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The grid and electric vehicles
#8642629
07/17/22 02:28 PM
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jetdad
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Yesterday or day before I read where Tesla owners got a message from Tesla to avoid charging their cars during peak hours of electric use (3-8PM). The message continued that this wojuld lessen the strain on the already fragile grid. How can anybody believe that it will get so much better in the near future with way more EV's on the road? A child could figure this out.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642640
07/17/22 02:38 PM
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GusWayne
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Take all the smart people now and do a 180° to making NG readily accessible, safe, efficient and let’s start making vehicles
We’re sitting on enough NG supply to last until there’s nothing left but a rock and a coyote in this world
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642650
07/17/22 02:48 PM
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Captain Crunch
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My prediction - As our population and the number of EVs continues to grow, the state will add more and more generating capacity. It will be expensive and always behind schedule and we'll pay for it all, whether you own an EV or not. After we pay for it, we'll be charged high rates to consume it. A generation or two downstream, it'll all seem normal.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642666
07/17/22 03:02 PM
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Greg
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Saw on news the other day that only 2% of vehicles on the road are electric. Can’t imagine the drain on the grid if more people had them.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642680
07/17/22 03:22 PM
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ntxtrapper
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Just green liberal BS. Electric passenger cars are the worst idea ever.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: Captain Crunch]
#8642690
07/17/22 03:31 PM
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chalet
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My prediction - As our population and the number of EVs continues to grow, the state will add more and more generating capacity. It will be expensive and always behind schedule and we'll pay for it all, whether you own an EV or not. After we pay for it, we'll be charged high rates to consume it. A generation or two downstream, it'll all seem normal. Doesn't sound much different than the current road and tax system.
Shoot. Eat. Repeat.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642691
07/17/22 03:31 PM
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booskay
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Don't EVER TRY to use facts to argue/convince a liberal ---------this subject is a perfect example,,, the truth is evident, but not recognized. Part of My published essay on the subject.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642694
07/17/22 03:35 PM
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nak
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Big article published recently about California's growing problem with End of Life Solar Panels. Its been almost 20 years since the massive tax rebates started on them in CA and millions were installed. Their power output has fallen with age and its time to replace them. There is maybe $3 in recoverable material in each one, yet the cost is >$20 a panel to process them. They contain several heavy metals...the stuff that leaches into the water table Many, maybe most, should be classified as toxic waste, but now they are reclassifying the to allow disposal in normal landfills. Some states are thinking about taxing solar power to pay for the coming eco disaster. This is what EV batteries will bring us. Solar Panels Are Toxic Waste
We all need to practice Whoa more.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642702
07/17/22 03:59 PM
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papa45
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Another major concern going forward is mining bitcoin. I admit I know nothing about it, but apparently it can take enormous amounts of electricity. Talk about misplaced priorities!
From an NBC5 news article:
"The world’s largest Bitcoin mining operation is planned by a company called Riot Blockchain on a 265-acre site, 7 miles outside Corsicana in Navarro County.
Bitcoin is mined in buildings with enormous computing power running complicated mathematical formulas around the clock.
At maximum planned usage, Lewin estimated the Corsicana operation alone could draw about half the equivalent usage as the entire City of Austin. He said the sum of all proposed bitcoin mining in Texas could equal the DFW area power demand."
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: Captain Crunch]
#8642707
07/17/22 04:07 PM
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jetdad
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My prediction - As our population and the number of EVs continues to grow, the state will add more and more generating capacity. It will be expensive and always behind schedule and we'll pay for it all, whether you own an EV or not. After we pay for it, we'll be charged high rates to consume it. A generation or two downstream, it'll all seem normal. You're leaving out the materials it takes to produce the batteries and what to do with the batteries when they are used up. It all sounds good in theory but execution is an extreme issue. I'm not saying EV's are bad, but to say we can rely on alternative sources sompletely starting in 2035 is just plain stupid. I must be naive to think there are that many ignorant people in the world. Then again Biden and AOC are in office. I really like the idea of GNG but Boone Pickens tried to get it off the ground back in the late 80's/early 90's. Fort Worth even converted their bus fleet to natural gas. It never took off. Maybe it just wasn't the right time.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642734
07/17/22 04:51 PM
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What I find intresting is the EV are being marketed as a more economical alternative to the consumer.
Based on today's rates, if you can charge at home, this seems logical. Using .10 per KWH would provide an economic mode of transoprtation. But if you are required to charge at a high speed commercial charging station, rates posted on Google Maps are .50 per KW with a $1.00 per minute idle fee. What kind of road tax will collected on registration.
Real winners will be the investors in construction of charging stations. If only one knew when congress was funding the construction?
If the 2nd amendment was written just to include guns for hunting, why is there not an amendment to protect fishing poles?
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642738
07/17/22 04:59 PM
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Hooker
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Title still in my desk drawer: Sometimes it is Sometimes it aint
"Happiness is more important then spilled jelly"
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642792
07/17/22 06:43 PM
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jetdad
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"Real winners will be the investors in construction of charging stations. If only one knew when congress was funding the construction?"
