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Re: Precision AR [Re: BigPig] #7453266 03/08/19 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BigPig
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Just installed a Larue MBT trigger on my new AR and it is sweet. Its a very smooth two stage and was only $100 shipped. Should be great for a little more accuracy.


I hear good things about that trigger, but I’m going to stick with a single stage


You need to shoot my LR-308 with a Tinmey, that damn BigFitz talked me into.

Smooth, crisp, short reset.


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I will add one more Trigger to the mix. TriggerTech AR trigger is one of the best Ihave tried.


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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
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Just installed a Larue MBT trigger on my new AR and it is sweet. Its a very smooth two stage and was only $100 shipped. Should be great for a little more accuracy.


I hear good things about that trigger, but I’m going to stick with a single stage


You need to shoot my LR-308 with a Tinmey, that damn BigFitz talked me into.

Smooth, crisp, short reset.


I like my 3lb Tinmey that the Grendel AR has Like you say crisp smooth and very short reset


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Lap the upper and take a look at AR Gold trigger


AR gold triggers are amazing. Had a really hard time deciding between one of those and the Geissele DMR with my 6.5 Creed. Ended up with the Geissele.


I have 4 ARs that have AR Golds in them!

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Originally Posted by BigPig
I’m going to eat some crow here. I was talking to somebody at the match about why anybody would want a 6.5Creedmoor in an AR platform and how much I hate an AR for any kind of precision work.

Well thanks to a derilict friend, I’m swapping a 308 barrel for a 6.5 barrel. So now I’ve been bit by the big and want to see what I can make this rifle do. It’s a 1:8 twist 20 inch barrel with rifle length gas tube. It will run a suppressor and I already have an adjustable gas block. Hoping to run the 143ELD-X.

So what needs to be down to make this an accurate, as accurate as I can shoot, gas gun?

Also, I heard Garvey say at the range that the last round usually goes high, I assume this has to do with the bolt staying back upon an empty mag, could this be prevented by running a snap cap as the last round?


The biggest factor is finding a load that works. This is going to be tedious unless you strike gold off the bat. I have two AR308's I assembled myself, and don't mind sharing some of what I used. One shoots .1 moa while the other is .4 moa (still testing loads).

I used LaRue triggers (no idea why you're opposed), and the LaRue Apeg grip. My hand sits perfect on the weapon with those two. I also have the Hogue A2 length stock because it's nice and sturdy. A good scope is going to help too.

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Originally Posted by tenyearsgone
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I’m going to eat some crow here. I was talking to somebody at the match about why anybody would want a 6.5Creedmoor in an AR platform and how much I hate an AR for any kind of precision work.

Well thanks to a derilict friend, I’m swapping a 308 barrel for a 6.5 barrel. So now I’ve been bit by the big and want to see what I can make this rifle do. It’s a 1:8 twist 20 inch barrel with rifle length gas tube. It will run a suppressor and I already have an adjustable gas block. Hoping to run the 143ELD-X.

So what needs to be down to make this an accurate, as accurate as I can shoot, gas gun?

Also, I heard Garvey say at the range that the last round usually goes high, I assume this has to do with the bolt staying back upon an empty mag, could this be prevented by running a snap cap as the last round?


The biggest factor is finding a load that works. This is going to be tedious unless you strike gold off the bat. I have two AR308's I assembled myself, and don't mind sharing some of what I used. One shoots .1 moa while the other is .4 moa (still testing loads).

I used LaRue triggers (no idea why you're opposed), and the LaRue Apeg grip. My hand sits perfect on the weapon with those two. I also have the Hogue A2 length stock because it's nice and sturdy. A good scope is going to help too.


You’re shooting 0.1MOA???

I don’t like the Larue because I don’t like 2-stage triggers. I don’t have them in any gun so I don’t want them.

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Originally Posted by BigPig
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I’m going to eat some crow here. I was talking to somebody at the match about why anybody would want a 6.5Creedmoor in an AR platform and how much I hate an AR for any kind of precision work.

Well thanks to a derilict friend, I’m swapping a 308 barrel for a 6.5 barrel. So now I’ve been bit by the big and want to see what I can make this rifle do. It’s a 1:8 twist 20 inch barrel with rifle length gas tube. It will run a suppressor and I already have an adjustable gas block. Hoping to run the 143ELD-X.

So what needs to be down to make this an accurate, as accurate as I can shoot, gas gun?

Also, I heard Garvey say at the range that the last round usually goes high, I assume this has to do with the bolt staying back upon an empty mag, could this be prevented by running a snap cap as the last round?


The biggest factor is finding a load that works. This is going to be tedious unless you strike gold off the bat. I have two AR308's I assembled myself, and don't mind sharing some of what I used. One shoots .1 moa while the other is .4 moa (still testing loads).

I used LaRue triggers (no idea why you're opposed), and the LaRue Apeg grip. My hand sits perfect on the weapon with those two. I also have the Hogue A2 length stock because it's nice and sturdy. A good scope is going to help too.


You’re shooting 0.1MOA???

