X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update.

Probably fitting since the update.

nice I will be home soon to start testing and record some footage.

Noticed that the compass is now trying to calibrate. I didnt give it chance as I personally dont need it and shut it down.
Bdc is set on mine but will test in a bit.
Normal and extended zoom available, I like the normal as I dont see me needing the extended.

Well hurry up and get to burning powder....

If anyone gets stuck at 100% and the scope doesnt function please refer to .200
page 1 for how to correct it.
2 updates in a row and same issue but very vorrectable.

HTXH also has instructions there as well if you want to do it via wifi.

Did they publish what the update is supposed to do?

I havent seen it, maybe someone else has and will chime in.

I've mentioned this a few times to ATN (revision logs) and I don't find one for any thus far.

For those of you evaluating the new firmware I just spoke with the tech representative and I can tell you this much.

The selection of 3x vs 5x is critical to operating BDC as implemented on the x-sight the selection obviously needs to match you scope and basically it effect calculations based on variances of the lens types.

The blue T will remain stationary and represents your original point of aim (zero) and you'll notice the reticle now floats based on your orientation and handling of the scope I.e. Realtime ballistic calculation and movement of crosshairs.

The only way to know if it works and is effective will be at the shooting range so report back here if you have the ability to stretch out the gun and vary your elevations.

In my opinion I believe the feature is more geared towards the daytime use of the x-sight as it is primarily designed as a day optic BUT that's not to say that it won't have a use at night 100 yards and in ...

Instructions will be published in the future for how to change your wifi ssid and password to something unique.

That's all from here, back home to TX tomorrow.

Hey Shadow, mine keeps freezing at 100. Where are the directions?

On the update if it gets stuck @ 100% ATN stated to try to power down with the hard button. If tht dowsnt work (in my case) pull the batteries and wait 30 seconds, pull sd card. power back up and it will update.

I fully understand what you are saying above and agree.

The one thing I get get into my puny brain is what bullet is this geared for? Anytime Ive ever had a bdc reticle is was always caliber specific as well as bullet weight. I see velocity and range but without the above mentioned how is the obsidian calculating the drop?

I will be out in the back yard Friday (weather permitting) testing out the bdc with several different bullet weights as well as two different calibers to see what transpires. I can only go 300yds but that is more than enough to see how well it works.

Hi Guys, the instructions are in the manual on line to change your network SSid now. Also on the firmware update it says beta version, was that on the last update?

http://manual.atncorp.com

Under, (LIGHT AMPLIFICATION)..
Has anyone else lost the HIGH setting?? I can toggle between low and medium but High is blank.

I didnt loose High under Light Amp, But I did loose my compass, Lol

Lol. I guess u tried powering down and back up? I turned mine off. This thing is loaded with novelty items I won't use. It will do everything except be used as a rifle scope right now. We NEED that zero firmware.

Yea, I just did a factory reset and now I have it all. I ran it thru the WIFI and the app for the I phone does not get the cross hairs on mine. Whats odd is now in the scope at the display in has a timer counting down as you have the app running. I don't remember that from before. Also looks like you can record with the app running. Hopefully the numbers for zero remain the same. Also I don't have the flicker in day or night mode so far. Too soon to really tell. This all may be part of the Beta. Let me know if you all get the cross hairs on the tablet or phone.

Yes I have that counter also. Not sure if it's a counter for time powered on or time on the app. And no, my reticle does not show on my iphone app. Just FYI, I rechecked my zero with my boresight again, from before the download and my zero was way different. So I had to zero again. Before the download it left the screen at 1X, now it leaves the screen at 2.5X

I wonder if the zero numbers at 100 yards are going to be different that before the update. I wrote those numbers down and put them in. I guess I better go to the range over the weekend and check.

I emailed atn support with that question. When I hear back I will post here.

Yes they are different. I wrote my X/Y numbers down before this update and bore sighted again and they had changed dramatically.....

Hence my last post......."Just FYI, I rechecked my zero with my boresight again, from before the download and my zero was way different. So I had to zero again. Before the download it left the screen at 1X, now it leaves the screen at 2.5X"

Oh, Sorry. I was half asleep when I read your post. I dont have a bore sighter so i guess I will have a excuse to go to the range and play.

Ha no worries my friend. And a boresight will save you a lot of headache. U can get an inexpensive one at Dicks. You don't have to go to the range to sight your scope in.

What is the brand you use, I have a Dicks right down the street. But you see Im married with Kids. I need excuse's

They have 2 or 3 diff kinds. I have a Sightmark. Good quality.

Annnndd I am too... I took her to look at pink AR's... She wants one now

Lol, Hmmmm, I wonder if that would work for me.

I have not seen the BDC in the menu yet, where is it?

FYI if you are having problems with downloading firmware..

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10152748839741925&id=340487881924

Under the settings menu.

I think I've only seen one or two people post no flickering with the .228 download. I def do not have flickering in day or night mode so far.

Speaking with ATNs tech rep about flickering yesterday he had this to say.

It is definitely software related but the solution is very involved and is at the top of their priority list for a future firmware fix.

That said it has to do with core synchronization and refresh rates that make it NO trival task to fix.

So if you aren't seeing flickering with your x-sight it is probably just a result of the ambient lighting and other environmental conditions or settings your running at the time - it isn't that your scope is different or special in any way and that it won't flicker the very next time you use it.

Ohhh HuntTXhogs, what do they know, I bought a 700 dollar Altimeter from them. Lol

The tech guys to my knowledge don't get on here to provide info so getting the word from the horses mouth still qualifies as superior to anything you'll read on the Internet, here or anywhere else.

Guy was smart and had to reduce it down to terms I could understand but when you lock eyes and he says it is definitely software related (flickering) then that means there is hope in getting it done eventually without a need to ship scopes off for repair.

Who is going to do the video review or instructional on the BDC feature - I call NOT IT

Marvelous; absolutely marvelous. They know the problem; they know it's no trivial matter to fix; it's on their short list of things to fix in the future.

Obviously a pre 228 firmware video but nonetheless a video I hadn't seen.

At minute mark 2:14 I am writhing in my chair thinking SHOOT for the double kill....

Nice and clean/clear! Wonder what the yardage and zoom was....

LOL, the yardage was 30 meters as stated at the top of the video.

There are a lot of pieces to this that are very difficult and will take time. Flip side, their "tech" guy told me last year in their SHOT Show booth that they had tested the X-Sight and it could see 200 yards with no illuminator. Be careful about what they tell you.

I'm not seeing where is says that

It doesn't. That is what their tech guy said in the booth last January. Reading is fundamental.

Lol

Since installing .228, I now have experienced a problem, twice, with rapid battery discharge. In both cases, I have turned the device off for a few hours, and then, when I attempt to turn it back on, I get a "flash" on the viewing screen, and then total darkness. Pulling the batteries, I discover that the two batteries that are installed with the negative ends sticking out are totally dead; the other two are perfectly OK! Is anyone else having this problem? Any suggestions on how to fix it? I'm using Energizer Ultimate Lithiums, fresh out of their packaging.

I was messing with mine 3 days ago and left the batteries in over night and I kept the WiFi on (turned off the scope) (I was messing with view finder on my phone). When I went to turn on the X-Sight the next night, the batteries were totally dead (again Energizer Ultimate Lithiums!). I unscrew the battery housing for now on.....$25 for 8 batteries can put a hurtN on the wallet!

I have never encountered a consumer-facing company that was willing to publicly post beta-grade, potentially incomplete/ unstable firmware, let alone NOT leaving a stable release available for those who aren't willing to take the risk of beta firmware causing damage to their property. Labeling the firmware "beta" could potentially allow a company to merely state to those customers "Well, you know, you DID agree to install potentially unstable beta firmware."

By Tuesday, I am supposed to be receiving my replacement 3x with manual focus, and I will be honest: this company is getting no satisfaction from me as I will not be installing anything from them that they have labeled "beta." I will unbox it. I will put batteries in it. I will look through it. I will familiarize myself with it, and I will report back here with both the shipping firmware version and my battery life findings after a week of this type of limited use. Afterward, the plan is to put a brand new set of lithium batteries in, and not touch the scope until the first firmware revision AFTER 2.0.00.000 is released, so we will have some measure of what kind of "standby" time to expect. Otherwise, it will live in the bag, and I have no intent of mounting it on my rifle until 2.0.00.whatever is released. If it's a month or a year, so be it.

For the record, when *I* downloaded the firmware, there was no indication on the website that it was "beta" grade. In the future, I will take a screenshot in case I need a paper trail. Honestly, their addition of the "beta" label that wasn't originally there made me uneasy. Did anybody else notice that they added it later?

I know what's next: some blowhard is about to come along and say "Relax..."beta" doesn't NECESSARILY mean you will experience any instability or damage."

My Trijicon Accupoint features NO night vision, NO recording ability, and one other thing: NO chance of not working when I need it. I might be the first person to receive a manual focus-equipped ATN X-Sight 3x...but unfortunately I am NOT going to be the first person to use it. They need to get their ducks in a row before I am willing to take any more chances.

Yeah, Pittstate, I had my scope, all functions, completely turned off for a few hours, and discovered that two of the (brand new, fresh) batteries had become totally discharged. Obviously there are battery-consuming functions (or a short!)going on in the background, even when the scope is powered off. There's something seriously wrong with this product when the customer has to remember to remove the batteries from it every time it is not in use!

....and if it comes loaded from the factory with 228 I assume you'll rollback to 200?

200 was probably Beta as well, just not published as such

I downloaded .228 when it was posted and so far I have not seen the battery drain you describe. I have had my scope off and on several times and the batteries have not drained. I am also using the Energizer Lithiums.

Good afternoon Gents, I am having some issues with the WiFi. The new "name your SSID" directions listed in the updated manual show how you can customize the Name and Password. My problem is I have not had the WiFi function working as of the last update .200 and thought this one would fix it. When I open my file wifi.conf, it is blank...empty... leaving nothing to edit and is why I think the obsidian core is not turning on my WiFi function. I tried to duplicate the text from the manual and it had some error and eventually I came to the conclusion it was incomplete. Can someone, who has a working WiFi version copy and paste the complete text from inside the config file or message me to exchange emails so I can get a non-corrupted version of the file. I would like the WiFi function to work. Thanks

If it comes factory loaded with .228, there won't be any chance of them blaming me for installing something still in a testing phase.

pretty much anything is beta until its final when you really think about it lol, but final may be awhile as it appears other things can be added that weren't advertised, works for me, not sure how they did the firmware, doubt you can brick the scope

I guess Sachal will give us a update sometime next week after shot show is history. I guess as it has been said a few times. We are in for a wild roller coaster ride owning this scope. May the force be with us...

deer at 7o yards, unfortunately didn't get any night video, nothing showed up.

Watch in HD, recorded right before dark:

Tworod on here told me that even his GoPro will drain the batteries when it is turned off, but Wifi is still on. I guess the Wifi continues to stay on while devices are turned off. Solution is to have the Wifi option turned off before shutting down the scope.

Anyone able to help me with the WifI issue I listed above? This is the image of the text I need copied but I need all of it from the WiFi.config file. I have emailed tech support as well. Just working multiple avenues to get it fixed. Im look for someone to copy and paste it in the open forum or in private message. Thank you!


This is the text from the manual:
2.11. Customize the Name and password of SSID

Customize the Name and password of SSID

Create the WiFi config file. This step is performed only once
Insert an SD card, power up the device and turn on the WiFi.
Wait for the WiFi icon appear and remove the card.

For every device that needs to be updated

1. On the SD card open and edit the following text file:

/MISC/wifi.conf

2. Find the line that starts with AP_SSID (most likely line number 26) and change it
from: AP_SSID=atn_obsidian
to: AP_SSID=
and save the wifi.conf file

NOTE
There are several other lines that have keys with the value “atn_obsidian.” Do not confuse them, you are only changing the AP_SSID.

3. Start the device with the SD card inserted.
4. Start the WiFi if it’s not currently running.
5. It is now safe to remove the SD card (the new SSID is saved in the device’s internal memory).

I haven't updated to the new software yet. When I boresighted and then zeroed the scope on my rifle, the crosshairs are in the bottom half of the screen and will disappear totally if I magnify the scope. Does anyone know if the new software will help restore the crosshairs to the center of the scope. I read that ATN was addressing the issue.

Pittstate, I checked the WiFi and the GPS to make sure they are both shut down every time I power off, so as far as I could tell, there was NOTHING running!

No it doesnt.

Went to Victoria this weekend with the X sight for a test run. While no animals were hurt while using the x sight a few things were learned running the latest firmware.

Batteries run down like an ice cream cone in July regardless of brand or chemical makeup. I have converted to Dollar General Heavy Duty and they last as long as anything else I have tried and they cost just over 5 bucks for 20 of them. (1 hour of up time with ability to take pictures or video, can get 30 min more up time but not enough juice for pictures/video)
Regardless this is an issue that needs attention.

With the new firmware I noticed if I am in night mode/green screen and power off the scope and then power back on the scope is in what I would call a hybrid state. Not night/green or day, image is a grainy red color, the menu indicates I am in night green. When I cycle through the menu to day mode then back to night/green issue goes away. Happened every time over the trip. I did not use night/white mode to see if same issue, next trip.

Flickering is only in Low light magnification mode, medium and high are flicker free with new firmware.

While setting 0 during the day I had some shift in 0 as I zoomed from 1x, at 3x, hits moved up and left about 2 inches. When I moved back to 1x and bullets went where expected. Did not go beyond 3x due to loss of reticle on screen. Maybe and issue that will be addressed with the floating reticle.

A couple of pics of various distances (laser verified before darkness fell) from the blind I was in. IR-K2 + was used for illumination, all taken at 1x zoom.

87yards,


133yards


166yards



Bottom line: Some frustration with functionality, but I am keeping on the rifle and will be using again next weekend. As they say "results may vary and no guarantee of future results" but these were my results in the field.

"grainy red color" I got that in night white. Happened a couple times I just powered off and powered back on and its gone.

Fumbles, I hope this helps.

##### Wifi configuration file ##########################################
## Empty lines and lines starting with # are ignored
# ap: SoftAP mode
# sta: Station mode
# p2p: Enable Wifi Direct Support for peer-to-peer connectibity
WIFI_MODE=ap

##### STA mode configuration ##########################################
# SSID
ESSID=atn_obsidian
# Passphrase. Leave empty at no security mode; please edit wpa_supplicant.conf when your AP cannot be detected
PASSWORD=atn_obsidian
# Device Name for AMBA Discovery Protocol (optional)
STA_DEVICE_NAME=amba-1

##### Wifi Direct configuration ##########################################
# Find devices with correct name prefix and automatically connect at startup
P2P_AUTO_CONNECT=yes
# Auto-connect with devices if the name prefix matches
P2P_CONNECT_PREFIX=amba
# Do not enable this optional field unless you are certain, please provide a unique name amoung multiple devices to prevent confusion
#P2P_DEVICE_NAME=amba-1

##### SoftAP configuration ##########################################
# SSID (1 ~ 32 characters)
AP_SSID=atn_obsidian
# IP address
LOCAL_IP=192.168.42.1
# IP subnet mask
LOCAL_NETMASK=255.255.255.0
# IP pool starting address of DHCP server
DHCP_IP_START=192.168.42.2
# IP pool end address of DHCP server
DHCP_IP_END=192.168.42.6
# Wifi channel number, set 0 to use Auto Channel Selection
AP_CHANNEL=0
# Maximum number of stations allowed in station table
AP_MAXSTA=5
# If you say yes here, all WPA/WEP settings will be ignored
AP_PUBLIC=no
# WPA Passphrase (8 ~ 63 characters)
AP_PASSWD=atn_obsidian

##### Advanced WPA configuration ##########################################
## Do not modify this section unless you are certain
# This is a bit field, bit0 = WPA, bit1 = WPA2
WPA_VERSION=2
# This is a space separated list of encryption algorithms, TKIP CCMP
WPA_PAIRWISE=CCMP

##### Advanced WEP configuration ##########################################
## Do not modify this section unless you are certain
# If you say yes here, AP_PASSWD, WPA_VERSION, WPA_PAIRWISE will be ignored
AP_WEP=no
# Bit fields of allowed authentication algorithms, bit 0 = Open System, bit 1 = Shared Key
AUTH_ALGS=1
# The key number to use when transmitting. It must be between 0 and 3, and the corresponding key must be set.
WEP_DEFAULT_KEY=0
# A key may be a quoted string (5 or 13 characters) or unquoted hexadecimal digits (10 or 26 digits), depending on whether 64-bit or 128-bit WEP is used
WEP_KEY0=1234567890
WEP_KEY1="vwxyz"
WEP_KEY2=0102030405060708090a0b0c0d
WEP_KEY3=".2.4.6.8.0.23"

Eyesofahunter - The cheap batteries are prolly OK for viewing/recording (or could be your grainy red issue), but just wanted to alert you that they may cause the scope to shut down under recoil.

