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Re: Timber rattler
[Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS]
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10/08/20 06:02 PM
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jeffbird
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Not if he killed it to protect himself which it sounds pretty much like he did! Good luck convincing a judge and jury of that. How hard is it to just move away? Pretty expensive having to hire lawyers and go to a trial with that argument.
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/08/20 06:12 PM
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Not if he killed it to protect himself which it sounds pretty much like he did! Good luck convincing a judge and jury of that. How hard is it to just move away? Pretty expensive having to hire lawyers and go to a trial with that argument. Sure, I could move away and next time my nephews 4 year old is playing by the gate, or my son , nephew, BIL, sister , dad or I open the gate get nailed.....if it was away from normal foot traffic area I would and have let them and others live. But not at my main gate! Not worried about needing defense or lawyers.....
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Re: Timber rattler
[Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS]
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10/08/20 06:32 PM
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colt45-90
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Here's a post I made a few years ago. I currently don't have any captive snakes but still catch and release a few now and again....
I mostly deal only with native Texas stuff...luv em! Right now I have 4 diamondback rattlesnakes, two grey-banded kings, a bull snake, and a california king. These are my pet collection but I catch and release all the time - venomous and non-venomous. Last week I caught a banded watersnake and a rough green snake (grass snake) on an oil well we were working on. I move them to keep rig hands from killing them. I will release them to a non-populated area this weekend.
Well, to each his/her own and I do respect your opinion but just don't agree with letting rattlesnakes go! I sincerely hope that neither you or anyone else is ever bitten by one that you handled or released..... or a dog for that matter. all creatures have a place, not saying to let stay around possibly hurt some one
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/08/20 06:33 PM
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colt45-90
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Not if he killed it to protect himself which it sounds pretty much like he did! Good luck convincing a judge and jury of that. How hard is it to just move away? Pretty expensive having to hire lawyers and go to a trial with that argument.
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: Timber rattler
[Re: Mako My Day]
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10/08/20 06:44 PM
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Only Timber I have encountered was on a mid summer backpacking trip in the Gila several years ago. It was a juvenile and it was coiled up right in the middle of the trail. Fortunately I try to keep my eyes on the ground most of the time when hiking/backpacking/hunting when warm out. We let it be....but all it takes is one careless mis-step and in the middle of the Gila 20+ miles in, it would/could have been a different outcome. They are indeed a beautiful snake, more so than the diamondback IMO.
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Re: Timber rattler
[Re: Mako My Day]
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10/08/20 06:45 PM
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You're entitled to a trial by your peers, and I bet in Texas there's at least one judge and 12 people who hate them too!!
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/08/20 07:03 PM
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[quote=ILUVBIGBUCKS]
I can’t understand killing something that isn’t being a threat to you and is beneficial to the habitat. Agree 100%, all snakes I encounter get a pass on my ranch.
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/08/20 07:23 PM
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Sniper John
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And here is the federal status. The TPWD page linked is out of date on the State's status and wrong on it being protected in all states. There are some States in addition to Texas where it is not protected. https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/64318/12765920Other than killing them when there is a need or threat, I do believe in letting them be if they are not causing any harm. Just wanted to let y'all know about the status change.
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/08/20 07:31 PM
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jeffbird
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And here is the federal status. The TPWD page linked is out of date on the State's status and wrong on it being protected in all states. There are some States in addition to Texas where it is not protected. https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/64318/12765920Other than killing them when there is a need or threat, I do believe in letting them be if they are not causing any harm. Just wanted to let y'all know about the status change. The IUCN Red List is not the USFWS list. Here is the USFWS database. https://ecos.fws.gov/ecp/species/7969
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/08/20 07:56 PM
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SnakeWrangler
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[quote=ILUVBIGBUCKS]
I can’t understand killing something that isn’t being a threat to you and is beneficial to the habitat. Agree 100%, all snakes I encounter get a pass on my ranch. Bees/wasps and dogs harm/kill more people every year....same with lightening...
