Quit it, now I gotta get my drink cleaned up I just spit everywher.

If I was making a call right here and now, it's be .260 for me.

Cause we all know .26 is better than .25...grin...

ah, my mistake, I see that now.

Couple of comments:

I note that the Nosler manual uses a 26" barrel for the 7-08. Most factory rifles in this cartridge and most folks who want a short action cartridge would not use a barrel that long. At 22" or 20" the velocity for the 08 will be somewhat less.

Also, looking at the Nosler manual, it is interesting to note that there are very few powders for the 08 that will reach that level, so if your particular rifle doesn't "like" that powder, you are out of luck.

Moreover, at that velocity, the 7-08 is on par with the 280, a cartridge which has 25% more case capacity. That doesn't make sense.

And, he factory velocity for a 120gr bullet in the 7-08 is 3000fps, so to pick a single load that is over 250 fps above factory specs, is not really a fair comparison, IMO. YMMV.

Bottom line to me: your analysis shows that there is just not as much difference amoung the "deer" cartridges of today as we would like to think, as we obsess over the various options.

definately there can be many variables and your particular results can vary.
All I did was plug in the hottest loads for all three calibers out of the nosler book so it would be a fair comparison, i even gave the .257 a 115 gr bullet not the 120, if I had those results would look even closer as the 120 gr listed is a partition which has very poor bc.



I know what you mean and argue that fact all the time, deer dont get shot and think, oh that was a .243 at only 2900 fps, i can run very far and leave no blood trail or, my oh my that was a .270 at 3100 fps i have to fall down right here.
P.S
thanks for your response its very refreshing to actually speak to someone with a lick of sense and an intellectual response instead of the same ol rhetoric

lets see if you can wrap yer mind around this
in the 7-08
hodgdon list 48 grains of of 4350 at 49,800 cup
im loading a colder powder at 48.5 gr and can assure its well below the max cup of 52,000

You didn't say what kind of bullet or powder, but how do you get 14 grains in the case and still seat a 50 grain bullet enough to really seat? Hornet brass is not the strongest in the world and if you're shooting it in a NEF, I don't see how you're not splitting cases. Those loads are 2 full grains more than I use in my Hornet with AA1680 and 40 grain bullets, but I'm not trying to turn it into a 223 either.

rem cases hold a full gr more than my win cases 14 gr of lil gun is way down on pressure 13 gr shows only 35,300 cup.
Its a full case no doubt compressed, with small pistol primers
but there was quite a velocity spread will be trying small rifle primers and work up again
got 2960 in a 45 gr horady. plus the nef is a 1-9 twist so 50 gr are no problem

smoked a cva .243 wit a hefty charge on the same day in velocity

oh and in my nef it has quite a long throat and I can seat way out there

I thought you were an advocate for vanguards, vanguard?

ya but they dont make a hornet
lol
but the cooper in the hornet has me drooling

NEF has got to fix their extractor issues...

If you're inclined to soup-up a Hornet at a full grain over max load, then more power to you. I'd feel like I'm playing russian roulette from the back end of the gun. How are you measuring CUP - by manual estimates?

Long throat or not, can you get a full bullet diameter equivalent of the bullet seated? You didn't mention if you're using a flat bottom or boat tail bullet.

i agree I do have some stuck cases at time but even with fatory loads, tried polishing the chamber it seemed to help a little.


yes I have know way of measuring actuall pressure just going by hodgdons findings and conventional means of of visual inspection of fired cases
I have only spilt two cases in about 100, 9 time reloaded cases.
45 gr are flat base and 50 gr are boatail and easily compresses a diameter bullet iside
Lil gun is the best thing since sliced bread for the hornet.

Colder? What's the temp difference?

I do have a way to measure actual pressures.
Some of the the stuff I've seen using it would make Chuck Norris scream like a little girl and pee his pants.

I suggest you stick to reputable published load data if you're going to visually guess.

Ease into that to keep the entertainment going...grin...

colder.....

Not this?



Smokin!!!!!