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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5602860
02/16/15 11:11 PM
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shoots100
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Here's some pics of the T20 on my Recluse PCP. I had others, but for the ranges I'm shooting, this is more than enough. I've spotted animals out to 400 yards with it. Most times I'm using it in Low or Medium power and I've never had a problem with anything getting spooked by it's glow. With the PCP rifle, I try to keep my shots under 100 yards. It's lightweight, even with the QD mount.
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5602893
02/16/15 11:31 PM
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TomH FW
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Sure would like to hear the answer about whether red buttons versus black buttons means anything. I have black. Purchased early January.
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: TomH FW]
#5602919
02/16/15 11:45 PM
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cyberpyrot
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Sure would like to hear the answer about whether red buttons versus black buttons means anything. I have black. Purchased early January. Black buttons where the early release revision 1
I'm a terrible shot but I follow up with a grenade!
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: cyberpyrot]
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02/17/15 01:10 AM
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Beltfed
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Long time looker, first time poster. I've checked this thread and the one before it daily since the start of the 200 firmware. Which is what I'm currently running. I applaud all who went full .228 and decided it was crap for us all. With that said while I sit here awaiting the mystic release of the 2.0 firmware, I have a question. Does anyone else's IR drain CR123S if they are left in it for a few days? I've put two new sets of E.U.L. batteries in it just to find them dead a couple days later. The first time I thought "well maybe I didn't turn it off". But both times I remember turning it off and the second time I double checked it.
Last edited by Beltfed; 02/17/15 01:12 AM.
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Beltfed]
#5603212
02/17/15 01:34 AM
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mikei
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Beltfed, I was monitoring the batteries in the scope quite closely, but checked the IR illuminator's batteries earlier today and discovered they had totally discharged. I've used the illuminator about 15 minutes since I've owned the scope. Then I checked the two ATN SHOT TRAK HD cameras (that I haven't turned on in a couple of weeks) and discovered that in both of them the battery had completely discharged (BTW, I use lithium batteries all around). So the process to follow is: if you're not using the ATN device for hunting or target shooting, take the batteries out of them. I know that leaving batteries in place when not in use for extended periods of time is not a good idea, but I really think there's something wrong in the design of these products when they can take a battery down and out in just a matter of days. . .
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5603382
02/17/15 02:31 AM
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HuntTXhogs
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I left the X-sight in my truck last night and when I went to go to the store for beer today the truck battery was dead This is getting ridiculous!
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: HuntTXhogs]
#5603389
02/17/15 02:35 AM
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cyberpyrot
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I left the X-sight in my truck last night and when I went to go to the store for beer today the truck battery was dead This is getting ridiculous! You left the fish finder feature on.
I'm a terrible shot but I follow up with a grenade!
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5603485
02/17/15 03:12 AM
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Oldsnipr
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The ATN supplied IR killed 2 set of batteries in 1 week and was not used at all other than a few minutes of testing. Like you the first time I thought maybe I left it on. But the 2nd set only lasted 3 days and I made sure it was turned off. So yes there is something draining the batteries for sure. I just bought a T20 to replace it anyway.
On the other hand I've had the same set of lithiums in my x-sight for 2 weeks (with a very limited amount of testing, not more than 10 min total) and as of tonight they are still showing good. (no battery light) I'm currently on the dreaded .228 firmware but having regular fantasies of a totally working scope when the 2.0 arrives.
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5603501
02/17/15 03:18 AM
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VAFish
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Batteries have been in my IR for over a week and are still working fine.
"If your plan is for one year, plant rice. If your plan is for ten years, plant trees. If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children." -- Confucius
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: VAFish]
#5603967
02/17/15 02:13 PM
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deereguy
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Batteries have been in my IR for over a week and are still working fine. Same here...I have the supplied batteries in mine that have been in it a week now and they are fine...
Happy Hunting Bob
Disclosure: Pro Staff for Pulsar as of 8-3-2015 Pro Staff Predator Hunter Outdoors
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5604095
02/17/15 03:36 PM
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Beltfed
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Glad to know it's just defective, maybe I can get them to replace it. Or maybe upgrade me.. HA HA HA... ;-)
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5604346
02/17/15 06:02 PM
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Techna
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My ATN illuminator eats batteries when off, but my X-Sight does not. Not too worried about the illuminator because the T-20 based light I bought is significantly better.
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5604701
02/17/15 09:51 PM
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mikei
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Maybe ATN is a wholly owned subsidiary of Energizer Holdings, Inc. and they have no incentive to address premature battery failure issues. . .
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: s6275]
#5604725
02/17/15 10:10 PM
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s6275
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Rechargeables are not what ATN has recommended for the scope. However...Energizer Lithiums are. Huh.
