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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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Wonder if the guy that shot it gets the reward if he turns himself in?
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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Please excuse my ignorance but why would you even shoot a crane down there? Do sandhill's migrate to the coast? Yes they do. The Hoopers I seen over the weekend were by about a dozen of Sandhill Cranes. About a foot taller it seemed. Those Whooping Guys are Tall.
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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27,500.00 for a bird! It is bad one got shot but that is ridiculous. The county judge of Aransas County has testified under oath that the Whooping Cranes and refuge generate millions a year in tax revenue to Aransas County and the refuge is critical to the health of the bay and economy dependent on it which is worth tens of millions a year and hundreds of millions in property value. So, no it is not a ridiculous amount in comparison. If the Whooping Cranes were not there, the refuge would not be there. It would be just another stretch of coast with chemical plants, shopping strips, and some weekend homes and a bay comparable in recreation, hunting, fishing and seafood quality to Lavaca or Nueces Bay. Given that the "hunter" is hiding, expect to see a vigorous prosecution if he is caught rather than him stepping up and owning what probably was an honest mistake. With the money coming to the table, will be interesting to see if one of his friends turns him out or he cracks from worrying about whether his friends will turn him in. While it's sad and a bad deal that someone found the need to kill an endangered bird... The whooping crane has no bearing on the Aransas Wildlife refuge by itself. The refuge was created by Roosevelt in 1937 as wintering grounds for ALL types of Migratory waterfowl. The whooping crane wasn't put on the endangered list until 1968. If the whoopers where gone tomorrow it would be sad and bad deal but the refuge would live on. That's like saying the refuge was created for alligators and it should be closed now since gators where removed from the list in 1987. a private group actually tried to sue state of TX over the death of 23 birds in 2008-2009 for issuing river water permits that they claimed caused the starvation of those birds. It's a tricky situation when you start putting birds before humans. Aransas county isn't support by the Whooping cranes. It's supported by humans that hunt and fish there and those that pay propertery taxes there. That would include me on all three accounts. Sad and bad deal that one of our own may have killed an endangered bird. I hope they fess up, and take thier punishment
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
[Re: glens]
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02/04/15 03:53 PM
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Please excuse my ignorance but why would you even shoot a crane down there? Do sandhill's migrate to the coast? Yes they do. The Hoopers I seen over the weekend were by about a dozen of Sandhill Cranes. About a foot taller it seemed. Those Whooping Guys are Tall. Very tall and there is no open season for Sandhills down there so there is no error. It's a bad deal and gives us all a black eye.
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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Please excuse my ignorance but why would you even shoot a crane down there? Do sandhill's migrate to the coast? Yes they do. The Hoopers I seen over the weekend were by about a dozen of Sandhill Cranes. About a foot taller it seemed. Those Whooping Guys are Tall. Very tall and there is no open season for Sandhills down there so there is no error. It's a bad deal and gives us all a black eye. I agree, it will not end well for the actor for sure...I bet that is one expensive mistake
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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27,500.00 for a bird! It is bad one got shot but that is ridiculous. The county judge of Aransas County has testified under oath that the Whooping Cranes and refuge generate millions a year in tax revenue to Aransas County and the refuge is critical to the health of the bay and economy dependent on it which is worth tens of millions a year and hundreds of millions in property value. So, no it is not a ridiculous amount in comparison. If the Whooping Cranes were not there, the refuge would not be there. It would be just another stretch of coast with chemical plants, shopping strips, and some weekend homes and a bay comparable in recreation, hunting, fishing and seafood quality to Lavaca or Nueces Bay. Given that the "hunter" is hiding, expect to see a vigorous prosecution if he is caught rather than him stepping up and owning what probably was an honest mistake. With the money coming to the table, will be interesting to see if one of his friends turns him out or he cracks from worrying