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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: Jimbo1] #8608365 05/30/22 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1
Originally Posted by Simple Searcher
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Originally Posted by 2Beez
Did you guys hear about the little girl that put blood all over herself to not get shot. [censored] up forever but genius in the moment. I never heard if that was true or not but I am not looking into this much as I have kids that turn 3 on July 9th.


There has been so much misinformation about the incident that’s been pushed out by the media, who knows what actual facts really are.


This isn't all on the media, although they are part of it. Some of the bad information is also coming from officials/LEOs speculating. Such was the SRO story from DPS.
Other details have also changed, coming from law enforcement.

They still haven't said where the SRO was coming from and why he was not there.


Let me try and clear this up for you, small ISD Police Department, chief and four to six officers depending on who is telling the story, four campuses from what I understand, Now figure in shift coverage, days off, vacations, sick leaves.....I can almost assure you that each of the four campuses doesn't have continuous full day coverage. Once again for you guys from big cities with lots of tax money, manpower and equipment.....this ain't the same.



Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: Superduty] #8608370 05/30/22 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Superduty
I am learning a lot of members here need to learn how to use the "quote" button.

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I have heard this many times, I push the Quote Button and type my response.....is there something more that needs to be done to satisfy the masses here?



Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: Concho] #8608378 05/30/22 02:13 PM
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I don't think it's too much to ask. They can answer and move on. If he was at lunch- fine, if he was at another campus because of manning - fine, if he was on duty having a nooner - not fine.


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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: Simple Searcher] #8608379 05/30/22 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Simple Searcher
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Did you guys hear about the little girl that put blood all over herself to not get shot. [censored] up forever but genius in the moment. I never heard if that was true or not but I am not looking into this much as I have kids that turn 3 on July 9th.


There has been so much misinformation about the incident that’s been pushed out by the media, who knows what actual facts really are.


This isn't all on the media, although they are part of it. Some of the bad information is also coming from officials/LEOs speculating. Such was the SRO story from DPS.
Other details have also changed, coming from law enforcement.


I understand there was an SRO who responded early on, but drove past the shooter as the shooter was hiding behind vehicles in the parking lot.....this is the first and maybe biggest missed opportunity to have stopped the shooter (Not Blaming the SRO, he/she was dealing with the known information at the time and this was apparently very early in this tragedy). The SRO reportedly went to the rear of the school where he/she confronted a person he/she thought to be the bad guy, but turned out to be a teacher. The shooter then entered through an open door, entered a classroom with access to an adjoining classroom through a common restroom area, and locked the door behind him. This is tragedy in every sense of the word, it has been politicalized and Monday Morning Quarterbacked by every entity known to mankind. Mistakes were made, there is no doubts about that fact. I heard the above details from the press conferences so details may change, but I watched the coverage almost non-stop to hear what details were given.



Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: jskin] #8608380 05/30/22 02:15 PM
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I just read the door was opened with a key, not breached

Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: GusWayne] #8608387 05/30/22 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by procraft05
I just read the door was opened with a key, not breached



That is the known information at this time.



Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: Bee'z] #8608403 05/30/22 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Beez
Did you guys hear about the little girl that put blood all over herself to not get shot. [censored] up forever but genius in the moment. I never heard if that was true or not but I am not looking into this much as I have kids that turn 3 on July 9th.


found this on my local news.
In one of those rooms, Miah Cerrillo, 11, covered herself with a friend’s blood to look dead, she told CNN. After the shooter moved into the adjacent room, she could hear screams, more gunfire and music being blared by the gunman.

Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: jskin] #8608413 05/30/22 02:42 PM
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Let back off on the name calling.

I read the same article as DC about the BP was for riot control at prison. 4 BP enter building with the lead having a Bullet shield. Janitor unlocked door for BP. enter was made and perp was killed.


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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: jskin] #8608415 05/30/22 02:43 PM
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I know it is a sensitive subject and the incident has tugged a lot of heartstrings, but for those on this thread who can't have a conversation without name calling each other, stop or your going to be removed.

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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: Big_Country01] #8608662 05/30/22 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Big_Country01
Originally Posted by FiremanJG
Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
Again, if this is how the facts of the situation played out, how could the LE do anything more? If they were in the building, outside the locked classroom with no way to get in, within 2 minutes and the majority of the shots fired were done before that, what more could they have done? I am asking as a non-LE non-expert in door breaching techniques.