Keep the info coming!

Got it tonight a couple of times. Switched between light amplification levels and it went away.

I am not trying to "beat a dead horse" but tonight I saw an ad on my Facebook page for the X-Sight so I clicked on it. It took me to B & H Photo & Video. Please check this link:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1030881-REG/atn_dgwsxs518a_x_sight_smart_technology_hd.html

We (now) all know the many issues with the X-Sight. But the US distributors apparently don't know or don't care because they continue to describe features that the sight simply does not have. B & H is a large distribution channel, you'd think ATN would have them change the web page to reflect the truth about the current working features or say it's in Beta testing or something? So others who are looking to buy a scope will fall for the same BS I did (thinking all the advertised features actually worked! The is at best irresponsible and at worst bordering on criminal misrepresentation!

Yes the technology is new, yes they are trying to fix it but why continue to put out false claims of performance and untrue advertisement? It's just plain dishonest which causes me to question ATN's integrity!

They continue to tell bald face lies to consumers and somehow no one is supposed to call them on it? Just be honest so that those that buy an X-sight at least know what to expect!

Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for. Unfortunately it didn't fix my WiFi problem.

Thank you for posting the CONF file for Wifi. Frankly, I have found this one document FAR more telling about the X-Sight's capabilities than anything.

I find it interesting that they can have the Wifi operate in P2P mode. This is how the Android apps work, most likely - but more importantly, it's also possible that this is one way that additional 'accessory' devices could communicate with the scope.

I had wondered if ATN would, in the future, introduce additional devices that could interface with the X-sight wirelessly.
This is an intriguing notion, and it seems from the CONF file that the X-sight should be perfectly capable of joining a "Personal Area Network" of devices. That frees up a lot of options.

However, there's a downside to all this 'convenience'; the issue of battery life. By the comments in this thread and others, is something of a wild card variable at this time. (IE: we dont really know what to expect in terms of expected battery life). If anyone here has some experience in electronics, I would love to know if there's a way to test the current draw of the X-Sight under various conditions (features on/off, scope on/off, day/night, high/low amplification, etc).

So far, the discussion is mostly about current features (whether they work or not, etc). For me, the one issue I think about a lot, is the logistics of feeding all these things to keep this system running at peak performance. It's the same issue the US military is running into right now. The soldier marches on his stomach, but his gadgets march on Milliamp-Hours.

If no one else has the time or willing, I may try to do these tests when I receive mine.


Edit: - This should be possible by powering on the X-Sight from batteries, switching to external micro-USB power, then removing batteries. This is the most reliable way to test anyway, because the most likely means of supplying extended battery life is with an external battery pack, which would probably connect via USB anyway.

I have about 50 rounds through the rifle with the X sight mounted and I have had no issues with recoil and scope operation, then again 5.56 is not exactly a beast. I do make sure the battery cover is tight. I was feeling rich last night so I dropped in my last set of Li batteries and power cycled the scope and same issue, good thought and worth the try.

Glad I am not the only one with this issue, last night I tried white mode and same issue as you. Thank you for the confirmation.

Uhm...

...if the X-Sight operated in infrastructure mode, you'd need a router to use it with the app. I wouldn't read too much into that it operates in P2P mode, since P2P/ ad-hoc mode is the only thing that makes any sense. I am not planning to take a router with me. Are you?

Please DON'T reply by saying that the phone could/ does function as the router. You will only prove that you only THINK you know what you're talking about.

I am very surprised that ATN posted instructions for modifying configuration files. More than likely, those files can be opened with Microsoft Word, but NEED to be saved as "plain text," and while I haven't read those instructions, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't crystal clear about the nuances of editing and re-saving plain text configuration files.

Just for laughs, can someone tell me if ATN even recommends making backups of those files before editing them?

I don't think I would mess with those files, Fumbles: I think you may have to send your scope in. That wifi stuff may be something embedded in the scope as I can format my SD card and if I do not turn on WIFI the file does not show up on the card. If I turn it on just for a second it come up on the card. Your scope may not have been programed right from the beginning. Did you happen to do a firmware update yet just to see if it come up, I think you may have said you did but Im to lazy to look thru the thread. Let us know if you hear back from ATN regarding that issue.

http://manual.atncorp.com/2-graphic-user-interface/2-11-customize-the-name-and-password-of-ssid/

Yeah...NO mention of file formats or the necessity of saving as a plain-text .conf file. Wow. Gluttons for punishment, I guess.

Anyone else experience this? Updated the X-Sight to 288. The image is dimmer at night. I have a backpack full of nothing but illuminators. Nothing affects it. When I first turn the scope on it is bright, but dims down over ~15 seconds. Take the same illuminator/s off and place them on my Photon XT setting next to it and it is crazy bright. I get the same bright/dim effect by lowering and raising my lens cap.

Am wondering if something in the new firmware allowing the display of the reticle in the recording has affected the perceived brightness. I don'thave the 200 firmware with me to back up and prove out if it is the new firmware.

The original prototype we had was worlds different than this.

Hey...be patient. It might take two years, but they will solve all of your problems.

Don't forget...you DID install incomplete, potentially unstable beta firmware on your scope. There is nothing to be frustrated by because you asked to be a tester by voluntarily purchasing a new product. Do you disagree? Ask MoShootr.

Well, come to think of it, I didn't see the microwave oven buttons either.

I’m a new member to the forum who happens to own an ATN X-Sight 5-18 rifle scope on a Ruger SR-762 308/7.62.This combo has produced ½ inch groups at 100 yards using hand loads one of my hunting buddy loads for me.

I thought I’d share a few of my experiences after using it for 10 nights over the last month.
I’m still running .200 firmware although I plan to update to .228 once I save my current zero setting using a laser bore sight at 25 feet and save the X&Y values. I didn't do that before updating to .200 and I had to go the range. I called ATN support before the firmware update and they assured me the zero wouldn't change…. But it did. Zero went up 6 inches high for me.

I have the scope with the black/white push buttons. It’s likely an earlier model since my scope doesn't have a serial number on it. Very strange but ATN said a copy of my receipt will serve as my warranty.

I have the same issues as folks are reporting on the forum
• Reticle not centered on the screen. It sits just south of center.
• Drifting reticle during zoom – goes to bottom then off the screen. Saw someone reported the drift doesn't change POI – great news and I will test it this weekend
• Scope shutoff after shooting – tightened down the battery cover fixed it
• Batteries quickly dying – I shut off all options except when I use them.
• I went to Duracell DC 1500 NiMH @ 2450mAH rechargeable batteries. I have spare batteries and I replace them with fully charged batteries every time I come in from a hunt. Seems excessive but it works for me. I also carry a spare set at all times.
• Intermittent Reddish/Pink screen in all intensity modes. Since I’ve taken to replacing the batteries more often, I haven’t seen a reoccurrence of this issue.
• NV clarity and distance – I was only getting about 90-100 yards of visibility initially. I adjusted the IR in elevation that helped some but the greatest improvement was moving it as close as I could to the front of the rifle barrel. The longest shot I have around a feeder is 185 yards and I can pick up the body of a raccoon at that distance now.
• Testing other IR’s cause we all want more range visibility – I’ve tested the Streamlight IR TLR-1 69150 which I estimate increases light (and therefor distance) maybe 20 – 25% (sorry no scientific measurement here simply my eyesight). I’m not sure if the improvement is worth $150 to me based on my lease setups. I would like to test the UNV20IR. The forum and general feedback indicates this IR will produce good improvements.
• Daytime use – works fine and will knock your game down but it’s not premium glass (Zeiss and Schmidt and Bender on my other rifles and Leica Bino’s).

Like other X-Sight owners on the forum, I look forward to ATN resolving our existing issues and adding more enhancements to the scope. IMO, this is a wonderful NV product especially at its current price point. Heck, B&H lists them $584 – fantastic price!

Is anyone using RCR123 rechargeable batteries for their IR? I’d sure like a battery recommendation. I assume we need a 3v instead of 3.7v batteries to keep from blowing up LED’s.


I look forward to reading hunter experiences posted on the forum and sharing some of mine.

I thought my scope did start bright then dim somewhat during the first 15 seconds or so but not a huge amount in my case. Regarding old firmware vs. current and over all brightness I did not take pictures to compare but I do not think my scope is much darker with 228 installed.

That...makes no sense either.

Anyone experience this? So I installed the .228 firmware, then put it on my desk to hold my papers down. Anyone?

I love the idea of seeing how fast I could walk from one place to another with it, but it doesn't work. Oh and I took it to the top of the hill in my neighborhood to see what altitude I was at. Ah and it was so cool bc everywhere I turned it showed I was facing north... How cool is that!

I was gonna use it to like hunt with or something but it won't do that.

I've loaded the new firm ware on my micro sd same one I've used in the past. It won't recognize it. Formatted it redown loaded it. I've even recorded on it records fine. But now I'm stuck with the factory settings and firmware. I'm about fed up with this pos

DWF ,
I thought that it was my eyes but did the same as you did and changed illuminators and went to my Photons and my Gen 1s with the same results you mentioned. Tried the different power levels of brightness to no avail.
With both my gen1 and the photons its like a spotlight as it should be. You know the illuminator Im using and its no sloutch.

Im sure your loading the file called xsight.bin and not xsight(1).bin ? Have you tried a differnt sd card? It doesnt have to be the high speed one just to load firmware.

Too bad about starting this new board. We had covered a lot of this on the .200 board.

For the person that is really interested and wishes to know there is a search function, and they can go there for the info. this is for the .228 update that keeps us all current. The .200 thread is still there and open for viewing the last time I checked.
For the lazy then I guess they have issues.

Ha Ha, Mine is working on its way to be a paper weight as well. If anyone needs the 200 firmware I still have it saved in my computer just IM me and I will get it to you. In fact I will be down grading mine tonight as well as I did notice the battery drain as well. Be nice to hear from ATN as to what is going on or where there thinking is. Funny they created a Q&A on there fb page and did nothing with it. I do want to Thank Scott Country as it seems they are staying on top of ATN trying to get answers. Said my piece..

I think is great they started this new board as we can address all the new issues for 228, Im sure Sachel will be happy to see all this.

Thanks... Like other items we have discussed you start thinking it is something you are doing wrong. I checked and re-checked...went through all of the settings. Tried multiple powerful IR's (one like yours). Nothing. The .228 dimmed it down. I have the 200 at home and will back up to confirm. Thanks again, your response was helpful.

Already reverted back to the .200 last night and it is back to normal. I did do a factory reset as well when I reverted back to the .200.
With the .228 I didnt do a reset but will tonight and test it all out again.

I just received my x sight in the mail today. Been following this sight for sometime now.after reading it seems like firmware .228 isn't stable. Is there any way any of you good guys could get me a copy of the .200?

pm me your email and Ill send it to you.

Thanks! Glad to know you got the brightness back.

Thanks

Im knocking on wood Mine has been working perfect I shot 2 coyotes last night at 116 yards.
Ill add pics when photobucket is working

ETA: I did have to turn my brightness down to 4 and put it on low instead of medium

Ahhhh heck no -

We don't want pictures, we want video of the yote kills

Lol It's friggin killing me .. ATN STILL has their ad up on their web page that shows a perfectly working Gyroscope AND downloading firmware by smart device lol. Huh?? Smart device WIFI firmware download?? The instructions say use a mini SD card.? You all that are having a perfectly working 5-18 getting those features?




And this one really got me (In a digital world, why settle for anything less):



Well, because anything less would probably work correctly.

Not fair, and absolutely no fair to those who are viewing ATN's website that still displaying false claims on their product.

Just sayin..

What? Yours don't do any of that?

Heck no, I got a special X-Sight. MINE tells time.. that's right it tells time. annnnd de-charges batteries quicker than anything on the market. Don't be jealous.

I just got the new update too:

Ha Ha, Now that is a good one.

I got mine to work. I had to turn my unit on and off like 50 times to get the update prompt. I've used the same card the entire time and all the updates. Not the card not the name I think it's my sd slot.

Sorry guys I got too excited and forgot to hit record.

That's understandable MGP - glad you blooded the X-sight.

Did you catch this pair on the run or were they stationary at the time of the shots?

I've been awaiting video of running yotes as viewed on an X-sight to see if the image is smooth or otherwise.

Makes me cold just looking at those yotes.

They were on the roadkills we put out for them. I dropped the female then the male came back to see what happened and it was a fatal mistake on his part. Lol

Lol its not too bad its 19 right now and snowing and were getting up to 3ft of snow by tomorrow.
Last year my father shot 15 coyotes himself on his property. Ive shot many coyotes but that's my first double.

Congrats on the yote kills!

Thanks im just kicking myself that I didn't record. Ill just take an extra second next time and record. Lol

Nice shooting!!

I killed a coyote with my 5-18 scope.



I took the scope and threw it and hit him in the head. Scope worked perfectly.

Heres a vid but looking through the scope is clearer than the video
distance is 116 yards
http://vid1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee441/mgp11/ATNX0001%20Coyote_zpsx3l9al4l.mp4

This one was 10 days ago.

Did you hit it?

I posted on one of the threads regarding this sight a few months ago. I’m blind and looking for a scope I can plug into a tablet using mini USB or mini HDMI so a person can look at the screen beside me and give me aiming instructions vs. looking over my shoulder. At the time someone plugged the x-sight into their tablet and told me the feature didn’t work. Can someone with the updated software please try this for me? Thanks in advance.

For those of you needing the 200 bin here it is. xsight 200 bin
Nothing has been modified in it with the exception of the file name , it is the same as when I downloded it.
Change 200.bin to xsight.bin , follow the update procedures.
If you revert back it is your choice, I wont be held responsible if something goes wrong.
Have fun
Hopefully we will get a decent update next time.

Blind Cowboy - I tried it the other day using a micro USB to HDMI and it worked great. I think the idea of doing this is really cool!

The rest of the scope has issues right now and only time will tell if they ever get it right.

And here is all the releases of X-sight firmware, only renamed
with versions.
https://app.box.com/s/kabfjqdhem34k03c30st

/MKL

Wow MrKingLouie, That is awesome.

Just dropped off. Sun shade installed. I will poke around with it once it comes up to ambient temp.



Red buttons, manual focus. For everything requiring power, the jury is still out until later this evening. I am NOT installing .228, so thanks for not asking.

My first act will be to confirm the shipping firmware version. Second, I am going to drop in some brand new lithium batteries, and run it dry. Probably shouldn't look for any updates from me until tomorrow about this time.

Looks nice. Congrats

Yeah...we'll see.

Got my replacement 5x in the mail today. Mount looks straight on this one.