Were you around when the last Sunday firmware promise was broken? It was named .228, and then after many had downloaded and installed, RE-named .228 beta. In spite of that, a company in the faraway land of England was gifted with the 2.0 beta. It is too soon to assume that the next firmware update will be all sunshine and rainbows. If you would read my post before commenting, you'd see that I got the battery recommendation from another X sight owner(not ATN) who had the same flickering issue. Key word Had. I tried the .228 version and then went back to the .200 version. I mounted it on a rifle, sighted it in and am using it in the field, in harsh conditions. It's still working. Please turn that frown upside down and have some hope that the newest version will work. If not, you can always download the .200 version again. I read your post. I mentioned my use of factory-recommended batteries because (in case you hadn't guessed) they are factory-recommended for a reason: lithium batteries tend to have a higher output, flatter discharge across their lifespan. When they die, they are suddenly dead. It is not likely that reduced output is causing my flickering...which I already told you. Did you read my post? We all want the product to work, but there is no defending the launch of the X-SiGHT (that is how it is printed in ghost black lettering on the side of my 3X). NONE. Let me give a quick example: I purchased my 3X just this past December 30. Two days later, I had secured an RMA to exchange it for a "manual focus retrofit." Two weeks later, they shipped me a new, manual-focus 3X, all indications being that I was the first to take delivery of the upgraded 3X. Are you following so far? In 2-3 weeks, I went from initial order to a new manual-focus 3X unit in hand: no 10-month preorder required for me. Fair? No. Just another example of a string of failures that have collapsed most people's confidence in anything stamped ATN. For a minute, lets assume you are somehow correct about my depleted Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries, which would typically mean a day or two from now (more than likely a day), the scope should not power on. We'll see, I guess...but I suspect it will. UPDATE: powered up fine today...and the flicker gremlin was gone in all modes. The scope is about 10 days out from making it a month static, and depending on how far out 2.0.00.xxx is, maybe it will get the chance to make it two months.
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5604806
02/17/15 11:05 PM
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HuntTXhogs
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There is a new thread over in the UK covering Armasight's latest IR product - the guy setup to sell those units has tested them head to head with T20 and the NM800 and says it falls in the middle performance wise but has ergonomic advantages. So as the research continues on IRs to try with the X-sight I am thinking the progression goes a little something like this Factory X-sight IR and Most other commercial IRs ---> T20 style IR and Surefire TACIR ---> T50 , T67 , Armasight XLR850 ---> Nightmaster NM800 ---> Bosch AEGIS Super LED ---> The Sun. Of course the above lacks marketing appeal and real world testing by me however Internet research and following the SHOT and British Shooting Show and what others are saying has to at least make you wonder how true it could be. With the amount of domestic and International followers coming through and reading this thread all we need are images from the next firmware updated X-sight and a baseline settings chart with photos and videos to start adding validity. Once the next firmware gets sorted and tested if the night mode settings are adjusted for "less contrast" I may contact my dealer and ask nicely if I can get a replacement unit.
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5605307
02/18/15 03:11 AM
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shoots100
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While the Armasight, nightmaster and Aegis are brighter, they are huge and impractical for most hunters needs. If your hunting from a stand with extended views , it would make sense to have a bigger IR. You could leave a car battery in the blind to power then up. I travel lite and hunt from multiple blinds. For me, The T20 is the perfect size and weight for hauling around and attaching to the scope.
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: shoots100]
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02/18/15 12:20 PM
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HuntTXhogs
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While the Armasight, nightmaster and Aegis are brighter, they are huge and impractical for most hunters needs. If your hunting from a stand with extended views , it would make sense to have a bigger IR. You could leave a car battery in the blind to power then up. I travel lite and hunt from multiple blinds. For me, The T20 is the perfect size and weight for hauling around and attaching to the scope. Don't get me wrong, my goal is to try and create or develop some graphical representations that make the IR lights easier to choose from so that it suits the consumer/hunters needs. Why is it that you can't go to a website and pull down a comparison chart on various makes and models FROM ALL MANUFACTUERS?
You can when buying a vacumn or vehicle! Bouncing off of one website to the next and fishing (phishing in a legal sense) around for the information and then wondering if the unit is configured correctly (power/driver/lens/etc) isn't the preferred way. Our field testing is where it is at and so making it available so that walk and stalks, long range scanners from blinds, and weekend warriors may all be served in choosing a best fit. Something like this but it needs to be validated and tested - oh and professionally done
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5605892
02/18/15 02:36 PM
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MGP
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I know others have had this problem I just had it happen again last night. The Screen has a pinkish tint to it but when I hit record it goes away and will stay away when stop recording. Not sure why but this never happened when I had first installed .200 then I installed .228 and went back to .200 and this pinkish screen started but its not all the time but seems to be getting worse.
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
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02/18/15 03:04 PM
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deereguy
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I just got a replacement because mine was pink all the time and showed up on the video. It was most noticeable during daylight and it didn't focus well during the day. The replacement has no pink tone at all and is very sharp to view through along with the video is sharper.