about whether his friends will turn him in. While it's sad and a bad deal that someone found the need to kill an endangered bird... The whooping crane has no bearing on the Aransas Wildlife refuge by itself. The refuge was created by Roosevelt in 1937 as wintering grounds for ALL types of Migratory waterfowl. The whooping crane wasn't put on the endangered list until 1968. If the whoopers where gone tomorrow it would be sad and bad deal but the refuge would live on. That's like saying the refuge was created for alligators and it should be closed now since gators where removed from the list in 1987. a private group actually tried to sue state of TX over the death of 23 birds in 2008-2009 for issuing river water permits that they claimed caused the starvation of those birds. It's a tricky situation when you start putting birds before humans. Aransas county isn't support by the Whooping cranes. It's supported by humans that hunt and fish there and those that pay propertery taxes there. That would include me on all three accounts. Sad and bad deal that one of our own may have killed an endangered bird. I hope they fess up, and take thier punishment
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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I would turn myself in and use the reward for my lawyers
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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If it was an honest mistake I'm sure he will keep mum about it and hope not to do it again
So shooting a bird that is 5 feet tall falls under the category of an honest mistake how? WTF could you possibly mistake a man size bird for? Exactly. No way he didn't know what it was. Stunts like that will getting hunting banned from the area. While it's sad a whooper died. Their existence has nothing to do with get hunting banned down there. a hunter shot a whooping crane by accident many years ago....they didn't close the refuge. if 20 some-odd birds died in 2009 its not like one killing is going to doom the species. not saying poaching should be tolerated, but its one bird.
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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27,500.00 for a bird! It is bad one got shot but that is ridiculous. The county judge of Aransas County has testified under oath that the Whooping Cranes and refuge generate millions a year in tax revenue to Aransas County and the refuge is critical to the health of the bay and economy dependent on it which is worth tens of millions a year and hundreds of millions in property value. So, no it is not a ridiculous amount in comparison. If the Whooping Cranes were not there, the refuge would not be there. It would be just another stretch of coast with chemical plants, shopping strips, and some weekend homes and a bay comparable in recreation, hunting, fishing and seafood quality to Lavaca or Nueces Bay. Given that the "hunter" is hiding, expect to see a vigorous prosecution if he is caught rather than him stepping up and owning what probably was an honest mistake. With the money coming to the table, will be interesting to see if one of his friends turns him out or he cracks from worrying about whether his friends will turn him in. While it's sad and a bad deal that someone found the need to kill an endangered bird... The whooping crane has no bearing on the Aransas Wildlife refuge by itself. The refuge was created by Roosevelt in 1937 as wintering grounds for ALL types of Migratory waterfowl. The whooping crane wasn't put on the endangered list until 1968. If the whoopers where gone tomorrow it would be sad and bad deal but the refuge would live on. That's like saying the refuge was created for alligators and it should be closed now since gators where removed from the list in 1987. a private group actually tried to sue state of TX over the death of 23 birds in 2008-2009 for issuing river water permits that they claimed caused the starvation of those birds. It's a tricky situation when you start putting birds before humans. Aransas county isn't support by the Whooping cranes. It's supported by humans that hunt and fish there and those that pay propertery taxes there. That would include me on all three accounts. Sad and bad deal that one of our own may have killed an endangered bird. I hope they fess up, and take thier punishment Bobo, Respectfully, there are some significant errors in that post. I'll leave it at saying my knowledge of the subject matter of your post is substantial, and I have the luxury of not guessing or speculating. The "bird" in my handle comes from my involvement in bird conservation including substantial involvement in some aspects of the subject matter. First, the Endangered Species Act did not exist in the 1930's. At that time and still today, Whooping Cranes fell within the scope of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, through an agreement in 1916 known as a "convention" and adopted into law in 1918 in the US. The MBTA was, (and still is) an international treaty ratified between the United States, Mexico, and at that time Great Britain as the