New update for Android obsidian app, version 1.13, available at Google play store.

Installed brand new batteries. Firmware .174 shipped on my manual focus 3x. I left it on, and I will check it in one hour.

Do you see any differences with the app.? Did they list the changes? I looked up the I phone app and no updates yet.

Thanks.

Ewww the dreaded 174 firmware that doesn't track POI correctly throughout the zoom range.

You going to hunt it like that?

I'm nervous about updating this new scope because the night vision doesn't flicker with this version.

What version?

They all flicker - put it in low light amplification and shoot some IR out there and tell me whatcha see.

Flicker to be resolved in upcoming updates

Nope. It lives in the bag until 2.0.00.firstupdateafterversiontwo.

Are the 3x-12 coming with the sunshade? Im thinking I might just get a Photon 4.6 XT for my 17HMR I cant believe how clear my fathers is.

Mine came with the sun shade shown in the picture.

Guys
Just wanted to share this update with you. I just got back to the office and the issues with the new firmware were brought up to my attention. I am definitely going to be bringing this issue up and have a solution for you guys as quickly as possible.

Thanks a bunch Sachal

Just received my 5-18' loaded .228 on it and went to the range. Mounted on a 6.8 that shoots pretty well (1 MOA) I had some troubles.

Shooting off a bench, at each shot the image would shut off for 2-3 seconds (restart?) then return. After 3-5 shots, it would disappear and require a reset before I could get the video back (battery lid off then on). It also looked like the zero would walk 1-1.5 MOA up and 1/4moa right with each shot until the reset, at which time it would return to the original zero. So, for a ten shot string I had three groups, all about an inch in size, with shot 1,4,7,10 in first, 2,5.8 in second, and 3,6,9 in third.

Not sure if this is a hardware or firmware problem (or both). Zoom stayed at 1x throughout. Mount is solid.

Make sure battery lid is really tight. Alot of us had that happen. As for the other problems, I had not experienced those.

OK Guys,

just did some testing myself. I took 2 scopes, one with 223 version and the other one was with the new beta 228 version.

People have mentioned that when you turn on the night vision mode it dims the image down. Yes, that is true. The sensor is adjusting the brightness to give you more contrast. Even though you all want brighter image, better contrast allows you to see better at night.

Second, as for the BDC, guys it is a beta version. It is going to improve once we transition over to the new Software development kit.

Compass, it is in the manual that once you turn on the scope, spin it couple of times to calibrate the compass or leave it an it will automatically find the right direction.

Scope being stuck at 100% and nothing happening. Guys, again it is in the manual and advised to do a hard reset - taking off the cap and rebooting the scope. As much as I hate this procedure, it will be addressed and you wouldnt have to do a hard reset.

What else am I missing?

Flashing, it is the number #1 thing on our list once we transition over to the new SDK. No point fixing it on the current SDK.

If you are seeing this sort of grouping, please check the mount. Might look tight but it could be slightly loose.

Th biggest issue is still the off center reticle, with zoom. I know ATN keeps saying they are fixing it. But that really needs to be on top of the list. After that then I think we all can agree for more bells and whistles. Right now I can zoom to about 3.5 and my reticle is at the top right edge of the screen. Again Thank you very much for jumping back into these issues.

+1

Seriously Sachal? You just got back and the issues with the new software were brought up to your attention? So when ATN created the .228 BETA firmware, it was just sent out without testing? Don't appease us, your whole company knew it wasn't a workable download but sent it anyway. It's why you labeled it Beta. It was to appease us and hold the buyers/owners out until you came up with a fix, instead of being honest and professional by just keeping us informed more than popping in once a month to say absolutely nothing.

Their are a lot of ways to handle the marketing on this and the articulation to have you get on a Texas Hunting Forum Board to throw out a pretty meaningless post that angers more than it helps to understand wth you guys are doing at ATN. Instead of posting what we already know, why aren't your marketing professionals posting on your Q&A or on your web page or on FB? You are on here because of a lot of negative feedback. If your hearing us like you say, you would have listened and reacted to the MULTIPLE posts about keeping us in the loop about what is going on, what downloads are you working on, what deadline did your CEO/President give your team to have a workable download to deliver?? ATN web page still states false product delivery in terms of SEVERAL functions that are flat out false.

We paid money for a scope that was advertised Sachal, and patiently waited for firmware development, which we should not have to be waiting for. Pretty tired of the juvenile and lackadaisical attitude from a prior reputable company. It's very important to note and know that not everyone is going to agree with this post and I certainly don't speak for everyone on this post. These guys on here are have been a life saver for each other in helping to fix problems with the scopes that shouldn't have to be fixed or have 40+ pages of posts to help a fellow owner actually "Jerry rig" your product! It's not right and I blame your leadership and management more than I do you. Please understand that.

Nah, that ain't gonna cut it for me. Mine is unusable with 228 firmware. 150 yards was dim with a T67. Same illuminator transferred over to the XT beside it and I was blinded. I don't know who is making these decisons Sachel, but I'm out with my XT again tonight. I'll be back on thermal next week. Enough of this stuff.

And the recorder still doesn't stop properly.

Guys,
I understand where you are all coming from. I honestly am on your side. I am working internally and pressuring our team to fix these issues as quickly as possible. Now, I know this is a frustrating process for many of you and for what its worth, I am sorry for all the trouble you guys had to go through. But believe me, I will make sure these issues get resolved and get resolved quickly.

I took two scopes one with .800 firmware and the other with 228, I am not seeing anything as drastic as you are mentioning here.

First post, but I've been watching both threads about the X sight for awhile.
I got a deal and bought a 5-18x model, even though it has some known issues.
I'm hoping ATN will fix them in the future.
Upon receiving my scope, it functions and takes video + pictures, but not in focus. I'll have to figure out what focus to set it at for clear video, as it's in focus in the screen. All that aside, I'm happy with it.
I have the .200 firmware loaded now.
I'm hesitant to load the .228 version, as the scope is working, except for the reticle missing in video and the zoom/reticle issue.
From Past posts about it, I don't think I'll download the newer version until it's ironed out.
Thanks for having this forum and I hope to post some video of this weekends super bowl predator hunting trip.

I am waiting for 2.0.00.whatevercomesafterthreezeroes. I am done with the 1.8 series firmware.

IF you could load new firmware "on the fly" from the app (as advertised), that would be a different story, but the constant updates just to turn on features mentioned on the box is getting to be intolerable.

Now you have a situation where people are hesitant to install any more "beta"-labeled firmware, and the need to post an update to correct battery drain and other issues. Unfortunately, these fixes will likely cost man hours to be diverted from the effort to move the firmware to 2.0.

Having said that, the added manual focus on the 3x makes the scope MUCH nicer to look through (I was able to focus on an object approximately 2 ft. out).

It was snug but not gorilla-tight. I'll check this to be sure.



Installed on an integral rail, with blue lock title, using a torque wrench set to 65 in/lbs, which is pretty typical recommendation by manufacturers. It's on there. And loose mounts don't produce consistent, repeatable results, now do they?

That said, I appreciate your jumping in here Sachal, I think this product has tremendous potential, once you get past this rough firmware.

Tapper, Did you check the mounts under the scope, If I remember right there are two screws that some guys have found loose. Just trying to help

OK, cool. I can barely make out a pig silhouette at 150 yards with mine using a huge illuminator. I see it bright and watch it dim down over a few seconds. Can simulate it by raising and lowering my lens cap. I see the software correcting it. It is too dim, with almost no contrast. Glad you got a good one.

Well I got bored with cabin fever, so I decided to install the newest firmware after making copies of both the .200 and .228 firmware versions, and making sure they both downloaded without any issues.
The reticle is in the video now,and I've had no dimming issues.
If anything happens while I'm out, I can always download the .200 version and keep on hunting.
I turned every other feature off to conserve the batteries, but in the summer I'm going to get a lot of use out of the fish finder function !
I also applied blue Loctite to the mount screws. I'm mounting it on a custom .20 practical build, so I'm not too concerned with recoil, but I may mount it on a .260 in a few weeks.
Friday cannot come soon enough.

Is there any news on the factory external battery pak, or any ill effects of using the mini usb port with an external battery pak ?

Same thing is happening to mine im going back to .200 when I shot the 2 coyotes the other night it was hard to see but I was able to make the shots and that was only at 116 yards with a UNV 20-IR and I know this did not happen with the .200 firmware when I get home tomorrow im going backwards not good but better than .228. I will also wait for the 2.00 firmware also im done playing.

Has anyone that has gone back to .200 had there X Y coordinates change from what they were with .228 firmware? My 223 is X42 Y32.

I ran my manual focus 3x tonight for 7 hours straight. I just updated from .174 to .200, powered it off, and am headed to bed. Tomorrow afternoon, I will see if it still has enough juice to run after being on "standby" all night. If it does, I am going to run those batteries dry, then install a fresh set, and see if those will hold the scope in standby for one week. If the scope powers on after a week, I will install another fresh set, and go for two.

Yessir, I saw the video. Very dark. Hard to see the yote. Shouldn't be that way. I've used a lot of digital scopes. The current firmware on the X-Sight is baffling to me. I did a video with the prototype and you could see the silhouettes easily at 300 yards with a UNV 20 IR. Not a chance with this mess. I slapped a 67 mm on it and it dimmed even that down. No good.

Hmmmm so I guess we now know why our results were different in the early goings between you seeing 300 and me topping out at 200 yards.

I figured it wasn't me or how I was working the process but rather a variation between the scopes...

I installed the .228 version and mounted the scope on my rifle and bore sighted this past weekend. Not convinced my shimming has worked and will hold but intend on spending more time with it this coming weekend. I did notice the battery drain was a lot quicker than previous but again I'll see just how much this week end. I also noticed that the veiw was dimmer in NV but........In the previous thread I believe I mentioned that I thought my IR illuminator was not working correctly and was on the high setting with NO adjustment. Now, with the .228 version the IR illuminator is doing what it is supposed to do and I can control the IR light, so IMO I would tend to agree with Sachels comment about the sensor adjusting to the light. Now as for what this does for seeing longer range I don't know yet. Hog hunting trip is the end of next week. Looking forward to it and trying this scope out on a pig or two.

I noticed the dimming in 200 I found that the firmware changed the light amplification to medium. so it looked very dim as in this video keep in mind this is when the sun was starting to come up at pitch black I could barely see and I have the NV20 IR.. once I changed it to low light amplification it brightened up greatly.

Changing to low light amplification did help but I haven't played with it enough im going to try it again tonight before I go back to .200 firmware.
What really ticks me off is these updates are suppose to help and make it better but my Fathers Photon 4.6 XT makes this X-Sight look like crap. I think I need to just get a Photon and use until this X-Sight is fixed. It seems like it was much better when I first starting using it and seems like it is getting worse as time goes on.

Yes because it's a firmware delivery to appease us. Spoke to a fellow officer today and he chastised me for buying ATN. I knew better but did anyway.

I got to thinking and now I'm wondering if even the silly, novelty VELOCITY and ALTIMETER work. ??

Man you are the biggest troll ever do you even own the scope? every post you have made has been whiny. we get it you don't like the scope.. almost 40 posts and not even one post out side of the ATN X-sight thread. do you even hunt?

Whiney huh.. My posts aren't for you there high speed. They are for potential buyers of this scope until a proper one is sold as advertised. You don't like you skip over it. Got it.

Took u some effort to put that together. Try using the time to read the warranty and Limitaiin of Liability They have on their site. You'll be excited.

Yea I hunt. When I use scopes that work..

I'll test the low amplification tonight. My replacement came with .200 and no flicker. Upgraded to .228 and no flicker. Took some great video last night.

If your scope doesn't flicker then it isn't performing like the rest of them, which could ultimately be good or bad.

It is well known that ATN hasn't addressed the flicker issue yet so again they all should do it being they are coming in on the same boat.

Last I checked this threat was not for selling/Warning other user ( X-Sight Owners forum for the (1.8.00.228) firmware update. ) its for owners to discuss possible fixes and issues not cry about it and make sarcastic post about using the scope as a blunt object to kill with. why not start your own thread im sure you will have loads of company in there.

Heck idk

Hopefully not a bad thing. Looks great without flicker I'll tell you that. My buddies doesn't flicker either.

Cyberpyrot - lol yer too cute. Good, you've been paying attention.

I bought my scope bc I thought it was a great deal. This was also a possible preorder for a Department that has been canned. As a cop I eat smart a**'s like you all day everyday.

If you had a good working scope, you wouldn't be on here.

Your not mad at me, your mad at ATN. I didn't sell you a bad scope. I just posted about it.

my scope works fine I was able to hunt with it just fine shot two deer and two pigs.. oops did I strike a nerve mr. officer? also please dont take offence to the pig image. oh and since we are dropping careers im a proctologist I deal with @$#holes like you all day.

Keep it civil you guys

PLEASE

Cyberpyrot

You can continue to sugar coat the troubles and malfunctions of the scope and I will continue to voice my frustration to ATN over their game that we all know. I've seen it before. So as your sitting and waiting pretty a few months or longer for your ice cream cone, I stated the facts and the frustrations of us all and received an immediate reply. And your welcome.

I have been getting private messages thanking me for saying something. Now I'm done dancing with you, go sit down.

Mine flickered when I got it then it went away and now its back not sure why but weird.

Question.... I’m running 228 version

With the Night Vision modes (high, med, low) it seems everyone or a few are saying in High mode the light amplification is decreased and Low light amplification is increased. I’m not sure if I am reading what people are saying correctly.

Reason being on mine in Night vision mode High is bright and Low is very dim.

stop already, nobody is right, wrong or indifferent...we can post the issues and hopefully get them resolved over time, at this point DMS you know as well as the rest of us that it really isn't going to help to complain, only to keep posting the issues and get them resolved...we all bought the scopes, we are at ATN's mercy and will have to wait...

so lets address only issues, not going to help to argue about dates, deadlines, etc.

seems to work kind of backwards huh? lol, but high is like it changes the brightness but harder to see, I've been running in med

Sachal,

Will ya'll be switching to the new SDK on the next update? Or can you tell us what to expect in the future as far as firmware updates go? Looks like the two major things I'm seeing is the reticle not centered and the night flickering. Will these be addressed next?

Thanks!

Im sorry for being rude DMS1971 it was uncalled for you have every right to be upset. We all received defective unites I just try to see the silver lining in things. Please accept my apology I will comment no further about it. you have every right to post what you like.

Appreciate that and same here brother.

Now dangit, tell me how you happened to get a perfectly aligned mount as well as a perfect zero without reticle flying into space?

LastHurrah-

Those same exact requests have been asked, almost in the exact words. Sachal won't answer that question. He will get on this forum once every 3-4 weeks and tell you they are working on it. The flying reticle is so important, being the primary function of a scope, but as you obviously see, Sachal stated yesterday that the flashing is priority. BOTH are important, but we can shoot with the flashing, not the flying reticle.

Please also note that ATN stated in a previous post that the flashing was fixed with .200 and then said it again with .228. Bottom line, the firmware is bad. It's I fixable by us. We can help each other get the best screen picture/clarity, however, the scopes won't do 60% of what is advertised.

I know this. Just refreshing the unanswered question just in case he is missing it.

Once transitioned over to the new SDK, the number 1 fix would be the centered reticle. The new SDK is a lot more efficient and will also help with the battery life.

So here are the first 3 priorities with the new SDK.

1 - Centered reticle zoom
2 - sleep mode - when inactive
3 - NV mode optimization

Thanks for the response, Sachal.

Is there any time frame on this update?

That, I did not do. argh.

Actually there are 3 screws that are there. 2 visable and one under the key one the ceter of the scope that requires a small phillips and a flathead screwdriver to check.

Yep, Figmo.

I know it's not as important as the firmware issues, but Inquiring minds would like to know ?

