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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: Karnis] #2010426 01/11/11 09:57 PM
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That was it...

80 TTSX's.

Guaranteed to over penetrate...


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: GregW] #2010586 01/11/11 10:42 PM
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he lost me at 14 grains of powder with a 50 grain bullet in a Hornet.



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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: GregW] #2010595 01/11/11 10:44 PM
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heres the best load data out of noslers book
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seems the 7-08 gives up about 100 yds to the .257


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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: Hooper21] #2010601 01/11/11 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted By: Hooper21
he lost me at 14 grains of powder with a 50 grain bullet in a Hornet.


esplain, puhlease




Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: vanguard] #2010619 01/11/11 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: vanguard
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257...Due to premium bullets and its speed...you can hunt any thing in north american with it...safe to say might be a little under gunned for grizz though.

260 is closer to the 7-08, in which I would probely take the 7-08, but wouldn't take the 7-08 over the 257wby.

For the price of the accumark..you can build or get a semi custom that doesn't weight as much, and probley shoot a little better.

Nothing wrong with 260 nice round..but its hard to beat the 257wby..especially with todays bullets. My 2cents



.257 is a great round but its still a 25 caliber, putting more powder behind the same bullet only gives you more distance, it doesnt transform it into a big game gun. Although I wouldnt have any problems taking say elk with a .25.
But 120 gr is max for a .257 and 175 gr is max for the 7-08 which would make the 7mm better for bigger stuff.
When both are handloaded with 120gr bullets the mag only runs about 100-150 ft faster than the 7-08 which makes them almost identical in trajectory


Reading too much Field and Stream magazine?

I bet you quote "energy" when you argue for a cartridge too, don't you?

Premium bullets have changed cartridge effectiveness drastically rendering your line of thought very much outdated...

What if I told you 95% of my deer the last 15 years has been shot using a cartridge burning less than 27 grains of powder?


ill tell you that 95% of deer I killed the last 10 years were done with 13 gr of powder.



Where did you get the Hubble?


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: sactoller] #2010650 01/11/11 10:55 PM
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and a 162 gr a max load






Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: vanguard] #2010701 01/11/11 11:08 PM
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Thats way too much info for me!



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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: vanguard] #2010812 01/11/11 11:38 PM
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If your data is from Nosler's book, why does it reference www.hornady.com?

And what 120gr .284 bullet has a BC of .458?? Noslers's ballistic Tip is listed at .417 on their website. And Hornady's VMax is .365


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: JJH] #2010830 01/11/11 11:42 PM
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If your data is from Nosler's book, why does it reference www.hornady.com?

And what 120gr .284 bullet has a BC of .458?? Noslers's ballistic Tip is listed at .417 on their website. And Hornady's VMax is .365



dunno what yer talking about I have the .284 120 listed at .417
its the 120 .264 thats listed at .458
nosler load data plugged into hornady's balistic calculator.




Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: vanguard] #2010962 01/12/11 12:20 AM
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Thread just keeps going, and going and going, where is the dead horse I want to kick him too rofl


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: BMD] #2011003 01/12/11 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: BMD
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don't keep any of my stuff in this dump...will get back with you when I make a trip in.


nolser lists the 160 gr with 47.5 gr of rl 19 at 2780, i run 48.5 gr compressed behind the 162 sst in a 24" weatherby right at 2800fps
just starting to show pressure, but thats what it likes, I back down and accuracy starts to fade, so I load it there, i get about 7 loads at that and start to see case seperation



Continue running overloads and you will have a vanguard bolt lawsuit I guess or someone close to you can try rofl


Hard to have a lawsuit since Weatherby has been monitering this thread since the beginning. Please don't over load it is very dangerous and will lead to problems.


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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: huntwest] #2011032 01/12/11 12:42 AM
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I was being sarcastic he would never have a leg to stand on after his posts cheers


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: BMD] #2011100 01/12/11 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted By: BMD
Thread just keeps going, and going and going, where is the dead horse I want to kick him too rofl


With over 1 post per page, you have a few kicks in smile


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lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true
Mainstream news might be fun to watch
Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: vanguard] #2011163 01/12/11 01:19 AM
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and a 162 gr a max load



And? You can enter whatever information you want in the ballistics calculator, it's not relevant. I entered 70 grs and it gave info. Your just dealing with external ballistics in your pics. Deal with internal such as:

Wt. Bullet Powder Charge FPS
162 Hornady BTSP IMR IMR-3031 34.3 2339
162 Hornady BTSP IMR IMR-3031 39.0 2631
162 Hornady BTSP Accurate AAC-2460 33.3 2181
162 Hornady BTSP Accurate AAC-2460 39.0 2533
162 Hornady BTSP IMR IMR-4895 36.5 2350
162 Hornady BTSP IMR IMR-4895 39.5 2604
162 Hornady BTSP IMR IMR-4064 35.5 2317
162 Hornady BTSP IMR IMR-4064 40.5 2626
162 Hornady BTSP IMR IMR-4320 36.0 2301
162 Hornady BTSP IMR IMR-4320 40.9 2589
162 Hornady BTSP Alliant RL-15 38.5 2421
162 Hornady BTSP Alliant RL-15 41.5 2690
162 Hornady BTSP Hodgdon H-380 38.7 2325
162 Hornady BTSP Hodgdon H-380 44.0 2627
162 Hornady BTSP WW W-760 41.8 2395
162 Hornady BTSP WW W-760 45.5 2663
162 Hornady BTSP Hodgdon H-414 40.0 2312
162 Hornady BTSP Hodgdon H-414 45.4 2677
162 Hornady BTSP IMR IMR-4350 39.5 2343
162 Hornady BTSP IMR IMR-4350 45.0 2622
162 Hornady BTSP Alliant RL-19 42.0 2264
162 Hornady BTSP Alliant RL-19 49.0 2702



Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: Karnis] #2011201 01/12/11 01:32 AM
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relevant, theres that word again. nothings relevant in yer little world, balisitc calculators are irelevant
double WOW!
wtf r u talking about
you posted load data. I put said load data in a calculator
and its not relevant wtf

ya me thinks I wont be taking any of yer advice, on anything.




Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: vanguard] #2011268 01/12/11 01:51 AM
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Man I take a little time out to go meet a fellow THF'er and I missed 50+ posts on this thread alone! eek2


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: vanguard] #2011285 01/12/11 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: vanguard
relevant, theres that word again. nothings relevant in yer little world, balisitc calculators are irelevant
double WOW!
wtf r u talking about
you posted load data. I put said load data in a calculator
and its not relevant wtf

ya me thinks I wont be taking any of yer advice, on anything.





Then you really shouldn't be giving advise! I will continue to listen to Karnis, and allow him to work on all my rifles and loads, I think much safer than listening to a wanna be gun salesman at Academy rofl


Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: JCB] #2011302 01/12/11 02:00 AM
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Man I take a little time out to go meet a fellow THF'er and I missed 50+ posts on this thread alone! eek2


Same here was busy for a while and wow were ya'll busy. The only thing I will say if max load is as far as you should load according to saami yet some factory loads that are acceptable (to SAAMI standards) but show all the classic tell tale signs of overpressure when fired in some rifles. Now since these have been tested and checked prior to sale is it safe to keep shooting when you have to force the bolt open?



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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: dee] #2011310 01/12/11 02:02 AM
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Man I take a little time out to go meet a fellow THF'er and I missed 50+ posts on this thread alone! eek2


Same here was busy for a while and wow were ya'll busy. The only thing I will say if max load is as far as you should load according to saami yet some factory loads that are acceptable (to SAAMI standards) but show all the classic tell tale signs of overpressure when fired in some rifles. Now since these have been tested and checked prior to sale is it safe to keep shooting when you have to force the bolt open?


let me guess, was it a remington rifle doing that




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Nope it was a Vanguard rofl


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i like my 260.



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No a FN with factory Hornady custom ammo and a custom made .22-250 with Winchester ammo



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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby [Re: BMD] #2011498 01/12/11 02:37 AM
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Let me explain a little something to you vandumbguard, some of the folks your arguing with have forgotten more about handloading and shooting game than you've ever done.

Did you get all this experience in your 18 months or so of reloading experience boy, or just working the counter at Academy?

I won't argue your max load in your 7-08, though its dangerous. In some rifles exceeding max loads shows no pressure signs, especially in a newer rifle like yours.

But in any other rifle, be it another Vanguard, Model 70, Model 700, M-77, T-3, etc. etc. it may show signs, even dangerous ones, immediately.

So your example is irrelevant, someone could come along with a Model 700 and exceed the velocitys you got in your rifle with little to no pressure signs, another could come along with the exact model rifle as yours and never get over 3000 without showing pressure signs.

People who have been doing it alot longer than you have seen this, you will too after you get a little more time under your belt.

I would strongly suggest you try to be a know it all with your custmers at Academy, at least you'd have a better chance of them not realizing what an inexperienced blow hard you are.

BTW, did you get this massive amount of experience about how much better Vanguards are by the example of one that you own?

I had one Vanguard that was a POS, didn't hear me coming here babbling about how Weatherby Vanguards are complete pieces of junk did you? Thats because I've owned more than one and know they are decent rifles for the most part. After a little more experience you may realize the same.

By the way, love the little bit with you babbling about people getting their results from the internet. Then I'll be darned, you post a pic of data off the internet to back your babbling.

Either your nothing more than a troll or your really as ignorant as you make out to be.

Bill




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Nope it was a Vanguard rofl


NO! It couldn't be, because vanguard works the counter at Academy and he said this wasn't so!!


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Let me explain a little something to you vandumbguard, some of the folks your arguing with have forgotten more about handloading and shooting game than you've ever done.


ya sounds like it




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