It is hard to wrap our heads around the trauma those poor kids that were shot went through and the trauma of the survivors will be lifelong. And I know we want to "blame something" instead of blaming someone for this debacle, but this is far different form the MSM narrative that LE didn't enter the building for a full 40-60 minutes.



The low tech way is with this:

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And a flathead axe or 8 pound sledge. And yes, outward swinging doors can be forced toward you, if the two doing the work know their techniques.

The "more cowbell way" is with this.

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Only two cuts if it is a doorknob lock. 45° cut below the lock, and a corresponding one above the lock, intersecting with the bottom cut. If there was a magnalock on the top of the door, one 45° cut there too.

Loud as hell, and will take a couple minutes. But that is the answer to make a closed door, closed no more.


That's easy to say here, where there is not an armed assailant firing an AR15 in your direction.


Get into the fight, it's their job, it's what they signed up for..."Protect & Serve".


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Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: ntxtrapper] #8608666 05/30/22 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by 2Beez
Did you guys hear about the little girl that put blood all over herself to not get shot. [censored] up forever but genius in the moment. I never heard if that was true or not but I am not looking into this much as I have kids that turn 3 on July 9th.


There has been so much misinformation about the incident that’s been pushed out by the media, who knows what actual facts really are.

Actually the misinformation push has been by the LE spokespersons. Everyone of them has lied through their teeth. They lost so much credibility. It took the DPS HMFIC to finally come out and say they (on scene commander) eff'd up.

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I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.

Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: Big_Country01] #8608678 05/30/22 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Big_Country01
Originally Posted by FiremanJG
Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
Again, if this is how the facts of the situation played out, how could the LE do anything more? If they were in the building, outside the locked classroom with no way to get in, within 2 minutes and the majority of the shots fired were done before that, what more could they have done? I am asking as a non-LE non-expert in door breaching techniques.

It is hard to wrap our heads around the trauma those poor kids that were shot went through and the trauma of the survivors will be lifelong. And I know we want to "blame something" instead of blaming someone for this debacle, but this is far different form the MSM narrative that LE didn't enter the building for a full 40-60 minutes.



The low tech way is with this:

[Linked Image]
And a flathead axe or 8 pound sledge. And yes, outward swinging doors can be forced toward you, if the two doing the work know their techniques.

The "more cowbell way" is with this.

[Linked Image]


Only two cuts if it is a doorknob lock. 45° cut below the lock, and a corresponding one above the lock, intersecting with the bottom cut. If there was a magnalock on the top of the door, one 45° cut there too.

Loud as hell, and will take a couple minutes. But that is the answer to make a closed door, closed no more.


That's easy to say here, where there is not an armed assailant firing an AR15 in your direction.


Yep.

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Originally Posted by TXGUNNER308
Originally Posted by Big_Country01
Originally Posted by FiremanJG
Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
Again, if this is how the facts of the situation played out, how could the LE do anything more? If they were in the building, outside the locked classroom with no way to get in, within 2 minutes and the majority of the shots fired were done before that, what more could they have done? I am asking as a non-LE non-expert in door breaching techniques.

It is hard to wrap our heads around the trauma those poor kids that were shot went through and the trauma of the survivors will be lifelong. And I know we want to "blame something" instead of blaming someone for this debacle, but this is far different form the MSM narrative that LE didn't enter the building for a full 40-60 minutes.



The low tech way is with this:

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And a flathead axe or 8 pound sledge. And yes, outward swinging doors can be forced toward you, if the two doing the work know their techniques.

The "more cowbell way" is with this.

[Linked Image]


Only two cuts if it is a doorknob lock. 45° cut below the lock, and a corresponding one above the lock, intersecting with the bottom cut. If there was a magnalock on the top of the door, one 45° cut there too.

Loud as hell, and will take a couple minutes. But that is the answer to make a closed door, closed no more.


That's easy to say here, where there is not an armed assailant firing an AR15 in your direction.


Get into the fight, it's their job, it's what they signed up for..."Protect & Serve".


Actually it’s not our job to get killed by poor tactical decisions

Re: LEO question about Uvalde shooting [Re: The Dude Abides] #8608701 05/30/22 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TXGUNNER308
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by 2Beez
Did you guys hear about the little girl that put blood all over herself to not get shot. [censored] up forever but genius in the moment. I never heard if that was true or not but I am not looking into this much as I have kids that turn 3 on July 9th.


There has been so much misinformation about the incident that’s been pushed out by the media, who knows what actual facts really are.

Actually the misinformation push has been by the LE spokespersons. Everyone of them has lied through their teeth. They lost so much credibility. It took the DPS HMFIC to finally come out and say they (on scene commander) eff'd up.