Since I updated the scope, I haven't had any issues with flickering in NV and dimming, but I do get a red hue in the screen for a couple of seconds after selecting NV mode, but it go's away in a couple of seconds.
I tried to recorded it, but it doesn't show up.
I noticed while I was viewing in day mode, that the picture would get brighter when viewing under trees and overhangs.
The focus in recorded video is clearer now too.
I'm going to put it to the test this weekend and see how it handle's cold weather. It's Supposed to be in the single digits all weekend.

That's very good news!I'm glad to hear something positive. I'm still on .200 and will likely wait another week or so.

Are y'all sighting in and always shooting at the same zoom level?

I just received my 5x X-Sight this week. Not sure if this behavior is related to firmware, but I wanted to post in case this is affecting others. The issue is when I have the scope connected to my iOS Obsidian app and using the View Finder in the app. All is well, and I can clearly see what the scope is seeing. However, when I zoom in on the scope, the iOS app crashes. The scope itself zooms, and everything looks fine through the scope. Restarting and reconnecting the iOS app, and I'm able to use the app View Finder just fine again...until I zoom again. This is very repeatable. I saw this with firmware .174 that shipped with the scope and with .200 I loaded last night. I haven't tried .228 as I am holding off upgrading due to some of the issues reported on this thread. The iOS Obsidian app is version 1.1, which appears to be the latest available. Anyone else seeing this behavior?

I am using 1X for now for all shooting due to:

1: floating reticle
2: POI shift when zooming from 1x to 3x. Could not go higher due to item 1. Not sure if others have tried this but mine moved 2 inches up and left from 1x to 3x. Back to 1x and in POI back to where expected.

Leaving at 1x until the elusive 2.00.xx shows up. I find 1x works fine for nighttime activities.

I shot a pig at 200 yards with no magnification. I don't find it that useful unless im shooting a humming bird.

Someone else reported the POI wasn't moving but yours is. I'm headed to my lease tomorrow, will test my scope for ZOOM/POI, and report back when I return Sunday.

Yes, I asked about it a while back and got no answer. Unfortunately I'm thinking that I'm going to return my scope and if/when all this stuff gets worked out buy another. I've got other projects that I can tie up 750$ with at the moment that work.

I agree, using the setting of 5x magnification 0 zoom is more than enough to shoot 200 yards. If you use the extended digital zoom setting it is like a spotting scope!

I will be interested in your experience in general with the scope and POI vs zoom.

rexmitchell - return your x-sight then buy it from B&H Photo for $584 likely tax free. I'd do that but I've used mine way too much.

Which phone are you using? I think there can be an issue sometimes with the app crashing depending on the phone and OS (Android or IOS). I'm using a rooted Samsung Galaxy S5 and don't have any issues with the app crashing.

It was crashing for me on an Iphone 6 plus

Mine is crashing on iPhone 5S running iOS 7.1.1.

Mine for sure moves bad. I hope they get it fixed.

I believe the android app has more features then the ios version. on the android app you can sight in the cross hairs. and a fish finder.

Interesting is all I'm gonna say....

X-sight - THE MOST INTERESTING SCOPE IN THE WORLD



You should listen to what he says

nothing but positive reviews from our customers......

I did listen to what he said. I'm referring to the "It's a wonderful product. Nothing but praise and good things from customers" comment which is just not true at all. Maybe YOU should listen to what he said.

In the software lab it works great and the box looks great. In "theory" this is the only scope you need. Also liked the software issues are worked out.

guys,
you know you can always buy this

http://tracking-point.com/

Positive first hunt. Guaranteed!

You missed my sarcascim

Have you ever listened to the Dos Equis "Most interesting Man in the World" commercials?



They are wild fantasies and over the top stories of any one Man's actions BUT they sell beer - that is the design of the message.

The posted video sells scopes.

The reality is users have expressed alot of feedback and the actual facts of the matter lie somewhere between the manufactuers claims and sales pitch and the users good and bad experiences.

Take a look at the video again from a non-user perspective, if you had seen that commercial a year ago after SHOT 2014 you'd have been bouncing off the walls in anticipation.

Well there are people in the here and now who haven't seen or touched an X-sight so is the message going to strike them differently, THAT IS BUSINESS.

sent this as a pm then saw you won't read them so here ya go.

Sachal, I manage a hunting club in ne Texas and am looking at the 5-18 as a possible scope to have on hand for our members if they want to hunt pigs/yotes at night.
this being said I am nervous about spending money on maybe up to 5-6 of these scopes if the firmware is constantly having to be upgraded and changed with varying results.
can you tell me (in a pm) for certain that all features will be working, all issues will eventually be taken care of? I know you do not have a magic wand or you would have used it already but before I spend 3,000.00 on scopes I need to know that they will work as advertised.

thanks for your time and I do want these but not until I have some sort of guarantee they are gonna work as advertised.

My bad

I do not always use an optic, but when I do I choose an ATN X Sight.

cmon Sachel were just having fun.. its a slow day

Maybe hes so used to our abuse he stays on the defense now....
All was going good and in the right (somewhat) direction until this last update.

Something to consider would be to tell evryone what the new firmware updates address when they are released. I havent said much in the past about this but after this last one where the contrast was set dfferent, would have been nice to know before going out and trying to figure out what happened to several different illuminators, then trying to record and have to remove the batteries to stop it.

I have version .200 connected to an iPad with 8.1.2 ios. It crashes/closes Obsidian when I zoom. When I reopen the app, I see the screen with the Zoom change captured.

Also noticed when I zoom up or down my reticle goes south/north, but the reticle point of impact remains the same relative to the target i have inside my living room with the rifle secured in place. Whether this impact bullet POI is something I'll test this weekend.

I'm enjoying all the feedback on the X-Sight!

have you tried the fish finder yet?

I am really confused by this. Are you actually advertising a competing product to defend the lies in the video, or are you claiming the price discount of the X-Sight compared to the Tracking Point means we should be willing to accept a bit of dishonesty in exchange for savings?

Please remind me what the "fish finder" is and I'll check it.

"Fish finder" = not funny "inside joke" that was never funny to most. You're not missing much.

On some of your videos Im getting a black screen and it says im missing a plug in, Do you guys know what plug in these video's are running off.

Yea that made me feel pretty good about returning mine today.....I was defending this but to have that kind of attitude while owners are standing here with out d!cks in our hands is kinda childish.

Actually it is very funny, IF you have a sense of humor. But then again maybe you dont.
There are many positives to this scope and it is very usuable as is for the money involved.
Once again I challenge anyone to show me a scope that has the capabilities that this one does for the money.
Unless ive missed it I havent seen a single positive post from you concern this scope at all. Just constant degrading of it as a whole.
I dont work or get any pay or contributions from ATN whatsoever so thats a moot point should you decide to bring it up.
Yes ATN has dropped the ball on a majority of its promises but it seems that they are working on it. Give them a break once in awhile. I was hard on them at first and finally realized it for what it was.
If you have a problem with them then why not just send yours back and go see a lawyer should you choose to do so and be done with it all.
Many of u have figured out what to do with what we have and await new firware updates in the hopes that we are getting closer to a fix for certain issues. There are several here that have way more experiance with this scope than I do but I dont hear them blowing steam like you do. Instead they are doing what it takes to make it work.
Just one example is the reticle walking off the screen , thats been addressed and ra's have beeen issued along with "home brew" fixes. Unless your shooting ticks off a dog at 500 yds theres no need for the amount of zoom thats offered on this unit.
I will agree with what someone else has stated though, quit being a troll and at least be neutrual or try to help out with suggestions and or fixes instead of constant complaints that go nowhere.

FIN

I finally got my 5-18 out to the range today. I have it mounted on my 7.62X39 AR. I'm running .228 at the current time. I tested the zoom feature and found that the reticle disappeared at the max zoom setting, but stayed stable and centered up to that point. Brightness control worked fine. The reticle does appear on the still photographs I took. I tried the "One Shot Zero" function and it worked as advertised. I saw no degradation in performance of the scope over about a 2 hour, 40 round session. I ran out of time before I could exercise it any more, but right now, as a daylight scope, its performance is acceptable. I'm still concerned about the rapid rate at which it eats batteries, even when it is turned off, and, of course, I haven't used it, yet, in a night time hunting environment, which is primarily what I bought it for! Hope to get some night action in the next few days.

I am surprised that your X Sight is burning batteries when it is off. I am sure you made mention of it but I will ask, Is GPS and WIFI off? I dont see what could be running when the unit is off. I certainly am not saying I dont believe you just trying to help figure it out. I have had the same batteries in mine for about 2 weeks and they are still going strong.

ezink, I had mentioned this issue in an earlier post. For some reason, my scope continues to use up batteries, even when it is turned off! And I turn EVERYTHING off; and it still eats batteries. The first ones to go are the ones that are installed with the negative end out, or to the right. They go completely down, while the upper two, with positive terminals facing out, maintain their charge. The only way I've found to prevent this (after several loads of 4 Energizer Lithiums!) is to loosen the battery compartment cap. It's pretty sad, but I have to take a battery checker and a pile of spare batteries every place I go with this scope! There's got to be something wrong with this particular scope, because I've not heard of anyone else experiencing this problem.

Mikei, Sorry, I knew you posted somewhere I just could not remember the details and I was too lazi to look thru the thread. Sounds like you will have to send yours in. Short somewhere. Anyway, I have a new one for you guys. Today I was doing some shooting and the screen locked up, only once. When it locked up I had it recording, while the screen was locked the X sight was still recording. I pulled the SD card when I got home and found a bunch of new files I never saw before, all on note pad. For example: drv, drv_dump, dsp, vin_info_dump and a few others. When you open them there is some sort of code on there. Have you guys seen that. Normally I only have folders with DCIM and MISC. The video that I was taking when the screen locked up wont open, says file corrupt.

ezinkscrr, no apology expected or needed! We're all in this cauldron together, trying to figure out just how much lipstick we or ATN can put on this pig before we give up and declare it a real, live, porcine entity! I keep thinking that ATN will come through; especially since I have several of their products; but it appears to me that they are in way over their head on this one, and don't seem to have the IT competence needed to right the ship. I fear the worst. . . I hope for the best.

Ow! My feelings!

I maintain that many of these things are being fixed BECAUSE of the owners who were willing to draw a line (ezinkscrr, mikei, and Scott Country out of the UK come to mind). Really, you ought to find it in yourself to thank those types for the progress made. Watch the video, chum: it is busting at the seams with exaggerations and lies, and I don't care who you are...there's no denying it.

What if we had to rely on people who want to do nothing but slather icing all over a product that simply does not work as advertised? Where is the motivation to ship what was promised when there was a willingness to ship anything other than that. Yeah, I'm not buying that approach...

...and I don't care what you say: "fish finder" joke is nowhere near "very funny," unless maybe you have a lame sense of humor. Maybe you do.

I have to give credit to their hardware engineers. The fit and finish on the 3x manual focus unit they shipped is impeccable, and unfortunately, the software engineers are the ones who contributed to my decision to throw it back into the bag for a month. Had they shipped this sight with all the advertised features, and with what I hope will become firmware 2.0, products like the Tracking Point system would've had a difficult-to-impossible time justifying their business model or their place in the market. Hindsight is 20-20.

In summary, I disagree with just about everything you said and told me to do. However, all of these recorded thoughts, good, bad, or otherwise, will contribute to the improvement of this product. Sugar-coating isn't going to accomplish anything. Neither is flying the second finger and returning the scope. You've told more than one person to do that, and had they agreed, you would have successfully, inexplicably narrowed the field of individuals who are unwittingly helping to make YOUR scope better...a dubious course of action if you ask me.

Here is a video of my X sight today at the range, This shows my flashing issue. It came back up today. Is anyone else have this. I thought it was the water but I also saw it over dry land today as well.

mikei...it'd be interesting to know if you can feel any heat off the battery cap, or out of the battery compartment when they discharge like that.

Ow! Got me again!

Mine does the same thing. Left batteries in after going to range, wifi and gps off, unit dead 1.5 days later when next I looked at it. I had changed batts shortly before putting gun away, so these were nearly new.

Discovered this while unmounting scope to check the mount screws after I had a problem with shots refusing to group. I was able to get a quarter turn on the front base screw. We'll see if this was the culprit this weekend.

I have not had any problems as I still have the original batteries in since I got the scope. Everything is off on the scope I have played with the wifi and have recorded a few things but I have not had the scope on for 12 hours yet but for what I do with it battery life has not been a problem. I hope I don't start having battery issues now.

Which version of firmware are you running?

s6275, I do not feel any heat on the battery compartment cap or in the compartment.

This is wierd, just got my new 5-18x after a couple of exchanges,
AND i can zoom out to 10x without reticle moving out of the
screen. it's in the center of the screen all the time.
Firmware used is the .200

Tapper, I'm not sure who you were asking about the firmware level, but I am running .228 on mine.

Did you zero your scope in yet? If you did that is great news, maybe ATN found a fix.

Didnt have to zero much, maybe thats why.
OK, did a heavy simulated zero
and now the reticle flies of the screen like
on all other scopes. Grrrr

O Man, you got me excited.. O well

Seems apple still hasn't worked out the WiFi issues that they've had for awhile

Does Apple hate you

Tried it on my android tablet with the same results. It is the app, not the wifi. Either way, not my problem anymore, I took my scope back so best of luck to the rest of the folks here.

Wow and I thought we had it bad

"Users of older iOS devices, desperate to find solutions, have flooded the Apple Support Communities forum in a thread dedicated to the problem. As I write this, there are more than 525,000 messages devoted to it and no answers"

I cant believe you quit on us. Lol

Bye - See ya on the flipside!

I'm hoping all this works out, I'm eager to see how quickly/if all this gets resolved. I'm not trashing the product by any means but I have to agree this was a pretty fumbled roll out. If all this stuff gets sorted out to a satisfactory level, I'm going to get another one but I'm in no rush. Figured until then, I could tie my money up in a new rifle. So for now its popcorn on the sidelines for me.

was running .200 and now im using .228

An update to my battery life. From the start I had turned off GPS and WiFi and experienced battery drain in a rapid fashion. During my last battery exchange (Cheap Dollar General HD) under Menu - Display I turned the Clock,Compass and Speedometer positions to NONE. I went hunting last Saturday, used the scope for nearly 2 hours and this week I have been testing various items: video/pictures/IR position on rifle/scope settings here at the house. I am still on the same set of batteries!! Maybe I got a super set of batteries or maybe the settings made a difference. Wanted to share so others suffering from Battery Drain might try it and see if I am on to something.

I shot mine yesterday sighted in and shot on 1x I feel comfortable shooting animals with it again. I'm going tonight so maybe I'll have a video of something dying.

eyesofahunter, I just loaded in a fresh set of batteries, turned "clock, compass and speedometer" to "NONE," and will check in a couple of hours to see if that works on my scope! Thanks for the suggestion, and I'll post back here around noon with a report.

I just wanted to quote that. 6th generation device, still lots of problems. Should demand refunds. (I hate Apple with a fire-fueled passion, so I might be a little biased.)

Now, on to more positive matters...



I'm VERY glad you found the source of your battery drain! It's good info and very useful to all of us, and can really save some people (like me ) a lot of money and headache. Thanks for the report.

Suggestion to ATN: Incorporate "Quick Power Profiles" into your scope! Also, maybe have an automated 'shutdown' script that sets all these options to OFF, when the scope powers down.

I have had my scope running on Kentli Recharable li-ion
AA batteries for 3 hours now, wifi on, gps off,
more info will come...

I'm going to hold off for the laser guided bullets

Expert Opinion / Review

He must have a different X sight cause mine don't have all the features listed on the box. He must know someone at ATN.

So I have been trying to think this through in my head and I think I can explain it in a paragraph or less.

