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farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 12:52 AM
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colt45-90
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how many forum members make their living 100% off their land? as such would you be in favor of poison bait for hogs? for me it would be a hard decision to make. in the 50's we used chemicals that had a very adverse affect to pheasant and other wild life. luckily we don't have hogs where I grew up on the farm, be a hard choice to make. say hogs destroy just 25 acers of wheat, could be conservatively $2000/ not counting cost of getting the crop in.
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 01:56 AM
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BOBO the Clown
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I've successfully eradicate prairie dogs...any more questions  I'm all for poison, but want to see a better delivery system. Hunting aspect is a joke as a viable control method. My person ranch doesn't have a hog issue. Have a pronghorn issue and "use to" have an elk issue.
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 02:09 AM
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swmays
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If you really had a pronghorn issue, you'd let me hunt them for free... 
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 02:17 AM
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 We didn't use to have a hog problem.. Now, it makes planting corn v-e-r-y slow & screws up the germination.. Only problem is, like others have said, when you poison them that usually makes its way further down the food chain.. Beats the hell outta the suspension on this.. 
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
[Re: swmays]
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03/22/17 02:29 AM
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BOBO the Clown
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If you really had a pronghorn issue, you'd let me hunt them for free... Knock yourself out. Shot everyone you see. My place is Mainly in Oklahoma...they do things a little arse backwards tag wise....elk was an easy fix, use to we would just wait until they cross state line and hammer time, now we have a tag option for the reluctant migrates
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 01:57 PM
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colt45-90
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late 40's early 50's, my dad made a home made poison spreader, truck rear end with a 55gal barrel on top with a spinner in the bottom, used bran, I don't remember the bait, grass hoppers were so bad they were eating spring wheat as much as 25yds into the fields from the edges. if he were alive today, I know what his answer would be.
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 02:04 PM
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J.G.
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My land produces money from hay, and mostly from the range. I have to keep that range mowed. Both involve tractor usage. I hate hogs with a passion! They've torn up the land I've worked so hard to smooth up, and rehab grass. I'd be all for poisoning, but I would NOT want to harm any other critter out there. I've got very little deer, and am just now starting to see turkey.
How would poison only target hogs?
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 02:10 PM
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How would poison only target hogs? lead poisoning would be target selective
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 02:17 PM
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I've successfully eradicate prairie dogs...any more questions  I'm all for poison, but want to see a better delivery system. Hunting aspect is a joke as a viable control method. My person ranch doesn't have a hog issue. Have a pronghorn issue and "use to" have an elk issue. 
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 02:18 PM
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Ag income is so low you have to be a rich farmer/rancher to begin with to make it
hogs don't tear up my land like in other places, they just come visit the 3 tanks, eat fallen fruits/corn then move back to the river.
The only poison I've used is rat poison inside the barn
I don't even use fertilizer for my coastal or any of the fruit trees or my vineyard I like things natural as much as possible
If i were to have hog problem, I can shoot them faster than they can produce. And my friends would be more than happy to play GI Joe with hogs
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 02:21 PM
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If you really had a pronghorn issue, you'd let me hunt them for free... Not if it creates a bigger "human" issue. I do let people I trust hunt pigs for free. But hunting pigs isn't really overly effective. High scale trapping and the helicopter hunts are the only real methods for reducing the population as far as I can tell.
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
[Re: colt45-90]
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03/22/17 02:21 PM
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Navasot
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Iv got plenty of customers that make their living off of hay... they loose lots of land and spend more money to fix it every year... other fields cattle graze in are being destroyed too.... yall can think of all the reasons it shouldn't but the poison is coming one way or another
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 02:26 PM
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We are just beginning to see hogs on our properties in western Mills and can already see the damage they do but I'm not ready to start throwing out poison until I know more about the down side.
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
[Re: cameron00]
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03/22/17 02:28 PM
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If you really had a pronghorn issue, you'd let me hunt them for free... Not if it creates a bigger "human" issue. I do let people I trust hunt pigs for free. But hunting pigs isn't really overly effective. High scale trapping and the helicopter hunts are the only real methods for reducing the population as far as I can tell. I hear you, I would think it would take more helicopters and traps than we could possibly do, maybe build a WALL 
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 02:32 PM
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Seems like I read somewhere they can use some type of salt in feed that kills hogs but seems to not affect other animals. I believe it was reported they use it in Australia.
