11:12 PM

Your ds card must be no larger than 32gb the x-sight will not accept any larger sd card. You must NOT change the name of the file or it won't recognize the file. Also don't forget to format you ds card.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/13/15 05:06 PM

All,
Just an update. We are releasing another firmware update shortly, as in a week or so, that would take care of the missing reticle in the video. So yes you will have reticle in your videos now.

The following firmware update after that would address the reticle moving off the screen. So when you zoom in or out, it would center the reticle not the screen.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/13/15 05:09 PM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
All,
Just an update. We are releasing another firmware update shortly, as in a week or so, that would take care of the missing reticle in the video. So yes you will have reticle in your videos now.

The following firmware update after that would address the reticle moving off the screen. So when you zoom in or out, it would center the reticle not the screen.


Thanks Buddy after hunting this weekend with it. It worked very well the only thing I wish I had was the cross hairs in the video..
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/13/15 05:14 PM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
All,
Just an update. We are releasing another firmware update shortly, as in a week or so, that would take care of the missing reticle in the video. So yes you will have reticle in your videos now.

The following firmware update after that would address the reticle moving off the screen. So when you zoom in or out, it would center the reticle not the screen.


I still have Flicker in night mode, some say it was fixed, not in mine, others weigh in?
Posted By: RONIN003

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/13/15 05:55 PM

At first mine was only flickering in 720 mode now I noticed in both 720 and 1080 (as of last night).
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/13/15 07:26 PM

Has anyone figured out the Gyroscope? or is this feature not working yet. Been trying to figure out how to turn it on. Also does anyone's compass look like this, all I have is degree's and ATN advertises it like this. Or is there something I need to turn on?
Posted By: TomH FW

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/13/15 07:55 PM

Eric: I certainly do not have the rotating compass card display. All that I have is the numeric readout at the top that is spastic, and almost always wrong. I have not made the effort to turn myself in a complete circle to see if it gets any better. I have enough other issues. Haha
Posted By: RONIN003

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/13/15 07:57 PM

compass is only at the top in degree's no needle... not sure with the gyroscope
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/13/15 08:34 PM

Sachal,

Do you happen to know which Butler Creek cover fits the sun shade that will ship with the manual focus 3x?
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/13/15 10:49 PM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
All,
Just an update. We are releasing another firmware update shortly, as in a week or so, that would take care of the missing reticle in the video. So yes you will have reticle in your videos now.

The following firmware update after that would address the reticle moving off the screen. So when you zoom in or out, it would center the reticle not the screen.


Hi Sachal, the open letter from the ATN CEO said that the algorithms for fixing the moving reticle were complete and just needed testing and bug fixing, but would be part of the next update. Are ATN now saying it won't be fixed until the one after? If so, it's a bit of disappointing change of what was said by the boss.
If that is the case, is there a time scale for when that update is expected?
Also, is there going to be a fix for the flicker in night vision mode in the next update.
Posted By: BlakeJ

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 03:05 AM

I am on the list to get one of the 200 x sights that optics planet is getting in March. Does anyone know that these will have all of the updated software already installed on them?
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 01:24 PM

Originally Posted By: BlakeJ
I am on the list to get one of the 200 x sights that optics planet is getting in March. Does anyone know that these will have all of the updated software already installed on them?


I doubt Optics Planet will update the product they are distributing, the nature of the X-sight is to allow users to update the product themselves. Takes 4 batteries and about 10 minutes to do. A video tutorial is on page 1 of this thread.
Posted By: BOLT GUY

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 03:05 PM

Guy's a couple of questions, I read this whole thread and didn't see the answers.
1)My battery indicator isn't showing on screen
2)where can i get the X Y values after zero is completed.
Might be something I overlooked but going through the menu I didn't see where to pull these up.
Posted By: RONIN003

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 03:10 PM

Originally Posted By: BOLT GUY
Guy's a couple of questions, I read this whole thread and didn't see the answers.
1)My battery indicator isn't showing on screen
2)where can i get the X Y values after zero is completed.
Might be something I overlooked but going through the menu I didn't see where to pull these up.


battery indicator only shows up when low.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 03:13 PM

Originally Posted By: BOLT GUY
Guy's a couple of questions, I read this whole thread and didn't see the answers.
1)My battery indicator isn't showing on screen
2)where can i get the X Y values after zero is completed.
Might be something I overlooked but going through the menu I didn't see where to pull these up.


On the zero setup screen you look in the upper right corner for the X/Y coordinates.
Posted By: BOLT GUY

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 03:19 PM

Thanks guy's was just messing with it and saw the X Y values top right hand corner. Thank you guy's for doing this it has been very helpful!
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 08:17 PM

Originally Posted By: DavidK
Originally Posted By: SachalATN
All,
Just an update. We are releasing another firmware update shortly, as in a week or so, that would take care of the missing reticle in the video. So yes you will have reticle in your videos now.

The following firmware update after that would address the reticle moving off the screen. So when you zoom in or out, it would center the reticle not the screen.


I still have Flicker in night mode, some say it was fixed, not in mine, others weigh in?


Mine is doing the same, I am in 720 but haven't tried 1080 yet.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 09:57 PM

Some members wanted to know what butler creek cap fits the 5-18x.

According to one of the customer, The 48mm fits perfectly.

Thank you!
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 09:58 PM

flicker in the night mode doesnt have anything to do with resolution.
We are working on the new software kit and this issue will be addressed shortly.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: jimmyb79
Originally Posted By: SachalATN
All,
Just an update. We are releasing another firmware update shortly, as in a week or so, that would take care of the missing reticle in the video. So yes you will have reticle in your videos now.

The following firmware update after that would address the reticle moving off the screen. So when you zoom in or out, it would center the reticle not the screen.


Hi Sachal, the open letter from the ATN CEO said that the algorithms for fixing the moving reticle were complete and just needed testing and bug fixing, but would be part of the next update. Are ATN now saying it won't be fixed until the one after? If so, it's a bit of disappointing change of what was said by the boss.
If that is the case, is there a time scale for when that update is expected?
Also, is there going to be a fix for the flicker in night vision mode in the next update.


This is true, we are in the process of doing some testing and have to make sure there is no POI shift across any magnification.
It sounds easy but the algorithm is very complex
Posted By: garbs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 10:41 PM

Sachal,

Do you have any updates on when the updated 3x version will start shipping to resellers?

Also, just wanted to say that I appreciate the fact that you're here giving us more insight into what's going on behind the scenes!
Posted By: Hunt'n Free

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 10:50 PM

I received a 48mm flip cap from Butler Creek yesterday, installed it, and it does fits perfectly on the 5-18x.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot


Yup number 48 as posted earlier.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/14/15 11:27 PM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN


This is true, we are in the process of doing some testing and have to make sure there is no POI shift across any magnification.
It sounds easy but the algorithm is very complex


Thanks for that, I've no doubt it's incredibly complex!
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/15/15 12:47 AM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
flicker in the night mode doesnt have anything to do with resolution.
We are working on the new software kit and this issue will be addressed shortly.


Thanks for the update.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/15/15 01:41 AM

Sachal -

Can you guys add more color palettes for night mode, I love your SEPIA option from the Thor thermal scopes



If you can explain to us how the "Green" mode actually works off the sensors native format of black/white at night then can you just replace the green with sepia and animals would appear their natural color (shades of black and white) ?

Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/15/15 10:29 PM

Hello all, brand new to the forum.

As my handle suggests, I'm not from TX but from MO. Joined this forum because this forum appears BY FAR to be the most helpful, courteous, and focused on discussions than many other boards I've visited.

I have a 3-12x on order from TechEyes since May, but shipment is delayed due to re-manufacturing with Manual-Focus. Until then, I'm getting my fix here!

Now on to my comment...

I never thought about color schemes before, but now that I do - they could definitely be very useful even if this unit is not 'thermal'. Color enhancement mode would be a VERY useful idea! For instance, I wonder if we could get a "Red" mode - since red tends to not 'damage' your night vision as badly as other colors do - making transition from scope to normal vision at night quicker.

I also wonder if there is some way to create an "Visual Enhancement" mode which could create bright-colored outlines around shapes detected via software. Even if it's not perfect, the various 'bright' areas that get outlined could greatly increase target recognition potential - even in very low light scenarios. Better images could be formed from a processed composite of images switching between 'low gain' and 'high gain' - or with a high-frequency, This would of course cause reduced framerate (it's all got to be processed, after all). Still - I'm sure there is an application that would benefit from this kind of feature.


I'm also going to again shamelessly plug ATN for 2 other accessories/features.

First, a Rangefinder unit that interfaces with he X-sight. It then could auto-calculate BDC for a programmed load, programmed via update to software. Rangefinder FTW!

Second, the ability to design our own Reticles and upload them to the sight! There's no reason we can't make this as some kind of graphic file on a PC, and upload it to the sight. Imagine how cool it would be to have any reticle you can dream up, and even share them online with others?! Never 'want' for that perfect reticle again.

A guy can dream, can't he?
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/15/15 10:58 PM

Mo smile

Thanks for the recommendations, have you been spying on ATN..lol???

We cant spill the beans just yet my friend wink
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/15/15 11:38 PM

LOL, no, not spying.

I do have a degree in Digital Microprocessors. I used to program them on the machine code level by hand in hexadecimal, back in college. Many years ago. I've done lots of work with computers and such since then.

I understand how long it takes to create new code and then debug it, so tell your software dev guys to hang in there! I can only imagine the breakneck schedule and pressure those guys are under, to get out these updates you guys are pushing. *I* for one think they are doing amazing work, to kick out updates to brand new software this fast. On top of it, they have to make sure it all fits on a computer the size of your fist, runs on AA batteries, controls all the extra 'feature' hardware properly, and has no active cooling. That's a lot of work to make an ultra-low-TDP processor do, so not only does the software have to work, and work well, but also be processor-cycle efficient too.

Anyway, I got super excited when I heard about the X-sight, because I understand just how useful microprocessors are, especially in processing digital imagery, and my mind just kicks into overdrive at what they can accomplish in this (IMO, under-served) market.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 12:24 AM

Originally Posted By: jimmyb79
Looking at the night video, I'd say you've got the light amplification set at medium?
Mine doesn't flicker in medium or high, only low.


I checked you where right the firmware set the amplification to medium. Flicker is still there. I'm so relieved I thought I got a bad or flash light it did not seam bright enough. On low it is super bright.
Posted By: mtnbowhunter

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 06:26 PM

Sachalatn

will ATN be commencing work soon to increase the performance / range of the x-sight on dark nights??

from what I have read here and especially on the euro forums is that the x-sight is very disappointing in dark night performance, even when using high performance aftermarket IR lights!!

we need better night performance!!
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: mtnbowhunter
Sachalatn

will ATN be commencing work soon to increase the performance / range of the x-sight on dark nights??

from what I have read here and especially on the euro forums is that the x-sight is very disappointing in dark night performance, even when using high performance aftermarket IR lights!!

we need better night performance!!


If you need better performance, please buy gen 2 or gen 3. for the price, the x sight performs extremely well.
Posted By: garbs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: garbs
Sachal,

Do you have any updates on when the updated 3x version will start shipping to resellers?

Also, just wanted to say that I appreciate the fact that you're here giving us more insight into what's going on behind the scenes!

SachalATN, anything to add here? I'm trying to figure out if I want to use this photon or keep waiting...
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
Originally Posted By: mtnbowhunter
Sachalatn

will ATN be commencing work soon to increase the performance / range of the x-sight on dark nights??

from what I have read here and especially on the euro forums is that the x-sight is very disappointing in dark night performance, even when using high performance aftermarket IR lights!!

we need better night performance!!


w


For what its worth, my opinion of the night vision is the exact opposite. I'm using a nightmaster 800 - very similar to a T67 IR lamp. I have no issues seeing out to a good 350 yards with my lamp at night with no moon. I'm not sure what kit those that are struggling are using, but I have no complaints about how far I can see. At any rate, I can see further than I'd want to shoot a fox at.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 06:47 PM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
Mo smile

Thanks for the recommendations, have you been spying on ATN..lol???

We cant spill the beans just yet my friend wink


Ah - so there could be a use for the USB port after all! Nice rangefinder add on connected via USB? Go on Sachal - we won't tell... whistle
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 07:10 PM

I have some good news and bad news with my X sight. The powering off has been solved via keeping battery cap tight. However today I experienced 2 new problems. First my scope lost zero after the last time I went to the range. At 100 yards it was off by 8 inches to the right. Now a few days ago I did not properly turn the unit off and the batteries died. I think they were dead for a couple days. Could that have caused me to loose zero?? Now after I got it zeroed in it started to flicker in day mode. Crazy thing is if I zoomed in a bit the flicker stopped. Only at 1X. This is the first time that ever happend to me. I turned the unit off, and rebooted, Still flicker there. I turned off and removed batteries, put back in, Flicker still there at 1x and it lost Zero again. Someone please help. Getting frustrated at this point. I hate to do it cause I love the technology but I may have to send it back to ATN. What is all your ideas.
Thanks

confused2 hammer
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 07:28 PM

The losing zero thing is wierd Eric, the advice in the manual is to remove batteries if not using the scope for 10 days or more, so you'd think it must have an internal power supply just to keep the settings in memory.
I did experience some flickering in day mode on the first X-Sight I had, but the replacement I got has not done it at all. Would be worth speaking to them directly I reckon, doesn't sound right at all.
Posted By: TomH FW

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 07:35 PM

Eric: not sure about the effects of the dead batteries, but I can tell you that the nuts on the rails on mine come loose WAY too easily. I am going to re-sight mine, and will need to go by some loc-tite blue.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 08:02 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
I have some good news and bad news with my X sight. The powering off has been solved via keeping battery cap tight. However today I experienced 2 new problems. First my scope lost zero after the last time I went to the range. At 100 yards it was off by 8 inches to the right. Now a few days ago I did not properly turn the unit off and the batteries died. I think they were dead for a couple days. Could that have caused me to loose zero?? Now after I got it zeroed in it started to flicker in day mode. Crazy thing is if I zoomed in a bit the flicker stopped. Only at 1X. This is the first time that ever happend to me. I turned the unit off, and rebooted, Still flicker there. I turned off and removed batteries, put back in, Flicker still there at 1x and it lost Zero again. Someone please help. Getting frustrated at this point. I hate to do it cause I love the technology but I may have to send it back to ATN. What is all your ideas.
Thanks


Thanks JimmyB and Tom, JimmyB, what color are your buttons? Red or Black on the replacement??
confused2 hammer
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 08:04 PM

SachalATN, Do you think the flickering I started to experience is from firmware or something that shook loose inside my X sight? What do you recoommend, I e mail Aaron in your office as well so he may be asking you the same question. Last quick questions for you. Is the warranty 2 years on these digital scopes thru you guys.
Thanks
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 08:50 PM

My replacement had red buttons. Same as the first I had.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 09:51 PM

Anyone having issues with the app crashing while using the view finder function? Also this seems obvious but will the scope lose zero after taking the batteries out?
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 10:11 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
I have some good news and bad news with my X sight. The powering off has been solved via keeping battery cap tight. However today I experienced 2 new problems. First my scope lost zero after the last time I went to the range. At 100 yards it was off by 8 inches to the right. Now a few days ago I did not properly turn the unit off and the batteries died. I think they were dead for a couple days. Could that have caused me to loose zero?? Now after I got it zeroed in it started to flicker in day mode. Crazy thing is if I zoomed in a bit the flicker stopped. Only at 1X. This is the first time that ever happend to me. I turned the unit off, and rebooted, Still flicker there. I turned off and removed batteries, put back in, Flicker still there at 1x and it lost Zero again. Someone please help. Getting frustrated at this point. I hate to do it cause I love the technology but I may have to send it back to ATN. What is all your ideas.
Thanks


Ok, Here is another update, I got home and turned on the scope. Now the flicker is gone. I didnt change a thing. Only thing that is different is when I was at the range it was a real bright and clear day. Do you think it may have been too bright?

Thanks JimmyB and Tom, JimmyB, what color are your buttons? Red or Black on the replacement??
confused2 hammer
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 10:36 PM

Why did you repost that twice? Contact your guy at ATN and get an RMA. If they diagnose and fix it on yours, the rest of the buyers will (should?) benefit.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/16/15 10:50 PM

My app on the iPad crashes when I change the zoom whilst the viewfinder is on. It also sometimes gets a really choppy picture for a minute or so, then settles down.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 02:37 AM

Xsight 3x update.