If the upcoming software development kit and firmware software is going to allow zooming to the reticle. What will the effect on screen look like if the reticle is off-center, say in the top left quadrant of the screen. At 1x the reticle will be off center but when you start to zoom in how much shift of image is going to occur? Will the reticle go to the center of the screen and drag the image with it? Or will the shift occur towards the reticle? Either way the shooter stands to lose visibility on what is in the lower right quadrant of the screen.

Note: the sensor is natively 1980x1080 pixels and the viewing screen is 640x480 pixels so at 1x you are seeing roughly half of the image the sensor is broadcasting. If this is so then wouldn't the preferred implementation be that if you zero your scope off-center as described above - when you save the setting it now makes that plot point your new screen center point. Now regardless of zoom level you'll maintain a centered reticle and avoid a shifting image.

Thoughts?

eyesofahunter, that sounds like a hot tip - I'm running 228 as well, going to change my settings tonight and test this weekend on everready ultra lithiums.

Also going to take a hard look at modifying the battery cap to add spring contacts to eliminate having to put the gorilla torque on the cap to prevent it from resetting on every shot.

I'm also so very tempted to take it apart and look at the electronics. I have some experience programming cell phone chipsets, and this scope is basically a smartphone with an objective lens and no cellular feature. You could easily program an iPhone to do exactly what this scope is doing. I have a suspician that ATN is using an Ambarella A5S chipset, just like the GoPro, and there's a whole community now dedicated to hacking/modding this stuff.

I figured it out we have been mounting the scope all wrong! If you use this mounting method all the features are on available when you are afield.

I relieved.

Sure you're right, when zeroing, ALL in the scope should be reset
to the new zero point,reticle, sensors,screen and whatever more that
i can't set my finger on right now.

The helpful guys at Scott Country told me that when that fix is released, the reticle will not move, but rather the image will move behind the reticle instead keeping everything centred.

jimmyb79 what ir do you use ?

OK, I just passed the two hour mark since installation of the fresh set of batteries. The scope is turned off, and the clock, compass and speedometer were set to "NONE," per the suggestion of eyesofahunter, and I'm pleased to report that all four batteries have retained a full charge! I'll do another check in about 4 hours and let you know what I find. If, indeed, this fixes the issue of rapid battery drain, the next step I'll take is to see which of the functions (clock/compass/speedo) is the culprit. I'll turn one of them on and let the other two stay at the "NONE" value; we may be able to isolate and identify what's causing the problem. This could be valuable information for ATN as they wrestle with the myriad issues that have been identified with .228.

I wonder if it is wifi causing the issue I know some devices have a wifi on standby as to allow you to power on the device with the phone.. this is the case with the gopro altho the camera is turned off the wifi is still on.

Hi everyone! I just got my 5x yesterday but have been following all of your postings since November. Mine came with red buttons and .174 installed but look forward to experimenting with the newest firmware.

Question: if this is correct, "Note: the sensor is natively 1980x1080 pixels and the viewing screen is 640x480 pixels so at 1x you are seeing roughly half of the image the sensor is broadcasting", couldn't ATN add a negative zoom so the scope to show something closer to a 3x zoom by backing out to show more of the sensors pixels? I just brought this up because some people seem to have a difficult time with targets between 20-50 yards, especially moving targets.

cyberpyrot, I checked both WiFi and GPS and they are both off, as well as the clock, compass and speedo set the "NONE." Unless there is something going on that makes either WiFi or GPS run in the background even with the scope turned off, I don't know what is happening. If, at the end of the current 6 hour test I'm running, the batteries are still fully charged, my assumption is that either clock, compass, speedo, or a combination of all three functions is creating the drain my scope is experiencing.

Whoa you just blew my mind.... awesome thought!!! at 50 yards the deer fills up the screen..

Great thinking

5.5 hours now on Kentli, wifi on, gps off

I've been waiting for someone to find the Ambarella connection.

The strings in the firmware and its structure are very similar to the GoPro 3 which uses the A5 chipset and there are many other similarities. There are other cams which use the various Ambarella chipsets. I think they have understandably stripped out some functionality. If you are interested:

http://dc.p-mc.eu/

http://goprouser.freeforums.org/hero3-black-firmware-studies-physical-teardown-photos-t10016-20.html

http://www.wikihow.com/Stream-Your-GoPro-to-Your-PC-Using-VLC-Media-Player (This doesn’t seem to work with the X-Sight as some of the GoPro functionality seems to be missing, but it does show some interesting things. Use 192.168.1.42)

http://blog.infobytesec.com/2013/08/go-deep-pro-1-of-2.html

I tried to weigh in on the firmware rollback situation back in the .200 thread and got an inane reply which said that no-one ever goes back to a previous version of software and that you have to wait for the manufacturer to release a fix. This is known as the Microsoft Windows Syndrome. This was followed by a demeaning comment about punch cards. I refrained from further posts.

I've just been lurking since then and was gratified to be shown correct by dfwroadkill's brave experiment where he discovered you can revert to previous versions. I was too cowardly to try it myself. Thanks dfwroadkill!

I hope some of you bright young programmer types can play with this stuff and share your findings with us old guys.

Thanks,
mikeee

Here is my simpleton look at this.

My 0 is x=73 and y=38 at 1x zoom with reticle center.

I zoom to 4.5x with reticle off screen then go to zero reticle under menu and look at x/y they are x=229 and y=119. On the screen there are two dots the red in center of screen, assume this is factory x=0 y=0 then off to the lower right there is a green dot about where my zero is but the reticle is totaly off the screen in lower right at this zoom. Somewhere in the code the x/y are not being adjusted correctly for the level of zoom. 73 x 4.5 = x of 328.5 and y of 535.5. It seems to not being adjusting x/y beyond 3x.

My reticle leave the screen between 3.0 and 3.5 zoom. If you take x=73 x 3 = 219 and y=38 x 3 = 114 coincidence? This leads me to believe the formula they are using to adjust the centering of the reticle on screen is flawed (stating the obvious) and an adjustment of the formula to correct for zoom would solve all this fire and brimstone.

And as I continue tinkering if I zoom to 4.5x then go to zero reticle screen under the same setting above x=229 y=119 with the two dots on screen. I then press save position without making an adjustment to the original settings and return to home screen. Leaving the zoom at 4.5x and returning to the zero reticle screen what are the x/y numbers???? x=51 y=27 what is 51x4.5?????? 229.5 and what is 27x4.5????? 121.5.

So in conclusion I believe that the code for centering the reticle needs to have added to it a line to include the level of zoom. If Center of Reticle is C then at 1x C= x-73 and y=-38 we know this works since reticle is centered on 1x. Where it appears to run off the rails is there is no adjustment in x/y beyond 1x zoom on the screen. At 2X zoom C= x-146 and y=-76 but this is not accounted for.

Again this comes from the perspective of someone without extensive coding/programing experience but in my simple mind the ratio of zoom to reticle location need to remain constant throughout the adjustment. They have the adjustment calculated right for 1x now carry that forward to 2x 3x 4x....10x

I welcome feedback on my thought process.

ATN advertises the viewfinder screen as 800x600. The native resolution of the cmos sensor is probably 1080 high by 1920 wide, so you see full res on recorded video only, and the eyepiece sees an interpolated version which discards more than half of the pixels to display.

Digital Zooming is just carving out a smaller area on the original 1920x1080 "raster" and displaying it as a full size image on the 800x600 view screen which simulates magnification. Zooming backwards (fading) requires a ton of CPU horsepower and sophisticated software to get a result even remotely realistic looking because software is trying to create new information never captured by the cmos chip.

The really interesting thing, comes with the Ambarella chipset's "analytics" coprocessor, and what can be done with it. Motion detection, shape recognition, software triggers, etc. ATN could, if they commit to the programming investment, do some pretty funky stuff with this rig.

Unfortunately, if their programmer(s) are struggling with a simple thing like zooming to a chosen center (the crosshair), I don't hold out much hope we'll see the kind of sophistication the platform is capable of any time soon.

Heck I would just like them to get the stuff they advertise to work. Seems like ATN got super quiet once again after there last firmware update.

THIS has been the most useful post I've seen in a long while, because it tells us about how this device might function. If we know the processor's capabilities, we can determine how to make the software do the things we want - within the device's processing limits. If you can narrow this down further to the chipset they use, the sky's the limit. Keep us updated

Thanks for the screen size, I took a wag at it but same concept regardless.

As for coding a negative zoom (zoom out) below 1x - I wouldn't think they would do it for a couple of reasons.

1) It would encroach on their 3x product
2) The lens focus may not be designed to travel to the focus point needed

Good thought though

Eyesofahunter - If you think about it, zooming is way easier than that. I don't know how ATN is doing it, but I suspect the zoom function is always tied to the center of the physical image (CI), and that's why an offset zero point (ZP) tends to float along a line drawn between the ZP and the CI. The simple way to do it, is to write the zoom function so that the rectangle of pixels used is always centered on the ZP of the PI, not the zoomed image, or the interpolated image displayed in the LCD. That way you don't need much math, and the function is nice and fast, and the zoom function has absolutely no effect on point of impact. The crosshair is just an overlay graphic centered on the ZP in all views.
Maybe the Ambarella SDK only includes a scaling function using the CI, or maybe the ATN guys are doing something dumb to zoom, I dunno.

iPhone did what they said it would when it shipped...and it shipped with a straight screen.

iPhone/ X-sight: both intended to be disruptive product launches...but only one was.

Been a long time since Ive coded but I would imagine its easier now than back in the late 80 early 90s.
Being that its a .bin file thats used to update these scopes wouldnt it be possible for someone thats up to date in programming to reverse engineer the file? I would imagine that they have encrypted it but as we all know there are ways around that as well. I would think it could be done with a compiler of some sort.
Once into the software it wouldnt be hard to decipher the workings of the scope and be able to customize it as needed or even (Here it comes) help out ATN's engineers since they must have their heads in a hole somewhere.
Im not sure about infringement of copyrights or any of that but things like this are done all the time with software.
Just curious. Almost makes me want to dive back in and see what I could mess up. I would just like to see the coding myself.

Tapper: My long winded look at this was along the line of if they can center the crosshair in the image post my zero adjustment how hard is it to add a line of code saying crosshair center = x/y at 2x and so on for all levels of zoom. It just does not seem that hard at this point to edit the code to accomplish this. It also seems they stopped at 3x zoom since the x/y do not adjust beyond that. But as you said they might be trying to solve a simple problem with a complex solution.

I may try to downgrade back to 200. I took mine out last night and was having a hard time seeing, even with a UNV20ir. As regards battery life, lithiums do seem to last longer, but mine is still a battery killer. Sorry, but I am not understanding the point of the people who are doing "static" testing of batteries. It seems like saying that my iPhone has xxxx hours of standby time. When I am outside, in the cold, running night mode, scanning the pastures which requires use of processing power, messing with settings, etc...., it seems like the battery draw of the scope would be and is exponentially higher than when the scope is sitting inside in idle mode. I sure hope that ATN can improve battery life, and soon.

TomH FW, the reason I'm doing a "static" test on my scope is because of the fact that in "static" mode, it was consuming batteries at an alarming rate. I certainly understand that a real, live, in-the-field stress test is much more realistic, but if your batteries are dying overnight as the scope sits in the gun safe, something's seriously wrong. If we can figure out why it's killing batteries when it's turned off, we may be able to resolve the issue and possibly even discover other, collateral issues as well that continue to cause us usability problems.

[quote=mikei]TomH FW, the reason I'm doing a "static" test on my scope is because of the fact that in "static" mode, it was consuming batteries at an alarming rate. I certainly understand that a real, live, in-the-field stress test is much more realistic, but if your batteries are dying overnight as the scope sits in the gun safe, something's seriously wrong. If we can figure out why it's killing batteries when it's turned off, we may be able to resolve the issue and possibly even discover other, collateral issues as well that continue to cause us usability problems. [/quote

mikei: I do understand what you are saying, and certainly do agree that if a scope is killing batteries when turned off, that is a serious problem. I have turned off wifi, gps, compass, and everything else I could find.

I'm using a Nightmaster 800IR with the 'turbo' kit - effectively 2 x 18650 batteries rather than one.

Thanks,good to know,but expencive ,
i'm getting the T50 one battery just to loose some weight.
Dont know if the light is good enough for the x-sight.

That is a fine illuminator, I've got one but unfortunatly is shows itself better on the Photon at this time. Pricey but well worth the money.

It is very good and works well with my x-sight. The T50 should work well too. We are seeing some good reports of the Coyote Light here recently. Not sure if they've released an IR version.
However at over £300, I won't be swapping out for that!

I was doing some digging on those Kentli batteries. They intrigued me greatly.

The tech is interesting, but be careful what the mfg claims.

Here's some info I dug up, that makes the true specs of the battery more clear.

Kentli AA 1.5 volt Li-Ion batteries

Now don't get me wrong, I think these batteries might work VERY WELL for the X-Sight. Most importantly will be the consistent voltage delivery throughout it's discharge cycle, which makes it ideal for a microprocessor-based device. These devices NEED a consistent supply of power to operate correctly.

This could be why some people have trouble with the X-Sight as batteries start to drain. It also makes sense why they 'recommend' Lithium disposable batteries be used.

Just figured I'd share, since one needs to be careful not to fall for the marketing hype of batteries - or anything for that matter. I don't mind if tech has flaws - but of course we want to know what we're paying for. I think the controversy surrounding the X-Sight itself is proof positive of that.

Ive got the t67 as well along with a few others but imo the 800ir is awesome when coupled with the turbo kit.

It's now been 9 1/2 hours since I began my "static" battery test with the clock/compass/speedometer functions all set to the "NONE" condition, and I'm pleased to report that the batteries have held their charge! (Before turning these functions to "NONE," I was unable to get even 4 hours of battery life when the scope was in the static condition.) Tomorrow morning, bright and early, I'll turn on the clock function and begin sampling battery condition every two hours. If the batteries hold up with "clock" turned on, I'll then turn on "compass" and test it. I'll keep going and try to determine which of these three functions is causing the problem of rapid battery discharge. I'll keep everyone apprised of my findings.

Another shoutout to eyesofahunter for trying this approach and letting us know of his results!

I am not going to be at all surprised if it turns out the compass is a culprit. Mine NEVER read correctly, and was constantly searching, even when I was not moving.

He takes a bow and exits. I am glad it is working for you, I hope we are on to something. Mine finally gave out tonight after a week of use!! I hope ATN is following this discussion, even though we sometimes get off track I think the only way this system will be fixed is by listening to feed back from those that use it. The lab is great but there needs to be real use to work out the kinks.
Keep tinkering!!!!

I'm going to ask those who want to "explore" the code and script to open a separate thread as I am sure there will be some heavy technical talk which will get lost and or overpower the standard X-sight users in threads such as this.

Plus I don't want to be called into the Principal's office when you guys crack the code and develop apps that open Pandora's box. I mean hacking a phone or other device is one thing but a weapon system isn't something I want to read about - too much liability if Obsidian becomes self-aware.

Thanks fellas!

My apologies HuntTXHogs, I deleted it.

+1 eyesofahunter

On mine the only thing I have running is the clock and made sure it is set to manual not wifi. So its still draining battery life but like I said in one of my previous posts im still running the same batteries from when it was new. I might turn off the clock cause I really don't have any use for it then there should be no draw on the batteries at all.

At 0700 today I checked the batteries and they were fine! They've lasted 21 hours with everything turned off and/or set to "NONE." I just went in and set Compass to "BOTTOM," leaving Speedometer and Clock in the "NONE" condition, and will monitor the battery level every couple of hours. If I see no evidence of rapid drain, I'll change Speedometer to "BOTTOM," and monitor it. I'll post results as I get them.

