Guys here is a short video I took last night with mine and a t20 Illuminator I got off of ebay. The tree line at the last part was 186 yards...light was on medium setting and focus on the IR was wide. I am happy with this so far. Version of firmware is .228. I had some cheap Meijer bulk brand batteries in it during the 10 minutes I was out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFv8vteA_ew&list=UUZT86VrxF4v_yiqInU5cehQ

Hi Ken, yeah I was speaking to Scott country on Friday at the show, maybe he got mixed up with dates, 20th a friday, 22nd a Sunday... Let's see if it's then or a week later...... Etc etc...

I wonder if the US firmware release date will be the same? No US distributor that I know of has taken any role in helping x-sight buyers and getting info from ATN very difficult.

Been lurking since the beginning of this thread and hoping ATN would get these things working as advertised and sold.

Signed up for a 3x12 a year ago March, was switched to the 5x18 in Dec when all the 3-12's were recalled for focus issues.

I zeroed mine at our hunting camp that 1st weekend. Did not make a note of where the zoom was at. Learned about the zero movement issue, checked mine and at 3X, I was off paper at 100 yards. Re-zeroed at 1X, then zoomed to 3X and checked again, moved 6-7"s.

Sight is almost useless in bright sunlight unless the sun is directly overhead or behind you.

Real world battery duration running 3 hours max (Energizer Ultimate Lithium)

I found the included IR "lacking" and bought a UNV 20 IR. Much better.

Bottom line for me is I will wait till the next update from ATN. If they can fix the basic problem of zero shift and reticle shift along with the dimming issue, I will hold on to mine, if not then back it goes.

For a company the size of ATN to release a product like this is unjustifiable. Any company with basic quality control would have caught these issues and put a hold on shipments, IMHO.
Since they are still shipping these products one has to wonder if they have a cash flow problem. I can't think of anything else other than out right false advertising / fraud.

"Early Adopter"

the super tac may be a little different than the tac lights, last night mine worked like a champ and I can see easily out to 350 yds or more if eyes are reflecting, can see well enough at 100yds + to make a shot if needed. not sure about the focusing though, mine the head screws out and in like a mag light but I could not tell any difference in the lighting. as for too much reflection, I videoed a coon at 30 yds and it was not too bright at all, x sight set on 3 brightness/1x and even the huge feeder did not reflect on glare on me. so far so good as far as I am concerned.

my first attempt at video, focusing is not a strong point yet.

Can you post a picture of what the X-searcher looks like aand what was the cost?

Thanks

I read your post. I mentioned my use of factory-recommended batteries because (in case you hadn't guessed) they are factory-recommended for a reason: lithium batteries tend to have a higher output, flatter discharge across their lifespan. When they die, they are suddenly dead. It is not likely that reduced output is causing my flickering...which I already told you. Did you read my post?

We all want the product to work, but there is no defending the launch of the X-SiGHT (that is how it is printed in ghost black lettering on the side of my 3X). NONE. Let me give a quick example:

I purchased my 3X just this past December 30. Two days later, I had secured an RMA to exchange it for a "manual focus retrofit." Two weeks later, they shipped me a new, manual-focus 3X, all indications being that I was the first to take delivery of the upgraded 3X.

Are you following so far? In 2-3 weeks, I went from initial order to a new manual-focus 3X unit in hand: no 10-month preorder required for me. Fair? No. Just another example of a string of failures that have collapsed most people's confidence in anything stamped ATN.

For a minute, lets assume you are somehow correct about my depleted Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries, which would typically mean a day or two from now (more than likely a day), the scope should not power on. We'll see, I guess...but I suspect it will.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

This is the X-Searcher. Effectively a Nightmaster 800 with larger head on it. I also have the 'turbo tube' attached which is just an extension to hold 2x18650 batteries rather than one. It gives slightly more power and longer battery life. Without the tube, the lamp would extend about 1.5cm beyond where it's mounted.

The mount is the Nightmaster quick release mount which works with the x-sight very well. It's adjustable for windage and elevation by turning the small screws by hand.

Price-wise they are £189.95 in the UK, They start from around $140 in the US I believe. I imagine the IR version would be around $180 as we seem to get a 1:1 exchange rate over here!