We received few thousand scopes today. Now they are going to go through QC and then will start shipping.

any new orders, give yourself 45 to 60 days. We have a huge, I mean huge backorder on the 3-12x.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 02:38 AM

All,
There is going to be a new firmware released sunday. Big thing would be the reticle in the video.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 02:41 AM

Thanks for the update Sachal. Keep on bringing the good news!
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 03:24 AM

Sachal,

Did the "retrofit" manual focus/ sun shade kits arrive for the original 3x models yet?
Posted By: matt mg

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 03:31 AM

I am a new member from big spring TX I just got a x sight 5x18 it is awesome and you guys have posted some great info on this forum that helped me get it up and going with no problems
thanks guys
Matt
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 04:05 AM

Sachal,
Do you have information on what this next firmware update will correct, was it just putting the reticle on video or are there other fixes or activations of features. Thanks so much for keeping us informed as much as you do.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 04:53 AM

Originally Posted By: jimmyb79
Originally Posted By: SachalATN
Mo smile

Thanks for the recommendations, have you been spying on ATN..lol???

We cant spill the beans just yet my friend wink


Ah - so there could be a use for the USB port after all! Nice rangefinder add on connected via USB? Go on Sachal - we won't tell... whistle


Lol I cannot lie smile so I rather hold my tongue but you guys will be pleased.

As for the update, it is going to address some bug in the system, along with compass and reticle in the video. Also BDC. It is going to be basic for now but the moment we transition to the firmware 2.0, tons of things are going to be addressed.

Guys, we are very close but as some of you know, it's a lot of back end testing.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 05:00 AM

Also,
idk if you guys have realized it but we didn't cap the magnification. We say the scopes are 3 to 12 but we initially didn't cap the magnification and it was being magnified 10x.

So you think you have 3-12, when you actually were getting 3-30. So with the new firmware it will cap the magnification to 4x. Now YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION TO REMOVE THE CAP, but the default magnification will be capped at 4x.
This would also address the reticle going off the screen.

Once we transition to 2.0, the zoom would be centered to the reticle not the screen.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 05:34 AM

Is the 10x zoom for the 5-18x scopes also?
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 05:59 AM

Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Is the 10x zoom for the 5-18x scopes also?


Yes.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 06:07 AM

Sweet! Makes sense now smile. Also, thanks for the quick updates and replies.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 08:08 AM

he didn't post the same thing twice, he is adding within his own quote
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 02:46 PM

I went out to the range this morning to run some tests on my x sight. Bright light hitting the scope seems to be causing the flicker. It's slight but you do notice it. Put up a umbrella and the flicker went away. I am wondering if the sun shade will help with this.
Sachal: when and how will ATN sell the sun shades or provide them to us.
Thanks
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 05:10 PM

really I think the top priority with most people is the flicker in night mode, when will that be fixed...?
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 05:26 PM

flehan
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 05:47 PM

Is it weird that I am not disappointed about my scope being delayed? It seems that by the time I get my preordered unit, a bunch of the software bugs will have already been worked out, but there'll probably still be new feature rollouts even after I get it.



I'd just like to point out that the ability to fix or upgrade a scope without sending it back to the factory is pretty unprecedented. When I first started seeing discussions about the X-Sight, especially after videos and such started coming out, there were lots of complaints/nitpicking. I found it ironic that so many people using the internet would do this. These are the same people who don't think twice about their PC doing Windows Updates and such. We are so used to doing this for our computers, phones, etc, but when it came to a scope, very few seemed to understand that THIS scope would have more in common with their home PC than with any scope they'd ever used.

Fast-forward 1 year, and the discussion has finally changed in tone (mostly). I think a lot of people's old-world thinking is JUST NOW starting to break down, and they are finally realizing that the X-Sight is a COMPUTER. You have to treat it like one. It won't be perfect, it will need constant updates to fix software glitches, but what you get for your trouble is the ability to UPGRADE and EXPAND after purchase - and make it do things you never dreamed of! The problems will be fixed, new features will be added. I think that this is a game-changer in the firearms industry. Consumers will at first marvel, then grow to accept, and before long, demand the ability to UPGRADE and EXPAND after purchase. The competition is going to have to do something to keep up, and we all know that competition like that is good for the consumer.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 05:58 PM

In the consumer electronics industry, when you ship something capable of less than what the marketing materials say, what usually happens?

I will tell you: EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THIS...and sometimes more. Class action suits come to mind.

Basically, ATN HAS to make the scope perform in a way that very closely approximates what the box says, and what their website says. If it does more, that's a bonus everyone can be happy about. If it does ANY less, they get what we have here today: unhappy customers out $500-$800 waiting for the software to catch up with what was promised rather than constantly testing a product I don't think anyone except maybe you was planning to test (for free).

When you bought your PC, did it take months and multiple software updates for the USB to work? The monitor?
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/17/15 06:30 PM

Along the lines of my previous post, I think ATN is also learning something important too.

When you release a COMPUTER based product, you have to provide COMPUTER-like support for that product!

I work as an upper-level supervisor for an outsourced Internet technical support firm. We're based in the USA, and provide over-the-phone support for 60-70 different internet companies. I've done this for 11 years, and I've pretty much heard it all. I've seen companies really excel, and others who go down the tubes - and it ALL hinges on how well you support your customers.

So, Sachal, here are a few tips for you guys going forward. These are pretty universal axioms, but they become 100x more important when dealing with technology. Especially technology that will be used by people that are not very tech savvy. You guys have had some good successes, and some stumbles. I hope that you will accept these axioms into your company culture, as you build up your support structure for the X-sight and future Obsidian-Core products, as you roll them out.

1. Customers have 2 basic needs.
A) To be heard, and understood. You must state clearly and directly, that you have heard their frustrations, that you understand where they're coming from, and that you do not like the situation any more than they do.
B) ACTION. Customers want to know what you are going to DO about the problem. It is not enough to tell them you will "do something", or that it's "being done". That isn't enough. You must tell them WHAT you are doing - even if it's vague and they don't understand it.

The most effective combination, is to do both A) and B), in the same breath. "We know that ___ is frustrating. It's frustrating for us to, so we're going to do ___."

For instance... your response to the focus problem on the 3-12X, by stating the problem wasn't acceptable, and clearly outlining what you would do about it, and how you would make it right for people who both received theirs, and those who had yet to receive them. You communicated clearly, and made recompense, and give them a little extra for the letdown. I know this cost you guys money in the short term, but this was a Customer Service WIN. Do more of that.


2. The Problem is not the problem. How the problem is handled, BECOMES the problem. Customers are generally pretty forgiving about problems, they understand that bad things happen. What they are NOT forgiving about, is poor response to those problems. They hate stalling, stonewalling, wheedling, and generally anything that comes across as the company acting like an ostrich, sticking their head in the sand and trying to avoid the issue. Failures to address concerns clearly, completely, and with honesty will translate into massive reputation loss. Success in doing this can translate into big gains in reputation and loyalty.


3. Customer "Satisfaction" is not enough. Having a customer be "satisfied" does not mean the same thing as the customer being "happy". Satisfaction is a logical state, whereas "Happy" is an emotional state. You want to make an emotional connection with your customers. Heartfelt apologies for things that go wrong - admitting your mistakes shows you have integrity. A customer who is merely "satisfied" will jump ship to a competitor the moment a better deal comes along. A "happy" customer is far more likely to stay loyal to your company, even if it costs more than the competition. In addition, only "happy" customers can be reliably counted on to buy additional products and services in the future. Happy Customers should be your goal. Don't settle for "satisfied".


4. Treat customers like your Boss' grandmother. This is a gem that my own boss taught me. I have no idea how some people might treat their own grandmothers, but I know EXACTLY how they will treat their Boss' grandmother. With the absolute highest respect, care, patience, attention, and courtesy they can muster. You'd never abuse your Boss' grandma, or take advantage of her, or be anything but honest and caring.


5. Actively manage customer expectations. Don't tell them you can do something if you can't. Don't promise something if you, yourself - or those in your office, are not the ones who can personally deliver on that promise. If you are not the person (or department) who is handling the problem personally, tell them who is. If you have any knowledge of the factors that will affect their issue, tell them what they are. Tell them if it will be delayed, and give them your best estimate. Share what you know, when you know, and keep the lines of communication open. Actively update them. Call or email them back (see #3 above). Anticipate the questions they will have ahead of time, and have answers prepared. If you respond to problems with promptness, confidence, honesty, integrity, and competence - customers will trust you, even if you have to be vague on the details once in a while.

--- I'll end my rant here, but I want you guys to be successful. I foresee that if you haven't been doing it already, you'll be ramping up your Tech Support department in the coming months/years. I wanted to provide you guys with some core values to build that team around, because I've seen so many companies succeed or fail, purely on their ability (or lack thereof) to hold onto these values. If you treat them as laws that cannot be broken, success in the High-Tech world will follow.
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275

When you bought your PC, did it take months and multiple software updates for the USB to work? The monitor?


((My very first PC was a 386SX, with only DOS - so ill skip that one, everyone back then fixed their own problems))

For my first Windows PC... Actually, Yes. Exactly this, and more.

USB did not work. It was 1.0 technology that was brand new, and had little support. The devices they did have, didn't work properly.

There were BSODs (blue screens of death) constantly. Hardware support was hit-or-miss. Sometimes, NO, your video card WOULDNT work properly.

It took 2 years for Windows 95 to become stable, and usable in a business environment.

Fast forward a few years to Windows XP.

Win XP had lots of BSODs. Also, it had a major vulnerability that allowed it to be DIRECTLY attacked, infected, and spread that infection without any customer interaction whatsoever. I personally witnessed a brand new PC, out of the box (with all available updates pre-installed via clean disk) - plugged into the internet. Without any human interaction at all, within 8 seconds it was infected. 30 minutes later it had so many additional infections drive-by installed on it that the machine was dead, and failed to boot. It had to be wiped and reinstalled from the disk.

Can you imagine if people's scopes were doing THAT? I can. I'm glad that it -hasn't-.

- BTW, It took Microsoft over 1 year, and A BILLION DOLLARS of development, to resolve the problems.


I'm not gonna lie and say that I think the X-Sight rollout was smooth. It wasn't. Their marketing was far too ahead of their ability to deliver. However, the rollout of the X-Sight AT THE TIME OF SHIPPING has been, by and large, par for the course when it comes to brand new high tech gear. (I dont mean new versions of old gear, but BRAND NEW devices the world has never seen before -- this is actually pretty normal).
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 06:48 PM

Nawwwww.... When I bought my first cell phone that was the size of a suitcase it worked perfect right out of the box. Never had a dropped call, all the cell towers were already there, call anywhere, anytime...

rofl
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 06:52 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
Nawwwww.... When I bought my first cell phone that was the size of a suitcase it worked perfect right out of the box. Never had a dropped call, all the cell towers were already there, call anywhere, anytime...

rofl


I've owned oceanfront property in Arizona my whole life, too. I enjoy margaritas and long walks on my private beach. cheers


Back on topic--- ATN is fixing problems. It won't be as fast or as complete as most people will like, but it'll get there. They've put too many company resources on the line to let it fail.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/17/15 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
Nawwwww.... When I bought my first cell phone that was the size of a suitcase it worked perfect right out of the box. Never had a dropped call, all the cell towers were already there, call anywhere, anytime...

rofl


lol, mine wasn't quite the size of a suitcase, but guaranteed if I hit someone with it would have crushed their skull
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 05:16 AM

Some people asked about the sun shades. They will be available to purchase separately.
Thank you.

Don't forget to visit us at shot show. We are launching yet another product.
Posted By: Oldsnipr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 07:16 AM

It would sure be nice if you got the current product working before you launch another new one.
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 08:16 AM

Why can't both go hand in hand?
Posted By: Wildone

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 10:41 AM

The day I bought my 5x18 I had intended on buying another brand entirely. I listened to the manager of my LGS and decided on the ATN X Sight. I was in my LGS again a few days ago and talked to this fellow again. I explained the base plate was out of line from the scope, the floating reticle, the flickering screen and the massive battery drain,He was surprised at the issues that were going on. He stated that it had such a clear picture but admitted that he hadn't installed it on a rifle or tried to zero it in yet. I was playing with the scope again this same night trying the shimming thing and realized that the illuminator only had one setting, ON. adjusted the lens and pushed the + or - which had absolutely no effect. That doesn't bother me at the moment and perhaps it's another topic, anyways, the manager asked me to be patient and he would do some checking around as he knew of a few guys that had bought one and didn't think they had had any issues, quite honestly I would be surprised if I am told anything different than what has been mentioned in this thread. I still haven't decided if I am going to return mine or not. Had I known what I know now I would not have bought this scope. Way to many issues out of the box. However, dammit, I like the scope. I think all of us on this thread are being very patient and respectful to ATN at the moment when most would have said screw this. I also think SachalATN has been trying to keep everyone updated the best he can. Just hope I am not disappointed or let down with the fixes/ updates. I had hoped to have all this taken care of before my hog hunt...probably not going to happen though. Dang!!!!!
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 01:07 PM

It sure would be nice that ATN would give us a discount on the Sun Shade as that would be a nice bone for us since we were basically beta testers or as the Pres. Of ATN calls us early adopters of the product. I will be really disappointed if I find out the sun shade s are included with new 5 x in a couple months. I guess we shall see if this is going to be a fiftty dollar upgrade for us. Just food for thought. I do realize that we have other issues you all want fixed but this is the quickest fix for better color resolution as I proved that to myself yesterday with a umbrella.
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 02:07 PM

Sachal,

All I ask is that you please let us know when the new batch of 3-12x units pass QC testing and start getting shipped.

Also, out of curiosity, could you give us some insight into the QC process itself? How are units selected for testing? (IE: Of course, it's random, but HOW is the random selection done) What's your sample rate? (1 in 3? 1 in 10? 1 in 100?). What are the types of checklists the QC testers must go through? How are new tests introduced, and customer feedback implemented?

I know this is revealing quite a bit about how your business operates, but I think the benefits of this openness with your customers would greatly offset the drawbacks of your competitors learning about how you operate.

Thanks
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Sachal,

All I ask is that you please let us know when the new batch of 3-12x units pass QC testing and start getting shipped.

Also, out of curiosity, could you give us some insight into the QC process itself? How are units selected for testing? (IE: Of course, it's random, but HOW is the random selection done) What's your sample rate? (1 in 3? 1 in 10? 1 in 100?). What are the types of checklists the QC testers must go through? How are new tests introduced, and customer feedback implemented?

I know this is revealing quite a bit about how your business operates, but I think the benefits of this openness with your customers would greatly offset the drawbacks of your competitors learning about how you operate.

Thanks


I dont really see ATN releasing any of the info you requested with the exception of the 3x units being shipped. Most of what your asking for would be nothing but ammo for other companies to use against them.
The offset still wouldnt be worth it them IMO. Granted they have been slow wth the information and the updates , they are slowly getting around to correcting the issues, granted they are not in the order I see they should be but at least they are addressing them.
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 03:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2

I dont really see ATN releasing any of the info you requested with the exception of the 3x units being shipped. Most of what your asking for would be nothing but ammo for other companies to use against them.
The offset still wouldnt be worth it them IMO. Granted they have been slow wth the information and the updates , they are slowly getting around to correcting the issues, granted they are not in the order I see they should be but at least they are addressing them.


In my opinion, that's exactly why they need to do it. If giving their competitors 'ammunition' concerns them, then the obvious benefit of being open about the process, would be to show how they are adapting to service the customer better. *IF* they are adapting properly, they prove they are agile and capable of handling adversity - this is a positive thing. The only reason at all to be closed-lipped about their process, would be if they are NOT adapting properly, and worse yet, know that they are not. Making the process transparent keeps a company honest. Honest companies are trustworthy. Trustworthy companies gain loyal customers.

It all goes back to the concepts I pointed out previously. These core values DO work. They DO make money. A company must truly believe in them, though, to make it work for them. Either they already do, and are willing to be open about it... or they don't yet believe in them, and, well... we the consumers need to see it for what it is. That then puts the company in the position of making the choice. "Do we want a reputation for honesty, or do we not care?"

If they choose to be open, that then shines a light on their competitors. If they are open, and their competitors are not, consumers will naturally ask "These guys will tell us, Why won't you? What are you hiding?".

See where I'm going with this?

You don't have to give away trade secrets, or proprietary design elements, to show your process openly. Good practices are good practices, and generally universal.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 03:21 PM

Sachal, do you know about what time today ATN will release the new firmware?
Posted By: Bob-pr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 05:48 PM

Sachal what is the avg time for a rma fix/replacement? my 5x was received at your plant on 6th of Jan as when I received it it was DOA.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 07:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Bob-pr
Sachal what is the avg time for a rma fix/replacement? my 5x was received at your plant on 6th of Jan as when I received it it was DOA.


welcome
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 07:10 PM

Originally Posted By: matt mg
I am a new member from big spring TX I just got a x sight 5x18 it is awesome and you guys have posted some great info on this forum that helped me get it up and going with no problems
thanks guys
Matt


welcome
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 07:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Oldsnpr
It would sure be nice if you got the current product working before you launch another new one.


welcome
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs

welcome x3


wtf scratch confused2 up roflmao
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 07:46 PM

And yes, welcome to all the new guys! cheers up
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 08:16 PM

Welcome Mo wink
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 08:30 PM

LOL, Hi!

