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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 08:02 AM
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Dan, I agree with the statement that you need to practice to be presistant. I took my eight year old nephew hunting last year because he was begging me everyday that I saw him to take him. Him not having a father makes it very difficult to do the outdoors thing, its almost non- existant. I asked him, "have you ever shot a gun w/ a scope on it"? His answer, no uncle ace, all I have shot is a b-b gun but it didnt have a scope. I told him that he could spend the night w/ me and we would go over some things before I took him hunting.. I got him home, pulled out one of my old b-b guns (w/ a scope) and told him to hit a black circle that I had colored inn on a box. I set the box 30 yards outside of my garage and told him to shoot at it three times. We both went out and looked at where he had shot and you would almost be certain there was only one hole, except that one hole was about the size of a dime!!! Now w/ all that said, I told him that he would do just fine in the morning. I took him out that next morning and he nailed a spike on the first shot. With a 243 and dang near w/ perfect shot placement at 150 yards. Now your telling me that all this hype is really needed? My nephew would love to go out and hunt AND SHOOT more but its damn near impossible. So I guess you could call "That Kid" a four shot wonder!! Me, Im no better, im usually a three shot wonder!!! No sweat off my back, we have a good time!!
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 08:05 AM
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"I absolutely despise "four-shot wonders" and consider them a disgrace to the sport"
Yep i know thats a ridiculously stupid comment...
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 04:25 PM
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Dan, I agree with the statement that you need to practice to be presistant. I took my eight year old nephew hunting last year because he was begging me everyday that I saw him to take him. Him not having a father makes it very difficult to do the outdoors thing, its almost non- existant. I asked him, "have you ever shot a gun w/ a scope on it"? His answer, no uncle ace, all I have shot is a b-b gun but it didnt have a scope. I told him that he could spend the night w/ me and we would go over some things before I took him hunting.. I got him home, pulled out one of my old b-b guns (w/ a scope) and told him to hit a black circle that I had colored inn on a box. I set the box 30 yards outside of my garage and told him to shoot at it three times. We both went out and looked at where he had shot and you would almost be certain there was only one hole, except that one hole was about the size of a dime!!! Now w/ all that said, I told him that he would do just fine in the morning. I took him out that next morning and he nailed a spike on the first shot. With a 243 and dang near w/ perfect shot placement at 150 yards. Now your telling me that all this hype is really needed? My nephew would love to go out and hunt AND SHOOT more but its damn near impossible. So I guess you could call "That Kid" a four shot wonder!! Me, Im no better, im usually a three shot wonder!!! No sweat off my back, we have a good time!!
A good story that IMO, helps my point.
I'll easily agree that today's guns are so reliable, that practically anyone CAN go out and harvest a deer with little if any practice. I honestly believe that I could take my wife, who has never fired a scoped rifle in her life, and with no practice at all, put her in a box stand, and see that happen. However, as ANYONE who has ever missed a deer knows, you don't always get such an easy and comfortable setup to make that one shot that will be all you'll get. Being able to make a shot from a heated box stand at a deer that's standing comfortably at a feeder is one thing. But making a free-hand shot at one of the biggest bucks you've ever seen, standing 200 yards away and soon to bolt, while walking back to your truck, from a standing position when it's 28 degrees, and your butt is raw and muscles tense from all the sitting you've done that morning, is something entirely different.
"A dedication to proficiency" is the obvious reason why CONTINUED practice is considered a must for any other sport. And it seems you won't find any other sport, outside of this one, where there are those who believe ONGOING proficiency can be achieved without it.
Again, I apologize for such a strong choice of words. But it seems obvious now, that NO choice of words is enough to get many to push their ego aside, and spend the time and money to practice.
One or two shots made from a comfortable chair and solid rest, with plenty of time to make them, is all you need to check the accuracy of any rifle. But it takes many shots, taken quickly and away from the chair and rest, to check the accuracy of the person shooting it.
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 06:17 PM
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"One or two shots made from a comfortable chair and solid rest, with plenty of time to make them, is all you need to check the accuracy of any rifle. But it takes many shots, taken quickly and away from the chair and rest, to check the accuracy of the person shooting it. "
so why do u despise all these six shot wonders that dont need that kind of practice bcuz they are hunting out of a deer blind like the majority of texas hunters????????
and dont even say that it is not real hunting because it is, and it IS the best method as far as taking game goes, that can be proven. not really my fav. way, and i dont do it anymore, but it is hunting as long as TPWD allows it.
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 07:32 PM
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Some of you need to take a deep breath and not take my comments so personal.
I enjoy, and will often sit in a box stand when it's below freezing just as quickly as anyone else. And I prefer to use feeders to kill nuisance hogs. But that doesn't make me ignore the much greater challenge of trying to find any game animal, instead of just waiting for it to find my bait. Otherwise, I just might as well stop hunting altogether and spend all my time fishing.
But then, baiting wasn't the true issue here, was it.
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 08:07 PM
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You need to take one also and learn not to useing words like despise!!! Quit giving advise as to what people need and tend to your own needs! Most of the people on here know pretty much as much as you do, I know thats hard for you to believe!
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 08:30 PM
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Most of the people on here know pretty much as much as you do, I know thats hard for you to believe!
There's very little that I know that I didn't learn from someone else. And that includes knowing the importance of being willing to open my mind, ears and eyes and pay attention. Again, I felt the author of the F&S article had written a very good article, one worthy of sharing here.
It's also the reason why I'll be quick to say I don't know everything. But it's also a quick way to identify those who really believe they do.
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 10:43 PM
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this thread is highly entertaining.
The shot you mentioned on the 200 yard buck...biggest deer you have ever seen in your life... snap shot offhand...
First of all I would like to see you consistently make that shot...
