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Re: Civil forfeiture [Re: bigbob_ftw] #8599153 05/17/22 12:58 AM
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Innocent until proven guilty, unless you have a pile of cash on you

Let’s break this down into the most simplest terms…

Prove it, if not adios

And that’s the game

It’s a lot like a decent dad wanting to see his kids more than 4 days a months after a divorce

We all know it ain’t right but there’s simply not a big enough lobby out there to back it

So you’re screwed

The end

Re: Civil forfeiture [Re: bigbob_ftw] #8599156 05/17/22 01:01 AM
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I understand this has been a gain for some of the notorious small towns with a high level of police traffic monitoring along interstates.


To be determined
Re: Civil forfeiture [Re: bigbob_ftw] #8599182 05/17/22 02:01 AM
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Hmmm….

The collecting agency doesn’t have to prove a crime. They just collect the money. They also get to keep it and benefit from it. The victim of this seizure is on the hook for proving that THEIR money was acquired legally.

What could go wrong with that?

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The county prosecutor’s narrative: We have no idea who owns this money, but we don’t think Johnson does. Our conclusion is based on three facts: He wasn’t sure exactly how much money he was carrying, he couldn’t show that the money came from his business bank account, and the money smells of marijuana.

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What money doesn’t smell of weed? What law requires a person to know how much cash is on them? I’m violating that one, right now. Why does the money have to come from his business bank account?

How about this…. What crime did he commit, and what is the proof that he committed it?

Re: Civil forfeiture [Re: Sneaky] #8599207 05/17/22 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Sneaky
What money doesn’t smell of weed? What law requires a person to know how much cash is on them? I’m violating that one, right now. Why does the money have to come from his business bank account?

How about this…. What crime did he commit, and what is the proof that he committed it?


I have a lot of cash in my gun safe and it doesn’t smell the least little bit like weed.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
The county prosecutor’s narrative: We have no idea who owns this money, but we don’t think Johnson does. Our conclusion is based on three facts: He wasn’t sure exactly how much money he was carrying, he couldn’t show that the money came from his business bank account, and the money smells of marijuana.



His lawyers narrative: excuse me judge… Can you tell me “exactly” how much money you have in your wallet? Question #2…for the DA… isn’t it true that most all cash has drug residue on it?

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Re: Civil forfeiture [Re: ntxtrapper] #8599210 05/17/22 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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What money doesn’t smell of weed? What law requires a person to know how much cash is on them? I’m violating that one, right now. Why does the money have to come from his business bank account?

How about this…. What crime did he commit, and what is the proof that he committed it?


I have a lot of cash in my gun safe and it doesn’t smell the least little bit like weed.


To you. To drug dogs, I bet it does.

Re: Civil forfeiture [Re: bigbob_ftw] #8599219 05/17/22 03:20 AM
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We had a NDDA certified dog in a unit I was in for 8 years. He didn’t alert on cash thousands of times.

Re: Civil forfeiture [Re: bigbob_ftw] #8599251 05/17/22 08:52 AM
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Well, I certainly trust my money to your dog. We’ll also forget about the 4th amendment.

Re: Civil forfeiture [Re: Sneaky] #8599252 05/17/22 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Sneaky
Well, I certainly trust my money to your dog. We’ll also forget about the 4th amendment.


It’s always determined to be reasonable by a magistrate or they order the money released to the respondent.

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Oh, so I can get it back? That’s convenient.

Re: Civil forfeiture [Re: bigbob_ftw] #8599256 05/17/22 09:45 AM
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Another reason the po po and system sucks donkey balls, your guilty until proven innocent these days… I cash checks large checks all the time and store the cash in various places and our POS system frowns upon cash of any amount these days. Now if I want to go to my bank and withdraw $25k of cash I have to place an order for it ahead of time like an Amazon order… Sad Sad times we live in,,,

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This looks like fun.


Re: Civil forfeiture [Re: Sneaky] #8599262 05/17/22 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sneaky
Oh, so I can get it back? That’s convenient.


Arrests work the same way. If no probable cause is determined then the person is released. Judges can’t ride around with every officer obviously. You’ve got 1 vote to use. If you want to use it to undo all asset forfeiture law just make sure you push the D button. Those are the politicians of money launderers, drug dealers and other people who won’t work for a living and are the same politicians who oppose asset forfeiture laws.