You can tell we're just waiting for someone to post something cool or discussion worthy about the X-Sight! hammer
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 08:38 PM

Yea, like new firmware posted. NOT!!!
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 08:44 PM

The odds were never that great on that happening. Just keep telling yourself: "This is like the Windows 95 launch. I should expect, neé, I ASKED for these broken promises." Am I getting it now, Mo?
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 09:01 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Yea, like new firmware posted. NOT!!!



Did you really think they would release on a Sunday? Odds are against it as well as their track record.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 09:10 PM

Awe common guys, gotta have some faith. Lol
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 09:30 PM

I'd go on the previous update which came a day later than they said. Maybe tomorrow?
Keep asking if it'll be tomorrow and maybe one day it'll be right!
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 09:34 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
The odds were never that great on that happening. Just keep telling yourself: "This is like the Windows 95 launch. I should expect, neé, I ASKED for these broken promises." Am I getting it now, Mo?


Close. It's more like "It's -going- to be unstable. Things are -going- to not work right. I need to expect that things will randomly screw up, and it'll take a while to fix."

BUT - what no one expected (not even me, and not even ATN) was the order of magnitude. Big software companies like Microsoft understand software development cycles, and they can anticipate potential letdowns, and mitigate them.

What a lot of the public didn't factor into their expectations, is that this was a company who had never done -this kind- of work before. It's not their fault, because this is new territory for anybody. Now, if SONY decided to build a digital riflescope, you might have seen a smoother rollout - from the tech side. Not from the rifle-scope side.

Analogy: It's like taking a guy who's built a kit car in his garage, and suddenly telling him to go build an Formula 1 car. It's an order of magnitude more challenging, with problems he hasn't even considered. It isn't his fault. He just doesn't know what things he doesn't know, until he stumbles. An experienced Indy car team would already know, but he has to learn the hard way. Even if he were to ask experienced Formula 1 Car builders for advice, he'd still have trouble making it reliable and safe, for a while. Eventually, if he sticks with it, survives the stumbles, and learns from it - he'll become one of the experienced Formula 1 Car builders.

Let's take this one step further. Let's take away this car builder's hundreds of millions of dollars in development budget, and the 2-4 Million dollar price of each car, and make him build it for the same cost as a Corvette. High end, but priced so 'normal people' can afford it.

Basically, that's what ATN is doing.

Now, ATN has done some good Thermal stuff, which probably has some of these features. In the above analogy, that's less like a Kit Car builder, and more like a Dirt Track race team. They know racing and they know cars, but never a -Formula 1- magnitude car. Thermal scopes out there right now are still way different than throwing all this high tech gear in the package, and then literally building a miniature computer to make it all work, and auto-calculate things for you. It's an order of magnitude more complicated, and that brings challenges no one stepping into this territory for the first time would know right away.

So I'll wrap up my comparison by comparing the ONLY 2 products that exist in this category right now.
Compare the features (and the amount of time spent in development) to the cost to buy the unit.

Formula 1 Car:
TrackingPoint Precision Guided 5.56 AR
MSRP Cost: $7,495
Effective Range: Up to 580 Yards

Corvette:
ATN X-Sight -- Smart HD Weapon Sight
MSRP Cost: $629-$749
Effective Range: Up to 300-ish yards.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 09:39 PM

roflmao
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 09:43 PM

I would be willing to bet the Corvette never shipped with wheels that didn't point straight down the road. smirk
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 09:49 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
I would be willing to bet the Corvette never shipped with wheels that didn't point straight down the road. smirk


--Cough!--

GM issues Two Stop-Delivery Orders on 2015 Corvette Stinray

You would be wrong.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 09:53 PM

moshooter, I understand software development but if you advertise one thing and send a partial that's a big problem. I sell homes for a living, do you really think if I advertise the home has central air and when you buy it there is no central air. I would be sued in a hart beat. Another example: you buy a car and they tell you your gonna get a nice set of rims and you end up getting the stock rims. You will be all over them. I bought a scope and I expect to get what you advertise. I understand you backing them up and that's fine if you are good with what you received. But I'm not. Some of us really want this to work, however some of us have a limited time frame on returning the scope for a refund if they don't get it right. I really like the idea of this scope and I've been working thru issues with mine. If Atn says they are going to release a update it needs to be done. Period!!
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 09:57 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
do you really think if I advertise the home has central air and when you buy it there is no central air.


Funny you mention that. That's EXACTLY what happened to my home when I bought it!

I moved in Dec 24th. It was running full blast, and made it to a balmy 46º in my living room on Christmas Morning. WITH the use of a portable space heater. The system was there, but didn't work.

They fixed it, BTW. Just took a while.

EDIT:

I haven't received my scope yet. I'm still waiting. My whole point is that I'm fine with waiting, and I'll be fine with minor problems when I finally get it. I'm also fine with waiting for features to become unlocked later, once the software is ready.

I guess my patience threshold is different than most people. Going through Immigration twice, Living in subarctic boreal forests of Canada for 3 years, and working in Tech Support for 11 years, will do that to you.
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 10:09 PM

Did I tell y'all about the first cell phone I bought? My Windows OS always runs glitch free too...and...how long have they been doing that? banana
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 10:11 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
Did I tell y'all about the first cell phone I bought? My Windows OS always runs glitch free too...and...how long have they been doing that? banana


roflmao roflmao roflmao
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 10:56 PM

Relax guys it will come I have proven the scope works as is awesome for the price point. Please all of your who are being negative just return the scope and purchase one from a competitor. Make sure the only charge you $750 for it. I for one will wait for the update. Even if one neve comes I will keep this scope as it does what I need it to do for the price I'm willing to spend.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 11:15 PM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
All,
There is going to be a new firmware released sunday. Big thing would be the reticle in the video.


Sachal? Trying to get the thread on topic for this or other possible changes. I plan on hunting this week, but not taking the scope along until at least the crosshairs are in the recording.

Also, you seem to always avoid the question on where the flicker in night mode stands? Where is this at, what do you know?
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/18/15 11:51 PM

Ill bet ATN's website is blowing up today with everyone checking for the firmware update.
Curious minds want to know.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 12:25 AM

Considering that it is a holiday weekend, a Sunday, AND that they lied a couple of different times, I wasn't even going to look until Tuesday.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
do you really think if I advertise the home has central air and when you buy it there is no central air.


Funny you mention that. That's EXACTLY what happened to my home when I bought it!

I moved in Dec 24th. It was running full blast, and made it to a balmy 46º in my living room on Christmas Morning. WITH the use of a portable space heater. The system was there, but didn't work.

They fixed it, BTW. Just took a while.


Days, I am guessing? This has been MONTHS. You don't have a scope...or a point. I appreciate that you appreciate that everyone else gets to squash these bugs while you sit on the sidelines, but the fact remains that (I think) this forum was created for owners to discuss problems they were having with scopes they have/ had IN HAND. Maybe you should stay on the sidelines until yours arrives...and WHEN it does...just keep your concerns to yourself, Patient Man. smirk
Posted By: Oldsnipr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 01:08 AM

I not holding my breathe even for something on Tuesday. I still see the 1.8...200 firmware when I check the website? Based on ATN's performance (or lack thereof) so far I bet it will be months before the get all the critical issues fixed (assuming that they do get them fixed). I've already missed 2 hunts not being able to use my X-Sight, not that ATN cares. This is definitely one case where I hope they prove me wrong!
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 01:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Oldsnpr
I not holding my breathe even for something on Tuesday. I still see the 1.8...200 firmware when I check the website? Based on ATN's performance (or lack thereof) so far I bet it will be months before the get all the critical issues fixed (assuming that they do get them fixed). I've already missed 2 hunts not being able to use my X-Sight, not that ATN cares. This is definitely one case where I hope they prove me wrong!


How is your scope unusable? Seems that all of them are working, yes they have issues but nothing I have seen would cause you to miss a hunt because you cant use it.
What causes yours to not function?
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 01:22 AM

Notice the scope in this picture



How about this picture

Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 01:23 AM

clap aim clap
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 01:30 AM

Nice Kills, What are you shooting 223 or 300 Blk laugh
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 01:33 AM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Nice Kills, What are you shooting 223 or 300 Blk laugh


6.8 SPC pig shot in the head 200 yards dear 160 yards
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 02:05 AM

Nice Cyberpyrot
Posted By: TomH FW

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 02:19 AM

Well I sat out in the dark and cold last night with my 5-18, but NO hogs! Did get to watch some deer using my UNV20ir, but never pulled the trigger. Tried taking some pics, but they turned out real grainy.
Posted By: Oldsnipr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 09:11 AM

When I tried to zero my scope the reticle is almost off the screen at 1x. If I zoom at all the reticle is not on the screen, I have the night flicker bug, and batteries only last 30 min if I'm lucky. (yes I have tried several different type including lithium). Who wants to try to make a good shot with the reticle almost off the field of view, or with the image constantly flickering? But aside from that I expect a product (especially one that cost $700) to work per the manufacturers specs and advertised features. This scope should have been sold as a beta test, or maybe even an alpha test because it's certainly does not meet the advertised specs or features! That way each of us could have decided if we want to help ATN work out the bugs and get it working properly. Bottom line ATN brought this scope to market before they had it working to their own specs but of course they did not inform potential customers of that fact.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 11:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Oldsnpr
When I tried to zero my scope the reticle is almost off the screen at 1x. If I zoom at all the reticle is not on the screen, I have the night flicker bug, and batteries only last 30 min if I'm lucky. (yes I have tried several different type including lithium). Who wants to try to make a good shot with the reticle almost off the field of view, or with the image constantly flickering? But aside from that I expect a product (especially one that cost $700) to work per the manufacturers specs and advertised features. This scope should have been sold as a beta test, or maybe even an alpha test because it's certainly does not meet the advertised specs or features! That way each of us could have decided if we want to help ATN work out the bugs and get it working properly. Bottom line ATN brought this scope to market before they had it working to their own specs but of course they did not inform potential customers of that fact.


Sounds like you got a defective unit. Send it back. Ask for a refund they will do that. All of these issues are know since the beginning of this thread and where going to be resolved with a firmware update. Why is it the thread goes south with the new members. I think it is the same people who made the last threads get closed and lock who just signed up with a new account to get this thread locked. The point of this thread was not to bitch about the known glitches but to talk about using the scope and help others with it. Do you even own the scope? Or you just here to bash it?

Going forward lets not complain about the know issues only report new issues here. for the ones who believe the scope is unusable as is and believe there will never be any firmware to resolve those issues simple ship your scope back and get a refund then dig up another $1k - $2k and buy the competitors scope.


also I had deer chili last night for dinner and boar hot sausage for breakfast from this scope im not saying I gould not have achieved the same with another scope but I can watch the video of the shot in color with this one laugh
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 01:29 PM

cyberpyrot,

I wish I could upvote you on this board. Twice. clap

So that the whiners stop whining about the product being ready...

Let me show you where you currently are, in the Technology Adoption Lifecycle.

You are here: Early Adopter

These are not new concepts. They've been around since the 1960's. If you don't know this by now, that's not someone else's fault.

Just like Cyberpyrot said, these complaints are known problems. This thread is 27 pages long. Don't be lazy, and read it first before you post. That's called Netiquette, by the way. It's the modern version of "read the sign first".

Now, I am not unsympathetic to people who have had genuine PROBLEMS with their scopes. Crooked scope mounts and such. That sucks, it's unacceptable, and you really should get an RMA for it - no doubt about it. That DOES make the scope not work properly. It's a manufacturer defect, which is the entire reason why a warranty exists. I sincerely hope that such problems get resolved for you guys quickly, and satisfactorily, because any scope maker should know how to avoid these things.

I'm a demanding customer, and want good value for my money just like anyone else. I also am demanding of MYSELF, to understand what I'm getting, and to know how to use it properly. Sometimes documentation is wrong, or outdated. Sometimes there's a 'trick' to getting things to work out. I think it's an Early Adopter's responsibility to themselves and their fellows to learn all they can ahead of time, apply the latest knowledge, and provide useful and constructive feedback.

That is what this thread is about. That's why *I* am here, BEFORE I get my scope. That way, I know what *I* need to do when i get the scope, to have the best experience possible. I see that as the responsible thing to do. That way I'll know how to avoid some of the earlier problems, and I don't show up and ask a question that has already been answered.

On that note, maybe someone who has more experience (maybe HuntTXhogs or cyberpyrot) can make a post with bullet points of the known issues, issues currently being addressed by ATN, and new issues people have reported? I think that'd be very useful.
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 02:07 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
also I had deer chili last night for dinner and boar hot sausage for breakfast from this scope im not saying I gould not have achieved the same with another scope but I can watch the video of the shot in color with this one laugh


So here's the real question. When will you upload it so WE can watch it in color with you? laugh
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by MoShootr
Originally Posted by cyberpyrot
also I had deer chili last night for dinner and boar hot sausage for breakfast from this scope im not saying I gould not have achieved the same with another scope but I can watch the video of the shot in color with this one laugh


So here's the real question. When will you upload it so WE can watch it in color with you? laugh


little pig down



big buck



dear playing

Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 02:37 PM

Mighty fine shots there - in both senses of the word.

I can tell by the way it looks, that the video compression youtube performs on these really doesn't do the originals justice.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 02:43 PM

Originally Posted By: MoShootr
cyberpyrot,

I wish I could upvote you on this board. Twice. clap

So that the whiners stop whining about the product being ready...


I don't think it's whining I think they are legitimate concerns. People bought a product advertised to work with a lot of cool features and that's not what they got.

As you said and some one already pointed out, you don't even have an X-sight so why are you talking on an "Owner's discussion" thread?
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: MoShootr
cyberpyrot,

I wish I could upvote you on this board. Twice. clap

So that the whiners stop whining about the product being ready...


I don't think it's whining I think they are legitimate concerns. People bought a product advertised to work with a lot of cool features and that's not what they got.

As you said and some one already pointed out, you don't even have an X-sight so why are you talking on an "Owner's discussion" thread?


I agree with you about the legitimate concerns. But rehashing or venting concerns of already know issues helps no one. It just causes unnecessary bickering when this thread was supposed to be here to help people and report new issues. no one here has a fix for those issues it was already established it would be resolved with firmware update.. ATN already made good on one firmware update the fixed a few issues. All I stated was if you cant wait for the firmware update send it back and get a refund.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 02:51 PM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN


Ah - so there could be a use for the USB port after all! Nice rangefinder add on connected via USB? Go on Sachal - we won't tell... whistle

Lol I cannot lie smile so I rather hold my tongue but you guys will be pleased.

As for the update, it is going to address some bug in the system, along with compass and reticle in the video. Also BDC. It is going to be basic for now but the moment we transition to the firmware 2.0, tons of things are going to be addressed.

Guys, we are very close but as some of you know, it's a lot of back end testing.

[quote=SachalATN]Also,
idk if you guys have realized it but we didn't cap the magnification. We say the scopes are 3 to 12 but we initially didn't cap the magnification and it was being magnified 10x.

So you think you have 3-12, when you actually were getting 3-30. So with the new firmware it will cap the magnification to 4x. Now YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION TO REMOVE THE CAP, but the default magnification will be capped at 4x.
This would also address the reticle going off the screen.

Once we transition to 2.0, the zoom would be centered to the reticle not the screen.


sounds like firmware 2.0 will fix most of his issues
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 02:51 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah

As you said and some one already pointed out, you don't even have an X-sight so why are you talking on an "Owner's discussion" thread?


Honestly? Really? I already answered that question, before you asked it.

Go back and READ the post. I told you why already. This illustrates my point EXACTLY.

bang
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 02:56 PM

Quite honestly, ATN has been pretty quick to fix known issues, and if not fixed has at least addressed them and when they will be fixed. For the people who are having no issues, the scope is seeming revolutionary. For those that do, hope the situation gets rectified quickly because the working scope is pretty awesome. Is the screen flicker at night annoying? Yes. Does it make the scope unusable or make me want to return it? Absolutely not. It seems like people who have had a bad experience/who are impatient are trying to convince everyone else that their scopes are junk as well. If you got a bunk scope, take it up with ATN or return it. Otherwise, we are around a month in and the problems are being addressed. As has been said numerous times, don't expect a 3k scope for 700 bucks.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:02 PM

Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah

As you said and some one already pointed out, you don't even have an X-sight so why are you talking on an "Owner's discussion" thread?


Honestly? Really? I already answered that question, before you asked it.