Mikei, thank you for taking my big picture idea and taking it to the pixel level to try and root out this issue. Good work, and keep us posted.

Has anyone seen the new 3x? I am going to pick mine up next week...

At 0900 today, I checked the batteries and they were still at full charge. I just went in and turned the next function (Speedometer) on to "BOTTOM." I'll check battery level in a couple of hours and report back.

Right here, Cleric, from earlier in the thread.

About battery life, i did a test, hooked up a powerbank
to the usb-port and removed the AA batteries, scope still
powered on
Did some more testing and seems like the scope needs the AA
batteries to start up, it wount start without the AA inside,
and if the usb-port is connected at start, scope won't start up,
it's looking for usb-connection.
My scope is still running, with power from the powerbank,
no AA inside.

TomH, I am kinda leaning toward the Clock as being the cause of the problems, since I presume that it has to keep running to keep track of the time, as opposed to the Compass and Speedo, which, in the static situation, are just "idling." I may very well be wrong about this, and it sure won't be the first time!! Hopefully, by mid-afternoon, we'll have an answer.

At 1100, I checked the batteries and they have not lost any charge in two hours with the functions Clock and Speedometer turned on and placed in the "BOTTOM" condition. I turned on the final, Compass, function, and will check again after a couple of hours. "Logic" would have me think that, as suggested by TomH FW, the Compass function is the culprit in the premature battery drainage issue, at least on my scope. I'll check back in with you all once the scope gets a few more hours under its belt with all functions except WiFi and GPS turned back on.

Here we are, burning through our own batteries, conducting tests the manufacturer should've finished last year.

At 1400 I checked the batteries and they have not lost any charge! I'm really surprised, and bit confused as well! I had set Compass, Speedo, and Clock to the "BOTTOM" position 3 hours ago, and fully expected to see some serious battery drain when I checked it. I just turned all three functions to "TOP" to see if that will replicate the battery drain problem again. I can't figure out any obvious reason that the position on the DISPLAY screen, TOP as opposed to BOTTOM, would cause the issue. If I don't see any battery drain in a couple of hours, I'm totally stumped about what to test next. If any of you have any suggestions, please send 'em my way.

So I'm about to show my lack of technology knollege. My tablet has micro hdmi out, micro usb, and usb 3.0. the scope obviously has micro usb but says it needs a drive to read so I don't think I can get it to copy what it's seeing instintaniously tto my tablet tthat wyay. It has micro hdmi but I can't seem to figure out how to convert that to USB. I can find USB to HDMI but not the other way around. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

blindcowboy, What is it you're trying to do with the tablet? Are you trying to do a real-time viewfinder on the tablet?

EDIT: Also, what is your tablet running? Android, Windows, iOS, etc?

Sorry I just realized my original post wasn't included. I am blind and trying to let someone see what is in the scope realtime through the tablet so that they don't have to look over my shoulder. I am running a dell venue 11 pro with windows 8.1.

Ok,

I think I remember what blindcowboy was asking for earlier.

Without waiting for a response, I did some digging and found something that would work for a remote viewfinder via HDMI input.

First, the bad news: There is NO tablet that currently has HDMI input. People all over the internet are screaming for one, but so far, they don't exist.


The good news: They make devices that do what you want to do!

The type of device you're really looking for is called a Field Monitor. It's mostly used by film crews to view camera output while out shooting video.

Here's one that might fit your needs.

Transflective VGA Field Monitor

This is the cheapest one I could find. Most of the 'pro' units are $1200 and up.

The key things you'd look for when using a real-time external display for the scope:

1. Sunlight readable (The term is "Transflective". Most LCD/LED displays wash out, when outdoors, unless they are transflective.)
2. Battery Powered (you wont be near A/C power, so you need it to work in the field.)
3. HDMI Input (there are NO tablets that have this, so far. HDMI-to-USB video capture units cost as much as the above monitor - and the delay in conversion between HDMI and USB is an unknown factor you don't want to deal with.)

I hope this helps you blindcowboy. It's probably is the only affordable solution to do what you want it to do, in real-time without a big delay between the scope and the screen.

Just buy a micro HDMI to analog video converter from Radioshack and input into a LCD screen

Yep, that would work too. Like I said, it depends on when and where you'll be. If they'll be outside during the day, that LCD will wash out really bad. I guess if you can get by with a sunshade on the screen and that works - it's worth the cost savings.

The expense comes when that doesn't work, and you need a truly transflective screen to work in sunlight and such. They're just not cheap. I'm still digging looking for better ones.

One possibility could be to do a factory reset and start from there and see if the drain returns. If the drain returns we have a baseline of trouble, to work from. I will roll back my settings and see what happens.

OK; at 1700 I checked the batteries and they have not lost any charge that I can detect with my analog battery checker! I'm completely mystified. eyesofahunter, please try your factory reset to see what happens. For now, I'm going to wait and watch what goes on with my scope's batteries. I can't figure out anything, or any test case to run against it to see if the battery discharge issue resurfaces.

There are 12 volt LCD'S that accept hdmi and have sun shades. You'll need to be in shade or to be in a blind. It's doable without the high dollar stuff.

got any idea of a good place to find one?

I don't have any experience with this one, but it's a 7" monitor with built in rechargeable battery, HDMI input, sunshade. They are selling it for $189 with free shipping. If I find anything else I will post it up for you!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lilliput-7-inch-...=item565d80d974

At 1915 I checked the batteries again, and, again, they had lost none of their charge. I'm completely baffled. . . I'll keep everything the way it is overnight and do another check in the morning. In the past, I couldn't get 4 hours out of a fresh set of Energizer Lithiums with the scope in the static mode; now I'm coming up on 24 hours with no degradation in charge level. I just don't understand.

Hey Mikei, I've got an idea. It looks like you can put the battery cap on 2 different ways: with the contacts in the cap that create a "U" shape either towards the shooter or the target.

Now I don't know how the power leads go into the processor but from looking at the cap, the batteries are in a parallel and a in series configuration.

Could it be possible that if the cap is on 1 way, it is running off of 4 batteries and the other way only 2 batteries... and even possibly causing a short on the other 2 batteries???

That could explain why some people have reported that only 2 batteries were toast and the other 2 still good?

If this guy is proven right I will vote for him in the next election

LOL

There ya go...and there are a number of options on aliexpress...

Nay.... Regardless of which way you turn the cap you are merely completeing the contact between the positive side of the upper batteries to the negative side of the lower batteries.

Hmm. There is a single conductor in the cap, not two. In the config shown in the manual, the positive ends of two batteries touch this conductor, and the negative ends of the other two batteries also touch this same conductor.

I can't see how that can make the batteries run in series or parallel. To produce 3v with four batteries, shouldn't there be two conductors? Two batts in parallel and the two parallels in series?

I'm giving this a shot. I'll let y'all know what happens. Thanks to everyone who responded.

At 0600 today, I checked the batteries and they still had a full charge. It's like the static battery drain problem has vanished! Having worked on electromechanical things most of my life, I don't believe in "self healing" electrical problems. Spymoto, I did not check the orientation of the battery cap before replacing it. However, I would be surprised if that is the problem, since the little steel plate in the cap is one solid piece, so when the cap is on, regardless of the orientation, all the batteries are in the same, parallel circuit. But, since I'm totally out of options at this point, I'll mark the cap and begin testing with it in 180 degrees from the position I currently have it in. Thanks for the idea!

Cheers, let us know how it worked for you. I'm kinda interested my own self.

Prior to the arrival of my X-Sight, this was my setup:



When my "auto focus" (yeah...right) 3x arrived, it soured me on all optics, so I briefly considered switching to this:



Since things have started to improve a bit, I think now I MIGHT be able to get by with this:



I figure if the scope crashes or my batteries die, I can blind them with flares, spray 50 rounds, and then poke any leftover piggies in the face with the bayonet.

The flare launcher doubles as a fish finder! Humor! HAR HAR HAR HAR DEE HAR HAR!

At the two hour mark, 0900, I removed the battery cap, checked the batteries, and they were fully charged; this was with the closed part of the "U" oriented to face forward. I reversed the cap so that the open part of the "U" of the plate was facing forward, replaced it, and will check it in the next couple of hours.

This will be interesting, Mike. I am leaving a new set of batteries in mine for a month to see if they will power up the scope after I have left it "static" for that long. Hopefully, meanwhile, the Holy Grail of firmware will be posted.

That's a bad a$$ airsoft setup s6275 !

That isn't airsoft.

It IS probably 25 lbs. of rifle, though (with the drum mag full of 308). I can't see ever leaving the house with it set up like picture #3 (maybe without the flare launcher/ bayonet, though). On second thought, you know...I bet recoil would be downright polite. Maybe I will try it once.

After two hours with the battery cap orientation flipped 180 degrees, the batteries are still fully charged. So here's a review:
Problem to be fixed: Rapid Battery Drain Even With Scope in Static Condition
Running .228 firmware
GPS and WiFi off
No still or video images taken
Compass, Clock and Speedometer set for a couple of hours at "TOP," then at "BOTTOM," then at "NONE"
Battery cap rotated to put different parts of the conductive plate in the cap in different orientations for a couple of hours
Observations: None of these tests showed any indication of any change in the rate at which the batteries lost their charges

I'm out of ideas, AND, the scope's batteries appear to be holding their charge, even over night, when before I began the testing, they wouldn't last 4 hours!

Maybe there was something "gapping" in your battery cover that, through the removal/ replacement cycles you've been through, has solved itself?

Holy #$%^, that is indeed a bad a$$ looking rifle s6275.

Thanks! We're buried in snow here, and I wouldn't be going out much anyway, but while I am waiting on weather and my self-imposed 30-day standby battery test, I really hope they get the X-Sight working as advertised. The Accupoint has been VERY accurate, but it is 1-4x, and a 3-12 scope will "pick up where that leaves off"...I hope.

s6275, it may very well be that the repetitive removal and replacement of the battery cover did "something." I even emptied the battery compartment and looked inside to see if there were pieces of debris/flashing that might have been shifting around and causing issues. I found nothing. The problem is, I don't know what that "something" might have been! As I said in a previous post, I don't have any experience with electrical and mechanical things fixing themselves. It just doesn't happen. And it makes me a bit anxious about taking the scope hunting unless I bring my battery checker and at least 2 extra sets of batteries. It's not exactly the kind of reliability performance I was looking for when I purchased this scope. Some of the other issues are certainly annoying but there are workarounds for most of them, and the scope is still functional. Random power failures are harder to deal with, especially when you're sitting in a hog blind waiting for a sounder of piggies to make their appearance. If anyone figures out what caused these failures, please let us all know!

I`m thinking the two top and two bottom run in parallel and the bottom section of the "U" in the cap put those 2 banks in series.

Whats interesting is that I put 4 of the good Duracel rechargeable batteries (new) in the scope and the low battery icon was on right away. But when experimenting with how the battery setup is laid out (series/parrallel), I was using cheap alkaline batteries and only used 2 batteries and no low battery icon! Yes the scope will run on only 2 batteries, the top and bottom slots together on either the left or right side. It is possible that the rechargeable batteries were not fully charged, but the package says they come charged and ready to go.

Interesting, Spymoto. My scope will NOT run if two of the batteries are dead. That's what started me down the path of trying to figure out why the batteries were discharging so rapidly. And, with my scope, it always the two batteries that have the negative end sticking out, to the right, from the compartment. And I'm using the Energizer Lithiums.

Could the batteries just have been defective. Im using the engerizer ultimate lithiums and still running the ones I first put in the scope.

MGP, I used different batteries from different bubble paks to try to see if I'd just gotten a bad or weak run of batteries. Did not seem to be the case. I'm becoming more and more convinced that my particular scope has a rather unique problem, since very few folks have experienced the same kind of problem I'm having (or, was having!).

Just confirming here from this last post, your battery layout is (-) across the top and (+) across the bottom correct? I Ask because you said the (-) pair are on the right, which is different than mine.

The + and - are a group on each side, if one of those pairs are dead it won't work. Also, it won't power up if you have have one of each +/-, on either side. They pair together left stack or right stack only with 2 batteries.

Spymoto, with the scope laying on its side, with the objective lens facing to my left, when I open the battery hatch, I see 2 batteries with their positive terminals facing up, and they are on top of 2 batteries that have their negative terminals facing up. The problems I have had are with the two batteries with their negative terminals facing up and out of the battery compartment. With the scope standing up in its normal, mounted position, there are two batteries with their positive terminals facing out, to my right, and they are on top in the battery compartment; and two with their negative terminals facing out, to my right, beneath the other two. Again, it's those two, with the outward facing negative terminals, that have discharged prematurely. What I can't figure out is, if they're a "matched set," why is it that the two with the negative ends sticking out become totally discharged while the "upper two" with the positive terminals facing out maintain a full and complete charge!

Took my scope out for a test run this weekend.
Took the -10 degree temp in stride, without any real issues except the expected battery drain from the extreme cold.
I did notice that as time went on, the shoot able distance went from an easy 200 yards, to 100 yards after a few hours running time.No amount of extra IR power brightened it up.
I forgot to bring the .200 firmware card, so I couldn't upload it to see if it would solve the problem.
I had no problems in day mode, except for the disappearing reticle issue when going past 3.5x zoom.
My .20 practical is traveling at 4,100 fps, so I thought I might not have that issue with such a flat shooting round that didn't need a lot of adjustment from the 0-0 center.
It hit where I was aiming, even with the reticle way off center.
I primarily kept it at 1x the whole time and had no problem hitting my 100 yard target.
No shots at anything but paper, but I don't see why it wouldn't have hit anything I aimed it at in the field.
I'm going to load the .200 version and see if it gets a brighter picture at night for next weekends hunt.
That's if it doesn't snow another 2 feet and that anything but an idiot testing his scope will be stupid enough to be out in sub zero temps.

Well, folks, the scope stayed "on" in the static condition all night, with only the GPS and WiFi features turned off, and the batteries check out fine this morning! I'm totally mystified. Don't what was causing the issue, and will still make sure I have plenty of batteries on hand when I go afield with the scope. I appreciate all the feedback and suggestions you all have provided over the last few days. If the problem rears its ugly head again, I'll let everyone know.

Batteries lasting 4 hours, that's fine with me, if they last longer, then that's a bonus, I wouldn't have any complaints even at 4 hours, my thermal scope lasts 2.5 hours or less with 2 CR123's

Lol, a flare launcher and a bayonet, looks like airsoft to me as those are useless, sorry 6275, I couldn't resist

Couple things:
- it was a joke
- none of it is airsoft
- I don't care what you think (particularly if you giggle at the fish finder joke)

I have a 5x here that when I get time I will post some video. You guys liking these scopes? I did not read the whole thread. But I feel for the money, you get a lot with this scope.

LOL, the thread is about firmware updates and problems, a followup to the last firmware update thread that like this one, had hundreds of posts on scope issues and people trying to resolve them.

Woo hoo! I just received an email notification of a firmware update...

...for .228.

At least they included a rudimentary "changelog," right?

Most places I have seen list additions, bugs addressed, and remaining bugs. It would be nice to see something closer than that.

Ha Ha, I just got it too. Looks like they are trying to post what the fixes are. I saw it and got excited that we a new update till I opened it. ATN likes to tease us I guess.

Where did you get these Li-ion recharables?

I have been testing the Kentli batteries now for the
whole weekend and i get about 5-6 hours uptime on one
set(4xAA), wifi on, no gps/recording or other things on.
You can get them here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4pcs-KENTLI-1-5v...=item5b058d45af

2800mWh = 760mAh or so

Yep.

Dear X-Sight Users!

Here are a few improvements included in the newest firmware update:

Reticle now appears in recorded video;

Digital zoom has been limited to 4x, user can remove limiter in settings;

Compass can now self calibrate after initial user calibration;

Improved HDMI stability;

Bug fixes.