I don’t like the Larue because I don’t like 2-stage triggers. I don’t have them in any gun so I don’t want them.


Yes, here's the thread from load testing these rifles.

https://texashuntingforum.com/forum...oa-goodness-with-pics-inside#Post7423214

I think load testing is where the most patience is required. Don't give up if you don't find a good load after a few combinations. I still have a 30-06 I'm messing around with for the last few years because I'm not satisfied with how it shoots. The downside of that is I have powder I'll never use collecting dust.

As far as disliking two stage triggers; I don't think you're going to reach maximum accuracy without one. This is solely based on personal experience so it's not objective at all, but the theory seems to support my opinion. Most of the pull weight is factored out when you take up the slack. The trigger is left on the edge that requires only a little nudge. It took a little getting used to, but I shoot better with them than my precision single stages.

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Where did the .1MOA come from? From the link you posted I only saw a .4 and 2 .7 groups. Maybe I missed something.


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Where did the .1MOA come from? From the link you posted I only saw a .4 and 2 .7 groups. Maybe I missed something.


Gotta subtract the bullet diameter from those numbers.

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Where did the .1MOA come from? From the link you posted I only saw a .4 and 2 .7 groups. Maybe I missed something.


Gotta subtract the bullet diameter from those numbers.

Yes, Chris PM'd me and explained it. Seems like an overly complicated way of doing it when he could have just measured from center to center with the caliper.


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Originally Posted by KRoyal
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Where did the .1MOA come from? From the link you posted I only saw a .4 and 2 .7 groups. Maybe I missed something.


Gotta subtract the bullet diameter from those numbers.

Yes, Chris PM'd me and explained it. Seems like an overly complicated way of doing it when he could have just measured from center to center with the caliper.


Measuring O.D. and subtracting bullet is more accurate. Center to center is subjective to the eye ball looking at it.


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Originally Posted by KRoyal
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Where did the .1MOA come from? From the link you posted I only saw a .4 and 2 .7 groups. Maybe I missed something.


Gotta subtract the bullet diameter from those numbers.

Yes, Chris PM'd me and explained it. Seems like an overly complicated way of doing it when he could have just measured from center to center with the caliper.


There’s no reference to line up the calipers for measuring center of the holes. At least by measuring the total outside diameter then subtracting; you have something to focus on lining up because the edges are clearly marked.

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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
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Where did the .1MOA come from? From the link you posted I only saw a .4 and 2 .7 groups. Maybe I missed something.


Gotta subtract the bullet diameter from those numbers.

Yes, Chris PM'd me and explained it. Seems like an overly complicated way of doing it when he could have just measured from center to center with the caliper.


Measuring O.D. and subtracting bullet is more accurate. Center to center is subjective to the eye ball looking at it.

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Yup, you do things the wrong way quite frequently.


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Yup, you do things the wrong way quite frequently.

Ehhh I’m always right, like ALWAYS!!!


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Originally Posted by KRoyal
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Yup, you do things the wrong way quite frequently.

Ehhh I’m always right, like ALWAYS!!!


Like swapping scales. Let's see that brass pic again....


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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
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Yup, you do things the wrong way quite frequently.

Ehhh I’m always right, like ALWAYS!!!


Like swapping scales. Let's see that brass pic again....

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Originally Posted by ccoker
I have a Wilson Combat 18” 308 that shot extrmely well, capable of bisting gold balls at 500.
Swapped the barrlel for a 20” 6 Creedmoor and we were hitting fence posts at 900 yards in 15 mph crosswinds a few weeks ago with 108 ELD match

ARs can shoot

wait, what!!!!!!!! i'm calling bs on this one


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Originally Posted by FiremanJG


You need to shoot my LR-308 with a Tinmey, that damn BigFitz talked me into.

Smooth, crisp, short reset.


I only spent $200 of your money, you've cost me $10k on FFP scopes and rifles!


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You need to shoot my LR-308 with a Tinmey, that damn BigFitz talked me into.

Smooth, crisp, short reset.


I only spent $200 of your money, you've cost me $10k on FFP scopes and rifles!


I showed you the gate, you chose to walk through it.

You're the one that ate the red pill.


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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw
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I have a Wilson Combat 18” 308 that shot extrmely well, capable of bisting gold balls at 500.
Swapped the barrlel for a 20” 6 Creedmoor and we were hitting fence posts at 900 yards in 15 mph crosswinds a few weeks ago with 108 ELD match

ARs can shoot

wait, what!!!!!!!! i'm calling bs on this one



No BS here...... I own one. Ccoker will be glad to take your money Buzz.......


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I see a lot of talk about the bow, but not much talk about the indian. As compared to a bolt gun, there are a lot of extra things happening between the time you pull the trigger and the time the bullet leaves the muzzle. All that extra reciprocating mass has more potential to exploit any imperfections you have as the shooter driving the rifle. There has to be more focus on driving the rifle correctly to get the same results.... proper trigger control, management of recoil, follow through. Any sins you're committing become more obvious when you're shooting an AR. Something to consider.

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