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Diesel vs Gas Engines #9162975 01/03/25 12:40 PM
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I never understood why the automotive industry never went all in on diesel engines. Reading this article it makes even less sense.

https://www.cummins.com/news/2024/02/27/clessie-cummins-exploration-diesels-potential-passenger-cars

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In 1935, with no diesel-powered passenger cars in production at the time, Cummins Inc. briefly collaborated with Auburn Automobile Company to install a prototype Cummins Model A 6-cylinder diesel in a 1935 Auburn. Using an aluminum block and head for a much lighter engine than typical cast-iron diesel engines, the innovative new engine provided fuel efficiency by getting better mileage using less expensive fuel: diesel compared to a gasoline counterpart, with diesel being less than half the price of gasoline.

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The only thing wrong with diesel engines is the EPA.


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If they hadn’t went low sulfur, with todays technology I don’t know how many gas engines would be out there.

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Originally Posted by kry226
The only thing wrong with diesel engines is the EPA.


Which is why the 1981 John Deere 4440 tractor I bought in 2023, with 4200 hours on it, cost what it would have cost new in 1981. It does not have any EPA on it.


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Originally Posted by wp75169
If they hadn’t went low sulfur, with todays technology I don’t know how many gas engines would be out there.


Agreed. The old high sulfur fuel was cheap, and the fuel systems got lubricated well.


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The EPA didn't come around until 1970 something, the industry had a great opportunity to adopt diesel before that. Beats me.

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Originally Posted by J.G.
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The only thing wrong with diesel engines is the EPA.


Which is why the 1981 John Deere 4440 tractor I bought in 2023, with 4200 hours on it, cost what it would have cost new in 1981. It does not have any EPA on it.

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If they hadn’t went low sulfur, with todays technology I don’t know how many gas engines would be out there.


Agreed. The old high sulfur fuel was cheap, and the fuel systems got lubricated well.


Do you add anything to the new diesel for the tractor or does it handle the low sulfur okay?


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Originally Posted by Paluxy
I never understood why the automotive industry never went all in on diesel engines. Reading this article it makes even less sense.

https://www.cummins.com/news/2024/02/27/clessie-cummins-exploration-diesels-potential-passenger-cars

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In 1935, with no diesel-powered passenger cars in production at the time, Cummins Inc. briefly collaborated with Auburn Automobile Company to install a prototype Cummins Model A 6-cylinder diesel in a 1935 Auburn. Using an aluminum block and head for a much lighter engine than typical cast-iron diesel engines, the innovative new engine provided fuel efficiency by getting better mileage using less expensive fuel: diesel compared to a gasoline counterpart, with diesel being less than half the price of gasoline.


Wait until you see the new diesel emissions requirements for 2028


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Originally Posted by QuitShootinYoungBucks
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The only thing wrong with diesel engines is the EPA.


Which is why the 1981 John Deere 4440 tractor I bought in 2023, with 4200 hours on it, cost what it would have cost new in 1981. It does not have any EPA on it.

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If they hadn’t went low sulfur, with todays technology I don’t know how many gas engines would be out there.


Agreed. The old high sulfur fuel was cheap, and the fuel systems got lubricated well.


Do you add anything to the new diesel for the tractor or does it handle the low sulfur okay?


I add Clear Diesel to the nurse tank, when I fill that up. A trusted local mechanic told me thats all I need to do.


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Originally Posted by J.G.
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The only thing wrong with diesel engines is the EPA.


Which is why the 1981 John Deere 4440 tractor I bought in 2023, with 4200 hours on it, cost what it would have cost new in 1981. It does not have any EPA on it.

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Originally Posted by wp75169
If they hadn’t went low sulfur, with todays technology I don’t know how many gas engines would be out there.


Agreed. The old high sulfur fuel was cheap, and the fuel systems got lubricated well.


Do you add anything to the new diesel for the tractor or does it handle the low sulfur okay?


I add Clear Diesel to the nurse tank, when I fill that up. A trusted local mechanic told me thats all I need to do.