Then watching you fail... I would question your responsibility in even attempting it when you could wait for a cleaner kill later...
I would have a pretty hard time shooting offhand at a trophy 200 yards away...
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 11:24 PM
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this thread is highly entertaining.
The shot you mentioned on the 200 yard buck...biggest deer you have ever seen in your life... snap shot offhand...
First of all I would like to see you consistently make that shot...
Then watching you fail... I would question your responsibility in even attempting it when you could wait for a cleaner kill later...
I would have a pretty hard time shooting offhand at a trophy 200 yards away...
Well, the best that I can offer are two, 150+ yard shots that I made successfully on a young buck and doe many years ago in Mississippi. I was hunting from a platform stand that my father-in-law and I had built between two trees at the edge of a clearcut. As I believe they are required to limit erosion, the foresters had left trees and understory along a small ditch that ran through the cutover in front of me. It left a natural funnel for deer to use when passing through the area. Don't ask me why the doe decided to hang around after the initial shot. Perhaps they might have been running together as siblings since birth.
I'm eager to hear the best shots, free-hand or not, that others have made, or have seen made, even if they consider them luck. Just note them as such when posting.
No question, there are some outstanding shooters out there.

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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 11:38 PM
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this thread is highly entertaining.
The shot you mentioned on the 200 yard buck...biggest deer you have ever seen in your life... snap shot offhand...
First of all I would like to see you consistently make that shot...
Then watching you fail... I would question your responsibility in even attempting it when you could wait for a cleaner kill later...
I would have a pretty hard time shooting offhand at a trophy 200 yards away...
once in a life time Buck...like my dad says, "why not throw 50 cents at it"
I think not trying is a crock of 
not that i want to defend dan's comments but the Idea of not taking a shot for fear of missing, or even wounding an animal is beyond me....guess I'm just cold hearted...plus if you shoot at the neck, its usually either hit vitals or miss vitals
the man at the top of the mountain didn't fall up it
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 11:38 PM
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I shoot 4 shots a year with my deer rifle. 1 the day before season to make sure its till on and 3 shots on 3 different deer. I have done this exact thing for about the last 10 yrs and have missed 0 in that time span. I guess you hate me too.
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 11:44 PM
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I'm eager to hear the best shots, free-hand or not, that others have made, or have seen made, even if they consider them luck. Just note them as such when posting. No question, there are some outstanding shooters out there.
Personally I have never shot a deer that was very far away, and I had a good rest on most all the deer I have killed. The best shot I ever saw made was when I was about 16. We were on a lease with an old man, who has since passed away. I picked him up from his stand after hunting one morning, and as we were leaving there was a group of deer a looooong way down a high line right of way that ran across the place. I don't know how far, but I would guess about 400 yards. He thought he could kill one, and I didn't think he could do it. He threw a bag of corn on the hood, rested his rifle on that, and shot. I was watching through my scope, and saw the deer he shot at stumble around and then run. It made it about 20 yards and crashed. He was shooting a 30/06.
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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06/30/09 11:55 PM
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When I was 8 or so, I watched my Dad drop a doe at around 100 yards. That may not sound like a shot involving great skill. But when you consider she was running at a full sprint with dogs on her tail and he dropped her straight to the ground with a spine shot as she jumped the barbed wire into the wood line and he was hunting with a 30-30 with open sights kinda changes things a little.
I never ever remember my Dad target shooting. Matter of fact, his rifle never came out from under the bed until opening day.
BTW I grew up on a farm in Arkansas, and we sometimes used the dogs for hunting.
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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07/01/09 12:16 AM
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When I was 8 or so, I watched my Dad drop a doe at around 100 yards. That may not sound like a shot involving great skill. But when you consider she was running at a full sprint with dogs on her tail and he dropped her straight to the ground with a spine shot as she jumped the barbed wire into the wood line and he was hunting with a 30-30 with open sights kinda changes things a little.
I never ever remember my Dad target shooting. Matter of fact, his rifle never came out from under the bed until opening day.
BTW I grew up on a farm in Arkansas, and we sometimes used the dogs for hunting.
No amount of practice will ever make me good enough to hit one on the run with a rifle. Shotgun? Maybe. But not a rifle. I just don't believe the Good Lord gave me such skill.
Thanks for sharing.
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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07/01/09 12:16 AM
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I shoot 4 shots a year with my deer rifle. 1 the day before season to make sure its till on and 3 shots on 3 different deer. I have done this exact thing for about the last 10 yrs and have missed 0 in that time span. I guess you hate me too.
x2 The day before season to make sure its on, its been on as long as I can remember. If its not I collect a hand full of rocks and hope they get close enough.
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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07/01/09 12:43 AM
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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of course, is there any other way?
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Re: An absolute "must read"
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07/01/09 02:16 AM
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When I was 8 or so, I watched my Dad drop a doe at around 100 yards. That may not sound like a shot involving great skill. But when you consider she was running at a full sprint with dogs on her tail and he dropped her straight to the ground with a spine shot as she jumped the barbed wire into the wood line and he was hunting with a 30-30 with open sights kinda changes things a little.
I never ever remember my Dad target shooting. Matter of fact, his rifle never came out from under the bed until opening day.
BTW I grew up on a farm in Arkansas, and we sometimes used the dogs for hunting.
No amount of practice will ever make me good enough to hit one on the run with a rifle. Shotgun? Maybe. But not a rifle. I just don't believe the Good Lord gave me such skill.
Thanks for sharing.
Believe me, I didn't inheret that gene. I wish I could shoot like he did when he was my age. I personally have never been a very good shot. I can get by, but I usually won't shoot at deer more than 200 yards or so away. Guess it's a good thing I do most of my hunting in the woods, and not much out in the open. 
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