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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 02:50 PM
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 03:27 PM
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dont you hate it when yer wrong. blow smoke up someones elses a$$ He isn't wrong I agree, I wont argue numbers with whoever it is up there that is flippin out. Out of those too... 257 and premium bullits Hands Down! Reloding just sweetens the deal, now you can shoot it for practicaly the same cost as a 270 or something similar. matt
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 03:32 PM
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The 257 and 260 which if we will notice was the OP subject are 2 quite different cartridges, both are very capable big game rounds IMO
260 - Quote from the Nosler reloading manual Jim Carmichel "I was doing a lot of High Power and Silhouette rifle competitive shooting then, which got me longing for a caliber that would deliver top accuracy, a reasonably flat trajectory and good wind bucking characteristics with plenty of retained energy at 500 meters. " The 6.5 panther that was the result of that agenda became the 260 remington when it was briught out in factory form. Those charachteristics also make it a fine short action hunting round. Short action = lighter handier rifle something I personally like. Hunting I carry a rifle a lot more than I shoot it. I like all the 308 family of cartridges, efficeint and will get the job done without extra recoil at ranges further than most including myself should shoot at game.
257 Weatherby - Roy Weatherby's favorite cartridge. A powerhouse of a 25 caliber cartridge. Fast, Flat accurate also. I would have no issue hunting Elk with this round out to 400 yards and have friends that do. Really like this round and might own one some day but then again I might not. Rifles tend to be heavier and longer (not as handy in blind or truck) in the 257 than short actions.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 03:43 PM
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Took a Hog with my Mark V 257 at 351 yards (Leupold rangefinder verified). One shot and he fell 150 pounds. Bought the Mark V at a gun show for $800 and put a VXIII scope on it. Great gun!
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 03:58 PM
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dont you hate it when yer wrong. blow smoke up someones elses a$$ He isn't wrong Exactly, he's not wrong. I'd like to see pics of all the big game the other person has taken with these rounds to back up their penetration claims..... This whole thing was an apples to oranges comparison from the get go. Comparing a mild (yet very effective) short action round to a hyper velocity long action catridge, why? Two totally different things. It's like comparing a 30-30 to a 30/06, both good rounds, but generally used for very different applications. Personally, I like both rounds, but given the choice something like elk, which is the upper end for both rounds, I would take the 257 Weatherby. 115-120 grain premium bullets at 3300 or so puts the wammy on things, I've seen it. Bill
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 04:27 PM
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dont you hate it when yer wrong. blow smoke up someones elses a$$ He isn't wrong 
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:02 PM
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I stand some what corrected... Talk to a good friend this morning he uses the 162 amax as a bench load due to its high bc... but his best accuracy is under 2400ft. He stated awesome bc and great at buckling the wind ..but laughed at using it as a hunting round over 250 yards.... velocities are to low for that big of a bullet to get the best performance for how its designed. Basically said there was a reason for the 140 factory offerings. Those speeds or better are where most 7mm bullets perform best on live animals Basically said if you use a 7mm bullet 16O or bigger for hunting better use it in a 7mag. For the record guys op said he would be reloading so I would be looking at a manual instead of factory ammo, I'm sure the op doesn't want to want to pay close to $70.00 a box for the weatherby/Norm stuff. Oh and Bobo a factory 1:9(which is the most common 7mm-08 twist) will stabilize up to 168 some even say it'll stabilize 180vld's but my chart says different.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:09 PM
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Bobo 257roy and vortex guru 
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:26 PM
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I stand some what corrected... Talk to a good friend this morning he uses the 162 amax as a bench load due to its high bc... but his best accuracy is under 2400ft. He stated awesome bc and great at buckling the wind ..but laughed at using it as a hunting round over 250 yards.... velocities are to low for that big of a bullet to get the best performance for how its designed. Basically said there was a reason for the 140 factory offerings.