I bet Paul Pelosi knows.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642804
07/17/22 06:55 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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The whole grid problem is BS IMO. If they wanted to solve it, they could. Don't shut down coal until the alternative is proven and producing more energy than the plants you close. Then you add to that people who don't like Texas energy independence. And more...
“Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak, so we must and we will.” – Theodore Roosevelt
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
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#8642808
07/17/22 07:06 PM
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TCM3
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The whole grid problem is BS IMO. If they wanted to solve it, they could. Don't shut down coal until the alternative is proven and producing more energy than the plants you close. Then you add to that people who don't like Texas energy independence. And more... What he said.
Do not forget to entertain strangers, For by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels Hebrews 13:2 (R-TX)
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: TCM3]
#8642816
07/17/22 07:25 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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The whole grid problem is BS IMO. If they wanted to solve it, they could. Don't shut down coal until the alternative is proven and producing more energy than the plants you close. Then you add to that people who don't like Texas energy independence. And more... What he said. X3. we can thank Liberal EPA
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642829
07/17/22 07:49 PM
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reeltexan
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Yesterday or day before I read where Tesla owners got a message from Tesla to avoid charging their cars during peak hours of electric use (3-8PM). The message continued that this wojuld lessen the strain on the already fragile grid. How can anybody believe that it will get so much better in the near future with way more EV's on the road? A child could figure this out. Huge housing subdivisions every where. Think about the implications.
"If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Ronald Reagan
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
#8642830
07/17/22 07:50 PM
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68rustbucket
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The whole grid problem is BS IMO. If they wanted to solve it, they could. Don't shut down coal until the alternative is proven and producing more energy than the plants you close. Then you add to that people who don't like Texas energy independence. And more... I concur.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: reeltexan]
#8642838
07/17/22 08:13 PM
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Simple Searcher
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Yesterday or day before I read where Tesla owners got a message from Tesla to avoid charging their cars during peak hours of electric use (3-8PM). The message continued that this wojuld lessen the strain on the already fragile grid. How can anybody believe that it will get so much better in the near future with way more EV's on the road? A child could figure this out. Huge housing subdivisions every where. Think about the implications. Home ACs are a much bigger factor than electric vehicles. If all electric vehicle owners were to not charge their cars for a day, the difference would be minuscule. A fraction of a percent.
"Man is still a hunter, still a simple searcher after meat..." Robert C. Ruark
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
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07/17/22 08:14 PM
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GNTX
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Yesterday or day before I read where Tesla owners got a message from Tesla to avoid charging their cars during peak hours of electric use (3-8PM). The message continued that this wojuld lessen the strain on the already fragile grid. How can anybody believe that it will get so much better in the near future with way more EV's on the road? A child could figure this out. Which is easy to do with a bit of pre-planning. If I tell the car I want it ready by 7am for my wife to go to work, it won’t start charging until later in the evening. There is a lot of reserve power available during the night time hours as power plants continue to generate electricity even without much demand. Several years ago, I had a friend living in the Czech Republic and they had low night time rates for electric usage. So that’s when he would run his boiler for the steam to heat the house. Later on, I started seeing TOU (time of use) type billing plans here in the US also to motivate people to put off running things like dishwashers and clothes dryers until the overnight hours. Ever hear of Reliant’s Free Nights and Weekends plan? Every time this EV subject comes up, I see a lot of willful ignorance get posted. People just looking for a reason to take a dump on an idea. I’m darn sure not a liberal and I don’t really care if it’s green or not. I just like the experience and the benefits offered by electric propulsion. I know Tesla operates battery recycling plants. They also repurpose cells that are no longer performing to spec in the EV into their Powerwall offering. Toxic waste? Maybe. I don’t know the answer as we humans do generate lots and lots of waste of all sorts. I envision someday it might be economically viable or necessary to just load a cargo rocket with waste and launch it at the sun. That ought to bun up any and all materials to their core. But when it comes to breathable air, thousands of EVs filling the roads of major cities aren’t going to create the emissions that internal combustion engines do, despite all the advances in emissions reductions. Time will tell whether or not the EV was a good idea in the overwhelming majority of vehicles. Wouldn’t be the first time we humans thought something was a good idea, only to later find out it wasn’t after all.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: Greg]
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07/17/22 08:21 PM
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Tbar
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Saw on news the other day that only 2% of vehicles on the road are electric. Can’t imagine the drain on the grid if more people had them. X 2
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
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07/17/22 08:30 PM
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Yesterday or day before I read where Tesla owners got a message from Tesla to avoid charging their cars during peak hours of electric use (3-8PM). The message continued that this wojuld lessen the strain on the already fragile grid. How can anybody believe that it will get so much better in the near future with way more EV's on the road? A child could figure this out. Which is easy to do with a bit of pre-planning. If I tell the car I want it ready by 7am for my wife to go to work, it won’t start charging until later in the evening. There is a lot of reserve power available during the night time hours as power plants continue to generate electricity even without much demand. Several years ago, I had a friend living in the Czech Republic and they had low night time rates for electric usage. So that’s when he would run his boiler for the steam to heat the house. Later on, I started seeing TOU (time of use) type billing plans here in the US also to motivate people to put off running things like dishwashers and clothes dryers until the overnight hours. Ever hear of Reliant’s Free Nights and Weekends plan? Every time this EV subject comes up, I see a lot of willful ignorance get posted. People just looking for a reason to take a dump on an idea. I’m darn sure not a liberal and I don’t really care if it’s green or not. I just like the experience and the perceived benefits offered by electric propulsion. I know Tesla operates battery recycling plants. They also repurpose cells that are no longer performing to spec in the EV into their Powerwall offering. Toxic waste? Maybe. I don’t know the answer as we humans do generate lots and lots of waste of all sorts. I envision someday it might be economically viable or necessary to just load a cargo rocket with waste and launch it at the sun. That ought to bun up any and all materials to their core. But when it comes to breathable air, thousands of EVs filling the roads of major cities aren’t going to create the emissions that internal combustion engines do, despite all the advances in emissions reductions. Time will tell whether or not the EV was a good idea in the overwhelming majority of vehicles. Wouldn’t be the first time we humans thought something was a good idea, only to later find out it wasn’t after all. Fify
Last edited by ducknbass; 07/17/22 08:31 PM.