I believe in science and I’m an insufferable [censored] Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/08/20 08:00 PM
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Only Timber I have encountered was on a mid summer backpacking trip in the Gila several years ago. It was a juvenile and it was coiled up right in the middle of the trail. Fortunately I try to keep my eyes on the ground most of the time when hiking/backpacking/hunting when warm out. We let it be....but all it takes is one careless mis-step and in the middle of the Gila 20+ miles in, it would/could have been a different outcome. They are indeed a beautiful snake, more so than the diamondback IMO. I’ve encountered dozens of them over the years and they are one of the most passive species I’ve delt with venomous or non venomous. Can’t speak to the behavior of the individual at the front gate but ALL I’ve met up with either stayed perfectly still or tried to move away from me. Jes my experience
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I believe in science and I’m an insufferable [censored] Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
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Re: Timber rattler
[Re: jeffbird]
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10/08/20 09:43 PM
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Sniper John
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And here is the federal status. The TPWD page linked is out of date on the State's status and wrong on it being protected in all states. There are some States in addition to Texas where it is not protected. https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/64318/12765920Other than killing them when there is a need or threat, I do believe in letting them be if they are not causing any harm. Just wanted to let y'all know about the status change. The IUCN Red List is not the USFWS list. Here is the USFWS database. https://ecos.fws.gov/ecp/species/7969Correct. On the USFWS list it is simply not listed "Listing Status: Not Listed".
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Re: Timber rattler
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
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10/08/20 10:02 PM
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Sniper John
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Only Timber I have encountered was on a mid summer backpacking trip in the Gila several years ago. It was a juvenile and it was coiled up right in the middle of the trail. Fortunately I try to keep my eyes on the ground most of the time when hiking/backpacking/hunting when warm out. We let it be....but all it takes is one careless mis-step and in the middle of the Gila 20+ miles in, it would/could have been a different outcome. They are indeed a beautiful snake, more so than the diamondback IMO. I’ve encountered dozens of them over the years and they are one of the most passive species I’ve delt with venomous or non venomous. Can’t speak to the behavior of the individual at the front gate but ALL I’ve met up with either stayed perfectly still or tried to move away from me. Jes my experience Several years ago I used to catch timber rattlers in Oklahoma to bring into Texas after obtaining state export permits so I could sell them here. I would agree they are not as aggressive as most except copperheads. One of my Walker hounds was bitten by Timber Rattler in Oklahoma, but it was not because the snake was agressive. My hound simply trampled over it when her and three other hounds had just struck a trail near me. Fortunately only the one hound got hit. She was in so much pain I had to wrap my coat around her head to keep her from biting me and carried her out. She survived it, but it was a rough night.
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Re: Timber rattler
[Re: Mako My Day]
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10/09/20 12:05 AM
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skinnerback
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They are beautiful snakes. I killed a big one hunting in Victoria a long time ago, guy I was hunting with wanted to make a belt out of it so I shot it.
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/09/20 12:56 AM
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Sniper John
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They are beautiful snakes. I killed a big one hunting in Victoria a long time ago, guy I was hunting with wanted to make a belt out of it so I shot it. I got a really big one once that was so beautiful that I decided I wanted to keep it instead of selling it. I skinned it and bought some snake tan to tan it myself. I glued the skin to some construction paper to give it some rigidity. Color choice did not matter as it would not be seen, but it was Red construction paper that we had on hand leftover from a school project my son did. I then trimmed the paper to the edges so you could not see it. Then glued the whole thing to a larger strip of black felt for display. tacked on the wall it was beautiful. For about a month that is. It was like every day the skin got redder and redder. Within a month so much die had bled through from the paper that the whole skin had turned a dark plumb red that hid most of the pattern on the snake. It looked ugly and unnatural. The skin had to be thrown away. What was I thinking!
