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Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 07:54 PM
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...o-longer-allow-trail-cameras/5353679001/ Arizona Game and Fish Department hopes new camera ban will ensure fair chase Michael Donohue Arizona Republic
Zoe Fullem, community science manager for Sky Island Alliance, begins to remove a trail camera being used for the alliance's Border Wildlife study. Arizonans have been placing trail cameras in hunting areas and watering holes for years, using the stored imagery to aid in their hunting activities.
Now, Arizonans will have one last season to enjoy their trail cameras.
On June 11, 2021, the Arizona Game and Fish Department Commission voted unanimously to ban trail cameras "for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife, or locating wildlife for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife,” according to the bill.
A trail camera is a device that is placed in an area for the purpose of capturing photos or video wildlife while a person is gone. The cameras are often triggered by motion and store pictures or videos to be viewed later.
Combat Infantryman, the ultimate hunter where the prey shoots back. _____________"Illegitimus non carborundum est"_______________
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 08:01 PM
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Unbelievable, wonder how many states will follow.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 08:25 PM
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 08:30 PM
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Hudbone
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Not to me and especially since everybody is supposed to play by the same set of rules.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 08:31 PM
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Not to me and especially since everybody is supposed to play by the same set of rules.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 08:32 PM
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Do not forget to entertain strangers, For by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels Hebrews 13:2 (R-TX)
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 08:36 PM
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...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 08:42 PM
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stxranchman
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I like the idea of removing them from public land. I have seen photos of almost 100 cameras around one water trough/hole. I think the issue some are not understanding was the amount of foot/human traffic into and around the water when checking cameras(cell cams have limited this to a point when they have good signal) I could see that limiting animals from drinking water in a dry climate with the limited water available. Let them spend the camera money on adding water sources, then let them use the cams again.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 08:44 PM
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 09:07 PM
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Unbelievable, wonder how many states will follow. I found this based on a link from a friend in Arkansas. The other article did not state Arkansas would ban the cams, but it did not say that they wouldn't.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 09:17 PM
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I can see it on public land but please don’t try and tell me what I can do on my own property other than the harvest laws. Good luck trying to enforce that one with me
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/05/21 09:39 PM
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I've always found it weird that people leave cameras on public land.
But as far as private property goes, keep your nose out of my business.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/06/21 01:41 AM
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Put your tinfoil hats on and go with me……they don’t want any pics getting out showing illegals passing by.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/06/21 02:11 PM
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I have looked at 3 different articles including interviews with the head of F&G. All they say is 'state wide' but the discussion sounds like public land because they are concerned (amongst other things) with 'hunter conflicts' over game cameras. Statewide implies public and private land. So, I can't figure it out. The logic behind the ban is is that the state is in a serious drought, has a limited number of watersheds, the number of hunters in the field is going up, and so game doesn't have a fair chance because of cameras around water areas.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/06/21 02:23 PM
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Government overreach at it's finest! Why don't they just ban tracks or game trails?
Thursday at 12:45 PM #33 Once i learned that i didn't "NEED" to kill something, and that if i did kill something all the fun stopped and work began, i was a much better hunter.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/06/21 02:29 PM
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Government overreach at it's finest! Why don't they just ban tracks or game trails? Don't give them that idea, someone will run with it, just like that lady years ago crying about the deer crossing signs being at a dangerous intersection.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/06/21 02:40 PM
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I've never understood why so many hunters feel they need trail cams for a successful hunt.. Cell cams are really getting banned all over and regular trail cams will soon follow across the west due to over use. Many state now restrict their use to before hunting season and then you must remove them. I do support private property rights on their use.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/06/21 02:42 PM
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From my understanding ONLY on Public, as private falls under the exemption uses. . In all reality, it was getting really really bad. Especially in limited water area. You would find 50 plus trail cams, at every water guzzler. Now image the human pressure on the game as everyone is checking cameras, on the one constant level water hole for 30 plus sections. If I was the state, I’d set up a remote camera on the hole, and sale subscriptions that specifically fund new guzzlers and water hauling. Regardless it was getting pretty bad. This wasn't best case scenario but same out out come. With that said they did leave the exemptions pretty wide open.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/06/21 08:53 PM
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I've never understood why so many hunters feel they need trail cams for a successful hunt.. Because they have found that they are more successful if they have them.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/06/21 09:31 PM
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I've always found it weird that people leave cameras on public land.
But as far as private property goes, keep your nose out of my business. That’s a nice sentiment, but states already regulate how and when you can take game animals on private property. This is just an extension of those same rules. I’m not saying I agree with the proposed law (I don’t), but I am saying there is a precedent for regulating hunter behavior on private property.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/06/21 09:57 PM
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Stupid.
Just because an animal shows up at this place, on this date, at this time, does not mean the animal is going to do exactly that every.single.day.
It is still fair chase even with cameras.
Just my .02, LeonCarr
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/06/21 10:01 PM
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Stupid.
Just because an animal shows up at this place, on this date, at this time, does not mean the animal is going to do exactly that every.single.day.
It is still fair chase even with cameras.
Just my .02, LeonCarr How many days can you go without water? Deer have to go no matter the circumstances if it is the only water supply for miles. They can not live without water in that dry area. Does not mean you will see him there in the daylight but you know he lives within a mile or so radius of that water supply.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/06/21 10:14 PM
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If the state or the Federal Gov. owns the land they can make the rules. It is the same with privately owned land. The owners of the land make the rules. That is the way it should be.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/07/21 12:54 AM
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As others have said, the impetus for this ban was the number of cameras at water holes. People were checking those day and night. Water holes with dozens of cameras. Trails to water holes with dozens more. Banning cameras near water holes was considered but that would just move them back to the trails. Putting up a state camera was considered but that has some public relations issues, especially when antis start naming deer. Southern Arizona is an odd duck in that much of the habitat is sky islands, which means ranges are limited. The closest islands are tens of miles apart.
Right now I don't see other states doing this as the cameras are not as concentrated.
The view on cameras in western states is a little different than the rest of us. You can't glass a couple square miles in east Texas.
No matter how high a duck flies a hammer still breaks a window.
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Re: Arizona Game Cam Ban
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07/07/21 12:57 AM
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Also, the ban is for using cameras in the act of taking game. That leaves a huge question mark...
No matter how high a duck flies a hammer still breaks a window.
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