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Re: farmers & ranchers? [Re: dogcatcher] #6717139 03/28/17 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: dogcatcher
In the early 1950s during the drought the jackrabbits were the problem. The landowners got together and had rabbit drives. Part of them would gather at one end of pasture with loaded shotguns and clubs. The others would line up and literally drive the jacks towards the others. This would go on for an entire weekend, covering literally dozens of pastures by just one groups of the landowners and their relatives and friends.

After you ran out of rabbits you went along with your club and killed any that were still moving or crying. Then basically left them were they laid, the coyotes had a lot of feasts that summer without any work. But then occasionally a coyote made a mistake and became a part of the shoot, as did a few bobcats.

This was the only solution the farmers and ranchers had of getting rid of the jacks, they were literally eating up the pastures so that the cattle were having to be fed.

Grain acreage was being demolished by the same jacks. At night, they would gather in pickups and night hunt the jacks in the grain fields. It was nothing to see 5 or more pickups with 3 or more shooters in each chasing jacks around the fields.

It worked on jackrabbit population, maybe it would work on the feral hog population.



I believe that would work pretty good. Problem is you'd have trouble lining up folks to do that in today's world.

Choppers are as efficient and requires fewer folks. Just more dinero. The good thing is the cost can be offset by selling the "hunts".


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And you aint bout to walk in a line for more than 20yrds of woods were im at... choppers cant even see the pigs from above if they stay in the bed and wait for dark.. also other than wide open counties a lot of east tx places were properties are split up into 20-60acrs for most the county your not about to do anything with a helicopter safely/legally and make a dent in the population

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And you aint bout to walk in a line for more than 20yrds of woods were im at... choppers cant even see the pigs from above if they stay in the bed and wait for dark.. also other than wide open counties a lot of east tx places were properties are split up into 20-60acrs for most the county your not about to do anything with a helicopter safely/legally and make a dent in the population


Even more reason poison is an idiot idea. You know a lot of folks in fragmented areas ain't gonna get the memo not to eat the pigs. How many stroke death lawsuits would it take to make the state realize just how ignorant poisoning a food source is?


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One way that would help would be to start a contest like the west Texas big bobcat contest (or the jackrabbit or coyote contests). It would have to be based on total number of pigs and unlimited on size. You could have categories on method of kill but that's all.

There would be semi loads of dead pigs show up. That cat contest has severely reduced the number of yotes and foxes on many ranches. The money is so good you have hunters "protecting" a few pocket ranches that they can still find big cats and enough yotes and foxes on.



There have been hog hunting tournaments for a long time now. Never seen a semi-load, but I've seen some 28 foot gooseneck loads.

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You all complaining about people not taking their responsibility of hog eradication seriously need to sit back and realize that probably half of the texas countryside is owned by city dwellers who don't live on the land, and the number is likely more than half. So you gonna argue that you can't own land unless you take eradication of hogs seriously and pay more money for professional hog killers to come on your property while you aren't there and "take care" of the hogs...as if that even works.

Guys, there is a hog issue, some people see it as a problem some people see it as an opportunity, some people see it as a fun time. The real problem lies in the fact that there are people on here trying to tell other people what they need to do on their land. NO, this isn't Russia where someone can tell you what to do. Its the USA. We are free to run our land the way we want, and if that involves using the "pig problem" as a commercial venture then so be it, if it means using it for fun hobby then so be it, if it means trying to be a farmer and having to deal with the hog issue then so be it. Each profession has financial responsibilities and that just happens to be one of yours that you can't force everyone else to conform to.

Would be like me saying I don't want to pay for the cost of my medical liability insurance so everyone needs to do exactly what I say when it comes to healthcare and not sue me when you get sick...lets see how that goes for two seconds...anyone smoke or drink or overweight on this forum?

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Don't think I've seen anyone trying to tell anyone what to do with their land, just stated the simple fact that as long as there are large areas of sanctuary from control, none of these control methods, including poison, are going to be particularly effective.

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One way that would help would be to start a contest like the west Texas big bobcat contest (or the jackrabbit or coyote contests). It would have to be based on total number of pigs and unlimited on size. You could have categories on method of kill but that's all.

There would be semi loads of dead pigs show up. That cat contest has severely reduced the number of yotes and foxes on many ranches. The money is so good you have hunters "protecting" a few pocket ranches that they can still find big cats and enough yotes and foxes on.



There have been hog hunting tournaments for a long time now. Never seen a semi-load, but I've seen some 28 foot gooseneck loads.


Seen any that only cost 50 bucks a person for 4 man teams and pay off with ~$45,000 for first, ~$30,000 for second, and ~$20,000 for third? That's what the cat contest pays.

I think pig hunts could actually pay off MUCH more than that. County org sponsorship would help.