Go back and READ the post. I told you why already. This illustrates my point EXACTLY.

bang


Honestly I have a hard time making it through your bull sh!t posts. All you do in every post is defend ATN and a POS product. Do you work for them? Are you a big ATN dealer? I don't understand how you can talk crap about everyone on this OWNER'S DISCUSSION thread that have LEGITIMATE issues when you don't even own the scope.

bang back
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:04 PM

Someone should list out the things that the ATN scope didn't follow through on. I'm not talking about specific unit defects, I'm talking about across the board failures from what was promised.
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:08 PM

Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Someone should list out the things that the ATN scope didn't follow through on. I'm not talking about specific unit defects, I'm talking about across the board failures from what was promised.



I don't need to justify myself to anyone who can't be bothered to read, so I'm just going to wait for a response to THIS question.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:10 PM

I'll start since I forgot to mention the video flickering (even though not everyone is reporting that).
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:16 PM

Originally Posted By: MoShootr
cyberpyrot,

I wish I could upvote you on this board. Twice. clap

So that the whiners stop whining about the product being ready...

Let me show you where you currently are, in the Technology Adoption Lifecycle.

You are here: Early Adopter

These are not new concepts. They've been around since the 1960's. If you don't know this by now, that's not someone else's fault.

Just like Cyberpyrot said, these complaints are known problems. This thread is 27 pages long. Don't be lazy, and read it first before you post. That's called Netiquette, by the way. It's the modern version of "read the sign first".

Now, I am not unsympathetic to people who have had genuine PROBLEMS with their scopes. Crooked scope mounts and such. That sucks, it's unacceptable, and you really should get an RMA for it - no doubt about it. That DOES make the scope not work properly. It's a manufacturer defect, which is the entire reason why a warranty exists. I sincerely hope that such problems get resolved for you guys quickly, and satisfactorily, because any scope maker should know how to avoid these things.

I'm a demanding customer, and want good value for my money just like anyone else. I also am demanding of MYSELF, to understand what I'm getting, and to know how to use it properly. Sometimes documentation is wrong, or outdated. Sometimes there's a 'trick' to getting things to work out. I think it's an Early Adopter's responsibility to themselves and their fellows to learn all they can ahead of time, apply the latest knowledge, and provide useful and constructive feedback.

That is what this thread is about. That's why *I* am here, BEFORE I get my scope. That way, I know what *I* need to do when i get the scope, to have the best experience possible. I see that as the responsible thing to do. That way I'll know how to avoid some of the earlier problems, and I don't show up and ask a question that has already been answered.

On that note, maybe someone who has more experience (maybe HuntTXhogs or cyberpyrot) can make a post with bullet points of the known issues, issues currently being addressed by ATN, and new issues people have reported? I think that'd be very useful.


NO ONE VOLUNTEERED FOR "EARLY ADOPTER" STATUS. GET THAT.

I have read the thread. Have you? People who have contributed with descriptions of their problems do, IN FACT, have problems. Walk into a Wal-Mart. Buy a microwave. Does it come with a note that says it will be made to work as advertised in 2-4 months? If it does, do you buy it?

For the last time (I hope): no one had any reason to think they were buying a product that would EVENTUALLY work as advertised. Unfortunately, that is what was shipped, and those who have had this scope in hand have been reporting their issues and experiences.

Based on your comments and lessons, I wouldn't expect to see any of that from you. You have had the luxury to read how others have handled their issues, and you are a Patient Man, which means you won't need any of our help to resolve the problems that your (eventual) scope may have...in which case it seems like you're only here for dubious reasons.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:17 PM

1. Night Flickering.
2. Reticle wandering
3. Reticle going off the screen through zoom (My buddies reticle was off the screen in 1x zoom when zero'd)
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:20 PM

Isnt all this redundant? All it takes is a little reading on this topic and all the questions and answers are already here.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:20 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
1. Night Flickering.
2. Reticle wandering
3. Reticle going off the screen through zoom (My buddies reticle was off the screen in 1x zoom when zero'd)


So other than the night flickering (which seems to be across the board), that is it? Remember I said complete failures, not individual units that were defective. There is always going to be problems with a portion of any product made. I'm talking about 100% across the board failures, so we have one, that I already listed. The reticle going off the screen seems to be happening to only a few.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
1. Night Flickering.
2. Reticle wandering
3. Reticle going off the screen through zoom (My buddies reticle was off the screen in 1x zoom when zero'd)


So other than the night flickering (which seems to be across the board), that is it? Remember I said complete failures, not individual units that were defective. There is always going to be problems with a portion of any product made. I'm talking about 100% across the board failures, so we have one, that I already listed. The reticle going off the screen seems to be happening to only a few.


I've seen the reticle going off the screen when zoomed with every unit I've seen. Sachal and the CEO said that would be fixed soon though.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:28 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
1. Night Flickering.
2. Reticle wandering
3. Reticle going off the screen through zoom (My buddies reticle was off the screen in 1x zoom when zero'd)


So other than the night flickering (which seems to be across the board), that is it? Remember I said complete failures, not individual units that were defective. There is always going to be problems with a portion of any product made. I'm talking about 100% across the board failures, so we have one, that I already listed. The reticle going off the screen seems to be happening to only a few.


I've seen the reticle going off the screen when zoomed with every unit I've seen. Sachal and the CEO said that would be fixed soon though.


Mine doesn't do it, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that anyone who has sighted in their scope/hunted with it couldn't have done it if the reticle vanished. confused2 How many have you seen that did this?
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:30 PM

For the most part, on the ones I've seen, the reticle will be on the screen in the 1x zoom, but when you start zooming is when it takes off to no mans land.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:34 PM

We sighted in a buddies yesterday and the reticle was on the screen during "zero setup". After we sighted it in and saved the coordinates and backed out to the home screen the reticle was off the screen in 1x zoom. His also had issues of the screen freezing after shots (5.56 for reference)
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:42 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
NO ONE VOLUNTEERED FOR "EARLY ADOPTER" STATUS. GET THAT.


I did. With my money. You did too. That's my point.

Anyone who buys a new product within 1 year of it's reaching the public, is an early adopter. Period.

If you have paid money for the X-Sight so far, or if you plan to within the next 6 months, you ARE an Early Adopter. Period.

Stop blaming other people for the fact that you did not understand this when you bought it. If you're not happy, get a refund and go elsewhere. Otherwise accept it, let go of your anger, and move on.

My entire lesson in a nutshell. Case closed.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: MoShootr
cyberpyrot,

I wish I could upvote you on this board. Twice. clap

So that the whiners stop whining about the product being ready...


I don't think it's whining I think they are legitimate concerns. People bought a product advertised to work with a lot of cool features and that's not what they got.

As you said and some one already pointed out, you don't even have an X-sight so why are you talking on an "Owner's discussion" thread?


Thank you LastHurrah
up
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
His also had issues of the screen freezing after shots (5.56 for reference)


This has been reported by some people as being a result of the battery cover not being screwed tight enough onto the unit. Reports are that you need to tighten the battery cover to the point where you barely see the rubber O-ring at all.

Hope this helps! If it doesn't, let us know. smile
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:53 PM

The other issue with screen freezes or shutdowns is cheap batteries.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:53 PM

Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
His also had issues of the screen freezing after shots (5.56 for reference)


This has been reported by some people as being a result of the battery cover not being screwed tight enough onto the unit. Reports are that you need to tighten the battery cover to the point where you barely see the rubber O-ring at all.

Hope this helps! If it doesn't, let us know. smile


No your wrong, Freezeing of screen could be lower battery power. The battery cover being loose makes the scope power down after the shots.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: s6275
NO ONE VOLUNTEERED FOR "EARLY ADOPTER" STATUS. GET THAT.


I did. With my money. You did too. That's my point.

Anyone who buys a new product within 1 year of it's reaching the public, is an early adopter. Period.

If you have paid money for the X-Sight so far, or if you plan to within the next 6 months, you ARE an Early Adopter. Period.

Stop blaming other people for the fact that you did not understand this when you bought it. If you're not happy, get a refund and go elsewhere. Otherwise accept it, let go of your anger, and move on.

My entire lesson in a nutshell. Case closed.


I can't wait until you have your scope in your hands, get frustrated because of the money and time spent, and get frozen out here when you need help.

You don't have a scope, so no dog in the fight. When you do, you will already know what to do to solve your own problems. No reason for anymore posts, right? Sleep good, Patient Man!
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 03:56 PM


Originally Posted By: s6275
Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: s6275
NO ONE VOLUNTEERED FOR "EARLY ADOPTER" STATUS. GET THAT.


I did. With my money. You did too. That's my point.

Anyone who buys a new product within 1 year of it's reaching the public, is an early adopter. Period.

If you have paid money for the X-Sight so far, or if you plan to within the next 6 months, you ARE an Early Adopter. Period.

Stop blaming other people for the fact that you did not understand this when you bought it. If you're not happy, get a refund and go elsewhere. Otherwise accept it, let go of your anger, and move on.

My entire lesson in a nutshell. Case closed.


I can't wait until you have your scope in your hands, get frustrated because of the money and time spent, and get frozen out here when you need help.

You don't have a scope, so no dog in the fight. When you do, you will already know what to do to solve your own problems. No reason for anymore posts, right. Sleep good, Patient Man!


Thank you S6275, Some of us are not rich and $700.00 is alot of money. Looks like I have 5 days to return mine to get a refund back. Long as the package is post stamped by then I can get a refund. Cyberpyrot As far as your day videos of harvesting. I can take those same video's with my go pro mounted to my rifle using my 100.00 scope and they would even be much clearer videos which I have done plenty of times. If the cross hairs were on the video I would be impressed. As far as us "New Guys go" You were all new guys at one point in time keep that in mind. Last time I checked this is the United States and we have free speech
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
His also had issues of the screen freezing after shots (5.56 for reference)


This has been reported by some people as being a result of the battery cover not being screwed tight enough onto the unit. Reports are that you need to tighten the battery cover to the point where you barely see the rubber O-ring at all.

Hope this helps! If it doesn't, let us know. smile


Us? You've been on this forum for 4 days, you don't have an us or a scope.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr

Originally Posted By: s6275
Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: s6275
NO ONE VOLUNTEERED FOR "EARLY ADOPTER" STATUS. GET THAT.


I did. With my money. You did too. That's my point.

Anyone who buys a new product within 1 year of it's reaching the public, is an early adopter. Period.

If you have paid money for the X-Sight so far, or if you plan to within the next 6 months, you ARE an Early Adopter. Period.

Stop blaming other people for the fact that you did not understand this when you bought it. If you're not happy, get a refund and go elsewhere. Otherwise accept it, let go of your anger, and move on.

My entire lesson in a nutshell. Case closed.


I can't wait until you have your scope in your hands, get frustrated because of the money and time spent, and get frozen out here when you need help.

You don't have a scope, so no dog in the fight. When you do, you will already know what to do to solve your own problems. No reason for anymore posts, right. Sleep good, Patient Man!


Thank you S6275, Some of us are not rich and $700.00 is alot of money. Looks like I have 5 days to return mine to get a refund back. Long as the package is post stamped by then I can get a refund. Cyberpyrot As far as your day videos of harvesting. I can take those same video's with my go pro mounted to my rifle using my 100.00 scope and they would even be much clearer videos which I have done plenty of times. If the cross hairs were on the video I would be impressed. As far as us "New Guys go" You were all new guys at one point in time keep that in mind. Last time I checked this is the United States and we have free speech


The reticle is going to be on the video with the next update. I didn't realize gopros have digital zoom, geo tagging, altitude, and a compass. Guess we all wasted our money and should have bought a gopro. I know you mentioned day videos only but the scope does have night vision, so I don't see how you are comparing a gopro with this scope.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
His also had issues of the screen freezing after shots (5.56 for reference)


This has been reported by some people as being a result of the battery cover not being screwed tight enough onto the unit. Reports are that you need to tighten the battery cover to the point where you barely see the rubber O-ring at all.

Hope this helps! If it doesn't, let us know. smile


No your wrong, Freezeing of screen could be lower battery power. The battery cover being loose makes the scope power down after the shots.


Things seemed to be moving in a productive direction until certain voices appeared. Here's my vote for moving back in that direction.

I suspect with SHOT happening this week that it could potentially be another COUPLE of weeks before anything new (where the X-Sight is concerned) comes out of ATN. The guy handling my RMA didn't seem to give a second thought to blaming the holidays and SHOT prep for delays in responding...but I was told I would have my 3x back the first week of February. We'll see, I guess.

My concern at this point is that people are starting to push/ stretch the return deadlines of some distributors on the promise that EVERYTHING will be fixed in software. After those deadlines expire, whose financial burden does the scope become? ATN? This could get even more interesting.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:03 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
The other issue with screen freezes or shutdowns is cheap batteries.


Thanks DFW! I tightened the battery cap down real tight from what others had said and we didn't have any other issues. Lithium batteries is what we were using. Brand new.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
His also had issues of the screen freezing after shots (5.56 for reference)


This has been reported by some people as being a result of the battery cover not being screwed tight enough onto the unit. Reports are that you need to tighten the battery cover to the point where you barely see the rubber O-ring at all.

Hope this helps! If it doesn't, let us know. smile


Us? You've been on this forum for 4 days, you don't have an us or a scope.


roflmao
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:12 PM

I'm still wanting to hear more of what was promised but not delivered with the scope. It seems there was a lot of misinformation, operator error and speculation but not a lot of things that actually were promised but not delivered. Heck, people thought that the unit came with a range finder but nowhere was this advertised.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
His also had issues of the screen freezing after shots (5.56 for reference)


This has been reported by some people as being a result of the battery cover not being screwed tight enough onto the unit. Reports are that you need to tighten the battery cover to the point where you barely see the rubber O-ring at all.

Hope this helps! If it doesn't, let us know. smile


No your wrong, Freezeing of screen could be lower battery power. The battery cover being loose makes the scope power down after the shots.


Things seemed to be moving in a productive direction until certain voices appeared. Here's my vote for moving back in that direction.

I suspect with SHOT happening this week that it could potentially be another COUPLE of weeks before anything new (where the X-Sight is concerned) comes out of ATN. The guy handling my RMA didn't seem to give a second thought to blaming the holidays and SHOT prep for delays in responding...but I was told I would have my 3x back the first week of February. We'll see, I guess.

My concern at this point is that people are starting to push/ stretch the return deadlines of some distributors on the promise that EVERYTHING will be fixed in software. After those deadlines expire, whose financial burden does the scope become? ATN? This could get even more interesting.


Customer service at ATN from Sachal and Jason has been great when handling my RMA. They told me they just got a shipment of X-sights and are processing return units this week for returns for the first part of January and earlier.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:21 PM

Rexmitchell, Digital Zoom via software from go pro, I do it all the time. Clear as a bell, My scope has no altitude, compass that works. In fact it barley has nigh vision with all the flashing. I know its all coming via firmware updates. Will see after there new product comes out if they even pay us attention. I thought I had 5 days to return my scope, just looked at my invoice, Looks like I missed that last week so I am stuck with it.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:23 PM

-image stabilization
-12 hour battery life
-reticle on video (menu option to enable this is currently nonfunctional)
-mount aligned to rifle bore
-wifi firmware updates
-BDC

If memory serves, there was (now obviously premature) discussion about the app being able to feed the scope with atmospheric and ballistic data. I hope that helps.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Rexmitchell, Digital Zoom via software from go pro, I do it all the time. Clear as a bell, My scope has no altitude, compass that works. In fact it barley has nigh vision with all the flashing. I know its all coming via firmware updates. Will see after there new product comes out if they even pay us attention. I thought I had 5 days to return my scope, just looked at my invoice, Looks like I missed that last week so I am stuck with it.



Eric please be a little more patient. right now you can call ATN if you want a refund they will not turn you away. you are not stuck with anything. if it is your goal to get the thread locked I can request it from the moderator like all others and the ATN reps will have no place to give us updates.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:26 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Customer service at ATN from Sachal and Jason has been great when handling my RMA. They told me they just got a shipment of X-sights and are processing return units this week for returns for the first part of January and earlier.


First part of February? Or did you mean returns FROM the first part of of January?
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
-image stabilization
-12 hour battery life
-reticle on video (menu option to enable this is currently nonfunctional)
-mount aligned to rifle bore
-wifi firmware updates
-BDC

If memory serves, there was (now obviously premature) discussion about the app being able to feed the scope with atmospheric and ballistic data. I hope that helps.


Isn't the image stabilization built in and functioning? When was the reticle promised on the video? I thought the alignment issues were only on a few scopes, mine lines up fine. Discussion on the app feeding the scope ballistics info is hardly a promise from the company. Was BDC promised? The wifi updates is definitely something that would be nice to have and I did see that on the website.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Customer service at ATN from Sachal and Jason has been great when handling my RMA. They told me they just got a shipment of X-sights and are processing return units this week for returns for the first part of January and earlier.