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Like many on here, I save money in cash. My cash, that I earned. As with many others it would take forever to provide the withdrawal information over the years where I pulled cash that wound up stashed away. I’m confident that I would get my money back, but damn frustrated that I would have to prove it was mine. I sure couldn’t do it beside the road on a traffic stop. I pay my taxes, vote my conscience, and don’t break the laws past class C misdemeanors. I may look like a mule but not a drug mule.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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Oh, so I can get it back? That’s convenient.


Arrests work the same way. If no probable cause is determined then the person is released. Judges can’t ride around with every officer obviously. You’ve got 1 vote to use. If you want to use it to undo all asset forfeiture law just make sure you push the D button. Those are the politicians of money launderers, drug dealers and other people who won’t work for a living and are the same politicians who oppose asset forfeiture laws.


9 times out of 10 I agree with you. You and this law are wrong on this one, this law should be abolished.


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Re: Civil forfeiture [Re: TEXASLEFTY] #8599286 05/17/22 11:27 AM
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Oh, so I can get it back? That’s convenient.


Arrests work the same way. If no probable cause is determined then the person is released. Judges can’t ride around with every officer obviously. You’ve got 1 vote to use. If you want to use it to undo all asset forfeiture law just make sure you push the D button. Those are the politicians of money launderers, drug dealers and other people who won’t work for a living and are the same politicians who oppose asset forfeiture laws.


9 times out of 10 I agree with you. You and this law are wrong on this one, this law should be abolished.


preach it! btw, I work and I oppose it.


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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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Well, I certainly trust my money to your dog. We’ll also forget about the 4th amendment.


"It’s always determined to be reasonable by a magistrate or they order the money released to the respondent."


It doesn't work that way and you eff'n know it. The money is "quickly" turned over to the feds. The victim has to fight forever (with limited financial resources) to try and get their money back.

Again...a law abiding person is guilty until they prove themselves innocent.

Pfhuck the po po, feds and the courts that pull this bullchit on honest, hard working, innocent people...all because they cannot control the eff'n criminals.

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That law is BS and needs to be abolished.

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Originally Posted by TXGUNNER308
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Well, I certainly trust my money to your dog. We’ll also forget about the 4th amendment.


"It’s always determined to be reasonable by a magistrate or they order the money released to the respondent."


It doesn't work that way and you eff'n know it. The money is "quickly" turned over to the feds. The victim has to fight forever (with limited financial resources) to try and get their money back.

Again...a law abiding person is guilty until they prove themselves innocent.

Pfhuck the po po, feds and the courts that pull this bullchit on honest, hard working, innocent people...all because they cannot control the eff'n criminals.


Spot on,,

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Well, I certainly trust my money to your dog. We’ll also forget about the 4th amendment.


"It’s always determined to be reasonable by a magistrate or they order the money released to the respondent."


It doesn't work that way and you eff'n know it. The money is "quickly" turned over to the feds. The victim has to fight forever (with limited financial resources) to try and get their money back.

Again...a law abiding person is guilty until they prove themselves innocent.

Pfhuck the po po, feds and the courts that pull this bullchit on honest, hard working, innocent people...all because they cannot control the eff'n criminals.


Spot on,,


This mess will most likely continue to happen. Eventually the popo is going to try to rob the wrong law abiding person. When they defend themselves against domestic terrorism it will come to a head.


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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
The county prosecutor’s narrative: We have no idea who owns this money, but we don’t think Johnson does. Our conclusion is based on three facts: He wasn’t sure exactly how much money he was carrying, he couldn’t show that the money came from his business bank account, and the money smells of marijuana.



The problem with this narrative is the words “we don’t think”…. Since when is a prosecutor’s decision based on what they think instead of what they can prove?

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The whole the money smelled like weed is bs

It doesn’t matter if that dog was certified w is USPCA, NNDA or NPCA

I’m tellin ya that whole deal is brainwashed crap

But it’s the man vs the machine

Some of y’all been brainwashed and it shows

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
We had a NDDA certified dog in a unit I was in for 8 years. He didn’t alert on cash thousands of times.


My dog who doesn’t know squat could get certified by NNDA, you have it wrong on the initials

Would you trust that cash pile to not get alerted on by a USPCA dog?

It could be all gone w an alert

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