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One antlered deer?
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11/24/18 04:54 PM
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Does anyone know for sure if a one antlered deer is legal in an antler restriction county?
We saw a big mature buck today, with one antler that was a good 3+ inches outside its ear on that side, but no antler at all on the other side. No visible stump of a broken antler or anything that we could see through the binos. If it broke off it broke right at the pedicle.
If he had a stub of antler (with no forks left on it), it seems to me like that would count as an unbranched antler and he would be legal.
But with just nothing on that side I am not sure how to interpret the regs. He looked at least 5.5 to me, and the one antler he had was very wide and heavy, but only had three points and no brow tine, so he would have been a good buck to put in the freezer!
Let me know what you all think or if any of you have run into this before....
Thanks!
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11/24/18 06:30 PM
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11/24/18 09:32 PM
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Good advice! I guess I should have thought of it in the first place... The game warden told me that the deer I described would be legal to take. Hopefully he will come back at some point!
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11/24/18 10:07 PM
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Law is pretty clear. Greater than 13" spread or an un-branched antler. Sounds like the deer you speak of meets neither of those qualifications.
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11/25/18 06:25 PM
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Law is pretty clear. Greater than 13" spread or an un-branched antler. Sounds like the deer you speak of meets neither of those qualifications. How do you figure if he has an unbranched antler? The other side doesn't matter. If he had a fork on one side and nothing on the other, then he'd not be legal, meeting neither criteria.
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Re: One antlered deer?
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11/25/18 07:11 PM
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Kind of a confusing post, Title states - 'one antlered deer'. First question asks - " Does anyone know for sure if a one antlered deer is legal in an antler restriction county? " In an AR county a one antlered buck would have to be a one (1) point to qualify as a legal buck, " at least one unbranched antler or an inside spread of 13 inches or greater."
Then a hypothetical question - " If he had a stub of antler (with no forks left on it), it seems to me like that would count as an unbranched antler and he would be legal." A broke off antler having no more than one point would qualify as an unbranched antler, but, GW's deal with people frequently that purposefully break, cut, stomp, lop an antler off after they realize they shot a buck that was too narrow for AR.
Lastly - " But with just nothing on that side I am not sure how to interpret the regs. He looked at least 5.5 to me, and the one antler he had was very wide and heavy, but only had three points and no brow tine, so he would have been a good buck to put in the freezer! "
The AR regulations are simple, " A legal buck deer is defined as a buck deer with: at least one unbranched antler; OR an inside spread of 13 inches or greater (does not apply to a buck that has an unbranched antler). "
This buck doesn't have an unbranched antler and there is nothing on the other side to use as a measurement reference to verify he has an inside spread of 13 or greater. Not a legal buck. 3 points on one side nothing on the other, no unbranched antler, no way to confirm 13" inside spread.
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Re: One antlered deer?
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11/25/18 08:10 PM
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Oh crap,. mis-read. apparently the deer in question does have a branched antler on one side, nothing on the other. Am I reading it right this time? If that's the case, with absolutely nothing on the other side he gets a free pass this year. The inside spread is "infinity," not zero.
Sorry for my confusion.
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11/26/18 03:40 PM
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heck thats a great question. I've got one that has 4 on 1 side and a big ball with a point sticking out of it on the other. Not sure if mine is legal or not either
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Re: One antlered deer?
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11/26/18 08:33 PM
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Not legal and I'd suggest you get in writing from the GW that told you it was legal before you shoot that deer just in case you get checked after your taking of said illegal deer. The deer you describe does not have an unbranched antler.
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11/27/18 03:30 AM
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heck thats a great question. I've got one that has 4 on 1 side and a big ball with a point sticking out of it on the other. Not sure if mine is legal or not either That is legal as you have 1 unbranched side.
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Re: One antlered deer?
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11/27/18 03:46 AM
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Law is pretty clear. Greater than 13" spread or an un-branched antler. Sounds like the deer you speak of meets neither of those qualifications.
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11/27/18 05:04 AM
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Law is pretty clear. Greater than 13" spread or an un-branched antler. Sounds like the deer you speak of meets neither of those qualifications. How I'd play it too......