I don't make my living farming or ranching and I would still support it.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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#6711868
03/22/17 02:36 PM
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Don't make my living from it. I can say this however. It will not be used on my property if I have a say in the matter. Hope its not used on my neighbors as well. In our area its mainly range land and honestly the hogs don't really do much except compete for food with the deer and turkey. Fairly descent sized coastal field on my place and they are never in it except on the fringe where it meets the wooded areas. Even when they are they are not tearing up the coastal. They root around the oak trees a little and that is about all.
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 02:55 PM
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It's not my sole means of support, but I do derive income from my place that is important to my family, and I do have mild hog issues. I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't taken the time to educate myself on this poison issue. I'd have no problem controlling pests with poisons, but I'd rather see how it works out for others before I try it. With most ambitious endeavors there are significant unintended consequences. Unintended consequences from poisons have the potential to be dangerous I would imagine. I'd think a slow implementation in limited areas to start out might be something to consider. Maybe they already have, don't know... I'm in the wait and see camp.
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 03:38 PM
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I don't think you have to be a farmer/rancher for this to affect you. I don't like the idea of prescription drugs being put out in the open environment that will just get washed into the water supply. Our public water system doesn't have the capability of removing these types of chemicals. The below was taken from the EPA. ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS This product may be toxic to fish, birds and other wildlife. Dogs and other predatory and scavenging mammals and birds might be poisoned if they feed upon animals that have eaten the bait. Do not apply this product directly to water, to areas where surface water is present or to intertidal areas below the mean high-water mark. Do not contaminate water when disposing of equipment wash waters.
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 04:18 PM
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swmays
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If you really had a pronghorn issue, you'd let me hunt them for free... Not if it creates a bigger "human" issue. I do let people I trust hunt pigs for free. But hunting pigs isn't really overly effective. High scale trapping and the helicopter hunts are the only real methods for reducing the population as far as I can tell. I hear you, I would think it would take more helicopters and traps than we could possibly do, maybe build a WALL Guys, I was just being a smart alec. Along the lines of "if you charge for pig hunts you don't have a pig problem..."
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
[Re: cabosandinh]
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03/22/17 05:10 PM
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How would poison only target hogs? lead poisoning would be target selective Helicopter is the only way that does any good. I'm saving my pennies for a Huey.
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 05:33 PM
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I know that hunting isn't an efficient means of control, but that's because of a number of factors. The pressure on the hogs is too inconsistent. I don't have a bad problem because I shoot every hog I see, when I see sign I hunt them. But just across the road is an absentee owner who puts zero pressure on hogs, and won't allow anyone else to either. I'm afraid that the poison will be similar. There will be too many "sanctuary" areas where no control is practiced, and the overall effect on the population won't be what some hope.
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 05:38 PM
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Also, some hunters and trappers aren't really practicing real control. I kill quite a few barrows every year, and while I know they can't contribute to the expansion of the population, cutting their balls off does absolutely zero to mitigate the property damage they are capable of.
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/22/17 10:42 PM
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How would poison only target hogs? lead poisoning would be target selective Helicopter is the only way that does any good. I'm saving my pennies for a Huey. that reminds me of that gun ship they used in nam
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/23/17 02:16 AM
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I make my money from ranching. I will never think poisoning food is a good idea.
Helicopter hours are cheap and worth the price.
Crotchety old bastidge
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Re: farmers & ranchers?
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03/23/17 03:12 AM
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I make my living farming rice and row-crops.
Battling hogs in my corn right now. They just go down the row and eat the seed out. Got some parts of the field where there's hardly any corn there. Very frustrating and just a hard pill to swallow.
As for poison goes, I don't think I agree with it. If there was a way that it would only stay in the hog and not mess with any other animals then I'd be in line to buy the stuff tomorrow morning.
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