Not sure what adding clear will do, the only difference is the red dye. I was in the fuel/lube/propane business for 26 years. The modern day diesel fuels have a lubricity problem, and often times the refinery/terminal will add a lubricity additive to the fuel after refining. States have varying cetane requirements as well, but they can vary from batch to batch. I highly recommend a periodic diesel fuel additive like Hot Shots Everyday, every few tankfuls.

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“Clear diesel” is an anti algae supplement, not sure it has lubricant additives, but I use it in all my storage for tractors and irrigation engine tanks. As far as supplement ours is or told that it is delivered with lube additive


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Originally Posted by Paluxy
I never understood why the automotive industry never went all in on diesel engines. Reading this article it makes even less sense.

https://www.cummins.com/news/2024/02/27/clessie-cummins-exploration-diesels-potential-passenger-cars

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In 1935, with no diesel-powered passenger cars in production at the time, Cummins Inc. briefly collaborated with Auburn Automobile Company to install a prototype Cummins Model A 6-cylinder diesel in a 1935 Auburn. Using an aluminum block and head for a much lighter engine than typical cast-iron diesel engines, the innovative new engine provided fuel efficiency by getting better mileage using less expensive fuel: diesel compared to a gasoline counterpart, with diesel being less than half the price of gasoline.


Probably a combination of performance and government BS.

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Government sure fixed that problem of diesel being cheaper than gas at the pump.

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I love my 1/2 ton diesel. If it would be a pre-emission pre-electric everything diesel I’d really love it.


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Originally Posted by redchevy
I love my 1/2 ton diesel. If it would be a pre-emission pre-electric everything diesel I’d really love it.


I never understood a half ton diesel. You still have limited towing due to the half ton truck itself minus the motor

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I love my 1/2 ton diesel. If it would be a pre-emission pre-electric everything diesel I’d really love it.


I never understood a half ton diesel. You still have limited towing due to the half ton truck itself minus the motor



Fuel mileage.


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I love my 1/2 ton diesel. If it would be a pre-emission pre-electric everything diesel I’d really love it.


I never understood a half ton diesel. You still have limited towing due to the half ton truck itself minus the motor


I guess that's the point of my post, more vehicles should be diesel. Not just trucks and tractors

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I love my 1/2 ton diesel. If it would be a pre-emission pre-electric everything diesel I’d really love it.


I never understood a half ton diesel. You still have limited towing due to the half ton truck itself minus the motor


I guess that's the point of my post, more vehicles should be diesel. Not just trucks and tractors


Concur cheers


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Diesel was also cheaper before the EPA decided to make diesel elimination its mission. Whether by reformulation of the product or messing with the equipment they are regulating it out of existence.

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Diesel was also cheaper before the EPA decided to make diesel elimination its mission. Whether by reformulation of the product or messing with the equipment they are regulating it out of existence.


Google 2028 diesel admission regulations


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Fuel milege?? If you do the math by adding the extra cost of the diesel motor along with the extra cost of the diesel fuel it will take 10 years just to break even. Going by driving 15,000 a year.

Waiting 10 years to break even is a loss. The democrat logic spend $100 to save a dollar

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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
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Diesel was also cheaper before the EPA decided to make diesel elimination its mission. Whether by reformulation of the product or messing with the equipment they are regulating it out of existence.


Google 2028 diesel admission regulations


Will I want throw up?

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Originally Posted by jetdad
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Diesel was also cheaper before the EPA decided to make diesel elimination its mission. Whether by reformulation of the product or messing with the equipment they are regulating it out of existence.


Google 2028 diesel admission regulations


Will I want throw up?


I’d suggest not even looking at it, it’s mind boggling insanity.

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Originally Posted by blanked
Fuel milege?? If you do the math by adding the extra cost of the diesel motor along with the extra cost of the diesel fuel it will take 10 years just to break even. Going by driving 15,000 a year.

Waiting 10 years to break even is a loss. The democrat logic spend $100 to save a dollar


True. For me i drive 50,000 per year so the payback is about 3 years plus i typically put about 400k on them before i dump them. Think it was one of my high school teachers a long time ago who said simple payback needs to be 3 years or less or not worth it once inflation, interest rates, maintenance plus a bunch of other factors are accounted for.

Also i burn oil because i can as an FU to all the green Nazis - even if it costs me.

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John Deere makes more money selling parts and labor than it does in the machines themselves right now.

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