A favorite topic of Buzz. Savage has a prairie hunter and Mossberg released several options in their MVP series.

Anyone use the Valkyrie on any platform? I know there were issues associated with barrel twist and length with 90 grain projectiles when first released. I think a bolt rifle with 1:7 twist and 20" length would correct many of the early issues with stability.

I know a fast twist 22-250 is a better build. I'm thinking more along the lines of a $700 factory rifle that is suppressor ready and has reasonably priced factory ammo available.

Chad did figure out, on a hand load, it will drive a 75 gr much faster than published data. And he did it in an AR.

Thanks Jason. You have anyone out at your range yet with a Valkyrie?

Not yet. If it's loaded with an 80 gr, it'll get to the end of the range. With a 75 gr, I'll have to watch and see.

Rattlesnake Dan has been running one.

If you’re thinking of chunking a 90 gr., why not stick with something easier, like a .243 or 6mm? I’m pushing an 87 gr. VLD 3200 FPS (thanks Chad) at a very accurate 1/2 MOA from a factory 700. Really looking forward to seeing what a Bartlein or other will do.

I'm running a 22" Valkrie AR-15 with 75 grain ELDM at 3050 fps suppressed. It shoots good from the limited testing I have done so far. Some hunting buddies of mine, we all built identical rifles. They wanted to play with the 88 ELDM and 90+ grain bullets. But I have a little Ricky Bobby in me for the rifle, so I've stuck with the 75 grainers at 3000+ fps. I/we killed a pig this weekend with it.

I would LOVE to make a bolt gun in this caliber. With a 22" bolt gun, you will pick up another 100 fps over the AR velocities. If you went with an 18" barrel, you could run the 75 grain ELDM at 3050+ fps easily. If you worked on the magazine for extra length, you could run the bullet out further and gain even more speed and help on accuracy. Anyone in for a group buy on building some Valkrie bolt guns?

Look at the Bergara .22-250, its twisted for heavier bullets, I think the Tikka is too


OR


wait a few months and buy my .22 Creedmoor

Bergara have some faster twists, like 1:9" and 1:10", but not fast enough for the heavies.

I would be interested. I've just about convinced myself I need one.

You changed. They brainwashed you.

This would be perfect for my 8 yr old, when he's ready. I could shoot it until then.

Why wouldn’t you just build a .22-250 or .22 Creed?

I'm leaning towards waiting for the Mossberg MVP Predator to be available. It will likely be under $600, threaded, laminate stock and take AR mags I already have with my 6.8.

I'm just looking for something inexpensive and off the shelf (ammo and rifle).

.224 Valkrie is SO yesterday

but with a budget that Mossberge should serve well as a vermint killer


scope? Tasco, Simmons, Vortex Diamondback???? but seriously, Natchez is about giving away scopes. I almost bought the 30mm Weaver they have at half price.

I'm just glad you're back in the "buying" mode !!!!!

Tasco.... really Buzz!

I was thinking Barska.

If you are not going to Centerpoint, don't bother

Waste of time/money in a bolt gun imo. If you end up not liking it you're stuck with a bolt face that's not very usable for much else.

I could also be in selling mode if you want a deal. I'm thinking about shaving my collection down to get rid of my 6.5x55s, 350 Rem mag and and 7-08. I have too much overlap.

post them up, summer is selling time, pre hunting season

Chad empty your mail box

This hurts my heart.

Don't be heart hurt. It's still in my safe. I talk a lot about selling but I'm usually just adding.

will that bolt face work the 22-250? I thought they were closer the same size, 22-250 .38, 224 .33, so I guess I answered my own ?, have been thinking of doing a bolt 224 for my nephew.

I talked to Chad about this last week. We have a bolt face issue. It is larger than a .223 Rem, it is not the same as a 6.8 SPC, it is not the same as a 6.5 Grendel. Doesn't matter, those bolt faces do not exist in a bolt action. Basically a .223 face would have to be milled to a larger face to accept the .224V, and I suspect we run into an extractor problem. So, as far as I'm concerned (and I gathered Chad too) the project is dead.

An old .223 can sure enough make some speed, and brass is damn near free. .22-250 is still an option, a wildcat 22X47 L, .22 Creedmoor, and the old man, 220 Swift are all still very do-able if you want a hot rod .22 cal bolt action.

