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Arizona Game Cam Ban #8313031 07/05/21 07:54 PM
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...o-longer-allow-trail-cameras/5353679001/

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Arizona Game and Fish Department hopes new camera ban will ensure fair chase
Michael Donohue
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Zoe Fullem, community science manager for Sky Island Alliance, begins to remove a trail camera being used for the alliance's Border Wildlife study.
Arizonans have been placing trail cameras in hunting areas and watering holes for years, using the stored imagery to aid in their hunting activities.

Now, Arizonans will have one last season to enjoy their trail cameras.

On June 11, 2021, the Arizona Game and Fish Department Commission voted unanimously to ban trail cameras "for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife, or locating wildlife for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife,” according to the bill.

A trail camera is a device that is placed in an area for the purpose of capturing photos or video wildlife while a person is gone. The cameras are often triggered by motion and store pictures or videos to be viewed later.


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Unbelievable, wonder how many states will follow.


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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban [Re: dogcatcher] #8313059 07/05/21 08:25 PM
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Sounds ridiculous to me

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Not to me and especially since everybody is supposed to play by the same set of rules.

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Not to me and especially since everybody is supposed to play by the same set of rules.

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Public or private land?


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I like the idea of removing them from public land. I have seen photos of almost 100 cameras around one water trough/hole. I think the issue some are not understanding was the amount of foot/human traffic into and around the water when checking cameras(cell cams have limited this to a point when they have good signal) I could see that limiting animals from drinking water in a dry climate with the limited water available. Let them spend the camera money on adding water sources, then let them use the cams again.


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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban [Re: Stompy] #8313088 07/05/21 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Stompy
Unbelievable, wonder how many states will follow.


I found this based on a link from a friend in Arkansas. The other article did not state Arkansas would ban the cams, but it did not say that they wouldn't.


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I can see it on public land but please don’t try and tell me what I can do on my own property other than the harvest laws. Good luck trying to enforce that one with me rofl

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I've always found it weird that people leave cameras on public land.

But as far as private property goes, keep your nose out of my business.

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Put your tinfoil hats on and go with me……they don’t want any pics getting out showing illegals passing by.

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Originally Posted by Creekrunner
Public or private land?


I have looked at 3 different articles including interviews with the head of F&G. All they say is 'state wide' but the discussion sounds like public land because they are concerned (amongst other things) with 'hunter conflicts' over game cameras. Statewide implies public and private land. So, I can't figure it out.

The logic behind the ban is is that the state is in a serious drought, has a limited number of watersheds, the number of hunters in the field is going up, and so game doesn't have a fair chance because of cameras around water areas.


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Government overreach at it's finest!
Why don't they just ban tracks or game trails?

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Originally Posted by Jimbo
Government overreach at it's finest!
Why don't they just ban tracks or game trails?


Don't give them that idea, someone will run with it, just like that lady years ago crying about the deer crossing signs being at a dangerous intersection.


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I've never understood why so many hunters feel they need trail cams for a successful hunt..
Cell cams are really getting banned all over and regular trail cams will soon follow across the west due to over use.
Many state now restrict their use to before hunting season and then you must remove them.
I do support private property rights on their use.

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Originally Posted by Creekrunner
Public or private land?


From my understanding ONLY on Public, as private falls under the exemption uses. . In all reality, it was getting really really bad. Especially in limited water area. You would find 50 plus trail cams, at every water guzzler. Now image the human pressure on the game as everyone is checking cameras, on the one constant level water hole for 30 plus sections.

If I was the state, I’d set up a remote camera on the hole, and sale subscriptions that specifically fund new guzzlers and water hauling. Regardless it was getting pretty bad. This wasn't best case scenario but same out out come.


With that said they did leave the exemptions pretty wide open.


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Originally Posted by Wytex
I've never understood why so many hunters feel they need trail cams for a successful hunt..


Because they have found that they are more successful if they have them.


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Originally Posted by ErnestTBass
I've always found it weird that people leave cameras on public land.

But as far as private property goes, keep your nose out of my business.


That’s a nice sentiment, but states already regulate how and when you can take game animals on private property. This is just an extension of those same rules. I’m not saying I agree with the proposed law (I don’t), but I am saying there is a precedent for regulating hunter behavior on private property.

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Stupid.

Just because an animal shows up at this place, on this date, at this time, does not mean the animal is going to do exactly that every.single.day.

It is still fair chase even with cameras.

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Originally Posted by LeonCarr
Stupid.

Just because an animal shows up at this place, on this date, at this time, does not mean the animal is going to do exactly that every.single.day.

It is still fair chase even with cameras.

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How many days can you go without water? Deer have to go no matter the circumstances if it is the only water supply for miles. They can not live without water in that dry area. Does not mean you will see him there in the daylight but you know he lives within a mile or so radius of that water supply.


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If the state or the Federal Gov. owns the land they can make the rules. It is the same with privately owned land. The owners of the land make the rules. That is the way it should be.

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As others have said, the impetus for this ban was the number of cameras at water holes. People were checking those day and night. Water holes with dozens of cameras. Trails to water holes with dozens more. Banning cameras near water holes was considered but that would just move them back to the trails. Putting up a state camera was considered but that has some public relations issues, especially when antis start naming deer. Southern Arizona is an odd duck in that much of the habitat is sky islands, which means ranges are limited. The closest islands are tens of miles apart.

Right now I don't see other states doing this as the cameras are not as concentrated.

The view on cameras in western states is a little different than the rest of us. You can't glass a couple square miles in east Texas.


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Also, the ban is for using cameras in the act of taking game. That leaves a huge question mark...


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