governing body for Canada. The MBTA still provides obligations of the three countries to protect birds that migrate between the countries and it is the basis for the hunting seasons and bag limits for migratory birds such as ducks, geese, and Sandhill Cranes. This act is still in effect today and prohibits the hunting, killing, injuring, or "take" of all migratory birds including Whooping Cranes, except those specifically authorized for hunting as game birds. This is why shooting small migratory birds such as warblers, orioles, and others is a federal offense in addition to a state offense, as it violates the international agreement between the governments of Canada, the US, and Mexico. Even if the ESA was repealed, Whooping Cranes are still protected by the MBTA and shooting one still would be a federal criminal offense. The ESA came into existence in its first form in October 1966, known as the Endangered Species Preservation Act. The first list of protected species known as the "Class of '67" included the Whooping Crane. The new act carried forward the same framework, definitions, and regulatory framework of the MBTA, but extended it to other species. As a note of history, the creation and funding of Aransas NWR were done through executive orders of President Franklin Roosevelt, who visited the area in 1937 for vacation and fishing. When I was young in the '60's and '70's, there was a tarpon scale on the wall of the Tarpon Inn in Port Aransas from a fish he caught. The MBTA included the regulation of migratory game birds such as ducks, geese, coots, and gallinules - and also Cranes, both Sandhill and Whooping Cranes, which were legally hunted before then. In 1937 the year of President Roosevelt's visit for vacation, the MBTA closed hunting of Whooping Cranes under the international treaty. In 1938, the Aransas Refuge was purchased with funds allocated to protection of the migratory species covered by the act. The Aransas Refuge was specifically created and managed for the benefit of the Cranes. The other migratory birds, not just waterfowl, were and are incidental beneficiaries, but the Whooping Cranes were the driving force for the creation of the refuge. Ever since, the Aransas NWR has been managed for Whooping Cranes as its priority, everything else is secondary on management goals. With respect to the case, over 300 different individuals, groups, businesses, and governmental entities were plaintiffs bringing the suit. Among the group were Aransas County, the Aransas County Navigation District, the City of Rockport, the City of Fulton, the Republican Party of Aransas County, the Democratic Party of Aransas County, fishing guides, hotel/motel owners, commercial seafood producers, and businesses dependent on tourism related to the Cranes and the health of the bay. The reason they cared was because the Whooping Cranes were dying because the bay ecosystem was collapsing, and they depend on it for their own economic survival. Your impression of "putting birds before people" is actually more of putting people and some large industrial users upriver over the interests of the people who depend on the health of the bay for their livelihoods. The County Judge of Aransas County testified on behalf of Aransas County that the Cranes and protection of the habitat upon which they depend are the underpinning of the economy of Aransas County. He testified that the threats posed by choking off of the water supply to feed the habitat upon which the Cranes depended posed an "existential threat" to the viability of the economy of the county. The ecosystem which the Cranes rely upon is the same one which provides fish for recreation as well as for the commercial seafood industry. Commercial fishing guides were among the most ardent supporters of the case because they recognize that what is good for the Cranes is good for their business. If the Cranes die because the bay ecosystem dies upon which they rely, then all activities which rely on the same ecosystem will perish as well. The challenges facing the Whooping Cranes here in Texas are a warning like the canary in the coal mine. Whether any politician has the fortitude to stand up and say it publicly, we are at the limits of the carrying capacity of the land/water in this state right now. Every single drop of water in every single lake and river is committed to someone, somehow. Many rivers now are primarily filled with treated waste water. The Trinity River downriver from Dallas is essentially 100% treated wastewater, which is used, treated again, and passed on down river again. All of our bay systems are under extreme stress. There are huge economic interests dependent on these bay systems for all manner of business, tourism, recreation, seafood production, and businesses that support those. Not that it matters one whit, but to me, conservation should be non-partisan. Presidents Teddy Roosevelt and Richard Nixon did more to protect wildlife and the ecosystems upon which they exist than most other presidents added together. For those of a religious mind, if God created this, should we not respect and honor his creation?