First part of February? Or did you mean returns FROM the first part of of January?


If you got an RMA # the first part of January and earlier, you should be in this batch of returns but I would call to confirm.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:37 PM

My goal is not to lock the thread, What is aggravating is folks chime in that do not even own one and make like they know what is going on. After this post I will just keep quiet. I said my piece, not looking for a fight. Its just been a very disappointing experience for my first night vision. I do want to Thank you all for your input and I will keep watching from the side lines.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Originally Posted By: s6275
-image stabilization
-12 hour battery life
-reticle on video (menu option to enable this is currently nonfunctional)
-mount aligned to rifle bore
-wifi firmware updates
-BDC

If memory serves, there was (now obviously premature) discussion about the app being able to feed the scope with atmospheric and ballistic data. I hope that helps.


Isn't the image stabilization built in and functioning? When was the reticle promised on the video? I thought the alignment issues were only on a few scopes, mine lines up fine. Discussion on the app feeding the scope ballistics info is hardly a promise from the company. Was BDC promised? The wifi updates is definitely something that would be nice to have and I did see that on the website.


I would consider the nonfunctional-option-to-enable the reticle on video to be a big red capital promise. I do not believe stabilization is functioning at this point.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:41 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: s6275
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Customer service at ATN from Sachal and Jason has been great when handling my RMA. They told me they just got a shipment of X-sights and are processing return units this week for returns for the first part of January and earlier.


First part of February? Or did you mean returns FROM the first part of of January?


If you got an RMA # the first part of January and earlier, you should be in this batch of returns but I would call to confirm.


Cool. I ought to be in that batch. Did you have a 3x?
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:42 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Originally Posted By: s6275
-image stabilization
-12 hour battery life
-reticle on video (menu option to enable this is currently nonfunctional)
-mount aligned to rifle bore
-wifi firmware updates
-BDC

If memory serves, there was (now obviously premature) discussion about the app being able to feed the scope with atmospheric and ballistic data. I hope that helps.


Isn't the image stabilization built in and functioning? When was the reticle promised on the video? I thought the alignment issues were only on a few scopes, mine lines up fine. Discussion on the app feeding the scope ballistics info is hardly a promise from the company. Was BDC promised? The wifi updates is definitely something that would be nice to have and I did see that on the website.


I would consider the nonfunctional-option-to-enable the reticle on video to be a big red capital promise. I do not believe stabilization is functioning at this point.


I guess my thought was that may have been a feature that was still being developed and they added in the option prior to being able to follow through with it. In my opinion, that is completely different than them advertising that you have this option before you bought it. It seems that people figured that out after they purchased it, and it wasn't a promise that didn't happen. Irritating yes, but it seems like a bonus feature that isn't working more so than something that was advertised and wasn't there. With that being said, the new firmware is supposed to fix that so it should be a non issue shortly. I know I'm working with some technicalities but there has been a bunch of info on this thread that is untrue, and that is what I'm trying to work through. People saying (not specifically you) that alot of stuff was promised and not delivered is only semi-accurate it seems at this point, with a few exceptions.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 04:47 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: s6275
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Customer service at ATN from Sachal and Jason has been great when handling my RMA. They told me they just got a shipment of X-sights and are processing return units this week for returns for the first part of January and earlier.


First part of February? Or did you mean returns FROM the first part of of January?


If you got an RMA # the first part of January and earlier, you should be in this batch of returns but I would call to confirm.


Cool. I ought to be in that batch. Did you have a 3x?


5x.... Mine was one of the ones with the mount crooked.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/19/15 04:57 PM

Had a conversation with the UK distributor today, they have been told that the ATN Directors are having a meeting today in Vegas to discuss the X-Sight (amongst other things no doubt!).
The directors are not happy with the X-Sight situation, and this will be high on the agenda at the meeting. They have promised the UK Distributor an update following the meeting.
Appreciate that this is third hand information, but as and when I hear more, I will post here.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
5x.... Mine was one of the ones with the mount crooked.


Ahh...that explains why (when I called) "within 30 days" two weeks ago has become "30-60 days as of right now."

I had the scope in my hands for 3 days. They received it from me 1/2/15. At this rate, I won't have it until 2/19 or 3/19. The return deadline to my distributor has LONG expired. Anybody out there still wondering why people get frustrated with these guys?
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 05:26 PM

Since some people arent able to use the search function or read the entire thread, I will spell it out for you.
To correct the reticle from moving so far off the screen its only a matter of shimming to get the scope inline with the bore then finish zeroing from there. Basic zeroing, how hard is it to get it in your heads. Yes some of the scopes came (mine as well) with the base crooked and not exactly inline but take your time and read from page one.
The other issues are a pain but they dont make the scope unusable , crosshairs in a video isnt really a nessesity its a cool add on.
We paid anywhere from 600-750 for the 5x and for the money that was spent I challenge any of you to go buy one in that price range and get what this one has out of the box.
I run mine out to 600 yds and never even get close to using the full zoom capabilities that this scope has , If you need that much zoom then I highly suggest you learn how to shoot before even trying to use this scope.
Yes we are aggravated but it will come around. If you dont like it then send it back if you want to hang then suck it up, if you dont own one then why are you even here?
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 05:28 PM

I own one. I don't have it. It's collecting dust on a table somewhere at ATN for the next 4-8 weeks, apparently. Read much?
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 05:29 PM

One thing I didnt see and am curious about.
If for some reason we want to go back in firmware is it possible?
Lets say I wanted to go back to 174 from 200 can we do that or are we only able to go forward with the firmware?
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 05:37 PM

Apology accepted. smirk
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Apology accepted. smirk


And to who is this direced? If its me then no apology given. Yes you may have one but then again if the shoe fits then wear it. FIN
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
One thing I didnt see and am curious about.
If for some reason we want to go back in firmware is it possible?
Lets say I wanted to go back to 174 from 200 can we do that or are we only able to go forward with the firmware?


I suppose the only way to know would be to have the older firmware file stored somewhere and try going through the update process with the older file.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Since some people arent able to use the search function or read the entire thread, I will spell it out for you.
To correct the reticle from moving so far off the screen its only a matter of shimming to get the scope inline with the bore then finish zeroing from there.


To be fair, some shipped with mounts that were so crooked, it was practically impossible to correct without a replacement. I was one of those, but was fortunate enough to get a replacement within 3 days. I know most are only slightly out if at all, but mine and a few others were horrendously bad.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
One thing I didnt see and am curious about.
If for some reason we want to go back in firmware is it possible?
Lets say I wanted to go back to 174 from 200 can we do that or are we only able to go forward with the firmware?


thats a good point we should keep all versions just in case.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
One thing I didnt see and am curious about.
If for some reason we want to go back in firmware is it possible?
Lets say I wanted to go back to 174 from 200 can we do that or are we only able to go forward with the firmware?


thats a good point we should keep all versions just in case.


That what Im doing, keeping all of them. There may be a time when I dont like what comes out in an update. Or a new one can be unstable and we may need to go back.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Since some people arent able to use the search function or read the entire thread, I will spell it out for you.
To correct the reticle from moving so far off the screen its only a matter of shimming to get the scope inline with the bore then finish zeroing from there. Basic zeroing, how hard is it to get it in your heads. Yes some of the scopes came (mine as well) with the base crooked and not exactly inline but take your time and read from page one.


Not sure who you are directing this at specifically, but I've never had to shim a scope in my life. After a long discussion with several people from ATN, they said you should not have to shim your scope at all. They said they highly discourage anyone from doing this.

Just wanted to let you know what ATN said about "shimming".
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:06 PM

True or not, ATN has stated you cannot go back in firmware.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
True or not, ATN has stated you cannot go back in firmware.


So much for backward compatability. It would be nice to be able to do it. I guess theres a checksum in the software to prevent it.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
True or not, ATN has stated you cannot go back in firmware.


So much for backward compatability. It would be nice to be able to do it. I guess theres a checksum in the software to prevent it.


Backwards compatibility would be great.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:16 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Since some people arent able to use the search function or read the entire thread, I will spell it out for you.
To correct the reticle from moving so far off the screen its only a matter of shimming to get the scope inline with the bore then finish zeroing from there. Basic zeroing, how hard is it to get it in your heads. Yes some of the scopes came (mine as well) with the base crooked and not exactly inline but take your time and read from page one.


Not sure who you are directing this at specifically, but I've never had to shim a scope in my life. After a long discussion with several people from ATN, they said you should not have to shim your scope at all. They said they highly discourage anyone from doing this.

Just wanted to let you know what ATN said about "shimming".


Good to hear but after lenthy conversations here as well I got a totally different responce. In fact they encouraged it if the mount wasnt so far off that it couldnt be done and there isnt a warrenty issue by doing it.
I guess its who you talk to and the mood they are in.
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Backwards compatibility would be great.


I agree. A rollback option should be part of their upgrade process, in case of a botched install, buggy firmware release, or other unintended consequences. Software does screw up, after all.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Since some people arent able to use the search function or read the entire thread, I will spell it out for you.
To correct the reticle from moving so far off the screen its only a matter of shimming to get the scope inline with the bore then finish zeroing from there. Basic zeroing, how hard is it to get it in your heads. Yes some of the scopes came (mine as well) with the base crooked and not exactly inline but take your time and read from page one.


Not sure who you are directing this at specifically, but I've never had to shim a scope in my life. After a long discussion with several people from ATN, they said you should not have to shim your scope at all. They said they highly discourage anyone from doing this.

Just wanted to let you know what ATN said about "shimming".


Good to hear but after lenthy conversations here as well I got a totally different responce. In fact they encouraged it if the mount wasnt so far off that it couldnt be done and there isnt a warrenty issue by doing it.
I guess its who you talk to and the mood they are in.


That doesn't surprise me. I asked them about the shims from your response 10 pages back or so because I thought that was a good idea but they were insistent that I send it back for an exchange. If it happens again I will try your shims fo sho.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Backwards compatibility would be great.


I agree. A rollback option should be part of their upgrade process, in case of a botched install, buggy firmware release, or other unintended consequences. Software does screw up, after all.


Agreed. I'm keeping all my firmware just in case.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:33 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Originally Posted By: MoShootr
Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Backwards compatibility would be great.


I agree. A rollback option should be part of their upgrade process, in case of a botched install, buggy firmware release, or other unintended consequences. Software does screw up, after all.


Agreed. I'm keeping all my firmware just in case.


LastHurrah I dont think they will send you another misaligned one but who knows. let us know when you get it back so we can walk through it.
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:36 PM

Remember, just because they said it doesn't make it so. That could change. Just wanted to share what I know had been stated.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
Remember, just because they said ut doesn't make it so. That could change. Just wanted to share what I know had been stated.


I don t doubt you one bit.
It would just be nice to be able to just in case. As I initially said maybe a corrupt firmware update comes along and IF we had the ability to go back to a previous version it would save alot of time because at that point we would all be sending the scopes back to ATN and now we are back to the waiting game again.
I would think there would be a failsafe in place, just for a incident like this.
Actually Im good with what I got for the price, so what, I had to do a little "adjusting" but then again Im the curious type.
Posted By: mikeee2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 06:57 PM

Sachal's answer to this question was not definitive:
<Quote>
All,
Firmware logs will soon be posted. As to being able to revert back to the old firmware, that won't be possible, unless someone here keeps a record of it. There is honestly no reason why you'd want to install the older firmware.
<Unquote>
"unless someone here keeps a record of it" might mean that they just don't keep archives or maybe Sachal doesn't know about an archive.
Being able to backup to an earlier version would be indeed be good. I don't think ATN knows much about software development. Hang on to those old versions we may yet have a use for them although progress has seemingly been in a forward direction so far.
Someone might ask for an answer from their programmers regarding reverting to older versions. Pardon my low tech posting. I've never posted on any forum before. Maybe some day I'll fancy things up with gee-gaws and such stuff.
MM
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 07:27 PM

Originally Posted By: mikeee2
Being able to backup to an earlier version would be indeed be good. I don't think ATN knows much about software development.
MM


I see no reason for you to apologize, you clearly have foresight to see the wisdom in keeping your options open, regarding software.

I agree with you that from what I've seen so far, ATN does not have much software development experience. This is the big reason why the product rollout was so botched. It seems clear that they completely underestimated how much time and effort would be involved in the firmware development of this thing.

I also think that Sachal's mentioning that there's no reason to install the older firmware speaks to a lack of experience in how software rollout works. You must ALWAYS keep backups, and the backups of the backups, and always be able to undo something you've done. One-way thinking in software is never a good idea.

This is why in some of my previous posts (and in other forums) I've tried to give ATN some tips in this arena. I work with firmware embedded devices every day in my profession (modems, routers, wimax radios), and I can't count the number of times I've seen a new 'update' cause major service disruptions. Or major security vulnerabilities that can only be fixed with firmware rewrites, just as one example.

I do hope ATN is listening, and I don't want to be too harsh on Sachal. He's not a programmer, he's a community contact. I sincerely do hope that their software devs are forward-thinking and are planning ahead with how to support software. If not, I'm quite sure they're gonna get a crash course sooner or later. LOL.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 07:52 PM

Quote:
Staff Scott-Country 6 hours ago
Hello all.
We have been unable to post on the ATN Forum as their settings do not allow PAGES to post.
We have created a Staff Scott-Country Facebook profile to enable us to post on the forum, however we must stress that any messages be sent via www.facebook.com/scottcountry or emailed to info@scottcountry.co.uk
As ATN UK distributors we have been constantly in contact with ATN International to ensure the firmware update to resolve the issues the UK customers have been experiencing is implemented as quickly as possible.
As a direct result of our constant efforts to resolve these issues, we requested ATN/Marc Vayn (ATN CEO) to supply us with a letter informing users what is happening with X Sight bug fixes, and confirming that the issues WILL be resolved and that it is not a HARDWARE issue and will be resolved in a firmware update which the factory has already been completed but is being tested and any bugs cleaned up.
We have emailed ATN again today, with a firm request that any future updates have information below showing what the update does i.e a bug fix or new functionality AND a firm date on when the new firmware will be available for download.
I spoke personally with a director of ATN International on Friday and we are assured that the developers are working tirelessly on this firmware update.
I appreciate some people have concerns that ATN Corp have not replied to their questions, I cannot comment on that, however should any UK customers have issues they wish to discuss we will be more than happy to speak with you directly, and pass on any information to ATN International you wish us to.
You can contact our team directly (4 lines) on 01556 50 3587 or email us at info@scottcountry.co.uk
With time constraints of a very busy business we cannot monitor this page regularly, but will post if/when we can, but will assure anyone who emails or calls that you will have our fullest attention.
We will be at the British Shooting Show (ATN will also have a separate non retail stand at the show) so should you wish to pop along as see us we would be pleased to see you, but will be doing everything we can to ensure the new firmware is in place long before the show takes place.
Yours Faithfully
Scott Country Sales Team
P.S David, i have spoken with you on the phone today, and replied to your last email of 5th Jan (which had already been replied to) once again. Please check you have had our reply, and if not please contact me again.
ATN International have supplied us with this letter from the CEO of ATN Night Vision Marc Vayn with reference to new ATN X Sight Day/Night riflescopes.
"We at ATN appreciate all the early adopters of our new XSight. The XSight is really like nothing we have ever developed! The sophistication of the Obsidian Core has offered us a world of possibilities never before witnessed in our industry.
It has also posed a series of challenges that we are working quickly to overcome.
One of these has been Reticle shifting out of view at high levels of zoom. First let me assure you this is NOT a hardware issue and will be resolved within the shortest time possible in the form of an updated firmware.
Part of the issue has arisen due to the fact that our engineers removed the original limitation of 4X digital (example 5-18). Instead the 5-18 is now 5-50. Our engineers felt that even at 50X - the resolution of the image was still good enough to provide additional detection. Unfortunately in the first release of our Reticle Zeroing we shifted the reticle by moving it on the screen reticle and thereby it would always be of center. This problem was then exacerbated by high zoom - in essence shifting the reticle up 10X the original Zeroing In. On weapons with more then just a minor shift from dead center this created a problem of having the reticle fly of the screen when zooming in.
Currently our engineers are working an a major update that will no longer shift the reticle but the entire screen behind the reticle - when finished no amount of zoom will move your reticle of center. The algorithms for this work have already been complete and only the testing and bug clean up remains. As an added bonus we will also be including a number of our early Smart Shooting Solutions into this version (Hint: think intelligent bullet drop compensation and much much more. )
Again, I would like to apologize from me and our development team for shipping the XSight with these types of issues.
We hope that our fixes and new features that are to be released throughout the year will make up for some initial difficulties."
Sincerely
Marc Vayn
CEO
ATN Corp



So more then likely there will be an update prior to shot show. I know they dont want to show off the device and have those questions arise at the show.
Posted By: Oldsnipr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:00 PM

My biggest issue is that ATN knowingly sold me a scope that they knew did not perform to their own published specs. To me that is a very dishonest and deceptive way to do business. No one likes to feel like they were tricked or deceived once the buy something. They should have stated that the scope was still in development and that any who bought it would be considered "early adopters". Even today their website leads you to believe all features are working 100% which we know is not true. If you look at the number of posters that have issues with their X-Sight compared to the number that don't it's easy to see that the ones with issues is a much larger number. The few that constantly defend ATN's practices are few and far between (some don't even own an X-Sight). So specifically my scope does not work properly on these features: (straight from the web site and also on the box)

GPS - not working
Geo Tagging - not working
Altitude - not working
Velocity - not working
E Compass - sort of works after installing 1.8...200 firmware
Image stabilization/gyroscope - hard to tell with the constant night flicker
Zoom - unusable,see below

Other issues:
To zero I had to move the reticle nearly off the screen (at 1x)
If I use the zoom at all the reticle moves off the screen
Constant flicker in night mode
Battery life is extremely short, around 30 mins for me even with Lithium batteries

It was nice that the CEO published a letter saying ATN would provide firmware that will (eventually) fix all the issues. How ever he did not address why they sold X-Sights with known issues without letting customers know. He also did not provide a timeline as to when the fixes will be available. His assumption that we all signed on to be "early adopters" is incorrect. Most if not all of us thought we were buying a scope that worked "as advertised".