One more option, for someone feeling froggy, buy a CZ 6.5 Grendel, and have a .224 barrel fit to the action. Then you get to neck down 6.5 Grendel brass to .224, 22 Grendel is what you get.

I have a Savage (22-250) that I special ordered, 1-9 twist, fluted med heavy barrel, the stock has the reinforced (can't remember what you call it) aluminum in it, so its stable, I just put base & burris signature rings on, my situation is not getting any better, so this one needs home, upside down again

Well, I have spoken to several gun smith's about this 224 V build. The 224 V case is almost the same bolt face size as the PPC case is, and is often used for the same action size. The reason the Rem 700 and Tikka rifles won't work well is due to the type of extractor they use with this size of the bolt face. They do not have the right size to reliably extract the 224 V and have known issues with extraction. The action that most shooters build the PPC on (in this case the 224 Valkrie) is the Big Horn action on the TL3 or the SL3 action. They use the AI mags and install an AI spacer kit for the AI Mags. You can also use the Big Horn Origin action, and it's a standard copy of the Rem 700 (like a Stiller) with the interchangeable bolt head. Both Big Horn Actions have the interchangeable bolt head to allow the proper bolt head size for the 224 Valkrie for proper feeding and extraction. That's the easiest way to go for a 224 Valkrie build. I could price it out, but it would be a custom build.

If you have to go that far, you might as well chamber it in something better, and use a common bolt face.

I have a Ruger 77 in 6.8 SPC so that would be an easy conversion if I wanted to do it.

Yes, I had to look it up. Case head diameter for 6.8 SPC as well as .224 Valkyrie is .422"

Magazine length on your rifle is what?

It is 308 win length but it has a spacer. I think I measured it a 2.4".

Yes, the 224 Valkrie is based on the 6.8 SPC case, just modified.

I can get this rifle now. Mossberg 28025 MVP Precision Bolt 224 Valkyrie 20" 10+1 Black 6-Position Adjustable Luth-AR MBA-3 w/Aluminum Chassis Stock Blued Aluminum Receiver

1:7" and threaded 1/2"x28.

Mossberg has 2 other models coming out in Valkyrie but I do like the one you posted.

I've been watching all the 224 V bolt guns, and this is the only one that's been in stock for a while now. I don't know anything about the Mossberg bolt guns. I really don't want all the fancy AR style stock and forend, though. I may call Mossberg on the other one's. What I really want is this one:

I like this one too. Says the Valkyrie models are threaded.

Yes. Either of those 2 models I'd take. The other AR style one, I'm really not sold on that one. And it's available now.

I wouldn't hate having a 224v for my son (8). It is worth is to get one of those mossbergs or should I just get it in AR? How much is the mossberg?

I think the Predator will likely be about $500.

[quote=scottfromdallas]I like this one too. Says the Valkyrie models are threaded.



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just go buy a fast twist .22-250

much cheaper than starting over and killing a perfectly good 7mm-08

Since I started this thread, I bought a Valkyrie upper. Plan to take it to the range with Fusion and Hornady factory ammo this weekend. I still think a 224 Valkyrie bolt action is a good idea.

It is a good idea, but you have a bolt face size problem.

Around this bolt face size problem we go right back to really nothing new, for a short action, super efficient case, the .223 Ackley Improved. You have to fire form, or hydro form to get there. And once you do, it will actually do more, with less powder than the .224 Valkyrie. Also, while forming brass it shoots extremely tight. I could probably concur the world with it.

I don't disagree for a build. I'm just talking about factory rifle offerings.

A straight. 223 will drive an 80 gr at +/- 2900 fps depending on barrel length.

Good enough for me.

Jason, what twist?

Valkyrie hater.

1:7.7

No man. It is a good cartridge, you know I am happy to try out something new. If the bolt face would fit more bolt actions, I'd be all about it. However, .223 brass is dang near free, and is free for me (range pick-up) so there's that.

Loaded a good bit of ammo for the wildcat version of the Valkyrie and the high energy powders from Vihtavuori such as n530 and N540 will do really well with the heavies and lighter bullets for that matter.
Accuracy wise XBR8208 seemed to always shoot great across 4 different rifles I shot. These were 6.8 SPC necked down with improved 30 degree shoulders.

IMR-8208 needs to be treated like Fight Club. And what is the first rule of fight club?

Never hear of IMR-8208. Sounds fake.