Wow, that is a ridiculously large light by today's standards, about the size of a Maglight of 20 years ago and over 1 lb. WITHOUT batteries.

Very large and heavy indeed....

I'll say it again. Owning about 30 illuminators at this point...with the X-Sight firmware properly addressed, the T20 style light will fit most folks needs. I have not had time to move my firmware back to .200 yet, but the .228 simply doesn't work well at all in my scope. It seems like some do, some don't...but I am positive it is not an illuminator issue.

When I first updated the firmware to .228, I noticed right off that it was dim. I sat a Photon XT right next to the X-Sight and tried various illuminators. When I used the bigger 67's and such, it made no difference with the X-Sight, still dim. But, I had to turn them down with the XT. I know the X-Sight has it in it because I have seen it....just not right now.

Another issue. I had been hunting mostly thermal for a while and got back into playing with the digital. A couple of weeks ago on different nights I encountered a yote and pig. Each saw and reacted to the sight of the illuminator. The yote was at about 115 yards and turned to scamper away. I hit him at 128 yards. The pig was very wary of the light. I had to go real easy. Suspect he had been around for a previous hunt. He would move back into the woods each time he saw it. Wait a while, then ease out, keeping cover between us. Very wary. After a long cat and mouse game of hide the illuminator, I finally caught him. Animals absolutely do see/sense them in whatever manner that is. I say all this because I have sat up various illuminators and looked at them from down range. No doubt that the larger ones are much more detectable at a much further distance. 940 nm is only slightly less visible, but also comes with the loss of distance. I'm pretty set on 850 nm. Just something to think about.

I have wondered if the hogs can see the UNV20ir. I have not gone downrange of my own rifle to see, but if green light does not bother them, while IR does, it kind of defeats the purpose of my having switched to night vision with ir. Bummer.

the IR produces a dim red glow its hardly noticeable I have the T20

Thanks Cyber. But now I am curious, and will have to see how the provided illuminator, and UNV20ir, "look" from downrange.

Just to put things into perspective. This is the Nightmaster800 on my Photon. Believe me I have the T38 which supersedes the T20, the 800 is much better! Haven't tried it on my X-Sight only the Photon. Its not a mag light lol

Thanks, Ken! Any word from Scott Country if ATN has solved the flickering in the 2.0 firmware?

Can you do a side by side of a T20 and the NM800 with an X-sight beyond 300 yards~!~

Please and THANKS

By the way this forum (THF ---> Optics) is being looked at and regarded as a legitimate source of information = want proof look at all the new users from near (US) and far (UK and elsewhere).

It is good to be a part of sharing on this level - keep it up folks

I joined this site because of a link on AR15.com. Came here read a lot of good information in the .200 thread and now this one. After reading a lot of bad reviews on the X-Sight, reading the information here I felt that things weren't as bad as the reviews said and that there was a lot of potential in the device.

Same here...

I'd agree its massive. Its designed to throw a beam up to 1000m, but I have got it at its biggest configuration. It'll trim down to half that length by removing a battery, and changing the head back to the original nightmaster will put it back to Ken's configuration.
Size-wise, the lamp head on the X-searcher is near enough the same diameter as the objective end of the X-sight.

HuntTXhogs. Sorry not able to assist! I just shoot small vermin out to about 100Yds. No quite in your league! I don't want to do too much with the X-sight I bought on Saturday because I am waiting for the new firmware! Returned my first one after a couple of weeks back in early January. Must have fired a couple of hundred rounds trying to get it zeroed lol We all know better now thanks to this and other forums. The flashing light wasn't mentioned by Scott Country

No problem Ken , hopefully someone else has the gear on hand for an A/B comparison at distance.

Here is the t-67 that I mentioned earlier. Yes its massive, yes it works great, yes it has three modes of brightness and yes it is focusable.
Went a my farmer next door and used his property for a better range test. At 500yds you can id with the t67, at 800 yds you can make out movement but personally I wouldnt shoot at 900 cows eyeballs were tiny specks.
The above was done on a cloud covered night with the 200 firmware installed. With the 228 firmware I was lucky to be able to id at anything over 100yds.
Bipods come in real handy with this setup to keep the weight evened out.