If I am unhappy why don't I just return my X-sight? The retailer I purchased from (Optics Planet) said I have 30 days from receipt in which to return my scope. I received it on 12/29/14 so I have until Jan 29th. If ATN has not addressed my issues to my satisfaction by then I will return it. There are several post from those who have returned their X-Sight to ATN for repair and have not heard anything since they sent the scope back. I have no faith that if I sent mine to ATN that I would receive a working scope back in reasonable time frame. I am only willing to have my hard earned money tied up in a product that I can't use for a short time. If ATN can't make it right in that time frame then I will simply not be a customer.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Oldsnpr
My biggest issue is that ATN knowingly sold me a scope that they knew did not perform to their own published specs. To me that is a very dishonest and deceptive way to do business. No one likes to feel like they were tricked or deceived once the buy something. They should have stated that the scope was still in development and that any who bought it would be considered "early adopters". Even today their website leads you to believe all features are working 100% which we know is not true. If you look at the number of posters that have issues with their X-Sight compared to the number that don't it's easy to see that the ones with issues is a much larger number. The few that constantly defend ATN's practices are few and far between (some don't even own an X-Sight). So specifically my scope does not work properly on these features: (straight from the web site and also on the box)

GPS - not working
Geo Tagging - not working
Altitude - not working
Velocity - not working
E Compass - sort of works after installing 1.8...200 firmware
Image stabilization/gyroscope - hard to tell with the constant night flicker
Zoom - unusable,see below

Other issues:
To zero I had to move the reticle nearly off the screen (at 1x)
If I use the zoom at all the reticle moves off the screen
Constant flicker in night mode
Battery life is extremely short, around 30 mins for me even with Lithium batteries

It was nice that the CEO published a letter saying ATN would provide firmware that will (eventually) fix all the issues. How ever he did not address why they sold X-Sights with known issues without letting customers know. He also did not provide a timeline as to when the fixes will be available. His assumption that we all signed on to be "early adopters" is incorrect. Most if not all of us thought we were buying a scope that worked "as advertised".

If I am unhappy why don't I just return my X-sight? The retailer I purchased from (Optics Planet) said I have 30 days from receipt in which to return my scope. I received it on 12/29/14 so I have until Jan 29th. If ATN has not addressed my issues to my satisfaction by then I will return it. There are several post from those who have returned their X-Sight to ATN for repair and have not heard anything since they sent the scope back. I have no faith that if I sent mine to ATN that I would receive a working scope back in reasonable time frame. I am only willing to have my hard earned money tied up in a product that I can't use for a short time. If ATN can't make it right in that time frame then I will simply not be a customer.



ok now that you have that off your chest lets move forward.. No one is defending them. I have issues with my scope as well altho I was able to hunt successfully with it. I know crying about it every 3rd post will not fix those issues. I decided to shut the hell up and wait for the firmware that is supposed to come soon this thread getting as bad the facebook page.
Posted By: Oldsnipr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:23 PM

I am waiting too but there is a limit to how long I am prepared to wait. Is it too much to ask for ATN to give us at least some target dates for new firmware release? Just saying "soon" or "we're working on it" tells me nothing about when I will get it. I also hope they will actually document any new firmware as to what it is supposed to fix and/or add to the scope, I have not seen any documentation on the releases so far so it's hard to know what should be working or not.
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:24 PM

CAREFUL - Firmware rollback:

I agree that rollback should be an option.

With that said I believe ATN is developing a whole new base software program (2.0) therefore if you attempt to rollback to a 1.8 (or pre-existing base software) the results could be highly detrimental.

So once the next few firmwares roll out, watch the pre-cursor numbers to see if they change and my advice is to only attempt rollback if A) you're willing to brick your scope and B) you are rolling back to a previous version on the same base software platform.

Hope you guys can squash the non-topic related back and forth because it reminds me of 3 previous threads
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:30 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
CAREFUL - Firmware rollback:

I agree that rollback should be an option.

With that said I believe ATN is developing a whole new base software program (2.0) therefore if you attempt to rollback to a 1.8 (or pre-existing base software) the results could be highly detrimental.

So once the next few firmwares roll out, watch the pre-cursor numbers to see if they change and my advice is to only attempt rollback if A) you're willing to brick your scope and B) you are rolling back to a previous version on the same base software platform.

Hope you guys can squash the non-topic related back and forth because it reminds me of 3 previous threads





Good advise. I was wondering about the upcoming 2. firmware being compatable but kept quite until you mentioned it. Very good point.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Oldsnpr

To zero I had to move the reticle nearly off the screen (at 1x)
If I use the zoom at all the reticle moves off the screen


If it's that bad, your mount can't be straight. Might be worth checking...
Posted By: Oldsnipr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:38 PM

My mount is straight as best I can tell. I just have basic measuring tools but it seems to be straight.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Oldsnpr
My mount is straight as best I can tell. I just have basic measuring tools but it seems to be straight.


The mounts that were off didn't need tools to see that it was way off.
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:45 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
[color:#FF0000]Hope you guys can squash the non-topic related back and forth because it reminds me of 3 previous threads


Yes... up
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
[quote=HuntTXhogs]CAREFUL - Firmware rollback:

I agree that rollback should be an option.

With that said I believe ATN is developing a whole new base software program (2.0) therefore if you attempt to rollback to a 1.8 (or pre-existing base software) the results could be highly detrimental.


Yep, I wondered about that myself. Firmware change either way can brick a device. The only difference is that updates are less likely to brick it than rollback, simply because they have to test the latest build to ensure it works. If it's going to brick, it'll brick one of the Mfg's devices, and they won't release.

Rollbacks can be unpredictable as well. That's part of the deployment strategy. Key to all of this that the Mfg needs to be hyper-vigilant for the first 24-48 hrs after releasing a new firmware version. That's the most likely time for major problems, device bricks, bugs, etc will be found.

Some software companies have their software devs on the clock literally 24-48 hrs straight, after a major firmware release, to ensure if a major problem happens, they can identify it and yank the update down quickly, then post either a rollback or a fixed update very soon. How a company handles a botched update can make or break a product. Any response taking longer than 48 hrs tends to generate a tidal wave of negative press. This thread alone shows how fast it can happen.

I'm saying all this for the customer's benefit, because this is stuff ATN needs to think about.

Customer tip: It's not a bad idea to sometimes wait 2-3 days after a firmware update release, just to see if it's stable. smile

EDIT: removed references to "scope", and changed it to "devices", since this is pretty universal. I've never heard of X-sights getting bricked, and I sincerely hope I never do. smile
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Originally Posted By: Oldsnpr
My mount is straight as best I can tell. I just have basic measuring tools but it seems to be straight.


The mounts that were off didn't need tools to see that it was way off.



Actually that is only half true. There are many out there that are off just a hair and cant be seen by the naked eye. I have seen 3 that were of by .10 up to .024. Down range that is a big difference. Mine for exaple was off x=.022 y=.003
If you have a bore sighter (laser) mount the scope and you will see how far off they are from center bore. If you know how to correct it then do it, if not I would say send it back.
Posted By: CharlieCTx

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 08:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Oldsnpr
They should have stated that the scope was still in development and that any who bought it would be considered "early adopters".


For $600, even at the current firmware level, this scope is still an exceptional purchase and fully capable. Unless you have one of the f'ed up mounts. smile

I'd rather have what I have vs waiting for the altitude and fish finder functions to be enabled.

Charlie
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 09:07 PM

Originally Posted By: CharlieCTx
Originally Posted By: Oldsnpr
They should have stated that the scope was still in development and that any who bought it would be considered "early adopters".


For $600, even at the current firmware level, this scope is still an exceptional purchase and fully capable. Unless you have one of the f'ed up mounts. smile

I'd rather have what I have vs waiting for the altitude and fish finder functions to be enabled.

Charlie



clap cheers clap

My point exactly.
Posted By: WhoDat

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 09:08 PM

Still waiting on a 3x and 5x that I paid for this Summer. regarding all the bells and whistles, I can do without GPS, Image Stabilization (that scares me), a compass, etc. Actually, I hope I can turn those features off, as I'd rather have the Obsidian OS and small CPU focusing on things that matter to me like smooth video and an accurate reticle.

The zooming issues scare the heck out of me. I hope those get fixed soon. The other stuff I can live without. I paid about $520ea, so I can be a bit patient.

Now, I wonder if I'll ever get my units?
Posted By: mikeee2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/19/15 10:46 PM


All,
My appology was for my lack of skills in posting.

Regarding the keeping of archival copies of the firmware, I'll bet they do. No real developers don't. I wasn't knocking Sachal at all. He's a good guy. As for ATN's development accumen, this was a far more complex project than their other undertakings. I reckon their past successes made them over confident.

Regarding the danger of reverting to older versions, there are several methods of accomplishing firmware updates.
You can do an "on the fly edit" of the in place firmware (Very difficult), you can do a complete replacement of the complete firmware (easy) or you can, if so designed, replace modules in the firmware rather than replacing the whole thing (difficult).
In smaller firmware situations as we have here, it is more common to replace the whole thing. This makes QA testing easier.
If there are no other programmable elements in the device which are altered by the update process, the rollback shouldn't present any danger (MAYBE!!)

Someone who is curious enough about the rollback possibilities and has a relationship with Sachal could get him to pose the question to ATN's development staff and get them to test it for us (yes I have a 5-18x so I can say "US").

Anywho, having said that, the rollback is a minor thing. I want the fish finder! Or even better the BDC (difficult??!! Wanna see it done! I'll give them many many points for clever if the "C" in "BDC" stands for compensator. Heck I'll even take calculator.)

MoShootr,
You have probably run across the old IT saying: "The first 90% of the project takes the first 90% of the time. The last 10% takes the other 90%." This is quite likely what has taken place here. Do you program firmware embedded devices? If so, I might just PM you (Later when some/all issues are resolved) some observations I have made regarding this device. Ever done any hacking of embedded devices?

Well, I better shut up and go away. It might be deemed unseemly for a Greenhorn to wax so loquacious. Just my two cents.
Later.....
MM
Posted By: CharlieCTx

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/20/15 01:04 AM

Originally Posted By: mikeee2

It might be deemed unseemly for a Greenhorn to wax so loquacious. Just my two cents.


Man, lot of words, more like 78 cents... smile

Going backwards on firmware is rarely done for the obvious reasons. If they release a version of bad code, it's far easier and more common to release another "new" release fixing/removing the bad code. Just ask Apple.

I'd find something else to worry about.

Charlie
Posted By: mikeee2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/20/15 02:48 AM

CharlieCTx,
Don't know what's been going on in IT since November 2013 when I retired after 30+ years in IT but prior to that we quite often went back to a previous version just to get up and running while the developers figured out what they did wrong and got it fixed. The world doesn't stop for programming errors or didn't used to.
I wasn't worried, just addressing someone's (several someones') expressed concerns
regarding backing out of a bad upgrade.
OOPS, If your count was right, I'm up to about a buck and a quarter now. hammer
Will be more careful in the future.
Have a good evening,
MM
Posted By: CharlieCTx

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/20/15 05:45 AM

Originally Posted By: mikeee2
Don't know what's been going on in IT since November 2013 when I retired after 30+ years...


You ought to come back to the party, we don't make programming mistakes or use punch cards anymore...

Charlie
Posted By: MGP

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/20/15 12:17 PM

Hello all
I want to add the flicker in my scope was there when I bought it then after the .200 update and putting a UNV 20-IR on it was gone well I don't know why but last night it came back im going to change batteries in the scope and IR and see if that takes café of it. Also I cant zoom past 2.5x when the reticle goes off the screen mine goes down and to the right but for now it is working and I am able to make shots at night and video I just hope all this gets straightened out soon. It is a nice scope for the money but will be a whole lot nicer when everything is fixed.
Mike
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/20/15 02:10 PM

Quote:


Staff Scott-Country An hour ago

UPDATE ON ATN FIRMWARE STATUS
As always we pass on consumer comments to ATN Corp, and as of yesterday we wrote a firm letter requesting that the firmware update which was promised to our customers by the CEO in his recent open letter, is confirmed to us in terms of a release date.
We had a reply from ATN advising that our contact is meeting with Marc Vayn today and we will have an update later today.
We have every faith in ATN Corp that they will deliver their promises, and X Sight owners will be very happy with their purchase.
I quote Marc Vayn CEO again "Currently our engineers are working an a major update that will no longer shift the reticle but the entire screen behind the reticle - when finished no amount of zoom will move your reticle of center. The algorithms for this work have already been complete and only the testing and bug clean up remains."
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/20/15 02:44 PM

Originally Posted By: MGP
Hello all
I want to add the flicker in my scope was there when I bought it then after the .200 update and putting a UNV 20-IR on it was gone well I don't know why but last night it came back im going to change batteries in the scope and IR and see if that takes café of it. Also I cant zoom past 2.5x when the reticle goes off the screen mine goes down and to the right but for now it is working and I am able to make shots at night and video I just hope all this gets straightened out soon. It is a nice scope for the money but will be a whole lot nicer when everything is fixed.
Mike


Welcome to TexasHuntingForum MGP

Hopefully the X-sight gets sorted and you can get some footage and share with us what your AR caliber (358 MGP) can to to hogs.



Posted By: MGP

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/20/15 03:10 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
Originally Posted By: MGP
Hello all
I want to add the flicker in my scope was there when I bought it then after the .200 update and putting a UNV 20-IR on it was gone well I don't know why but last night it came back im going to change batteries in the scope and IR and see if that takes café of it. Also I cant zoom past 2.5x when the reticle goes off the screen mine goes down and to the right but for now it is working and I am able to make shots at night and video I just hope all this gets straightened out soon. It is a nice scope for the money but will be a whole lot nicer when everything is fixed.
Mike


Welcome to TexasHuntingForum MGP

Hopefully the X-sight gets sorted and you can get some footage and share with us what your AR caliber (358 MGP) can to to hogs.





Thanks When everything gets fixed I will buy another one for my 358MGP when I get down to visit my cousin in Texas to do some hog hunting.
Coondog on 68 forums has shot a few hogs with his 358MGP and is very impressed with it but I cant wait to shoot some myself
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/20/15 04:50 PM

Quote:
Staff Scott-Country 6 minutes ago
I have spoken to ATN directly at their booth at The Shot Show today, and they are currently uploading the new firmware to their X Sight devices on the stand.
As soon as my contact has confirmation of when the upload to ATN's website will take place, he has assured me he will let me know.
I will of course pass on any info I have when i receive it.
Have a nice evening
Regards
Paul
Posted By: Techna

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/20/15 08:19 PM

Well I've got a problem that I don't think has been mentioned. My scope is causing huge 2 to 3 foot groups at 100 yards. Shots wander all over the backstop both vertically and horizontally. The mount is very tight on the gun, and this particular gun very shoots nice groups when the X-Sight is removed and replaced by another optic. I did notice after I got home that I can get the scope to move ever so slightly between the scope body and mount if I apply very firm side to side pressure on the front of the scope. This slight movement might translate to a twenty thousandth of deflection at the absolute most and it's probably less. Sure it's enough to string the shots slightly in the horizontal plane, but there is zero up and down movement in the scope and I get vertical shot stringing too. I wonder if the camera in the scope could be loose in its mounting? Has anyone removed their objective to look inside the scope body? It looks like it would come off in the same manner that ATN describes removal of the ocular lens for cleaning the screen/monitor that's behind it.
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/20/15 08:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Techna
Well I've got a problem that I don't think has been mentioned. My scope is causing huge 2 to 3 foot groups at 100 yards. Shots wander all over the backstop both vertically and horizontally. The mount is very tight on the gun, and this particular gun very shoots nice groups when the X-Sight is removed and replaced by another optic. I did notice after I got home that I can get the scope to move ever so slightly between the scope body and mount if I apply very firm side to side pressure on the front of the scope. This slight movement might translate to a twenty thousandth of deflection at the absolute most and it's probably less. Sure it's enough to string the shots slightly in the horizontal plane, but there is zero up and down movement in the scope and I get vertical shot stringing too. I wonder if the camera in the scope could be loose in its mounting? Has anyone removed their objective to look inside the scope body? It looks like it would come off in the same manner that ATN describes removal of the ocular lens for cleaning the screen/monitor that's behind it.