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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very informative post....thanks
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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Probably a kid or teenager. When I was young, I shot all kinds of things without knowing what they were or having a hunting license, and out-of-season, etc.
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
[Re: jeffbird]
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Yup you can say that again postoak. Sometimes I wonder where the guys grew up that said they had to eat everything they killed... because I didn't know a single one like em when I was growing up.
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
[Re: jeffbird]
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02/04/15 09:49 PM
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27,500.00 for a bird! It is bad one got shot but that is ridiculous. The county judge of Aransas County has testified under oath that the Whooping Cranes and refuge generate millions a year in tax revenue to Aransas County and the refuge is critical to the health of the bay and economy dependent on it which is worth tens of millions a year and hundreds of millions in property value. So, no it is not a ridiculous amount in comparison. If the Whooping Cranes were not there, the refuge would not be there. It would be just another stretch of coast with chemical plants, shopping strips, and some weekend homes and a bay comparable in recreation, hunting, fishing and seafood quality to Lavaca or Nueces Bay. Given that the "hunter" is hiding, expect to see a vigorous prosecution if he is caught rather than him stepping up and owning what probably was an honest mistake. With the money coming to the table, will be interesting to see if one of his friends turns him out or he cracks from worrying about whether his friends will turn him in. While it's sad and a bad deal that someone found the need to kill an endangered bird... The whooping crane has no bearing on the Aransas Wildlife refuge by itself. The refuge was created by Roosevelt in 1937 as wintering grounds for ALL types of Migratory waterfowl. The whooping crane wasn't put on the endangered list until 1968. If the whoopers where gone tomorrow it would be sad and bad deal but the refuge would live on. That's like saying the refuge was created for alligators and it should be closed now since gators where removed from the list in 1987. a private group actually tried to sue state of TX over the death of 23 birds in 2008-2009 for issuing river water permits that they claimed caused the starvation of those birds. It's a tricky situation when you start putting birds before humans. Aransas county isn't support by the Whooping cranes. It's supported by humans that hunt and fish there and those that pay propertery taxes there. That would include me on all three accounts. Sad and bad deal that one of our own may have killed an endangered bird. I hope they fess up, and take thier punishment Bobo, Respectfully, there are some significant errors in that post. I'll leave it at saying my knowledge of the subject matter of your post is substantial, and I have the luxury of not guessing or speculating. The "bird" in my handle comes from my involvement in bird conservation including substantial involvement in some aspects of the subject matter. First, the Endangered Species Act did not exist in the 1930's. At that time and still today, Whooping Cranes fell within the scope of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, through an agreement in 1916 known as a "convention" and adopted into law in 1918 in the US. The MBTA was, (and still is) an international treaty ratified between the United States, Mexico, and at that time Great Britain as the governing body for Canada. The MBTA still provides obligations of the three countries to protect birds that migrate between the countries and it is the basis for the hunting seasons and bag limits for migratory birds such as ducks, geese, and Sandhill Cranes. This act is still in effect today and prohibits the hunting, killing, injuring, or "take" of all migratory birds including Whooping Cranes, except those specifically authorized for hunting as game birds. This is why shooting small migratory birds such as warblers, orioles, and others is a federal offense in addition to a state offense, as it violates the international agreement between the governments of Canada, the US, and Mexico. Even if the ESA was repealed, Whooping Cranes are still protected by the MBTA and shooting one still would be a federal criminal offense. The ESA came into existence in its first form in October 1966, known as the Endangered Species Preservation Act. The first list of protected species known as the "Class of '67" included the Whooping Crane. The new act carried forward the same framework, definitions, and regulatory framework of the MBTA, but extended it to other species. As a note of history, the creation and funding of Aransas NWR were done through executive orders of President Franklin Roosevelt, who visited the area in 1937 for vacation and fishing. When I was young in the '60's and '70's, there was a tarpon scale