You have no way of knowing who is/was lying or if they just had bad information in the mist of a tragedy.....damn, I'd hate to be so prefect that I never made a mistake, maybe some of you heroes could sign up for duty.



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^ Pretty obvious. The parents had more balls than the onsite officers did. BIL...you know me well enough to know that I would have no issues running into the "fire" to save kids.

Hey Concho...all you do is run your fingers across your keyboard and your mouth. You don't exist to me.


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I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.

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Originally Posted by Concho
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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by 2Beez
Did you guys hear about the little girl that put blood all over herself to not get shot. [censored] up forever but genius in the moment. I never heard if that was true or not but I am not looking into this much as I have kids that turn 3 on July 9th.


There has been so much misinformation about the incident that’s been pushed out by the media, who knows what actual facts really are.

Actually the misinformation push has been by the LE spokespersons. Everyone of them has lied through their teeth. They lost so much credibility. It took the DPS HMFIC to finally come out and say they (on scene commander) eff'd up.


You have no way of knowing who is/was lying or if they just had bad information in the mist of a tragedy.....damn, I'd hate to be so prefect that I never made a mistake, maybe some of you heroes could sign up for duty. And by-the-way that was a selfish decision by DPS leader to throw the on-scene commander under the bus, sad day for law enforcement for sure.



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Originally Posted by TXGUNNER308
^ Pretty obvious. The parents had more balls than the onsite officers did. BIL...you know me well enough to know that I would have no issues running into the "fire" to save kids.

Hey Concho...all you do is run your fingers across your keyboard and your mouth. You don't exist to me.


So, if I'm not hitting a nerve for you, why are you responding to my posts? I don't know you at all, never met you that I know, and don't care to meet you. How do you know what parents did or didn't do at this scene other than what you have heard on the main stream media, who are known for their lies.



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The only active shooter scene I responded to, that turned out to be legitimate, was absolute chaos. Injured and dead everywhere, a pipe bomb that had been detonated, incomplete information being relayed over the radio and a 100% dynamic scene with the response plan changing minute by minute.

Anyone's attempt to come to any absolute conclusions about this current incident, is the result of them never responding to a scene like this one.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
The only active shooter scene I responded to, that turned out to be legitimate, was absolute chaos. Injured and dead everywhere, a pipe bomb that had been detonated, incomplete information being relayed over the radio and a 100% dynamic scene with the response plan changing minute by minute.

Anyone's attempt to come to any absolute conclusions about this current incident, is the result of them never responding to a scene like this one.



Yes, I also have responded to an active shooter scene, those who know my identity know what occurred, and I believe I have some pretty good insight on these folks, my guy also was what I would describe as a mentally ill person who gave plenty of warning about his intent, people were scared of him, but that didn't stop the situation. These calls are usually total chaos and lots of misinformation initially surfaces, Monday Morning Quarterbacking serves no purpose what-so-ever, other than making good news headlines.

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I may have never been a LEO but I am a former EOD Bomb Tech (military and contractor). I have responded to live ordnance and UXO scenarios that were stressful and chaotic. So I do know a thing or two about these scenes and situations. I never worked with another EOD Bomb Tech that would not hesitate to be the first one through the door or approach hazardous device to save lives.


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Originally Posted by TXGUNNER308
I may have never been a LEO but I am a former EOD Bomb Tech (military and contractor). I have responded to live ordnance and UXO scenarios that were stressful and chaotic. So I do know a thing or two about these scenes and situations. I never worked with another EOD Bomb Tech that would not hesitate to be the first one through the door or approach hazardous device to save lives.


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My wife pointed out an interesting hypocrisy.

All of these Democrats saying pray for the victims of the school shooting, yet they will not allow Christians children and employees to pray in school or at other functions off campus.


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Originally Posted by Stub
My wife pointed out an interesting hypocrisy.

All of these Democrats saying pray for the victims of the school shooting, yet they will not allow Christians children and employees to pray in school or at other functions off campus.


Yes, very telling, they are hypocrites.



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The school is spread out into 6 or more buildings. Were the parents rushing to the building with the shooter or the other ones? From the news sources no parent tried break out windows in the 2 rooms the shooter was locked in.


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Originally Posted by dogcatcher
The school is spread out into 6 or more buildings. Were the parents rushing to the building with the shooter or the other ones? From the news sources no parent tried break out windows in the 2 rooms the shooter was locked in.

There were windows to break out?


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