Dismount it and tighten the 2 screws on the bottom. use locktight ( I use blue) on the threads. WHile you have it off the weapon take the 2 small phillips screws out pull the tab off and check the flat head screw for tightness as well.
If it has horizontal movement it WIll also have vertical movement as well.
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) - 01/21/15 12:39 AM

As Shadow has said, just sounds like something's loose on the mounts somewhere.
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 01:38 PM

I just encountered a new issue with my 5-18, and was wondering if anyone else has seen it in their scopes. I power the scope up, and while going through the various functions to familiarize myself with the control buttons (while looking through the scope), when suddenly the scope powers off. I check the lithium batteries and find that two of them are totally discharged, and two of them read "OK" on my analog battery tester. The two that read OK are the two with the positive terminals facing out of the battery compartment. I replace all 4 batteries with fresh lithiums (Energizer Ultimate Lithium), power up, and 15-20 minutes later, the same thing happens. I'm not using GPS or WiFi; I'm not taking video; I am taking an occasional still photograph. But mainly I'm going through the menu, one item at a time, to memorize the controls. Any ideas/suggestions on what might be happening? I've had the scope a bit less than a month and this issue just surfaced last night.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 02:17 PM

Have ya'll seen this commercial for the X-sight? Noticed a lot of footage from members on this forum in their commercial. What do ya'll think?

Posted By: RONIN003

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 02:23 PM

well I guess some members got some free stuff... lol
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 02:39 PM

smirk

At lest they were honest when it comes to the flickering.
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 02:51 PM

From Scott Country International at 0500hrs this morning:

"We received confirmation from ATN Night Vision in the USA at 1:15 AM GMT, which states that the next firmware update will be out either tomorrow or the day after."
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 02:54 PM

Remember, we were already told: this will only add video crosshairs and a basic form of BDC (whatever that means).

Unless they are skipping that version and jumping right to their mythical "2.0" firmware, no/ few other issues will be addressed.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Remember, we were already told: this will only add video crosshairs and a basic form of BDC (whatever that means).

Unless they are skipping that version and jumping right to their mythical "2.0" firmware, no/ few other issues will be addressed.


Kind of hoping some higher up's jumped in and said they need to add the moving reticle in this too. One can only hope! grin
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 02:58 PM

and the fish finder!!!
Posted By: MrKingLouie

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 03:12 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot
and the fish finder!!!


lol35
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 03:19 PM

I have kept a check and read every post on this thread and appreciate everyone. I have been able to set up my 5-18 (with same issues) because of it. Set up at least as far as I can go without the firmware updates. I too have a mount off by a hair but the reticle center update should fix that.

Will anyone really use the Altitude or Velocity? It's almost novelty. I don't need to know how fast I'm moving while hunting. Or how high or low I am. I DO need to see crosshairs and a non flashing screen, ha. Priorities...
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 03:30 PM

Welcome DMS 1971

On the commericial - I think it is well done, it prioritizes the scopes use for hunting given the scenes and outline. I would have liked to see more "actual footage" through the scope, they can overlay a reticle to simulate what we are about to see in the next firmware update.

I'll swing by ATNs SHOT booth today and see what's up.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
Welcome DMS 1971

On the commericial - I think it is well done, it prioritizes the scopes use for hunting given the scenes and outline. I would have liked to see more "actual footage" through the scope, they can overlay a reticle to simulate what we are about to see in the next firmware update.

I'll swing by ATNs SHOT booth today and see what's up.


Yea it looks pretty slick. Let us know what you find out at the SHOT show. Would love to be there.
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 03:33 PM

You don't have a fish finder?

Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 03:34 PM

Originally Posted By: DMS1971
You don't have a fish finder?




ah you must have got an early release of the new firmware. laugh
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 03:45 PM

It was the dang auto correct. I asked for an updated Fishware.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: DMS1971
It was the dang auto correct. I asked for an updated Fishware.


hahahahahahah
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 03:59 PM

Just found a video of someone shooting a deer with the X-sight and the reticle is on the video. Be sure and change video over to "HD" when it starts. Reticle is also centered on the screen.

X-sight Video with Reticle
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 04:06 PM

woooohoooo I hope it comes soon
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 05:09 PM

Sorry guys, I'm just finding lots of stuff today grin

Here's a pic from the SHOT show. I noticed they had a HDMI cable running from an X-sight to the TV which is cool, I haven't tried that yet. Also noticed cross hairs on the video output. Good things to come!


Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 05:31 PM

HDMI out also notice the cross hairs on the tv screen obviously they fixed it
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 05:46 PM

I wouldn't confuse the picture on the screen with fixing the crosshairs on the recorded video, though we all understand that this is supposed to be taken care of with the new release. The picture on that screen does not look like where Marc Vayn, ATN CEO, is pointing the instrument. Could be wrong. I did just try hooking my scope up with a micro USB cable to HDMI on a TV. It displays the reticle and what is seen through the view finder display screen, BUT...it turns off the view finder display screen in the scope. I'm not sure how helpful that is.

I think this is just switching the video from the view finder video diaplay screen to the micro USB video output. It would not be helpful to watch someone else take a shot as they would no longer have a working screen in the scope. All present could watch the TV screen I suppose.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
I wouldn't confuse the picture on the screen with fixing the crosshairs on the recorded video, though we all understand that this is supposed to be taken care of with the new release. The picture on that screen does not look like where Marc Vayn, ATN CEO, is pointing the instrument. Could be wrong. I did just try hooking my scope up with a micro USB cable to HDMI on a TV. It displays the reticle and what is seen through the view finder display screen, BUT...it turns off the view finder display screen in the scope. I'm not sure how helpful that is.

I think this is just switching the video from the view finder video diaplay screen to the micro USB video output. It would not be helpful to watch someone else take a shot as they would no longer have a working screen in the scope. All present could watch the TV screen I suppose.



damn
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 05:57 PM

Don't lose faith. I'm just saying that hooking a cable from a TV to your scope with the current software displays what you would see on the scope screen, but it turns the scope screen off. I don't believe this has anything to do with the recorded video....or the upcoming software for that matter.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 06:04 PM

Well shucks
Posted By: MrKingLouie

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 06:07 PM

Hook the scope with the TV ??? Whois hunting in the livingroom ?
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: MrKingLouie
Hook the scope with the TV ??? Whois hunting in the livinroom ?


There are a couple of uses I can think of. May not apply where you are Louie.

1) Because wi-fi always lags, it is not useful for real time. Hooking the scope to a small 12 volt LCD would be useful for a guide to tell his hunter which animal/s to shoot or not shoot....ASSUMING the scope screen were operable at the same time (it isn't currently). Several guides have stated this would be an option they would be interested in.

2) Same setup, but a father could watch his son or friend could watch a friend shoot real time. This has been discussed also.
Posted By: RONIN003

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 06:19 PM

Those would be nice options but, I believe its so you can see/watch your video and/or pictures from your day/night out without pulling MSDC from the scope.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
Originally Posted By: MrKingLouie
Hook the scope with the TV ??? Whois hunting in the livinroom ?


There are a couple of uses I can think of. May not apply where you are Louie.

1) Because wi-fi always lags, it is not useful for real time. Hooking the scope to a small 12 volt LCD would be useful for a guide to tell his hunter which animal/s to shoot or not shoot....ASSUMING the scope screen were operable at the same time (it isn't currently). Several guides have stated this would be an option they would be interested in.

2) Same setup, but a father could watch his son or friend could watch a friend shoot real time. This has been discussed also.


Louie,

These are the reasons why. I have a Photon XT hooked up to a mini DVR LCD screen for real time viewing/recording purposes. Great for a buddy to see what you're seeing in Night Vision when they can't see and they can watch you shoot.
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 06:23 PM

Originally Posted By: RONIN003
Those would be nice options but, I believe its so you can see/watch your video and/or pictures from your day/night out without pulling MSDC from the scope.


That's a nice option, but there is no current way to start/stop, control the recorded video from the scope. There is another port meant to go to a USB for a computer to download the files I believe.
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 06:28 PM

Personally... I wouldn't use any of this. No interest in the external screen for viewing thing and I'll just remove the card to view the recordings. But that's just me. I'm good with keeping the reticle centered and giving me a reticle on the recording, that's all. grin
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 07:35 PM

Yea I wouldn't need it because the scope records and if a buddy wants to see what I'm seeing I'll give him my phone or a tablet.
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 07:43 PM

Just remember that your buddy will not be seeing real time on your phone or tablet... up
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 07:52 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
Just remember that your buddy will not be seeing real time on your phone or tablet... up


Yessir, our high five might be a little off based on the lag roflmao
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 08:02 PM

Hehe!! up
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: DMS1971
From Scott Country International at 0500hrs this morning:

"We received confirmation from ATN Night Vision in the USA at 1:15 AM GMT, which states that the next firmware update will be out either tomorrow or the day after."


We know one thing, that this means nothing, never been correct and don't hold much faith in anything ATN says about release dates, as we have all learned. I'm hoping it does release as I'm out hunting now and want too get some fixes in while I'm here.
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 08:41 PM

Yea no doubt. As much as we have no choice but to be patient, it def doesn't make it any less frustrating. I would like to think that the CEO and/or President would demand a date and time that the firmware would be ready and if it wasn't released on that date and by that time, heads would roll. It's the only saving grace for a company that is in this situation. At least keeping promises, faithfully and without fail honoring dates and times given would at LEAST give consumers faith in the Company and that they are going to be taken care of. I even think THAT in itself would draw more consumers who are on the fence or ready to return their scopes.
Posted By: krmitchell

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 09:03 PM

I would rather see a better roll out than an update that doesn't work, released only to fulfill a deadline.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/21/15 10:13 PM

What are you all getting impatient over? Confirmation of firmware release "tomorrow or the day after."

Last I checked, today was still...today. Tomorrow becomes today TOMORROW.

Besides, if you're not careful, you'll draw the wrath of the Patient Man.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 01:30 AM

Tomorrow or the day after lol, you obviously didn't see all the next week's, tomorrow, Sunday, etc etc lol
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 01:33 AM

Brings back memories of an April 15th rollout of the x-sight....
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 01:33 AM

You have no idea. There was a fair bit of sarcasm in my post.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 04:58 PM



Patiently waiting
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 04:59 PM

Did you try it? grin
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
Did you try it? grin


no I was stating I am waiting for it LOL dont kill me I was bored
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 05:01 PM

I skeered. I'm waiting on you to try it... grin
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
I skeered. I'm waiting on you to try it... grin

its not out yet thats a moc up of what im waiting for laugh
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 05:02 PM

Oh darn... frown
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 05:03 PM









Here is what I saw yesterday at ATNs booth.

Met Sachal, he was considerate and gave me time to discuss the product along with another member of a forum who happened to be there, the booth was very busy but you could sense Sachal's sincerity to afford us the time to ask questions and handle product.

The 3x adjustable focus x-sight was on hand and running firmware 1.8.0.223, as assumed the reticle still drifts but the image is going to be very much improved from the initial batch of fixed focus scopes. Two additional settings I observed were zoom type (standard or extended) and scope type (3x or 5x).

The sunshades were not on hand at the show, I'll leave it to Sachal to explain what ATN has in store for current owners needing a shade.

I didn't think to look for BDC, maybe if I get free I'll swing back over that way.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs








Here is what I saw yesterday at ATNs booth.

Met Sachal, he was considerate and gave me time to discuss the product along with another member of a forum who happened to be there, the booth was very busy but you could sense Sachal's sincerity to afford us the time to ask questions and handle product.

The 3x adjustable focus x-sight was on hand and running firmware 1.8.0.223, as assumed the reticle still drifts but the image is going to be very much improved from the initial batch of fixed focus scopes. Two additional settings I observed were zoom type (standard or extended) and scope type (3x or 5x).

The sunshades were not on hand at the show, I'll leave it to Sachal to explain what ATN has in store for current owners needing a shade.

I didn't think to look for BDC, maybe if I get free I'll swing back over that way.


so if the recticle was not fixed at Shot Show chances are the video on face book was a Hoax or marketing scam.
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 05:20 PM

Haha nice.

I heard that ATN will update firmware when monkeys fly out of their rear, so today I'm sending them a Proctologist, a Zoolologist and some guy from NASA
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 05:35 PM

We were all told the next firmware would add reticle to video but not fix drift, I checked version 223 and drift is still there but it has no relation to any videos posted.

For the videos I've seen from ATN they overlayed a reticle to demonstrate what the shooter is seeing, that is understandable since the feature is due out sometime.

Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 05:44 PM

Hunttxhogs, did Sachal mention anything at all about the update? Just to clear up any rumers of it coming anytime.
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 05:55 PM

Yes. Sachal stated that it would be here..........last Sunday, the 18th.

#5547718 - 01/16/15 08:38 PM Re: ATN X-Sight 5X18 -- 3X12--- ( Owners Discussion) [Re: cyberpyrot]
SachalATN
Woodsman

"All,

There is going to be a new firmware released sunday. Big thing would be the reticle in the video."
_________________________
ATN Corporation, USA
The Future of Optics
www.atncorp.com
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 06:20 PM

Originally Posted By: cyberpyrot


Patiently waiting


Man that's cold blooded grin
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 06:20 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
Besides, if you're not careful, you'll draw the wrath of the Patient Man.


Bwuahahaha, I'm watching Youuuuu! roflmao

Srsly tho. If their CEO says something, well, come on guys. Even *I* think it should happen. When the boss of the boss of the boss's boss says it needs to happen... what does it say about him if it doesn't?

Also, Cyberpyrot - That was an epic troll. +1 internets to you, sir. clap

I'm interested to see how it all turns out.
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 06:42 PM


WELL.... Here it is boys


Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 06:43 PM

woo hooo new ones out
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:16 PM

Yuppy, See now I am Happy. Lol banana
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Yuppy, See now I am Happy. Lol banana


Glad to see you back Eric.
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:19 PM

anyone try it yet?
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:32 PM

Not yet. Has anyone kept a .200 version just in case?
Posted By: cyberpyrot

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:32 PM

I have
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:34 PM

Ah good deal
Posted By: Eyesofahunter

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:36 PM

Loaded and it the reticle is in picture and video, but the the issue with zoom and reticle moving off screen still exists. I thought the zoom issue was fixed too but my zero had been reset to x=0 y=0 during upgrade giving impression it was fixed. However, after entering x=45 y=65 (my 0 settings) the reticle moves as zoom is applied.

A step in the right direction but not there yet.
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:39 PM

Good to know, thank you. Anything else with the update?

Night flicker, gyro, etc..
Posted By: Shadow357x2

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:43 PM

They added the Experimental bdc to it as well. Normal and extended zoom capabilities.
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:48 PM

Also wondering about night flicker.
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:54 PM

They had said that the reticle movement would not be corrected this go around.
Posted By: RONIN003

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 07:55 PM

I have added the update... Confirm Experimental BDC is on there and I just played with it a little that’s a nice feature so far from what I am looking at it is placing the reticle to new location. The best thing it allows you to put in muzzle velocity for subsonic rounds also. Which means Air rifles can also use this! Bonus... Just basic features though I don’t recall grain weight of projectile
Posted By: RONIN003

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 08:02 PM

Originally Posted By: LastHurrah
Also wondering about night flicker.


Im getting flickering on Low green but, Med and HI none
Posted By: FireNguns

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 08:13 PM

I'm all updated. Will get it zeroed in and play with it to try the new firmware. Hoping for the best and know that ATN will eventually get everything perfect. It's an awesome scope and I think it will just get better.
I have photon Xt 4.6 too but love the potential of the x-sight.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 08:50 PM

Anyone check to see if cross hairs are on video?
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 09:09 PM

Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Anyone check to see if cross hairs are on video?