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/09/20 01:00 AM
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skinnerback
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They are beautiful snakes. I killed a big one hunting in Victoria a long time ago, guy I was hunting with wanted to make a belt out of it so I shot it. I got a really big one once that was so beautiful that I decided I wanted to keep it instead of selling it. I skinned it and bought some snake tan to tan it myself. I glued the skin to some construction paper to give it some rigidity. Color choice did not matter as it would not be seen, but it was Red construction paper that we had on hand leftover from a school project my son did. I then trimmed the paper to the edges so you could not see it. Then glued the whole thing to a larger strip of black felt for display. tacked on the wall it was beautiful. For about a month that is. It was like every day the skin got redder and redder. Within a month so much die had bled through from the paper that the whole skin had turned a dark plumb red that hid most of the pattern on the snake. It looked ugly and unnatural. The skin had to be thrown away. What was I thinking! Aw man! Learning experience for sure!
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Re: Timber rattler
[Re: Mako My Day]
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10/09/20 11:52 AM
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Mako My Day
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Thanks for the update on the threatened list, if I find another one dead, it’s coming home with me
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/09/20 11:54 AM
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Mako My Day
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Here's a post I made a few years ago. I currently don't have any captive snakes but still catch and release a few now and again.... I mostly deal only with native Texas stuff...luv em! Right now I have 4 diamondback rattlesnakes, two grey-banded kings, a bull snake, and a california king. These are my pet collection but I catch and release all the time - venomous and non-venomous. Last week I caught a banded watersnake and a rough green snake (grass snake) on an oil well we were working on. I move them to keep rig hands from killing them. I will release them to a non-populated area this weekend. My new home for the rattlesnakes... One of my babies... Another baby! Nice timber I removed from the road a few years ago... Close-up of the end to avoid! They are beautiful snakes, but I would not pick up a live one for any amount of money...
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/09/20 02:30 PM
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SnakeWrangler
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Only Timber I have encountered was on a mid summer backpacking trip in the Gila several years ago. It was a juvenile and it was coiled up right in the middle of the trail. Fortunately I try to keep my eyes on the ground most of the time when hiking/backpacking/hunting when warm out. We let it be....but all it takes is one careless mis-step and in the middle of the Gila 20+ miles in, it would/could have been a different outcome. They are indeed a beautiful snake, more so than the diamondback IMO. Timbers and Blacktails are my favorite Texas rattlesnakes....absolutely beautiful and very passive in behavior. Westerns are very aggressive and are responsible for most bites.
I believe in science and I’m an insufferable [censored] Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/09/20 04:39 PM
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ILUVBIGBUCKS
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Agree 100%, all snakes I encounter get a pass on my ranch.
It's your ranch and I respect your decision on that. I also pray that you or nobody else takes a bite from one.
High fence, low fence, no fence, it really doesn't matter as long as you're hunting!
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/09/20 05:25 PM
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ILUVBIGBUCKS
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Bees/wasps and dogs harm/kill more people every year....same with lightening...
No doubt on the bees and wasps. But, a bee/wasp sting is pretty damn minor unless your are allergic to them. So, that comparison seems a bit silly to me. I've been stung 3 times by bumble bees which make a normal bee or wasp sting seem like a mosquito. In the US there are between 7k-8k rattlesnake bites each year. There are between 200-250 people each year in the US struck by lightning. About 45-50 people a year in the US are killed by lighting and about 5 die from being bitten. So, while I agree that bees and wasps do harm many more people than rattlesnakes, that 'harm' is typically NOWHERE near the level of a rattlesnake. I agree that Lightning certainly kills many more people than snakebite in the US, you are about 35x-40x more likely to be bitten by a rattlesnake than hit by lighting.
High fence, low fence, no fence, it really doesn't matter as long as you're hunting!
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Re: Timber rattler
[Re: Mako My Day]
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10/09/20 06:12 PM
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Just for clarification, is it legal to kill a timber rattlesnake in Texas?
No making a value judgement on whether it's a good idea to kill one, but I have always thought and been told it was illegal. After reading this thread, I am not sure.
Thanks Ron
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Re: Timber rattler
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10/09/20 06:21 PM
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