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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/08/18 02:32 PM
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Lots of good mentions here. Steiner T5Xi is one that seems to be under-rated. Top notch build quality and optics, and you can find them used for much cheaper than the top-end options that cost $2k+. I've seen them around $1300-$1400, and you'd be hard-pressed to get better bang for your buck. The SCR reticle is pretty good.
Lots of people have a bad taste in their mouth after tracking issues, and problems with customer service to correct those issues. Maybe that's why they're so cheap used... That would be why. In the US Steiner’s warranty is done by Burris out of Greenly, CO. I had a Steiner military that lost tracking and the windage turret froze up. Bad experience as I had to send it back 2 other times before I sold the scope for a huge loss. If your Stiner is American made then Burris built it. I know a lot of people like the XTRii but I would stay away from The new Steiner products because of my experience.
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/08/18 02:49 PM
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Nightforce ATACR. I have had other scopes that work, but none have instilled the confidence that this one has over the years. I'd rather have this one, than any other combination of lesser options. Pony up the money, learn how to use it, and never need a better mouse trap ever again.
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/08/18 03:04 PM
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I have a few Steiners, all have been rock solid But, there definitely has been some problems with them..
I have a 1-5 Tactical, 2 3-15 tacticals and a 5-25 Military
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/08/18 03:20 PM
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I'm holding off for when Tangent Theta puts Minox's MR4 reticle in their 5-25, then I'm selling my firstborn to buy it. I couldn’t do that. Do you think a third born would bring enough? I could part with that one. Not even close. Probably your 2nd and 3rd combined. I just realized the third one is my favorite one, so I’ll have to do 2 and 4. I get the strays mixed up sometimes.
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/08/18 04:04 PM
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My answer, easy- Nightforce. I have 6 of them. Absolutely solid scopes with great turret internals. I have spoken to the NF reps about the internals, and they built their internals to avoid the problem issues other scopes have. The main one being they have a turret stop (not a zero stop) that does not allow the reticle to touch the side of the tube. Many scopes will allow you to dial all the way until you feel the turret get "squishy" when the reticle hits the tube outer walls. This will strip the internal screws and can lead to misalignment with with the reticle inside.
#1- Nightforce #2- S&B #3- Vortex
I have played with MANY scopes and broken a few. The absolute worst one has been a Swarovski. Yes, they have great glass, but when you start dialing on their turrets, problems begin. Their main problem is they have 1" tubes (does not allow for much internal travel), and the magnification is so high, that it decreases internal travel even more. Then they put a target turret on top for you to dial. Some of their scopes have as little as 40 or 50 moa. If you zero your rifle at 100 yards and your zero is on the high side inside the scope, then the scope has no room for more elevation. I have also seen some Swarovski scopes not be able to zero at 100 since they have so little internal elevation. If a scope doesn't have good internals, then it doesn't matter how good the glass is, IMO.
A few others I've seen have issues are US Optics and a few Mark 4 Leupolds.
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/08/18 04:20 PM
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hard to argue against NF!
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/09/18 10:05 AM
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Haven’t looked through a Nightforce in a couple of years. Back then the glass was really good but not the best I’d seen. On the other hand if my life depended on it I’d want a Nightforce on my rifle due to their toughness. I’ve read the glass has improved lately.
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/09/18 02:59 PM
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Haven’t looked through a Nightforce in a couple of years. Back then the glass was really good but not the best I’d seen. On the other hand if my life depended on it I’d want a Nightforce on my rifle due to their toughness. I’ve read the glass has improved lately. exactly
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/09/18 03:11 PM
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Haven’t looked through a Nightforce in a couple of years. Back then the glass was really good but not the best I’d seen. On the other hand if my life depended on it I’d want a Nightforce on my rifle due to their toughness. I’ve read the glass has improved lately. Glass is decent in them. We recently had a 5-25 atacr f1, 5-25 S&B pm II , khales and a 3-15 premier heritage. The consensus was the NF lacked in the glass area vs the other 3. It's eyebox was less forgiving for myself. As far as reliability and toughness goes it's right there with the rest and I would take any of them besides maybe the khales into battle. The turrets feel wise go to the premier. The 7-35 nf is supposed to have glass that's on par with the others but I've not looked through one in person yet.
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/09/18 03:23 PM
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7-35X doesn't look any different than my 5-25X, at least not to my eye.
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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7-35X doesn't look any different than my 5-25X, at least not to my eye. You're the first I've heard say they look the same. I was not impressed with the 5-25. Resolution and clarity just wasn't there.
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/09/18 03:32 PM
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7-35X doesn't look any different than my 5-25X, at least not to my eye. You're the first I've heard say they look the same. I was not impressed with the 5-25. Resolution and clarity just wasn't there. They must have put pixie dust in mine.
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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01/09/18 06:17 PM
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7-35X doesn't look any different than my 5-25X, at least not to my eye. You're the first I've heard say they look the same. I was not impressed with the 5-25. Resolution and clarity just wasn't there. They must have put pixie dust in mine. Built on a Wednesday instead of a monday or friday......
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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That's gotta be what it is.
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Re: Which scopes (turret type) really are the most durable
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That 7-35 looks pretty spiffy, too.
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