Originally Posted By: Eyesofahunter
Loaded and it the reticle is in picture and video
Posted By: jimmyb79

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 09:40 PM

Can anyone explain the BDC? Surely to know where your bullet is going to land, it needs to know what range your reticle is zeroed at first?
Plus calibre, Ballistic co-efficient etc etc...
I appreciate its experimental at this stage, does that mean its just to show us what is coming, or could it actually be used?
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 09:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadow357x2
Originally Posted By: ezinkscrr
Yuppy, See now I am Happy. Lol banana


Glad to see you back Eric.


Thanks Shadow357,
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By: jimmyb79
Can anyone explain the BDC? Surely to know where your bullet is going to land, it needs to know what range your reticle is zeroed at first?
Plus calibre, Ballistic co-efficient etc etc...
I appreciate its experimental at this stage, does that mean its just to show us what is coming, or could it actually be used?


Listening intently on this one. I too am very curious how they will be handling this.
Clearly range to target will have to be part of this, and input to the scope in some way.

Just speculation on my part, but preset 'dopings' could probably be calculated at certain range increments, then just cycled through with a button press. Curious if this is how they're doing it, or some other way.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 10:13 PM

Updated here. No time to get ready for tonight's hunt, will have to be tomorrow.
Posted By: MGP

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 10:17 PM

I have the last update saved if anyone ever needs it.
Posted By: Eyesofahunter

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 10:29 PM

I turned on the feature and entered bullet velocity and 0 distance and wind speed and direction. When at shooting screen a blue T appears (I am using the reticle with the dot in the center) above the dot. I have not found how you enter target distance so the T moves to the appropriate hold over, maybe not there yet. I did find if you enter wind speed of 30 mph from N then return to the shooting screen the T moves according to the direction you are facing. If facing East the T moves to the Right compensating for the N wind and opposite if you face West and dead center if facing N or S. Very experimental, but if they can work out an easy way to enter target distance it could be useful.

This is in regard to ballistic feature thought I was replying to earlier post instead of new post.
Posted By: Oldsnipr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 10:30 PM

I know there is no timetable for the version 2.0 firmware (although (I still think there should be) Sachal or anyone, can give just give us some sort of idea on timing? Days? Weeks? Months? Years?

Thanks
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 10:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Eyesofahunter
I turned on the feature and entered bullet velocity and 0 distance and wind speed and direction. When at shooting screen a blue T appears (I am using the reticle with the dot in the center) above the dot. I have not found how you enter target distance so the T moves to the appropriate hold over, maybe not there yet. I did find if you enter wind speed of 30 mph from N then return to the shooting screen the T moves according to the direction you are facing. If facing East the T moves to the Right compensating for the N wind and opposite if you face West and dead center if facing N or S. Very experimental, but if they can work out an easy way to enter target distance it could be useful.

This is in regard to ballistic feature thought I was replying to earlier post instead of new post.


You know, I hadn't even thought of that. But very cool. This makes a lot of sense for use of the built-in auto-compass. Now I'm having visions of a wind gauge in addition to that rangefinder!

My wallet is kicking me in the butt right now, for even thinking about it.
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 10:57 PM

A BDC??? Before a zero fix???
Think we would have rather you spent the time to get the zero fixed. Apparently 60-70% of owners have problems with the zero. The whole main purpose for a scope is to be able to zero it! Priorities c'mon!
Unreal.
Posted By: s6275

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 11:02 PM

There isn't going to be any type of internal/ onboard rangefinder added. Probably not a wind gauge either. smirk

It has been mentioned (and probably makes most sense) that the phone app could feed atmospheric data to the scope. Not "real-time" by any means, but with something transient like wind, maybe that wouldn't matter in the big picture.
Posted By: Wildone

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 11:25 PM

Originally Posted By: DMS1971
A BDC??? Before a zero fix???
Think we would have rather you spent the time to get the zero fixed. Apparently 60-70% of owners have problems with the zero. The whole main purpose for a scope is to be able to zero it! Priorities c'mon!
Unreal.


I just uploaded the latest updates onto my scope. Based on what I have seen thus far maybe I will wait until this weekend to see what has changed. I have to agree in that I was more concerned about the zero fix. Not really concerned about camera/ vidieo capture. That's just me.
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 11:56 PM

Originally Posted By: s6275
There isn't going to be any type of internal/ onboard rangefinder added. Probably not a wind gauge either. smirk


Touche. You have crushed my hopes and dreams. So sad.

Maybe I can get it to play christmas tunes while I'm out shooting. Inside neighborhood joke. nuts
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/22/15 11:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Eyesofahunter
I turned on the feature and entered bullet velocity and 0 distance and wind speed and direction. When at shooting screen a blue T appears (I am using the reticle with the dot in the center) above the dot. I have not found how you enter target distance so the T moves to the appropriate hold over, maybe not there yet. I did find if you enter wind speed of 30 mph from N then return to the shooting screen the T moves according to the direction you are facing. If facing East the T moves to the Right compensating for the N wind and opposite if you face West and dead center if facing N or S. Very experimental, but if they can work out an easy way to enter target distance it could be useful.

This is in regard to ballistic feature thought I was replying to earlier post instead of new post.


I haven't looked at it yet, but you say you entered 0 distance, you sure that isn't target distance? You are already zeroed, wouldn't that be distance to your target?
Posted By: Eyesofahunter

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 12:00 AM

Yes scopes 0 at 100 yards, you can enter what every distance you 0 your rifle at. Sorry for confusion.
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 12:02 AM

http://manual.atncorp.com
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 12:08 AM

Under, (LIGHT AMPLIFICATION)..
Has anyone else lost the HIGH setting?? I can toggle between low and medium but High is blank.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Eyesofahunter
Yes scopes 0 at 100 yards, you can enter what every distance you 0 your rifle at. Sorry for confusion.


Yes that makes sense, guess it wouldn't know what distance your zero is at. I'm guessing it is the simplest of BDC's.
Posted By: Eyesofahunter

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 12:22 AM

At this point simple is an understatement, but if they keep working on it I can see value to it. To be useful they have to make distance input easy, not something where you have to enter menu, reticle, zero, distance then back out to shooting screen. Potential is there see what they do with it.
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 12:31 AM

It says in the name of the download, that it is a 'Beta update'.



Beta firmware is essentially a preview of what is to come. It is testing and should be considered experimental and subject to change. We are the test subjects since we are the early adopters of this scope. So I'm seeing that this will be a long journey.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 12:38 AM

Sure would be nice of ATN to tell us what they are up too. I lost my compass, Anyone else have that happen to them. I really dont care as I wont be using that. Just curious.
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 12:39 AM

Firmware is like a box of chocolates, You never know what your gonna get. lol
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 12:52 AM

Lol u got that right
Posted By: ezinkscrr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 01:10 AM

Originally Posted By: DMS1971
Under, (LIGHT AMPLIFICATION)..
Has anyone else lost the HIGH setting?? I can toggle between low and medium but High is blank.


I lost my compass so I reinstalled the firmware, It then got the compass back but lost High Amp. I did a factory rest and its all working now.
Posted By: MGP

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 01:25 AM

Reticle is on video but not on view finder. I thought it would be but I guess that will come at a later date.
Also with mine now with both updates when done its just stays at 100% then I take battery cover off and hard boot and it works. just wondering if anyone else has to hard boot there's when updating.
Posted By: MGP

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 01:32 AM

Originally Posted By: DMS1971
Under, (LIGHT AMPLIFICATION)..
Has anyone else lost the HIGH setting?? I can toggle between low and medium but High is blank.


Yes high is blank it was like that with the 174 update. with .200 low , medium and high were there now again with .228 just low and medium.
Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 01:47 AM

MGP, I had the same thing: I had to take the battery cover off and have the "system" reboot to complete the firmware installation. I'm really having trouble understanding why they can't even get a simple firmware update to install smoothly, much less function properly once it's installed. . . As a retired IBMer, I completely understand the myriad issues concerned with getting everything right with a new release of soft/firmware; but when they can't even get the install process right, I have serious doubts about their ability to support, much less improve, this hi-tech product. I love what I see from a functionality standpoint on this scope; I'm scared to death about ATN's ability to support it.


Originally Posted By: MGP
Reticle is on video but not on view finder. I thought it would be but I guess that will come at a later date.
Also with mine now with both updates when done its just stays at 100% then I take battery cover off and hard boot and it works. just wondering if anyone else has to hard boot there's when updating.
Posted By: MGP

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 01:56 AM

Originally Posted By: mikei
MGP, I had the same thing: I had to take the battery cover off and have the "system" reboot to complete the firmware installation. I'm really having trouble understanding why they can't even get a simple firmware update to install smoothly, much less function properly once it's installed. . . As a retired IBMer, I completely understand the myriad issues concerned with getting everything right with a new release of soft/firmware; but when they can't even get the install process right, I have serious doubts about their ability to support, much less improve, this hi-tech product. I love what I see from a functionality standpoint on this scope; I'm scared to death about ATN's ability to support it.


Originally Posted By: MGP
Reticle is on video but not on view finder. I thought it would be but I guess that will come at a later date.
Also with mine now with both updates when done its just stays at 100% then I take battery cover off and hard boot and it works. just wondering if anyone else has to hard boot there's when updating.


Im going to hang in there and hope for the best. I hope I don't get hung out to dry!!
Posted By: LastHurrah

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 02:06 AM

Good video of the new update. He doesn't have flickering either.

Posted By: mikei

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 02:18 AM

Well, now, after installing the latest firmware, the scope won't turn off unless I remove the battery cap! I hit and hold the Power button until it counts down to 3 seconds; the screen turns blank, I take my finger off the Power button; and 10 seconds later the scope powers back up on its own!
Posted By: MGP

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by LastHurrah
Good video of the new update. He doesn't have flickering either.



You have not sighted that scope in yet? Correct I noticed the reticle doesn't move when you zoom or when you did the update you didnt reset your x and y values.
Posted By: MGP

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 02:23 AM

Originally Posted By: mikei
Well, now, after installing the latest firmware, the scope won't turn off unless I remove the battery cap! I hit and hold the Power button until it counts down to 3 seconds; the screen turns blank, I take my finger off the Power button; and 10 seconds later the scope powers back up on its own!


Try reinstalling the firmware mine does not come back on by itself
Posted By: Oldsnipr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 02:41 AM

Ok, I have an issue maybe someone can help with. I downloaded the new firmware .288 on to the SD card placed it back in the sight and when I turn it on I do not get the option to update the firmware. I have always gotten it before. I did the update to the .200 firmware exactly the same way, no problems. I reset to factory specs, put in a fresh set of lithiums batteries and it made no difference. Any ideas?
Posted By: SachalATN

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 02:42 AM

Guys,
It is in the instructional manual to do a hard reboot, meaning taking the batteries off, after installing firmware.
Posted By: MGP

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 03:44 AM

Originally Posted By: SachalATN
Guys,
It is in the instructional manual to do a hard reboot, meaning taking the batteries off, after installing firmware.


Sachal you guys know guys cause the instruction manual definitely stereo types guys. Lmao!!
On a serious note will there be reticle in the view finder in the next update and a battery indicator? Thanks Mike
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 03:59 AM

Originally Posted By: MGP
Originally Posted By: DMS1971
Under, (LIGHT AMPLIFICATION)..
Has anyone else lost the HIGH setting?? I can toggle between low and medium but High is blank.


Yes high is blank it was like that with the 174 update. with .200 low , medium and high were there now again with .228 just low and medium.


I have high with 228.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 04:01 AM

Originally Posted By: mikei
Well, now, after installing the latest firmware, the scope won't turn off unless I remove the battery cap! I hit and hold the Power button until it counts down to 3 seconds; the screen turns blank, I take my finger off the Power button; and 10 seconds later the scope powers back up on its own!


Don't hold down the power button too long or it will power back up.
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 04:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Oldsnpr
Ok, I have an issue maybe someone can help with. I downloaded the new firmware .288 on to the SD card placed it back in the sight and when I turn it on I do not get the option to update the firmware. I have always gotten it before. I did the update to the .200 firmware exactly the same way, no problems. I reset to factory specs, put in a fresh set of lithiums batteries and it made no difference. Any ideas?


Format the card, put on the X_sight.bin file, install in scope, power on.
Posted By: Oldsnipr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 04:49 AM

I did reformat the SD card and then the update work normally. Thanks all! I have not seen the BDC in the menu yet, where is it?
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 05:55 AM

Display > reticle
Posted By: DMS1971

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 01:03 PM

FYI if you are having problems with downloading firmware..

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10152748839741925&id=340487881924
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 01:50 PM

You don't need to delete your old one, just can't have it in the same place you downloaded the new one. So if you want to save previous versions, create a folder and put them in there and rename them something like xsight220.bin, xsight228.bin, etc. Then if for some reason you wanted to go back, can put them back to another folder that there is no bin files and rename them back to the xsight.bin.

Or if you do download them where there is another.bin file and it renames them (which, in a PC will ask if you want to overwrite existing file), you can overwrite or move file to the SD card and rename it if it is wrong or proceed if correct. Just have to remember that the file needs to be called xsight.bin on the SD card for it to work correctly.

And each time you put on the SD card, I would format it first so that it is empty.
Posted By: MrKingLouie

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 06:52 PM

Anyone tried if the X-Sight can handle exFAT instead of FAT32 ?
FAT32 can only handle up to 4GB files and exFAT allows individual
files larger than 4GB...

juggle
Posted By: DavidK

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 07:47 PM

Yes, I believe I was using exFat on my newer card.
Posted By: MrKingLouie

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 08:22 PM

Nice,
Posted By: dfwroadkill

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 08:34 PM

Just wanted to throw this out there. I updated two 5X scopes today and had some issues with the recording feature once I did. Tried all sorts of things from A-Z and finally decided to back up to the 200 firmware. It worked perfectly. So, the answer to the question of going backward in firmware level is yes.

In the end, I tried downloading 228 again and reinstalling from 200. It worked this time.
Posted By: MrKingLouie

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 08:43 PM

I have all firmware stored if needed,
Posted By: MoShootr

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 10:53 PM

Originally Posted By: dfwroadkill
Just wanted to throw this out there. I updated two 5X scopes today and had some issues with the recording feature once I did. Tried all sorts of things from A-Z and finally decided to back up to the 200 firmware. It worked perfectly. So, the answer to the question of going backward in firmware level is yes.

In the end, I tried downloading 228 again and reinstalling from 200. It worked this time.


This is good news. Rollback is possible, and re-updating does seem to resolve some issues with botched firmware updates.
+1 for beta testers? lizard
Posted By: HuntTXhogs

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 01/23/15 11:08 PM

So guys, are we going to run one thread or two because I ain't posting twice.

Do we call this one a wrap and move on to 228' probably wouldn't hurt to cross link in the first post of the newer thread that this thread is available for historical reference...

See y'all in the other thread

walking
Posted By: fr3db3ar

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 02/08/15 09:01 PM

I came here to read about the x-sight and I'd like to thank everyone for the input. it took me 3 hours to read this topic but it was worth it. I may have a chance to get a used 5-18 for $500. I think I'll take it if the mount is straight And hope for the best on updates.
Posted By: deereguy

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 02/09/15 09:13 PM

Originally Posted By: fr3db3ar
I came here to read about the x-sight and I'd like to thank everyone for the input. it took me 3 hours to read this topic but it was worth it. I may have a chance to get a used 5-18 for $500. I think I'll take it if the mount is straight And hope for the best on updates.


Mine will be in tomorrow my friend... Will call you tomorrow in the eve.
Posted By: fr3db3ar

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 02/26/15 10:08 PM

Thanks to all the guys here on the post and Deerguy I've got a 3-12 on order. We'll see how it all works out. I bought a Bushnell Equinox Z for scanning. It worked one night and the next it wouldn't progress past the splash screen and couldn't turn it off without removing the batteries. Having it replaced. Hopeing for the best on both counts.
Posted By: fr3db3ar

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 03/01/15 08:23 PM

Well, it didn't take much testing to find out in the daytime the unit wouldn't focus clearly for anything. Video was so so, I looked at it all just to ensure the camera was seeing what I was seeing. Twice the screen would freeze with a last image and I'd have to turn the unit off to clear it. Going back and we'll see what improvements are made. If bushnell would make a scope similar to their Equinox Z monocular I'd buy it in a second.
Posted By: Sniper John

Re: ATN X-Sight -- (Owners Discussion) - (New Firmware 1.8.00.200) - 03/03/15 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By: HuntTXhogs
So guys, are we going to run one thread or two because I ain't posting twice.

Do we call this one a wrap and move on to 228' probably wouldn't hurt to cross link in the first post of the newer thread that this thread is available for historical reference...

See y'all in the other thread

walking



I'm locking this one.

FYI, anyone using an alias account to troll these threads or troll the subject of this thread will have both accounts permanently banned. I found one already and looking at others.
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