on the wall of the Tarpon Inn in Port Aransas from a fish he caught. The MBTA included the regulation of migratory game birds such as ducks, geese, coots, and gallinules - and also Cranes, both Sandhill and Whooping Cranes, which were legally hunted before then. In 1937 the year of President Roosevelt's visit for vacation, the MBTA closed hunting of Whooping Cranes under the international treaty. In 1938, the Aransas Refuge was purchased with funds allocated to protection of the migratory species covered by the act. The Aransas Refuge was specifically created and managed for the benefit of the Cranes. The other migratory birds, not just waterfowl, were and are incidental beneficiaries, but the Whooping Cranes were the driving force for the creation of the refuge. Ever since, the Aransas NWR has been managed for Whooping Cranes as its priority, everything else is secondary on management goals. With respect to the case, over 300 different individuals, groups, businesses, and governmental entities were plaintiffs bringing the suit. Among the group were Aransas County, the Aransas County Navigation District, the City of Rockport, the City of Fulton, the Republican Party of Aransas County, the Democratic Party of Aransas County, fishing guides, hotel/motel owners, commercial seafood producers, and businesses dependent on tourism related to the Cranes and the health of the bay. The reason they cared was because the Whooping Cranes were dying because the bay ecosystem was collapsing, and they depend on it for their own economic survival. Your impression of "putting birds before people" is actually more of putting people and some large industrial users upriver over the interests of the people who depend on the health of the bay for their livelihoods. The County Judge of Aransas County testified on behalf of Aransas County that the Cranes and protection of the habitat upon which they depend are the underpinning of the economy of Aransas County. He testified that the threats posed by choking off of the water supply to feed the habitat upon which the Cranes depended posed an "existential threat" to the viability of the economy of the county. The ecosystem which the Cranes rely upon is the same one which provides fish for recreation as well as for the commercial seafood industry. Commercial fishing guides were among the most ardent supporters of the case because they recognize that what is good for the Cranes is good for their business. If the Cranes die because the bay ecosystem dies upon which they rely, then all activities which rely on the same ecosystem will perish as well. The challenges facing the Whooping Cranes here in Texas are a warning like the canary in the coal mine. Whether any politician has the fortitude to stand up and say it publicly, we are at the limits of the carrying capacity of the land/water in this state right now. Every single drop of water in every single lake and river is committed to someone, somehow. Many rivers now are primarily filled with treated waste water. The Trinity River downriver from Dallas is essentially 100% treated wastewater, which is used, treated again, and passed on down river again. All of our bay systems are under extreme stress. There are huge economic interests dependent on these bay systems for all manner of business, tourism, recreation, seafood production, and businesses that support those. Not that it matters one whit, but to me, conservation should be non-partisan. Presidents Teddy Roosevelt and Richard Nixon did more to protect wildlife and the ecosystems upon which they exist than most other presidents added together. For those of a religious mind, if God created this, should we not respect and honor his creation? Outstanding post and well written. I'm very aware of the suit, I donated to it ironically( other reasons outside of the whooping crane, like you stated I did it for the bay and other projects I'm not found of, it's basically only way to sting TCEQ ). I still stand by Rockport/Fulton and Aransas Wildlike refuge survive with out the WC. Doesn't mean I want them gone, just means the area isn't based or supported via the WC. No one wants the rivers free flowing as badly as I but that's not going to happen. I also realize there has to be compermise on humans and animals. One has to come before the other. Not happy about the Five trout rule in Baffin either now
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
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Thank you Bobo. Maybe we can have a beer together some day. Here is a bird i.d. guide to similar appearing birds. ALL birds on this image are protected and may not be killed except for the Snow Goose and Sandhill Crane. And as a general fyi - some of the Cranes have left the area of the refuge looking for food. They likely will be found in wet areas along lakes, ponds, and wetlands, and also ag fields particularly those with corn. They have been known to go to deer feeders to find food. So, if you see a big huge white bird, please don't shoot it. The sub-adult birds can be somewhat similar to a Sandhill. The sub-adults have rust colored streaking but still over white feathers. They fly very slowly, so there is no way to confuse their flight with a goose.