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Yeah, I've been hunting the big cat for a good while now, I'm pretty straight on what it pays. It's format is what attracts so many teams. Guys don't have to have access to 50k acres to win it. Hard to get the same from a hog hunting contest, guys with big places are always going to win those.

But to answer your question, no, I've never seen a hog tournament pay what WTBBC pays, but I've not seen anything else that does either. There are some that pay pretty good though.

I also have to say that I think you may overestimate the impact WTBBC is having on predator populations. I hunt a bunch of tournaments, not just WTBBC, and haven't seen much difference year over year in the number of animals I call on my places. The overall numbers seen at weigh-ins don't seem to be declining either.

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Like I aid before, hogs are like coyotes. The day of eradicating them is long gone. Back 30 or so years ago when you could use 1080 in collars and in baits that did not lower the coyote population. You could kill every hog off a 1000 acres but if the neighbors did nothing you would still have a butt load of hogs the next day. The only thing you can do is try to keep them off your place. That means having good net wire fences to start. Then you have to patrol it and put a snare in every hole they make under it. Take out every hog you catch and replace the snare. Shoot every one you see. Mothers ,fathers and all the babies. Do this and you will not solve the problem but will lessen it some.

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Like I aid before, hogs are like coyotes. The day of eradicating them is long gone. Back 30 or so years ago when you could use 1080 in collars and in baits that did not lower the coyote population. You could kill every hog off a 1000 acres but if the neighbors did nothing you would still have a butt load of hogs the next day. The only thing you can do is try to keep them off your place. That means having good net wire fences to start. Then you have to patrol it and put a snare in every hole they make under it. Take out every hog you catch and replace the snare. Shoot every one you see. Mothers ,fathers and all the babies. Do this and you will not solve the problem but will lessen it some.


Agreed.

I'm about to go Blitzkrieg with snares. Hogs come onto my place in the dark. They must know I always have a rifle and range finder near me in the daylight.


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Where I hunt, coyotes have not been eradicated, but I've yet to see a single one. Never seen any sign nor heard a single howl. The sheep ranchers are absolute hell on coyotes, and it's had an impressive effect on them. The properties are in large tracts, which makes a big difference, but the ranchers take the issue very seriously, and it works.

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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Where I hunt, coyotes have not been eradicated, but I've yet to see a single one. Never seen any sign nor heard a single howl. The sheep ranchers are absolute hell on coyotes, and it's had an impressive effect on them. The properties are in large tracts, which makes a big difference, but the ranchers take the issue very seriously, and it works.
They are not eradicated here either. I have not seen a sign of one in probably 6 months. But when you do you usually find a dead animal of some kind. Hopefully it is a WT or something not expensive. But what ever it is you start trying to find out where it got through the fence. Then you do what you have to do so it doesn't happen again until the next one.

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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
Where I hunt, coyotes have not been eradicated, but I've yet to see a single one. Never seen any sign nor heard a single howl. The sheep ranchers are absolute hell on coyotes, and it's had an impressive effect on them. The properties are in large tracts, which makes a big difference, but the ranchers take the issue very seriously, and it works.


I've read tales of ranchers that if one saw a coyote neighbors phones began ringing. Then it was like a wildland fire, everyone drop what your doing and come help. Yeah, they take it serious where you hunt. Lots of sheep roaming around.

And because of what they've done, that country has deer like fleas on a dogs back.


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Where I hunt, coyotes have not been eradicated, but I've yet to see a single one. Never seen any sign nor heard a single howl. The sheep ranchers are absolute hell on coyotes, and it's had an impressive effect on them. The properties are in large tracts, which makes a big difference, but the ranchers take the issue very seriously, and it works.


I've read tales of ranchers that if one saw a coyote neighbors phones began ringing. Then it was like a wildland fire, everyone drop what your doing and come help. Yeah, they take it serious where you hunt. Lots of sheep roaming around.

And because of what they've done, that country has deer like fleas on a dogs back.
right on. it will take farmers, ranchers & all other land owner to take the problem head on, be hunting, trapping ect, BUT face it that will never happen, 80% of the time when I approach a land owner about coyotes (explaining how coyote affect fawn population) I get the same answer "I don't have a problem with coyotes"


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Where I hunt, coyotes have not been eradicated, but I've yet to see a single one. Never seen any sign nor heard a single howl. The sheep ranchers are absolute hell on coyotes, and it's had an impressive effect on them. The properties are in large tracts, which makes a big difference, but the ranchers take the issue very seriously, and it works.


I've read tales of ranchers that if one saw a coyote neighbors phones began ringing. Then it was like a wildland fire, everyone drop what your doing and come help. Yeah, they take it serious where you hunt. Lots of sheep roaming around.

