You are a real class act.....glad I don't have to be around you on a daily basis.
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Bam, right on that nerve!

Yeah, I don't forget.

Stood on the same pedestal about vaccines and horse wormer (as you called it) as you are now, preaching to the masses, no one can tell you a damn thing. You will never learn. EVER! Even as you have your three shot health problems. Never learn...

And yeah, you would not want to be around me on a daily basis. I would crush your exposed ego constantly, because I have almost zero respect for you. You earned that. Crawl back in your hole for all I care.

FiremanJG,
My department for active shooter first arriving unit goes in with first arriving officers. We have body armor and helmets on all our engines for this purpose. Preferably paramedics go in, but whoever is available goes in behind the officers. They started doing this I know more than 4 years ago. We also have trained officers on the use of our forcible entry tools. Talking active shooter. This is not the same as normal calls where we wait on officers to clear a threat on an ems call, though we did break that policy often on an as needed calculated risk basis if there is a slow police response.

We are pretty much doing the same.

Police and Fire across the country have figured this all out. We use the lessons learned from departments from all over the place.

From their website Uvalde has a fire department with 3 employees and a volunteer force. The police department has 39 officers.

The inside doors of the school were hardened to prevent access.

Dang, DC don't be using facts, you'll confuse the narrative here.....

DC, I’m not here to argue but I posted above that I keep hearing or reading about this lone BP agent going in and shooting the suspect

You were able to find that info out about these particular doors

How was 1 guy able to do that?

From what i read the Border Patrolman was not by himself. What i read said there were 19 in the hallway.

19 officers in the hallway and 19 dead children in the classroom. Damn shame.

Gunman in Uvalde school massacre emerged from closet as Border Patrol agents moved in, source says - CNN" https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-friday/index.html

Members of a specialized Border Patrol unit had entered the classroom, with one holding a shield followed by at least two others who engaged the shooter, according to a US Customs and Border Protection official.

1. How?
2. How long?
3. What did BP have that locals didn’t?

Reports are changing info all of the time.

And I don’t want to criticize myself if I don’t have a really good idea as to what happened

But if the local ISD Police we’re obviously there it does make me wonder what took so long and what did BP have or do that was so different

My gut tells me but I’ll reserve comment until otherwise

The reason u can’t figure it out is because they don’t want u to. Always when something doesn’t make sense it’s because something isn’t right. Just like Vegas u get this that who’s on first then it goes away when they can’t get their gun laws passed then u wait on the next one. Same old playbook.

Apparently competence.

Somewhere I read that they had a specialized team trained to deal with riots inside of detainment centers. The way I understood it that team was used. But I never saw that story again so who knows.

Apparently balls..

Hate to break your heart but they were probably got in that first two minutes. Nobody could have saved them

A plan while they waited for a key with the aid of a shield. I believe a shield was there before the entry but it does no good without a key

Did you guys hear about the little girl that put blood all over herself to not get shot. [censored] up forever but genius in the moment. I never heard if that was true or not but I am not looking into this much as I have kids that turn 3 on July 9th.

There has been so much misinformation about the incident that’s been pushed out by the media, who knows what actual facts really are.

This isn't all on the media, although they are part of it. Some of the bad information is also coming from officials/LEOs speculating. Such was the SRO story from DPS.
Other details have also changed, coming from law enforcement.

Thay Uvalde does have a Fire Department? How does that confuse the narrative?

They still haven't said where the SRO was coming from and why he was not there.

Volunteer force, coming from where? Inside Door Hardened to Prevent Access.....everyone keeps Monday Morning Quarterbacking like all these guys needed to do was make a telephone call and they would have had all the help and equipment they needed to make entry. I'm still amazed that the one poster doesn't understand that the school was on lockdown, people were hiding and doors were locked, yet still believes a key could have been obtained in two minutes. I would have been looking for a shotgun to breech the door, but even then the police would have been blamed for the deceased children. This is rural southwest Texas, not DFW, Austin or Houston, the equipment and manpower isn't waiting at the local station. I spent most of my career working in the DFW area, now in the Texas Hill Country, completely different animal when you go looking for help and equipment.

I am learning a lot of members here need to learn how to use the "quote" button.