One thing to bear in mind, is that lithiums tend to discharge with very little drop in voltage until they are just about done, then they fall off very fast. So a direct measurement gets a little tough.

you're right, as things progress on the updates, it does work well and great deal for the price

some major changes still needed in firmware, but its getting there

just messin with you, I believe HTxHogs message was joking, I did the same

Tapper, yes, I've seen that happen. With my analog battery checker, I'm not expecting to detect a gradual degradation. It's pretty much an "ON" or "OFF" thing with the lithiums.

I noticed on my email notification that there was no mention of this being a "Beta" release. Could it be that they've now released a "production" level of .228?

Not according to their download page (still reads "Beta update").

Yep; you're right. When I opened it up it had the same "Beta" reference as before. Hope springs eternal. . .

I saw the email as well while sitting at my desk yesterday, I'll admit I was hoping it was another fix to the .228. Oh well.....Thanks to you guys that were doing the battery test this weekend. I had thought I had everything shut off and when checking I did not. Still using the alkalines I was able to get 4 hours and fifteen minutes from start to shut off. The low battery icon started flashing two hours into the test. Put a new set of batteries in and let sit overnight and no power drain that I could tell, i'll be using the lithiums on the hunt though. Still not convinced my shimming work I mentioned previously is going to hold so plan on Re-zeroing without the shim tonight. I have other optics I am going to take so in the event I'm not satisfied with my 5x18 i'll have backups. Two more days and I'll be in the woods fella's. My lovely wife commented last night that she wished I got this excited about trips to the beach or to Historic Charleston with her. Guess I need to put on a better act in the future.

Wildone, what functions did you still have up and running when you got your 4 hours and 15 minutes of battery time? Then you said that you put in a new set of batteries and experienced no power drain. How was your scope set up for the overnight test?

I did a test with my Ankar Astro E3 external battery. I followed the protocol that you did, MrKingLouie, and got the very same results. So, my Sight will run from an external battery source, but setting it up like this leaves the 3 ports/slots in the scope open to the elements. A bit of rain or blowing dust could have major consequences, so if I decide to use the external battery, it will be under very tightly controlled climate conditions.

Thread has gone kind of quiet. Guess we're all down to waiting on Sachal and news of an update now. Anything Sachal? New firmware progress? We need you to keep us cheered up since your company sold us a product that does not conform to the description of it on ATN,s website, or on the box it came in for that matter. Thanks.

Battery test with Energizer NIMH Rechargeable
-Freshly charged
-Day time 60 degrees
-(Compass, Time, GPS, WIFI) turned OFF or put to NONE
-Brightness set at: 2
-Covered objective in between time checks

@ 33 min - battery indicator came on
@ 40 min - (noticed some screen flickering)
@ 75 min - zoom function still worked
@ 90 min - zoom function worked but left and right arrows states “battery power to low for this function” comes on
@ 125 min- still able to view and use zoom function (battery indicator blinking away)
@ 185 min – Still running, zoom function still worked, everything still would turn on and function except (WIFI and the left/right arrows) would indicate “battery power to low for this function”
Note: (I apparently did not turn off the “Mic” and “Geo tag” functions. So they have been on entire time) oops…
@ 300 min - Still running, zoom function still worked, everything still would turn on and function except (WIFI and the left/right arrows) would indicate “battery power to low for this function” …. Stopped test… 300 minutes/5hrs

Well looks like you can get some time out of it if you dont use some of the goofy or not so goofy functions.

Grey, I think we're all sitting around, holding our breath, to see what the next firmware update will bring to us!

HI GANG!!!
I started another post: ATN X-SIGHT: your max. safe nighttime shooting distance???

it is in the optics section so PLEASE post your nighttime shooing experiences with the xsight there!!
thanks

Thanks for the report, RONIN. If we can figure out which of the functions are causing the battery drain, we can turn those off when we don't think we'll be using them, and it will also give ATN a "shopping list" of additional items to address in future firmware releases.

Hey mikei......In the office when I saw your question this morning and didn't have time to reply. I haven't had the time to devote to the ATN Xsight 5x18 as I have wanted or what some of the other posters have had but will try to decribe what I have done to the best of my ability, but I should add that you and one or two or more have done far more testing than me so just sharing what I have found thus far, helpful or not. Prior to downloading the .200 and .228 firmware I didn't see a power drain when I left the batteries in the scope and shut off. didn't happen that often though as I never knew when I was going to get back to it so took batteries out. Since downloading the .228 firmware I did in fact notice a reduction in battery time. 30 minutes or so, depended on how I zoomed and such although I thought I was fair and trying to simulate somewhat of being in the woods. After the posts that I read this weekend from you and others this weekend I learned several things that I dind't know or think of, Hell that's why I hooked up with this site. to learn from you guys. I think I basically shut everything off, alitude, compass, GPS, Michrophone, Video, Camera.....There may be something else I missed but can't recall at the time. Please let me know!!!! Not really a newbie but more so an older fella trying to get back in the game as long as he can. This spell checker crap isn't helping me any!!!! Have a great evening.

I have not had much time to tinker but I have been thinking about the battery issue. When running your tests have you kept the micro SD card in or out? Mine was holding up much better with the setting I posted before and the SD card in. I took out the card and it seemed the batteries quickly ran down. Maybe fluke event but since this product is cloaked in mystery though I should post the question.

Did you test the ability to take a picture/video, I found mine lost that ability once the low battery indicator came on. Also did you have the sd card in?

Not sure who you directed this question to, but in my case, I had the micro SD card in place at first; then tried it with the SD card out of the scope. I presumed that the SD card was just sitting there, needing no volts or milliamps to do its static thing; but then I thought that, just to be sure we had that base covered, I ought run the tests with it out of the scope. I saw no discernible difference in battery drain rate. Like you say, there's more than just a bit of mystery surrounding this product, so I guess we Beta Testers have to try to test every possible scenario.

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When pushing the left and right arrows buttons which controls the turn on of movie/camera you will notice at minute 185 it indicated that the battery was to low at that point to even turn those on.

But no the SD card was not in.

thats a whole other test... lol

In all honesty if we have majority of the different functions turned on and running even with efficient battery usage this scope would run 1-1.5hr maybe 2 hours of power.

man I haven't read this thread all day and no new firmware, what gives?

After having the scope turned off for several hours, we had a brief bit of sunshine appear, so I ran out and tried to take a couple of pics. I have been messing with the brightness control and didn't bother to fix it before taking the pics. Also, ignore the dates and times! The batteries have been in and out of this scope so many times in the last several days it has returned to the default settings for date and time. Oh, and yes, that is a pumpkin under the target stand; I sent it to pumpkin heaven after I was through taking pics.

so does this mean if we take the batteries out for a few days we have to resight the scope in?

I don't know if it loses its sight zeroing coordinates, but mine lost its memory in the area of date and time. There does not appear to be a "keep alive" function on the scope, so I'm assuming that much if not all of the data points we enter will be lost when the batteries are removed. Not a good thing, in my opinion.

NO, you don't have to re-zero the scope when taking the batteries out. It retains zero without them.

Lets just say the scope reset it self. just make sure you have your X & Y coordinates written down then you would just go to zero menu and set to your coordinates and be done.

yes Keep your X Y coordinatees written down... just in case you never know.

I just went back to .200. The inability to see, even with a UNV20ir, was infuriating.

The failure of an ATN representative to come onto this forum and definitively specify whether or not the X-Sight will lose its zero if the batteries are removed for awhile is equally infuriating. As usual, it will most likely be up to some of us owners to figure it out. I have had the batteries out of mine for a couple weeks since initially zeroing it in during daylight. Weather and work are keeping me away from the range, otherwise I would have been back out with my X-Sight for some more testing. In my mind, the only thing saving ATN from some litigious pushback is the fact that there is still a chance that the firmware for the product will eventually mature to a point where the product functionality will be pleasing and acceptable. The road to this maturity is, however paved on the patience of us "early adopters." Very questionable business ethics. Kind of been looking at Pulsar Digisights, notwithstanding ATN has a chunk of my money and I in turn have a chunk of their product, to which point the company is not getting out of this until I am satisfied; said satisfaction attained by A: the maturing of the product, B: My money returned if the aforementioned A: does not occur within the next 12 months (rather generous timeframe), or C: there is class action litigation over the marketing of the product and I am sufficiently compensated for time and money potentially wasted on the X-Sight.

I could respond to all that, but I won't. My view is not the popular one, or at least not the one of the most vocal.

However, I'll just say this.

If you feel you have a class action case, by all means, please take it to a lawyer. Post the interaction on YouTube. Seriously. I want to see what happens. It will be a genuinely interesting 30 second conversation.

I have already said that the sight will retain zero with the batteries out of it. I took my batteries out every time I used my scope and the zero was the same.

Same here. I have no loss of zero when leaving the batteries out for 2 - 3 days. I'm not sure I can stay away from playing with it longer than that

Sachal, you out there? We miss you buddy.. Do you have any inside info you can give us?

Hi all....new guy to the forum. My 5-18 should be here Saturday to mount on my bmag. We are limited to centerifre and shotgun for night hunting here in Michigan. This will be replacing my MK 350.

I know ATN has some hurdles to go through to get this 100% and I am ready to cope with things until they are worked out....

Looking forward to reading and seeing some fur on the ground from these units.

TK
Bob

Question...how well would like a sure fire m600v work for ir support? I know the 200 is the gold standard but wouldn't mind getting light and ir if it works...

I also switched back to the .200 version and all is working well again, except for the known issues that I'm hoping will be fixed with the next newest firmware update.
I'm so glad that I'm able to download the older firmware, or this scope would be heading back for a refund.
One thing to note, is that even though I couldn't see well through the viewfinder in NV mode, that wasn't the case with the recorded video taken. That came out crystal clear and bright.
One of these times they'll get it right, hopefully before they get to the .500th firmware upgrade I hope?

I don't know if anyone noticed this.
I changed back to .200 firmware and before I did I checked my X Y coordinates and they were different than what I zeroed my scope at and the only thing I did was play with the new reticle function but then turned it off its the only thing that could have changed my X Y coordinates my Zero was X42 Y32 and before I reverted back to .200 firmware I checked them and they were at X63 Y48 i did not shoot to confirm any POI change. So anyone that has played with the new reticle function check your zero!!!! Im going to try to shoot it today to verify my coordinates are the same as they were with the .228 firmware.

My X Y was different between the two firmwares. I just wrote them down for both and put them in my notes on the phone. The difference was about 6 inches at 100 yards between the two firmwares. I'm back at the 228, after I did a factory reset it seems like its not dimming down after a few seconds anymore. Fish finder still not working right though (sorry I had to throw that in there)

would be nice for an update

Hey guys I have a question I got an xsight. I mounted it and went to sight it in this morning but can not get crosshairs far enough down to impact on target. Got it about an inch high at 25 yards and but lowest in can go is still 8 inches high at 50 yards any ideas? Also as I zoom in the cross hairs go away. Any help would be appreciated.

Common problem, You may have to shim the scope. We have been waiting for a fix for that from atn since the scope came out.

Thanks for the help sir.

Today I got sick of waiting out the answer to a month-old question that I asked Sachal, so I took the sunshade from my 3x to the sporting goods store. FYI, the Butler Creek cover you need is #28. You're welcome.

I read the 3 X didnt come with any lense cover at all, is that true?

You mean in spite of the "manual" saying you should use lens covers in a size they aren't able or willing to release?

Yes. No lens cover included.

(cue diatribe about how, if we want to be picky, spending 10x more money gets us a lens cover on the competitor's product/ the objective lens on the 3x is made of Unobtanium crystal, and 5x owners can pay a small fee for a 4-6 week retrofit of the 5x Unobtanium objective)

Sachal, give us an update.

Ok finally got the sight sighted in. I saw that everyone recommends writing down x and y is that data shown somewhere if so where at or should I have been keeping track the whole time?

Also is there an instruction Manuel that should have came with it or that I can download?

http://manual.atncorp.com/

The X/Y coordinates will be in the top right corner of the screen when your in sight in mode.
Make sure your in the lowest zoom when recording the data, as it'll change when zooming in.
The manual that came with my scope is nothing special, but a lot better than the ATN site.
If it wasn't for this forum, there would be a lot more scope returns for ATN to deal with.
Maybe Sachal will chime in one of these days with some good news ?

Has anyone else tried these yet? To the OP are they still performing well?

Anyone know the FOV on the sight? (unzoomed)

Gang my 5-18 will be here tomorrow. Can someone measure the length of the rail mount. This is going on my bmag and if I need to pick up another rail to mount to my rifle I would like to do that after work tonight.

Hi, yea i'm pretty satisfied with the Kentli's, been using them
in my Garmin Astro and 2 way radio for over a year, and with
5-6 hours X-Sight uptime with rechargable batteries, thats good
enough fort me. As for now i sent the 5x back to get a 3x
instead, will do some more testing when i get the new one.

/MKL

I noticed while hunting with .228 over the weekend that if I snap a still photo, the image in the viewfinder brightens back up for a while.

-ww

Thanks MKL...

I noticed while hunting with .228 over the weekend that if I snap a still photo, the image in the viewfinder brightens back up for a while.

-ww [/quote]

Same here. Sometimes when my batteries get low my green screen turns to a rose color but I can still see everything. I decided to take a picture so I could view it later to verify the picture was rose. Well, taking the picture removed the rose.

I'm on .200 firmware.

Ordered two sets of the Kentli batteries to give them a try. March 4 - April 7 is a long time even for a slow boat from China

Maybe your scope will be made to work like the box says it does by then!

Seriously funny but I doubt it . I have to admit, I'm having fun with it though. Been chasing two large boars on my lease that continue to evade me. Named them El Cucuy and El Jefe. Smart rascals that I feel have patterned me!

When I decide to start shooting raccoon's, it will be fun!

Hey Fella's, Back from my hog hunt in south Georgia. I know we all are experimenting with the X site, some more extensively than others but will say that once I zeroed at the range it held even after the baterries were pulled. This scope is not without it's faults as we know but I shot two pigs at 100 yards +. Dusk and night and three days apart. The lihtium batteries I used (Energizer) still going after 15 hours of use. I shot a boar at 100 yds, in the dark and through the left ear and out the right. Precisly where I was aiming. Take it as you will. My shimming held but no way is it long term. There were several mentions of a dimming scope, I did experience this. the .200 firmware didn't do this. Not going to describe the entire event of the trip but the scope will kill pigs, without a doubt. Just my opinion and experience guys.

Widone, nicely stated and I too am enjoying using the X-sight in spite of it's advertised shortcomings.

I get the same rose color when I first turn it on sometimes, and just as the moon started rising Saturday the image was amazing both for its colors and the level of detail that was showing. I might use that "mode" intentionally if it was available.

-ww

Anybody had the base bolt break? Last night during a hunt I had the nut just pop off. The bolt just snapped. Cheap hardware

Here is a bit of a Update for you guys.

"Scott Country International-- Hello Eric, yes indeed we have been made aware of a date. This fix moves the background rather than the reticle, ensuring the reticle stays central to the screen, as well as some other enhancements. We have a X Sight running the new BETA firmware and it is smooth, crisp and excellent quality day and night. The light is at the end of the tunnel."

Thanks Eric. Hopefully the rest of us paying customers / involuntary beta testers will get access to the latest beta version pretty soon!

Yea, I noticed that the 228 firmware on ATN FB page has been removed. Perhaps that is a sign.

Good news as mine will be here today and my eBay T 20 later this week.

sachal any word yet on updates, improvements, ya even out there?

I still see the .228 firmware on the ATN site? I would love a sign, any sort of sign that the "Holy Grail" ie. new 2.0 firmware is coming soon!