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11/27/18 05:06 AM
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Kind of a confusing post, Title states - 'one antlered deer'. First question asks - " Does anyone know for sure if a one antlered deer is legal in an antler restriction county? " In an AR county a one antlered buck would have to be a one (1) point to qualify as a legal buck, " at least one unbranched antler or an inside spread of 13 inches or greater."
Then a hypothetical question - " If he had a stub of antler (with no forks left on it), it seems to me like that would count as an unbranched antler and he would be legal." A broke off antler having no more than one point would qualify as an unbranched antler, but, GW's deal with people frequently that purposefully break, cut, stomp, lop an antler off after they realize they shot a buck that was too narrow for AR.
Lastly - " But with just nothing on that side I am not sure how to interpret the regs. He looked at least 5.5 to me, and the one antler he had was very wide and heavy, but only had three points and no brow tine, so he would have been a good buck to put in the freezer! "
The AR regulations are simple, " A legal buck deer is defined as a buck deer with: at least one unbranched antler; OR an inside spread of 13 inches or greater (does not apply to a buck that has an unbranched antler). "
This buck doesn't have an unbranched antler and there is nothing on the other side to use as a measurement reference to verify he has an inside spread of 13 or greater. Not a legal buck. 3 points on one side nothing on the other, no unbranched antler, no way to confirm 13" inside spread. I’m with you on your thinking but at the same time what ticket could the GW write you if you can’t measure what the inside spread is since the antler is gone? You can’t prove it was under 13 inches either.....
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Re: One antlered deer?
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11/27/18 01:42 PM
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Kind of a confusing post, Title states - 'one antlered deer'. First question asks - " Does anyone know for sure if a one antlered deer is legal in an antler restriction county? " In an AR county a one antlered buck would have to be a one (1) point to qualify as a legal buck, " at least one unbranched antler or an inside spread of 13 inches or greater."
Then a hypothetical question - " If he had a stub of antler (with no forks left on it), it seems to me like that would count as an unbranched antler and he would be legal." A broke off antler having no more than one point would qualify as an unbranched antler, but, GW's deal with people frequently that purposefully break, cut, stomp, lop an antler off after they realize they shot a buck that was too narrow for AR.
Lastly - " But with just nothing on that side I am not sure how to interpret the regs. He looked at least 5.5 to me, and the one antler he had was very wide and heavy, but only had three points and no brow tine, so he would have been a good buck to put in the freezer! "
The AR regulations are simple, " A legal buck deer is defined as a buck deer with: at least one unbranched antler; OR an inside spread of 13 inches or greater (does not apply to a buck that has an unbranched antler). "
This buck doesn't have an unbranched antler and there is nothing on the other side to use as a measurement reference to verify he has an inside spread of 13 or greater. Not a legal buck. 3 points on one side nothing on the other, no unbranched antler, no way to confirm 13" inside spread. I’m with you on your thinking but at the same time what ticket could the GW write you if you can’t measure what the inside spread is since the antler is gone? You can’t prove it was under 13 inches either..... Without a second antler, there is no "spread". You can not measure something that is not there.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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11/27/18 02:21 PM
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Straight from the outdoor annual; In an AR county " A legal buck deer is defined as a buck deer with: at least one unbranched antler; OR an inside spread of 13 inches or greater (does not apply to a buck that has an unbranched antler). " Must have at least one or the other.
Really very simple. The buck the OP was asking about ( not the hypothetical one ) has neither an unbranched antler or an inside spread of 13" or more. 3 points on one side, nothing on the other = not a legal buck,, does not have an unbranched antler or 13" spread.
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11/27/18 06:20 PM
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Straight from the outdoor annual; In an AR county " A legal buck deer is defined as a buck deer with: at least one unbranched antler; OR an inside spread of 13 inches or greater (does not apply to a buck that has an unbranched antler). " Must have at least one or the other.
Really very simple. The buck the OP was asking about ( not the hypothetical one ) has neither an unbranched antler or an inside spread of 13" or more. 3 points on one side, nothing on the other = not a legal buck,, does not have an unbranched antler or 13" spread.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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