Those speeds or better are where most 7mm bullets perform best on live animals
Basically said if you use a 7mm bullet 16O or bigger for hunting better use it in a 7mag. do what ? first a 162 a-max is a target bullet, a 162 gr sst is a hunting bullet. let me get this straight, 162 gr out of a 7-08 is to big for 2800 fps, but a 180 gr bullet out of a 30-06 at 2800fps is ok and a 165gr out of a 308 at 2700fps is ok too right....... yer friends a moron
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:30 PM
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:33 PM
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I got swaro and zeiss too  Actually probely more of a 22-250..and Tsx...but going on a doe killing spree this weekend...243 80 ttsx's and maybe the 257 80ttsx's also
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:34 PM
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Bobo 257roy and vortex guru That aint saying much.  
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:36 PM
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:37 PM
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:38 PM
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.284 win is starting to make a lil of a come back and offers a lil in between the 7mm-08 and the magnums but really needs a long action to really shine.
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:43 PM
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Your shooting a 162 grain bullet out of a 7-08 at 2800 ft?? I stand some what corrected... Talk to a good friend this morning he uses the 162 amax as a bench load due to its high bc... but his best accuracy is under 2400ft. He stated awesome bc and great at buckling the wind ..but laughed at using it as a hunting round over 250 yards.... velocities are to low for that big of a bullet to get the best performance for how its designed. Basically said there was a reason for the 140 factory offerings.
Those speeds or better are where most 7mm bullets perform best on live animals
Basically said if you use a 7mm bullet 16O or bigger for hunting better use it in a 7mag. do what ? first a 162 a-max is a target bullet, a 162 gr sst is a hunting bullet. let me get this straight, 162 gr out of a 7-08 is to big for 2800 fps, but a 180 gr bullet out of a 30-06 at 2800fps is ok and a 165gr out of a 308 at 2700fps is ok too right....... yer friends a moron
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:44 PM
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Your shooting a 162 grain bullet out of a 7-08 at 2800 ft?? I stand some what corrected... Talk to a good friend this morning he uses the 162 amax as a bench load due to its high bc... but his best accuracy is under 2400ft. He stated awesome bc and great at buckling the wind ..but laughed at using it as a hunting round over 250 yards.... velocities are to low for that big of a bullet to get the best performance for how its designed. Basically said there was a reason for the 140 factory offerings.
Those speeds or better are where most 7mm bullets perform best on live animals
Basically said if you use a 7mm bullet 16O or bigger for hunting better use it in a 7mag. do what ? first a 162 a-max is a target bullet, a 162 gr sst is a hunting bullet. let me get this straight, 162 gr out of a 7-08 is to big for 2800 fps, but a 180 gr bullet out of a 30-06 at 2800fps is ok and a 165gr out of a 308 at 2700fps is ok too right....... yer friends a moron BS. You can barely push a 140 at 2800fps, maybe 2850 if you press your luck. 
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:46 PM
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:46 PM
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:46 PM
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dont you hate it when yer wrong. blow smoke up someones elses a$$ He isn't wrong Personally, I like both rounds, but given the choice something like elk, which is the upper end for both rounds, I would take the 257 Weatherby. 115-120 grain premium bullets at 3300 or so puts the wammy on things, I've seen it. Bill That's un-American Bill! Signed, Charter member of the .260 club of 24HC....grin... 
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:50 PM
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257...Due to premium bullets and its speed...you can hunt any thing in north american with it...safe to say might be a little under gunned for grizz though.
260 is closer to the 7-08, in which I would probely take the 7-08, but wouldn't take the 7-08 over the 257wby.
For the price of the accumark..you can build or get a semi custom that doesn't weight as much, and probley shoot a little better.
Nothing wrong with 260 nice round..but its hard to beat the 257wby..especially with todays bullets. My 2cents .257 is a great round but its still a 25 caliber, putting more powder behind the same bullet only gives you more distance, it doesnt transform it into a big game gun. Although I wouldnt have any problems taking say elk with a .25. But 120 gr is max for a .257 and 175 gr is max for the 7-08 which would make the 7mm better for bigger stuff. When both are handloaded with 120gr bullets the mag only runs about 100-150 ft faster than the 7-08 which makes them almost identical in trajectory Reading too much Field and Stream magazine? I bet you quote "energy" when you argue for a cartridge too, don't you? Premium bullets have changed cartridge effectiveness drastically rendering your line of thought very much outdated... What if I told you 95% of my deer the last 15 years has been shot using a cartridge burning less than 27 grains of powder?
