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Re: Shot a button buck...got treated like I farted in church [Re: Fork-LegendV21] #4745617 11/13/13 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Fork-Legend211
I would ban my own kids and father for shooting such a young deer!! stir


Wouldn't surprise me.

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Good grief called a troll just because i havent responded. At work guys, cant just jump on the forum and go to town. Its now my lunch so I thought I would chime in. I can honestly say I do regret upsetting the camp. I am not the kind to do something intentionally to piss off my camp mates. I do however feel the need to answer to a few remarks on here not that I am trying to defend myself or anything as I think we can all agree this is a place for discussion but to clarify a couple things. Where we hunt the lease is huge sprawling paper co land. Anything we see out there is typically young. The deer I shot was considered by the rule book to be a nubbin buck. I would typically call it a spike. The rule states that anything under 2 inches is a nubbin or button buck. He was not a fawn as he was too large to be a baby but by no means was he a mature buck. My thought was here is a decent size deer with poor antler genetics and a chance for me to harvest meat. I didn't shoot the 6 points I saw because they were like a small dog with a basket 6 rack on their head. Maybe I'll see them again but probably not. Its a huge lease with a ton of hunting pressure. Aside from all that there are no lease regs on what to shoot vs not. The lease manager stated several times if its legal kill it because you wont get another shot and you want to eat deer meat. The same guys that acted all standoffish about my spike/nub buck shot a damn fawn doe two weeks ago that had spots very faintly on her back. Not sure why what I did was worse but I also am not needing there approval. I posted this for the discussion and maybe I could open my ears and hear the opinions of others. I do appreciate everyones input.

What you killed was a 1.5 yr old spike. He would be a spike if he was 1.5 yrs old with spikes that just broke the skin or they were 12" long. Nubbin bucks are .5 yrs old with velvet nubs and maybe cartlage showing late in the season. The way I view it is that is was a mouth off the range. If you have to many deer then it was a good thing no matter how old it was.


I agree it was a spike by all definitions except the one that matters which is the arkansas fish and game definition. They say under 2 inches is a nub buck. So I called it what it was according to them that make the rules.

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Re: Shot a button buck...got treated like I farted in church [Re: dogcatcher] #4745622 11/13/13 07:06 PM
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For the bunch that promotes "trophy" type leases, remember that the deer size is also usually related to the lease price. Over the years you have caused the increase of the prices of leases, even caused the price of good deer habitat land to increase.

If it is a deer and legal, there is a damn good chance it is going in my freezer. up


It's a two edged sword. That won't stop the whiners from whining, though.

Re: Shot a button buck...got treated like I farted in church [Re: Sneaky] #4745624 11/13/13 07:07 PM
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I think priorities are messed up when folks get into such heated debates over a dadgum "game" animal.

GAME ANIMAL: a wild mammal or bird hunted for sport or food.
•the flesh of mammals or birds, used as food.



Yep. I'll say it again...What happened to just hunting?


Guess it is the difference between just hunting or just shooting.

It is still a sport for 99.9% of the hunters. Some prefer to hunt for mature deer, some have the opportunity to pick and choose from many deer, some may only see one deer a year...just as there is nothing wrong with meat hunting, there is nothing wrong with trying to kill a specific buck, only mature deer, or trying to improve the condition of the overall herd.


There's nothing wrong with any of it. What's wrong is expecting others to hunt the way you do.

These holier than thou's that cry about shooting fawns would get smacked around up north if they mentioned how they hunt down here. I don't have a problem with any of it. It's the undue criticism that is the problem here.

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Inbred deer...likely a 5yo.

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Inbred deer...likely a 5yo.
Curly gets his deer imported from Arkansas. confused2

Re: Shot a button buck...got treated like I farted in church [Re: Sneaky] #4745713 11/13/13 07:39 PM
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I would ban my own kids and father for shooting such a young deer!! stir


Wouldn't surprise me.


I know... I have already banned my dad from our place!!


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Legal is legal. Too many people think that there aay of hunting is the right way. The op may end up losing his lease over it, depends on the lease manager, but guys that shot a doe with faint spots sticking there nose in the air over this? Come on, that's crap. Hunt the way you want and leave anyand all other hunters who kill legally alone.