And because of what they've done, that country has deer like fleas on a dogs back.
right on. it will take farmers, ranchers & all other land owner to take the problem head on, be hunting, trapping ect, BUT face it that will never happen, 80% of the time when I approach a land owner about coyotes (explaining how coyote affect fawn population) I get the same answer "I don't have a problem with coyotes"



In sheep country, where almost everyone is farming/ranching sheep, coyotes are a problem. In grain country, coyotes keep the rabbits in check so they aren't a problem and coyotes don't mess with the grain, so no problem. Perspective right?

With hogs, not everyone sees hogs as problem, so you will never get a consensus on hogs. Unless you are in an area which does mostly farming (grains, cotton, corn, etc) or golf courses you won't see a consensus about hogs being a problem and a concerted effort to get rid of them by neighbors. In most of texas where ranchettes and hunters own land, hogs are an opportunity for financial gain and/or a fun animal to shoot or a good animal to eat. For the majority of Texans, hogs are not a financial issue. Its all about perspective.

And that's the problem, you can't dictate someone's perspective on things, including how to deal with hogs (not saying you are).

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I've read tales of ranchers that if one saw a hog neighbors phones began ringing. Then it was like a wildland fire, everyone drop what your doing and come help. Yeah, they take it serious where you hunt. Lots of sheep roaming around.

And because of what they've done, that country has deer like fleas on a dogs back.

right on. it will take farmers, ranchers & all other land owner to take the problem head on, be hunting, trapping ect, BUT face it that will never happen, 80% of the time when I approach a land owner about hogs (explaining how hogs affect fawn population) I get the same answer "I don't have a problem with hogs"

FIFY... We had very little hog problems, seen more deer than hogs due to the 24-7-365 hunting pressure, & after 25+ years it went ta 4 deer county... Did my hog hunting on WMA land, they had regulations, no baiting, no night hunts, archery during deer hunts, muzzleloader, rim fire, & shotgun during squirrel, & the 3 months hog any legal means, think they added archery hog year round... Limited hunt & regulations made WMA land a hotspot for hogs, Most movement done at night... [/i] Fireman [/i] put up some cheap cellular lights down range, my cheap scope can pick up hogs off the light, or NV or thermal hunt at night... Am sure ya have plenty of friends willing ta help flag

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is the bait thing not going happen or what?


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Shooting them is like farting in the wind. So far, this is the only way to get a handle on them at my place. There were 36 in the trap counting the footballs - that boar weighed 310 lbs and had big cutters. Total luck to catch him with that sounder as they usually are loners - one of those sows must have been in heat. If the poison works with no "side effects" on other animals, I will sure use it. I'll let others go first though.



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Traps help. I'll be building one shortly. Some hogs get "trap smart", though. I've also got some snares ordered to line the fences with. All those measures, plus shooting, and I think I will still have hogs.


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Fortunately, caught a total of 78 up and down the creek on mine and neighbor's place. Key is to be patient, watch the traps remotely, and wait until the whole pod is inside before dropping the gate. The pros like the guy who set this one have it down pat. You don't want to leave any remnants of the sounder for breeding or any "trap smart" pigs if you can help it. He watched it for 3 days/nights before the whole sounder was in it at once. Trapping doesn't solve the problems but it does make a noticeable difference if done right.

I wish I had been thinking, I would have just paid him what he got for that big boar just to have his head. I have never killed one that big and don't think I have even seen one that big on the place. hammer


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just read a post in the photo link, op say wish he had pigs to shoot on his new lease, this is why the problem will not be fixed. duel

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just read a post in the photo link, op say wish he had pigs to shoot on his new lease, this is why the problem will not be fixed. duel


Exactly. I've had guys turn down my big lake ranch because it's pig free.


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just read a post in the photo link, op say wish he had pigs to shoot on his new lease, this is why the problem will not be fixed. duel


Exactly. I've had guys turn down my big lake ranch because it's pig free.


That blows my mind. That's a God send.


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just read a post in the photo link, op say wish he had pigs to shoot on his new lease, this is why the problem will not be fixed. duel


Exactly. I've had guys turn down my big lake ranch because it's pig free.


Yep. However one feels about pigs, that's why they got started, are everywhere, and won't go away. Many non-landowners don't care about the havoc they wreak, they just want something to shoot year round.


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just read a post in the photo link, op say wish he had pigs to shoot on his new lease, this is why the problem will not be fixed. duel


Exactly. I've had guys turn down my big lake ranch because it's pig free.


Yep. However one feels about pigs, that's why they got started, are everywhere, and won't go away. Many non-landowners don't care about the havoc they wreak, they just want something to shoot year round.


Yep, and it may blow bobo's mind but it's true.

Brings up a good question though. I wonder how many places in Texas are pig free?

And IMO since there are pigs totally surrounding the big lake area, how does one explain the fact that there are none in that area?? I know exactly why, but I'll listen to theories. Maybe should start another thread.


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I don't know. They've been over here so long it's hard to imagine a "pig free" zone.


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