Tom

Guys sorry I hate to do this but a search isn't getting me anywhere. My 5 - 18 came today and it has .184 for the firmware. I thought I read some place where somebody had it saved to download...can anyone point me in the direction?

Thank King Louie:

https://app.box.com/s/kabfjqdhem34k03c30st

What is it that you are trying to do, Update to 200. If you want the newest firmware you need to just go to the ATN web site and pull it. If you want 200 then do what Mikei said. I would recommend 200 as there are a bunch of issues with the 228.

Hi Eric,
The link is there on ATN website but when you click it you get a page not found error. Tech support said try pulled it. He didn't know when the new version would be out.

I was able to get .200 for now and I think I will wait for the new update to come out.

Gheez..just reread my original post...no wonder Eric didn't know what I needed......just to anxious to get this thing going....ugh...

Thanks Mikey that is where I found it...

And thanks KingLouie for posting this.

I didnt know that you got a error on ATN's web site, this may be a good sign that they are going to post the new update. Great now we are all going to watch the web site. Who wants the first shift. Lol

HAHA....I am on it hitting refresh now...LOL

Sometimes that light is a train coming your way !
It's good news and interesting that ATN is doing their testing overseas, not here in the states ?
Maybe we've been a little to tough on Ol' Sachal and he's not going to say a peep till the blokes across the pond give him a thumbs up ?

It may be because Scott Country has been very vocal in trying to help x-sight buyers and so far as I know none of the US distributors have gotten involved at all.

There's four topics in this section discussing the X sight and plenty of American users that would do it and have been testing for them since the get go.
Maybe those American individuals are testing and keeping quiet on the matter ?
Sachal has been on here many times discussing the matter and giving us updates, so ATN knows there are users here willing and able to test their products.
When you have updates that the users can download into their scope, you don't need the distributors help in testing.
Being that we haven't heard from Sachal in awhile, leads me to believe that he's keeping quiet to stem the flow of negative comments if their updates fail and will chime in with good news if the update worked over the big pond.
I know they tested the .228 update in the UK and they claimed it worked, but when US users updated their scopes, there were issues from the start.

Gosh darn all those opinions - you've got them figured...

OR

perhaps in the UK they are about to hold The British Shooting Show Friday the 13th through Sunday the 15th and the UK vendor might have a vested interest (they bought a bunch of X-sights) in demonstrating the scope using a test firmware for whatever reason.

It could be just as simple as that

Testing is best done in a controlled environment where they know as many as the variables as possible (batteries used, lighting condition, know good scopes etc). Maybe this time they are trying to do it right and things fixed.

The .228 firmware is back up on ATN's site. It looks like it being down was a false alarm.

Of the worst kind.

So the problematic Beta .228 update for X sight owners being given "after" the SHOT show was a planned decision from ATN ?
Makes sense, as why would anyone purchase the scope knowing it has problems , Right ?
I like the scope, but please don't make excuses for them.

I had the impression that ATN was running .228 in its demo units during the shot show, hoping that it was an improvement over the .200. Unfortunately, when we got hold of .228, it became apparent that it also had issues.
I was also thinking that HuntTxHogs was being sarcastic, but what do I know.
I just want ATN to get it together and get us what we paid for.

The point is that I countered your opinion with mine and you comprehend it as defending ATN.

You'd be better served posting facts, again another of my opinions.

The .228 firmware was released day 3 of SHOT not "after" , and that be a fact not an excuse.

Maybe we need an X-sight opinions thread?

well y'all keep it up, I just ordered mine with overnight air express. now ya gonna get the questions.

I ordered my 2nd one last night. I got the 5x-18x for myself, they didn't have the 3x in stock when I ordered. Decided to go with the 3x for my son to get a bigger field of view.

Thankfully Cabela's ships them from WV to me so it should be here in a couple days.

I know someone posted it here already, but for the life of me I can't find it.

What is the Butler Creek scope cap that fits the 5-18x? Not sure if it's 46, 47, or 48.

I found the 3x should be a #28.

Thanks in advance.

VAFish - I just found my receipt for mine - it was the Butler Creek 48 for the 5-18.

So I guess we should be expecting the newest firmware update available sometime on the 15th( the third day of the Brit show) then, or maybe on the 14th, considering the time zone difference ? I better fact check that.
We have four X sight opinion threads here already, why start another ?
All sarcasm aside, it would've been nice to get notice from ATN about an impending update before finding out about it from the brits, who've been testing it already it seems.

Apparently ATN has some aversion to giving out ANY info on the X-sight problems, fixes, or firmware. I know Sachal gave out a little for a while but even he hasn't posted anything lately. Of course if you look at the ATN web site or any US distributor web site it will tell you everything works great, no issues or beta testing is mentioned, nothing. So they continue to sucker more buyers in and then they find out it definitely doesn't work "as advertised"!

I just don't understand why ATN will not communicate with their paying customers. A classic example of "Customer No Service". Maybe they will eventually get everything working correctly but it has changed my and probably many others opinion of this company forever.

when you set the x/y for sight in what magnification is everyone using? does it have to be at 1x or can you sight in at 3x or 5x? just wondering if the higher magnification would help with the wandering reticle on higher mag.

don't have mine till tomorrow but won't have much time to sight in before sat. hunt.

Well... TechEyes has shipped my scope. They called me yesterday to let me know about it (suspiciously the day after I emailed them for the 6th time in as many months). However, I'm okay with the delay, since I got the 10% off preorder discount, bringing my 3-12x to $529 flat.

Once it arrives, my planned checklist:
- Unpack, inspect, ensure all items intact
- Check mounting bracket alignment
- Volt-test included batteries via digital multimeter
- READ THE MANUAL (A.K.A "RTFM")
- Install batteries, perform scope POST (Power On Self Test)
- Record firmware version.
- Format SD Card
- Perform function test
- Install included IR Illuminator, function test

- Prepare Firmware update
- Update firmware
- Scope POST
- Confirm Firmware update success
- Function test

Once these steps are complete, I will report back. Soon, when I comment, I will have "authority" to state my opinions. Whether they are respected without derision or not, well... that's another story. We'll see.

Given the various bugs reported related to zooming, I would zero it at 1X (unzoomed).

Zeroing at 1X worked for me, and when I zoomed to different powers, the zero held, since POI did not change. It also held even after numerous removal and replacement of the batteries during my testing.

FYI, Mine didn't include any batteries for the scope, only for the IR Illuminator. Also does not come with a Micro SD Card.

Probably should pick those things up before the scope arrives so you can play with it the moment it does.

So back on track and off of the sparring opinions tip

Here are two videos posted from a UK user (assumed 228 firmware)

60 yards



90 yards



So the question is what is the US equivalent of the Nightmaster 800 IR ?

The guy who posted these videos says he can see past 300 yards with the NM800 on full power.

Seems like the way to go with these X-sights as I have to admit the two videos above look like the best quality of footage to date that I have seen in night performance from the unit.

The t67's that I have and at least one other here seem to be excellent for long range at night. They are based on the t20 illuminators with an upgraded head. Three light levels and run on the 16850 battery and are focusable.
I can id out to at least 300 yds on a half moon night. about 450 on a full moon. Havent tested on a new moon yet. Just been sitting back waiting on the "sparring" to end and see something constructive come about.

Thanks Shadow, is there any truth to components being in short supply for T67s - mainly the glass ?

Is there a place to buy the T67 Stateside?

I have one but it appears much larger than the referenced NM800 and the focus may not be as tight as the NM800.

Any other options?

The source I used was still selling them last week, I havent check since then.

I believe I found them awhile back here in the US but for double the price the I got mine for from Scotland.

Focus out to 450 is good and tight, I believe it will work for your 500 yd field without any problem. Just make sure to get ultra high 1" mounts though.

Does anyone have experience/opinions on this T 20 variation:

Irlightbuilds UniqueFire T-20 IR 850nm

http://www.hightechredneckincorporated.com/Irlightbuilds-UniqueFire-T-20-IR-850nm-p/nva3155.htm

Thanks

My 228 firmware X-Sight does not look anything like the above video through the view finder, but does fine on the recording. The NM800 has been cussed and discussed frequently in the UK, but the users generally prefer the T20 style IR's over it.

The glass originally used on the T67 was discontinued I believe. I know last I looked it was becoming hard to get.

Ian (IRlightbuilds) does build them in Scotland. There can be some pitfalls with that route however.

Ultimate Night Vision does have the new dual battery T67 wherein it uses two 26650's. The light can be a bit bulky and heavy like any T67 compared to a T20, but the 26650's last a long time.

Testing the T20 style lights, T50 and T67's side by side, the smaller lights do a pretty good job of keeping up for most shooters at the distances they would shoot most of the time. The bigger glass on the 50's and 67's does get you out a little further, but most folks are not shooting 300 - 400 yards at night.

Sorry guys, been quite busy but here is a sneak preview.

Another firmware is being tested and hopefully will be released in a week or two. It would have the center reticle zoom also improved battery life.

Without derision, or without you potentially eating some crow when you find yourself with some of the reported and confirmed issues? Yeah...we WILL see.

I don't necessarily want to shoot 300+ yards but I'd like to see clearly out that far especially with a zoom capability like the X-sights.

Are the UK folks cussing the NM800 because it washes out the image? They hunt in close and I could see that being a gripe but not likely one that US hunters would suffer from.

Might need to see about ordering one of these NM800s based on video I saw above.

I have that same version and in my opinion, it works great. The click when turning it on is pretty loud, but that's solved with the remote pig tail attachment. I got mine on Eeek bay for half the price in the link. I was going to buy the doubler, but it's more than powerful enough for the ranges I'm shooting now, That's out to 200 yards.
Are the videos from the newest firmware testing ?
The videos look good, except for the disappearing reticle.
I'm getting that type of quality in the videos I've taken so far.
I have it on the higher quality setting.
When I download them to the computer, it gives me two videos to choose from.
One is better quality than the other. I tried messing around with the settings, but I can't figure out how to only get one video yet.
I'm looking forward to the new update Sachal and thanks for the notice.

Ben, last I knew you didn't own an X-Sight anymore so that you could see what some of us (maybe all) are experiencing. Did you go get another one?

As for the videos, the user states he has the 228 firmware. The recorded image looks nice at 60 and 90 yards. But that isn't the problem. Several folks here have posted the same issue I have with 228, that is you can't see well at all through the view finder. Some have reverted back to 200 because of it.

It isn't about the illuminator. A T20 style illuminator will produce an equal image to what is seen in these videos as compares to the NM800. At this moment, I have tried all sorts of illuminators, including the T67, and there is no way I can see 300 yards. The sensor just doesn't pick it up.

I did record it tonight and will see if it is worth posting tomorrow. The original prototype would see that far anf further. The 200 firmware did better. Something has changed.

But it has nothing to do with needing some other illuminator.

Here is a 300 yard silhouette taken with the prototype using a T20 style illuminator. You can see from this that even without mag it could see beyond 300 yards.

They hunt reasonably long distance for night also. They don't just shoot barn rats and rabbits in the field at 50 yards. They shoot fox way out there. The images you posted looked a bit washed out to me because they couldn't or didn't turn the IR down or defocus. That is one reason I like mine with a dimmer. Some nights you don't need full power.

Sachal,

Is this the long awaited 2.0 firmware?

The NM800 does not wash out the image at all in my experience even in its highest brightness setting. Nightmaster now sell a dimmer switch tailcap for the lamp as well - but you need a dimmable led.
The T67 is more equivalent to a nightmaster x-searcher, which is effectively a bigger head on the same body and led as the nm800.
I may pick one up at the Shooting Show tomorrow so will report back on it use with the x-sight if I do.

They are not cheap, but great torches.

There's quite a lot of talk about the Coyote Light over here which guys are importing from the US. That would be worth a look with an IR led.

The new T50 and T67 is using only one
battery, small and compact, I have the
T50 myself and it is doing the job well.

So it looks like I may need to do a bit more research on the NM800 because I am confused on where it stands in performance related to the T20 and T67.

The illuminator has every bit as much importance as the scope/firmware in the final performance equation and I haven't had a need for more than a T20 until I started with the X-sight.

My unit was returned to the dealer and I have not asked for a replacement as I await the new SDK and firmware but the intention is to get an X-sight again.

Thanks for the responses

I have been pleased with my UNV20ir. Easily 100 yards plus. I do also intend to get the "ir module" for my "green" lr66 sniper hawg light if they ever get those ir units back in stock, and will look forward to comparing.

Yes Sir!

Thanks Sachal, it kind of feels like Christmas all over again!

Sachal, one thing I forgot to ask. Do you know if the new 2.0 firmware will address the "dimming" issue in the .228 release?

My X-Sight's shipping tracking estimates delivery on the 17th, a couple days shy of my Birthday. Now we'll have 2.0 firmware sometime in the next couple of weeks.

Happy Birthday to me, I guess It's probably a good thing it's going to be cold outside around here. Gives me time to really get to know the thing before I take it out.

Hi From way down under

I use the X Sight and the Night Master 800 quite a lot now

Here is a video with both the provided IR and the NM800 - the standard IR was version 174 and the NM800 in the video is a bit later, maybe 200


We buy ours from the factory
http://www.dereelight.com/nightmaster.php

I've used the 850nm 'pill' but will also get a 940nm as well, unsure how well it will work - but its a easy change

Thanks faregame! Think I may just purchase another tomorrow at the British Shooting Show. Your video along with the promise of the new firmware may just have swung me away from the Pulsar. I have the new T38 and it is not as good as the Night master 800. Had them both mounted a couple of nights ago. Night master have a brand new one out, its the Venom Strike. Will be looking at that as well. Quick clip on Youtube.

I think the NM800 is equivalent to the T50. It uses an 850nm DR-IR LED if that means anything to you!

I don't know how the T50 compares to a Nightmaster as only have the latter, but it is an excellent lamp.

More spec is found at the dereelight website under Nightmaster

The NM800 is better yes, comparing to all the, T20/38,T50 and T67, but at what cost,
seens like the T series is doing the job at a lower cost....
But that just me, saying that

/MKL

Dont know about advertising, but pm me for the
T series and i might help you...

okay, so I got my x sight and am trying to update the firmware to 200, follow instructions and no prompt after I start it up so what am I doing wrong?

Need more info than that.
Is the filename xsight.bin?
is there any messages in the viewfinder?
Did you format the sd card?
New batteries?

yes xsight1.8.00.200.bin 40.4mb

no msgs in finder just reticle

formatted it twice before download, 16gb micro

2000 mah new rechargeable just off the charger after an all night charge

just did factory reset on settings and will try again.

Have you made sure that the sd card is all the way in? Some units the card wont seat all the way causing the scope to not recognize it.

When you check the sd csrd on the computer did the file actually make it to the sd card?

yep on the card for sure, checked through computer/drive f (mine is f on here).

will try resetting the card again

oh and if it makes any difference it has the red buttons

still nothing

There are some threads on www.nightvisionforumuk.com about getting the update on. from memory when i did mine.

load bin file on your microsd
have xsight off batteries out
put microsd in xsight
load batteries switch on
should see 0-100% load up on in viewfinder
xsight will look like it has freezed
do a hard reset take batery cap off
put battery cap back on switch on
should be updated

pain in the butt but apparently somewhere in the online manual
hope that helps

think I found the problem, the file did not have bin on the end when I downloaded, added now.

also can not get the wifi to connect to the SIII, already redid the ssn but no conncety?

good thing I am gettin old or I would have already been pizzed off.

can you by chance update straight from the computer via usb connect??

well so much for the rechargeables , already dead.

Make sure when you format your SD card that you use "Fat 32" for the firmware update. I used the newer format first and it did what you are explaining. Then I tried fat32 and it loaded fine.

not sure how to check that one on this machine, where do I find what format my file is?

Right click on the drive click properties it will tell you there under file system.