Happy Hunting Bob
Disclosure: Pro Staff for Pulsar as of 8-3-2015 Pro Staff Predator Hunter Outdoors
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
#5606088
02/18/15 04:10 PM
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Double Naught Spy
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Why is it that you can't go to a website and pull down a comparison chart on various makes and models FROM ALL MANUFACTUERS?
You can when buying a vacumn or vehicle! Well, let's see...more than 2 million vacuum cleaners are sold each year in the US alone. US auto sales were at 15.6 million vehicles in 2013. IR illuminator sales are how many thousand units per year? Nobody or no group considered to know what they are doing and is unbiased is doing such a study. It takes $ and time, as you know. Somebody could do a review and it might be read by a few hundred people, but isn't likely to be run by any of the major hunting or tactical rags, especially given that illuminator performance is perceived strikingly differently depending on the platform from which it is being viewed. So you would have to run through all the tests with various NV platforms for each illuminator at each power setting for each wavelength offered. So such a review, while it might be helpful to a limited number of people, would not offer much reward for the person doing all the work. Moreover, given the rate of illuminator offerings and changes, plus the changes to the NV field, such a study would be quickly out of date. That's why. However, should the illuminator issue be in another thread. What do illuminators have to do with Firmware update 228?
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: deereguy]
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02/18/15 04:14 PM
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MGP
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I just got a replacement because mine was pink all the time and showed up on the video. It was most noticeable during daylight and it didn't focus well during the day. The replacement has no pink tone at all and is very sharp to view through along with the video is sharper. Did you send back to ATN? for replacement Mine has black buttons
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
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02/18/15 04:42 PM
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deereguy
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No I bought mine though Amazon and they did the exchange with what they had in stock. Red buttons if that matters at all.
Happy Hunting Bob
Disclosure: Pro Staff for Pulsar as of 8-3-2015 Pro Staff Predator Hunter Outdoors
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Double Naught Spy]
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02/18/15 05:03 PM
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Why is it that you can't go to a website and pull down a comparison chart on various makes and models FROM ALL MANUFACTUERS?
You can when buying a vacumn or vehicle! Well, let's see...more than 2 million vacuum cleaners are sold each year in the US alone. US auto sales were at 15.6 million vehicles in 2013. IR illuminator sales are how many thousand units per year? Nobody or no group considered to know what they are doing and is unbiased is doing such a study. It takes $ and time, as you know. Somebody could do a review and it might be read by a few hundred people, but isn't likely to be run by any of the major hunting or tactical rags, especially given that illuminator performance is perceived strikingly differently depending on the platform from which it is being viewed. So you would have to run through all the tests with various NV platforms for each illuminator at each power setting for each wavelength offered. So such a review, while it might be helpful to a limited number of people, would not offer much reward for the person doing all the work. Moreover, given the rate of illuminator offerings and changes, plus the changes to the NV field, such a study would be quickly out of date. That's why. However, should the illuminator issue be in another thread. What do illuminators have to do with Firmware update 228? There has to be a solution, it is a lot of work. And please, PLEASE, don't make me open up yet another X-sight thread!!! Folks appear to be following along fine from the .200 to this .228 and the next... With what is reported on .228 it seems as though ATN limited the sensor so as it doesn't matter how much light you throw at it it just can't see far out BUT when and if that gets changed there may be legs to the IR discussion. I go to pickup my replacement X-sight today.
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: HuntTXhogs]
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02/18/15 05:35 PM
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When the new firmware is around, can't we please just make one thread for all suggestions, firmwares, issues and whatever there is, like "Owners of an ATN X-Sight, all included"
/MKL
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Re: X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.
[Re: Shadow357x2]
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02/18/15 05:42 PM
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HTXH:
Maybe the solution you seek is for a problem that doesn't really exist.
DNS has it right. A wide ranging and comprehensive test would be expensive to perform and very time consuming. The results would be out of date about a week after the report was issued. Everything is changing too fast to make it worth it. There are some new LED's in the coming mix. Let alone the rapidly advancing sensor market. The day isn't all that far off that an illuminator would not be needed. You also added that it would need to be done by a professional which throws another wrench in the works. There just isn't enough value in it to warrant the cost and effort.
Regardless, pretty much all reviews on anything are tainted by some bias.
I know you don't want to start another thread, but I really think all the illuminator talk is off base in this thread. You just said the issue is with the firmware which isn't news. So, why run around having everyone think a bigger illuminator is the answer to the dim viewfinder issue?
BTW, I do have the new Armasight illuminator and doubler (it is excellent), several T50's,several T67 models, T78, Torch Pro, Super Tac IR and a variety of others...but my go to is the T20 style because it does an excellent job while being compact and light weight.
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