Honest question to our resident LEO’s. Is it proper protocol to not go in if first on scene, or first several? We now know lots of standing around and nobody went in until an hour after the shooter entered. In my own opinion, completely unacceptable and there is blood on severals hands if this is in fact true.

It’s not normal and not what’s trained.

To not go in that is.

Thanks c, this is in no way a dig or disrespect to our LEO. I respect you guys tremendously I’m just trying to wrap my brain around things I don’t know. Thanks for your service sir

I can see an individual faltering and failing to do his job based on fear. That’s the day he resigns.

I can’t fathom a group of individuals failing to have someone who would go in regardless of directives from superiors. In fact I can’t imagine the superiors not going in regardless of policy.

I’m not going to sit and assume they could have changed the outcome, I sure don’t know, I just don’t understand the decision making at the time.

I’m not in law enforcement but had an individual fall into dryers which quickly burned away his flesh and much of his muscle, in places to the bone. The crew jumped into the dryers with him to hold his body off of the surface of the dryers to save him. Those individuals boots were burned off and their feet suffered permanent damage but they held tight. That was an awful situation, not comparable to children being slaughtered at all, but it begs the question, how can you hesitate.

One thing that still hasn't come out in the details is the timing of gun fire. Were the LEO outside working on evacuating the other 500+ students and staff? It occurred to me that if the shooter went into a room, did what he did, then was cornered like a rat.....if there were no more shots being fired, maybe LEO were focusing on keeping him cornered while they got everyone else out and safe and it just appeared like they weren't doing anything?

Go asap if you have a driving force ( active shooting / intel). Stop the Killing, stop the dying. You can go in with as little as one or an ideal of 4 in a cell. In the beginning people will just enter.

At some point if you have a team or several inside, it is crucial for someone to set up an incident command post. He will tell incoming units of pd and fire where to stage , set up perimeter at the exits, and formulate more strike teams or rescue teams that include medics. He will request specialty units that have better toys if it becomes a barricaded/hostage situation.

Every cop probably wants to go in but in reality they also have to keep the public out. I believe in this scenario the public sees the perimeter guys standing outside for the hour or what ever the claim is. These perimeter guys know there is enough guys inside.

Imagine if every parent went inside with their Handgun out to get the bad guy. They would put themselves in great danger as the pd doesn’t know if the original shooter is alone or not.

The industry now has got to treating people and getting them out asap. If you have a bad guy defending himself and you can’t get to him or those that need aid, you can’t get to him.

It sounds like in this scenario some pd also got shot. They probably wouldn’t have got shot if they weren’t trying. I will wait for more facts and not listen to the media. It’s a popular Blake after the one Florida officer failed to act a few years back.

The facts will eventually come out. I hope this kinda helps

Excellent thought Sir.

Exactly what I was looking for BIL! Thank you for your service as well

It’s all f’d up we can’t even get the facts…

Wait a minute. You're telling us that the Media is hyping up the story of guys standing around and doing nothing for an hour, when there might be more to the story?! I don't believe it.

+2

The school purchased an AI system called social sentinel technology in 2019 to monitor potential threats with anything related to the school on social media. So why did it not work? It’s supposed to pick it up but didn’t. Was it actually still being used. The system is said to be widely used across texas.

Why would any officer confront the shooter if he has an AR15 and the officer has a pistol? That would be suicide.

Lot of second guessing Rambo’s running around. Facts are all changing on todays news.

Are you a reporter?

Same where I worked. We even carry vests and helmets on our engines and trained if first on scene to go in with/behind officers to pull out and treat victims as they engage the active shooter.

I saw on the news this morning that the first two officers responding did try to engage, but they could not see the shooter.
He could see them, and both were shot.

One was shot in the across his head and by his ear.
The second was shot in the neck and forearm, then both stayed put since they had no idea where the shots were coming from.

This might have been why other officers on the scene stayed low and did not move in.

Addendum: Keep in mind, this was what was reported this morning now that the media/social media is hammering law enforcement.
Addendum: Yes, once officers are shot at, and they have no idea where the shots are coming from, they get scared and do not go forward. No, I'm not a cop.

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Who told you this? Have you ever handled a firearm?

Do you think getting shot with a 9, 40, or 45 is insignificant to getting shot by at .223/5.56?

Heard Dan bongino talking about secret service training. Said putting yourself in the line of fire has to be learned as it goes against Every natural instinct.

Someone pretty smart, very brave and extremely well trained once told me if you ever find yourself separated from your rifle, use your pistol to get back to it.

People watch too much ESPN. WAY too much Monday-morning QBing going on, particularly given that the facts are still being gathered. But that's where we are these days, grab a snippet and run with it.

If the cops were shot and shot at and can't see the guy, they have to get all the other people safe and limit the damage he can do. Hell, at that point they still aren't 100% there's only one shooter. I know it sucks but I'm going to need all the facts, not the media facts but the truth, before I know whether they did anything wrong.

As an aside - how many personal injury attorneys you think are booking hotel rooms in Uvalde right now? So many people trying to capitalize off terrorized and murdered babies. Our great country has a serious illness.

Bottom line is this, which should not be forgotten, or hidden by the fake/woke media....

This shooting at a Texas elementary school left 19 children and one teacher murdered. While about 30% of school districts in Texas 2020 had armed teachers and staff, unfortunately, the Robb Elementary School in the Uvalde, Texas CISD doesn’t appear to be one of them. Their firearm regulations are detailed here. There are no provisions in their regulations for teachers or staff to carry.

https://crimeresearch.org/2022/05/a...mentary-school-in-the-uvalde-texas-cisd/