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: Tbar]
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07/17/22 09:09 PM
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Greg
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Saw on news the other day that only 2% of vehicles on the road are electric. Can’t imagine the drain on the grid if more people had them. X 2 It’s the America we live in now. Everyone takes it in the shorts for the 1 or 2% that cry the loudest
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: ducknbass]
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07/17/22 11:08 PM
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GNTX
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Yesterday or day before I read where Tesla owners got a message from Tesla to avoid charging their cars during peak hours of electric use (3-8PM). The message continued that this wojuld lessen the strain on the already fragile grid. How can anybody believe that it will get so much better in the near future with way more EV's on the road? A child could figure this out. Which is easy to do with a bit of pre-planning. If I tell the car I want it ready by 7am for my wife to go to work, it won’t start charging until later in the evening. There is a lot of reserve power available during the night time hours as power plants continue to generate electricity even without much demand. Several years ago, I had a friend living in the Czech Republic and they had low night time rates for electric usage. So that’s when he would run his boiler for the steam to heat the house. Later on, I started seeing TOU (time of use) type billing plans here in the US also to motivate people to put off running things like dishwashers and clothes dryers until the overnight hours. Ever hear of Reliant’s Free Nights and Weekends plan? Every time this EV subject comes up, I see a lot of willful ignorance get posted. People just looking for a reason to take a dump on an idea. I’m darn sure not a liberal and I don’t really care if it’s green or not. I just like the experience and the perceived benefits offered by electric propulsion. I know Tesla operates battery recycling plants. They also repurpose cells that are no longer performing to spec in the EV into their Powerwall offering. Toxic waste? Maybe. I don’t know the answer as we humans do generate lots and lots of waste of all sorts. I envision someday it might be economically viable or necessary to just load a cargo rocket with waste and launch it at the sun. That ought to bun up any and all materials to their core. But when it comes to breathable air, thousands of EVs filling the roads of major cities aren’t going to create the emissions that internal combustion engines do, despite all the advances in emissions reductions. Time will tell whether or not the EV was a good idea in the overwhelming majority of vehicles. Wouldn’t be the first time we humans thought something was a good idea, only to later find out it wasn’t after all. Fify Naw, you didn’t fix squat. It’s not a, “perceived benefit” when among other things, your brake rotors last for a 100K or more because most of the braking is done by electrical vs. mechanical means. It’s not a perceived benefit when you (or the wifey) doesn’t have to get out to pump gas in extreme weather. It’s not a perceived benefit when there are far fewer mechanical components to fail. It’s not a perceived benefit when you can heat or cool the car before you leave the house while plugged into the home’s electrical supply vs. using up whatever fuel is in your tank to do so. FYI, I drive a diesel dually and I can pre start it too. It’s not a perceived benefit when I don’t have to crawl under and do oil and transmission fluid changes. It’s not a perceived benefit when I have 100 percent torque available to me from a dead stop because there is no power band like an internal combustion engine has. It’s not a perceived benefit when I got to take back $7500 from the feds in the form of a tax credit. That’s $7500 I got to keep and they didn’t get to waste on some other BS. Nope, no perceived benefits at all. But lots of actual ones. FIFY
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Re: The grid and electric vehicles
[Re: jetdad]
#8642979
07/17/22 11:26 PM
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It is truly mind boggling all of the pollution created and fuel burnt to make the batteries for electric vehicles and then to keep them charged. Lets not forget about the environmental disaster disposing of those batteries when they die.
“I never forget a face—but in your case, I’ll be glad to make an exception.” —Groucho Marx
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