SA, I am not saying the knee to the neck caused a stoppage of oxygen, just a diminished supply of oxygen to the heart. That was enough to trigger the heart attack. Even if he was tripping on drugs, there is no guarantee he would have died from that alone, but couple some pre-existing cardiac disease, the knee on the neck decreasing his oxygen levels in an agitated state, and anything else, and that means he has an increased risk of dying from a heart attack. Which he did. It is my opinion you would be very hard pressed to find a doctor that says the knee on the neck wasn’t at least partially causative of the heart attack, unless there is tell tale proof he was having chest pain or other symptoms of a heart attack prior, but then you are getting into a failure to render aid and all that. I am not convicting anyone of anything just yet, but just saying the knee on the neck was a very likely cause of Floyd’s death.

Yep, time will tell, if we ever see the real story on this one. Unfortunately it is such an incendiary I fear we won’t see the true story until it’s too late...may already be at that point

Pretty sure those words speak for theirselves. I’ve got better things to do than teach you a language you should already know.

You are saying that, the knee caused the lack of oxygen and the lack of oxygen caused his heart attack..... I'm saying let's wait for the details to come out. I suspect they might of called for paramedics before he went unconscious. Maybe before he was on the ground........ waiting for the facts. The narrative that he suffocated because the knee to the back of the neck is sunk.

I think he mans lack of oxygen in the blood, not lack of oxygen to his lungs. Those are two very different things, and I’ve seen it said that kneeling on someone’s neck may not stop their breathing, like choking someone, but it may restrict an artery from delivering enough oxygen in the blood to the heart.

Yep, time will tell, if we ever see the real story on this one. Unfortunately it is such an incendiary I fear we won’t see the true story until it’s too late...may already be at that point

I think yall are splitting hairs on the cause of death at this time. If the judge had sent us to deliberate then yes. If yall enjoy discussing then i guess ill keep trying to learn from yall--seems like we should have better things to do, but here i am, so theres that....
Now, if there was anything exciting in the Deer Hunting section i would be outa here.

I think yall are splitting hairs on the cause of death at this time. If the judge had sent us to deliberate then yes. If yall enjoy discussing then i guess ill keep trying to learn from yall--seems like we should have better things to do, but here i am, so theres that....
Now, if there was anything exciting in the Deer Hunting section i would be outa here.

Some like to talk, debate, and discuss things.... Some don't. Only problem is that some take things to heart.

Like the victim

SA, considering how little I know about you I like you. I definitely like TxBuck. I figure yall were on debate teams in HS and i would pay to watch. My money would be on TB. I may throw Hud in there too but im not sure the debate judges give extra credit for his 3 word gems. Alls good gents, just consider me halftime entertainment, carry on.

That’s really my point. Kneeling on ones neck doesn’t always kill someone, probably pretty rarely (don’t know that it has ever been studied (yes that’s a joke in case anyone is wondering)) but in this situation he died. We have an initial cause of death as heart attack, I haven’t seen the ME report to know more about the cause of death. But anyone with some medical knowledge would have to agree that kneeling on his neck for 7 minutes had at least some partial cause in the heart attack. And that’s all that matters, in this case. The victim/perp died, while cops did something that almost certainly had some play in that cause.

The argument could/will be made “so doctor, in your opinion, had mr Floyd’s neck not been impinged for 7 minutes and his oxygen levels in his blood not been reduced from normal levels, would he have had as high a chance for having a heart attack?”

The answer to that question is a resounding “No”

In a trial, that is all the evidence needed. And then the jury gets to hear about the lack of aid rendered for an additional three minutes when he passed out....”had the officers administered their AED in a timely manner is it possible Mr Floyd would still be alive?”

The answer to that is not “no”

Again, guilty and guilty. When this goes to trial, the cop(s) will be found guilty of some sort of crime, not sure the type, but they were for sure negligent on their watch in several regards, one (cop) more so than the others.

It was obviously a Covid 19 death.

Still with the square peg in the round hole. It doesn't fit....

Some like to talk, debate, and discuss things.... Some don't. Only problem is that some take things to heart.

That’s really my point. Kneeling on ones neck doesn’t always kill someone, probably pretty rarely (don’t know that it has ever been studied (yes that’s a joke in case anyone is wondering)) but in this situation he died. We have an initial cause of death as heart attack, I haven’t seen the ME report to know more about the cause of death. But anyone with some medical knowledge would have to agree that kneeling on his neck for 7 minutes had at least some partial cause in the heart attack. And that’s all that matters, in this case. The victim/perp died, while cops did something that almost certainly had some play in that cause.

The argument could/will be made “so doctor, in your opinion, had mr Floyd’s neck not been impinged for 7 minutes and his oxygen levels in his blood not been reduced from normal levels, would he have had as high a chance for having a heart attack?”

The answer to that question is a resounding “No”

In a trial, that is all the evidence needed. And then the jury gets to hear about the lack of aid rendered for an additional three minutes when he passed out....”had the officers administered their AED in a timely manner is it possible Mr Floyd would still be alive?”

The answer to that is not “no”

Again, guilty and guilty. When this goes to trial, the cop(s) will be found guilty of some sort of crime, not sure the type, but they were for sure negligent on their watch in several regards, one (cop) more so than the others.

I know I'm just a truck driver, but I did spend 4 years in radiology before I made the move. I've seen plenty of C.T.s, MRIs, Angiograms, and central line placement. I'm have a good idea of where the carotid/jugular are relative to the C-spine. If I were the defense I would spare no expense on a forensic scientist. My argument would be that with the Floyd being prone and facing away from the officer, Floyd's trapezius muscle, and the angle of the officer's leg would of prevented the knee from restricting blood flow from the carotid. Now if Floyd was facing the officer I would 100% agree that the officer's knee would of definitely restricted blood flow. The knee would of pinned the carotid against the c-spine.

I would want to know if he was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death. If so, what drug? What effects does the drug have on the body? What effects would a struggle have on top of that? Would a elevated Blood Pressure/ adrenaline cause a heart attack? Would also want to know when and why were the paramedics called. I suspect they were called before he died. This might indicate a possible heart attack before the knee.

I don't know what kind of heart failure was involved, but I would want to know what if any first aid would of/could of saved him. Did the officer have anything on hand that could of saved him, like blood thinners, defibrillator ect ect.

With all that being said, my final question to the doctor/ expert would be can you say 100% that the knee is what lead to the heart failing. Is the knee what killed him?