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Great posts from Jeff and Bobo; learned a lot. I suspect the shooter is going to be identified and it will be better if done sooner then later.
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I agree, very well written piece Jeffbird. I also agree that yes the cranes were definitely a main driver to establishing the refuge back then, but if they were to ever become extinct the refuge isn't going anywhere, now. I can tell you first hand that right now the biggest threat to the Whoopers on the refuge are the pigs.
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Thank you Bobo. Maybe we can have a beer together some day. Here is a bird i.d. guide to similar appearing birds. ALL birds on this image are protected and may not be killed except for the Snow Goose and Sandhill Crane. And as a general fyi - some of the Cranes have left the area of the refuge looking for food. They likely will be found in wet areas along lakes, ponds, and wetlands, and also ag fields particularly those with corn. They have been known to go to deer feeders to find food. So, if you see a big huge white bird, please don't shoot it. The sub-adult birds can be somewhat similar to a Sandhill. The sub-adults have rust colored streaking but still over white feathers. They fly very slowly, so there is no way to confuse their flight with a goose. Absolutely!!! I have the upmost respect for what you do. I'm buying though
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Thank you Bobo. Maybe we can have a beer together some day. Here is a bird i.d. guide to similar appearing birds. ALL birds on this image are protected and may not be killed except for the Snow Goose and Sandhill Crane. And as a general fyi - some of the Cranes have left the area of the refuge looking for food. They likely will be found in wet areas along lakes, ponds, and wetlands, and also ag fields particularly those with corn. They have been known to go to deer feeders to find food. So, if you see a big huge white bird, please don't shoot it. The sub-adult birds can be somewhat similar to a Sandhill. The sub-adults have rust colored streaking but still over white feathers. They fly very slowly, so there is no way to confuse their flight with a goose. Absolutely!!! I have the upmost respect for what you do. I'm buying though I've almost got a grand slam !!!!
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If the bird were truly a viable species why are the numbers increasing so slowly?
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Great posts in here. I actually learned some things.
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
[Re: passthru]
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02/06/15 03:21 AM
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jeffbird
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If the bird were truly a viable species why are the numbers increasing so slowly? pt, Actually, the numbers show a strong trend of recovery which has been slightly accelerating overall in recent years. There has been an addition of 17,000+ acres protected around Powderhorn Lake in 2014, which will protect habitat for the new family units as they continue to establish their own family territories. The protection of Powderhorn Lake from development also has the benefit of protecting that estuary for the benefit of shrimp, fish, and crabs, which helps recreational users as well as seafood production. Here are a couple of graphs. Here is a graph for the Eastern Flock which is being established in case there is a catastrophic event with the Aransas/Western Flock, such as disease outbreak or a chemical spill in the Intracoastal Canal. The number is now actually up to 100 birds in the Eastern Flock. This graph includes birds being added to the flock. http://www.bringbackthecranes.org/technicaldatabase/projectupdates/2015/01JanTo31Jan2015.html Z and others, glad you are finding the discussion interesting and informative.
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
[Re: jeffbird]
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02/06/15 03:17 PM
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passthru
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It is interesting. I wonder how long it will take to get the numbers to a sustainable population. How long do you commit such funding to keep them going until you determine it's a money pit?
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Re: Whooping Crane Shot - Reward
[Re: passthru]
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02/06/15 04:05 PM
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Nogalus Prairie
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It is interesting. I wonder how long it will take to get the numbers to a sustainable population. How long do you commit such funding to keep them going until you determine it's a money pit? It's a money pit to many. To others, it's a statement of our priorities and attitude towards our environment. Conserving and protecting habitat is a laudable goal to many. The Whoopers are both a beneficiary and a symbol of conservation in general.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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