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It's true, hunters in most other places are disgusted by what many Texans consider to be "Deer Management" but then again, I'm disgusted by most people so whatcha gonna do.

Deer meat tastes good, we all know that, especially the young tender ones.

That's why I am thankful my grandad has always had a place I can hunt however i want. Tried the lease thing years ago and was great until they tried to tell us how to hunt. TPWD does enough of that.

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Originally Posted By: RoadBlock
Legal is legal. Too many people think that there aay of hunting is the right way. The op may end up losing his lease over it, depends on the lease manager, but guys that shot a doe with faint spots sticking there nose in the air over this? Come on, that's crap. Hunt the way you want and leave anyand all other hunters who kill legally alone.


Thats funny... I have never heard of anyone getting kicked off the lease for shooting a mature deer! stir


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Originally Posted By: Fork-Legend211
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Legal is legal. Too many people think that there aay of hunting is the right way. The op may end up losing his lease over it, depends on the lease manager, but guys that shot a doe with faint spots sticking there nose in the air over this? Come on, that's crap. Hunt the way you want and leave anyand all other hunters who kill legally alone.


Thats funny... I have never heard of anyone getting kicked off the lease for shooting a mature deer! stir
I don't know about that. It seems as though everyone has a different opinion on maturity. The best I can figure it is somewhere between 6months and 12 years.

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Hopefully, after reading all of these posts, side bars & tangents, the OP has an answer to his initial question. There is nothing legally wrong with shooting a button buck. The issue lies with everyone's perceptions...particularly, the perceptions of the fellow hunters on your lease, which in this case, are the ONLY one's that matter. Many hunters don't agree with taking fawns of any sex. If such an action can cost you a lease, the meat may not be worth it. As an aside....there's nothing illegal about farting in church either....just don't be surprised when those around you react adversely.

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A cow elk and a booner whitetail walk out. Which one gets killed by the meat hunter?

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I golfed with a guy that always said "I paid my money, I'll score it anyway I want to". good advise.


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A cow elk and a booner whitetail walk out. Which one gets killed by the meat hunter?


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A cow elk and a booner whitetail walk out. Which one gets killed by the meat hunter?


I would kill both. up


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Meat hunters, do you process your own game? If not, do you take it to a processor skinned and quartered or just field dressed? I see lease costs getting cited all the time, but hear very little of hunting public lands/national forests (though most in the eastern portion of the state). The economics of "meat hunting" don't come out in ones favor if paying for feed through the hunting season, time and gas spent traveling to and from your hunting area, lease costs, license costs, paying someone else to process your deer, among the countless other costs associated with hunting.

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Meat hunters, do you process your own game? If not, do you take it to a processor skinned and quartered or just field dressed?
I do my own.

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I have read this entire post but was the Spike HF or LF?

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Meat hunters, do you process your own game? If not, do you take it to a processor skinned and quartered or just field dressed?
I do my own.


Same here.


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nothing wrong with that, enjoy the meat even if it runs out quickly; at least you put some in the freezer.

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Originally Posted By: JMalin
Meat hunters, do you process your own game? If not, do you take it to a processor skinned and quartered or just field dressed? I see lease costs getting cited all the time, but hear very little of hunting public lands/national forests (though most in the eastern portion of the state). The economics of "meat hunting" don't come out in ones favor if paying for feed through the hunting season, time and gas spent traveling to and from your hunting area, lease costs, license costs, paying someone else to process your deer, among the countless other costs associated with hunting.


Not all meat hunters do so for the cost savings.

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I'm getting the urge to shoot me a fawn. I've got two in the freezer already that I can't wait to eat. I didn't shoot them, but I just might have to get me one, now.

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I have read this entire post but was the Spike HF or LF?

clap

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Why do people aways say there near hunters? As much money as it cost to go hunting, you can just go buy the meat a heck if a lot cheaper.

People that hunt usually are not hunting because they don't have dinner and need meat on the table or they will starve. Some people just shoot to feel as if the got there money's worth.

All said and done, if you are on a lease any every shoots anything walking fine do it. But if your on a lease and your trying to manage the herd then still to the plan.

If all the other hunters were not to happy about it, it's problby cause they are trying to manage the herd. Who knows. Also if it was a fawn, there really isn't that much meat on them. Why not wait for another deer.


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