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:54 PM
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Your shooting a 162 grain bullet out of a 7-08 at 2800 ft?? I stand some what corrected... Talk to a good friend this morning he uses the 162 amax as a bench load due to its high bc... but his best accuracy is under 2400ft. He stated awesome bc and great at buckling the wind ..but laughed at using it as a hunting round over 250 yards.... velocities are to low for that big of a bullet to get the best performance for how its designed. Basically said there was a reason for the 140 factory offerings.
Those speeds or better are where most 7mm bullets perform best on live animals
Basically said if you use a 7mm bullet 16O or bigger for hunting better use it in a 7mag. do what ? first a 162 a-max is a target bullet, a 162 gr sst is a hunting bullet. let me get this straight, 162 gr out of a 7-08 is to big for 2800 fps, but a 180 gr bullet out of a 30-06 at 2800fps is ok and a 165gr out of a 308 at 2700fps is ok too right....... yer friends a moron BS. You can barely push a 140 at 2800fps, maybe 2850 if you press your luck. http://www.nosler.com/Reloading-Data/7mm-08-Remington-140-Grains.aspxhttp://www.nosler.com/Reloading-Data/7mm-08-Remington-160-Grains.aspxhttp://www.nosler.com/Reloading-Data/7mm-08-Remington-175-Grains.aspx
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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01/11/11 05:55 PM
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[/quote] let me get this straight, 162 gr out of a 7-08 is to big for 2800 fps, but a 180 gr bullet out of a 30-06 at 2800fps is ok and a 165gr out of a 308 at 2700fps is ok too right....... yer friends a moron [/quote]
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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257...Due to premium bullets and its speed...you can hunt any thing in north american with it...safe to say might be a little under gunned for grizz though.
260 is closer to the 7-08, in which I would probely take the 7-08, but wouldn't take the 7-08 over the 257wby.
For the price of the accumark..you can build or get a semi custom that doesn't weight as much, and probley shoot a little better.
Nothing wrong with 260 nice round..but its hard to beat the 257wby..especially with todays bullets. My 2cents .257 is a great round but its still a 25 caliber, putting more powder behind the same bullet only gives you more distance, it doesnt transform it into a big game gun. Although I wouldnt have any problems taking say elk with a .25. But 120 gr is max for a .257 and 175 gr is max for the 7-08 which would make the 7mm better for bigger stuff. When both are handloaded with 120gr bullets the mag only runs about 100-150 ft faster than the 7-08 which makes them almost identical in trajectory Reading too much Field and Stream magazine? I bet you quote "energy" when you argue for a cartridge too, don't you? Premium bullets have changed cartridge effectiveness drastically rendering your line of thought very much outdated... What if I told you 95% of my deer the last 15 years has been shot using a cartridge burning less than 27 grains of powder? ill tell you that 95% of deer I killed the last 10 years were done with 13 gr of powder. 
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Re: 260 vs. 257 wby
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257...Due to premium bullets and its speed...you can hunt any thing in north american with it...safe to say might be a little under gunned for grizz though.
260 is closer to the 7-08, in which I would probely take the 7-08, but wouldn't take the 7-08 over the 257wby.
For the price of the accumark..you can build or get a semi custom that doesn't weight as much, and probley shoot a little better.
Nothing wrong with 260 nice round..but its hard to beat the 257wby..especially with todays bullets. My 2cents .257 is a great round but its still a 25 caliber, putting more powder behind the same bullet only gives you more distance, it doesnt transform it into a big game gun. Although I wouldnt have any problems taking say elk with a .25. But 120 gr is max for a .257 and 175 gr is max for the 7-08 which would make the 7mm better for bigger stuff. When both are handloaded with 120gr bullets the mag only runs about 100-150 ft faster than the 7-08 which makes them almost identical in trajectory Reading too much Field and Stream magazine? I bet you quote "energy" when you argue for a cartridge too, don't you? Premium bullets have changed cartridge effectiveness drastically rendering your line of thought very much outdated... What if I told you 95% of my deer the last 15 years has been shot using a cartridge burning less than 27 grains of powder? ill tell you that 95% of deer I killed the last 10 years were done with 13 gr of powder. Sweet! Love the Hornet...
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