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Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: passthru] #293534 01/11/08 02:18 AM
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It has nothing to do with sour grapes.

I just ain't into white tails for their horns.

If I was then yes, I would probably want to kill the best bucks I could, but I would prefer them to be free range, Naturally Produced than some pen raised freak.

For the $$$ that would cost, I could go shoot a bunch of caribou/moose/mule deer/pronghorn, all of which I find much more impressive than ANY white tail regardless of size.


Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: HWY_MAN] #293535 01/11/08 02:32 AM
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i just think that if i had 1 million to spend on hunting, it would not be for a single whitetail.






I suspect anybody paying a million for that buck has no intentions of shooting him.




You are correct, they plan on selling thousands of little viles of his semen. Might not get 1 mill for him, but I bet they get close, + they can have an entire herd his offspring.

My father-in-law does this type of thing.

The Deer to buy 2 years ago was Cowboy, went for the record $400K.



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Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: Rwuensch] #293536 01/11/08 02:54 AM
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The deer in this thread is on a breeders webpage. I posted the link last year. I believe they owned it at one time.


Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: CTK3] #293537 01/11/08 11:41 AM
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Does everyone not see the tag in his ear ? He's pen raised, force fed protien........Been there, seen that. He's like a steer......bred till he's of age and then turned out to pasture on a high fence ranch for some high dollar sucker to shoot 2 weeks later and think he's really done something.
I know the operation........


Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: Crazyhorse] #293538 01/11/08 01:07 PM
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I just really don't see anything impressive about artificially grown sets of antlers.




I, on the other hand, am still impressed with antlers like this. So what if they had special care, special feed, and maybe some genetic engineering? It's kind of like a woman's bossoms. You can say all day long you prefer natural over implants but when the hit the light of day and you compare a 40D to a 40Long, the 40D is the clear winner.



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Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: PrimitiveHunter] #293539 01/13/08 06:43 PM
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u know whats funny, this is funny , a guy here in the area i live in was buying some impressive bucks and putting them on about a 15 acrea high fenced area located all the way around it was plowed feild... i dont think that would even feel like hunting at all, but the funny part was he already had sold a pretty impressive buck to a customer that paid some where around 5 grand to shoot this thing... about a week before the hunter came down the fellow who owned the buck was sitting on his back porch drinking coffee and saw that this buck had got his antlers caught up in the goosenect tonge of his trailer.... will watching this deer and trying to figue out what he was going to do one of the less domenate bucks on the place charged at that buck while it was had its antlers hung up and when the younger one or less domenet one hit it , well the bigger deer broke his neck... right in front of the owner... thats funny there... i dont know what they did with it but i thought it was a little justice for the owner for selling deer to be shot on a 15 acre highfenced lease.......


Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: PrimitiveHunter] #293540 01/13/08 06:51 PM
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It's kind of like a woman's bossoms. You can say all day long you prefer natural over implants but when the hit the light of day and you compare a 40D to a 40Long, the 40D is the clear winner.




Not for me, never has been never will be.

Fake is fake, tits or horn.


Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: texasd] #293541 01/14/08 12:59 PM
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Anyone who shoots a deer out of a 15 acre pen should be shot himself. Anyone who sells a deer to be killed in a 15 acre pen just needs a good old fashioned arse whoopin!

There is absolutely no sport in doing crap like that and it will only fuel the fire for antis! I know that it is a hard line to draw but somehow the State of Texas has to come up with a law that prohibits hunting out of pens! Where to draw the line is the question that will be more then a little hard to come up with!



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Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS] #293542 01/14/08 05:02 PM
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i know exactly what u mean...... i dont like that crap either thats why im glad it happen to him.....one reason i like hunting low fence areas is cause u never know what might come out...


Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS] #293543 01/14/08 06:46 PM
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Anyone who shoots a deer out of a 15 acre pen should be shot himself. Anyone who sells a deer to be killed in a 15 acre pen just needs a good old fashioned arse whoopin!





When were deer put up on that golden pedestal that made them more worthy than a domestic cow or hog? Who determined their saintly status that they should be afforded any more or less than any of God's other creatures? They are an animal. Just like any other except that they haven't been domesticated to the same degree. Who's to say that a coon or a possum or a skunk doesn't deserve the same rabid devotion of a select portion of the population?

I'm assuming you're talking tougue-in-cheek when you talk about killing or beating people because they don't subscribe to your partidular point of view. That sounds an awful lot like the extremeists that we're fighting in the Middle East. Places where it's legal to kill your teenage daughters because they date outside of your religion.

I don't want to hunt a deer in a small, high-fenced enclosure but that doesn't mean that NOBODY should be able to do so if it's legal and that's what they want to do. I don't like to shoot turkeys. So...nobody should be able to shoot a turkey? And if they do, they deserve to be beat or killed?

Again, I don't for a moment think you would advocate killing someone for shooting a deer like this but if you want to talk about fuel for the antis, they could change very few words (and we KNOW they wouldn't do that) and use your words to support their argument.



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Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: PrimitiveHunter] #293544 01/14/08 08:18 PM
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it still takes proper management to grow massive deer. The deer was more than likely seen while riding around the ranch, then later captured and placed in a DMP pen.

To dummy it down a little, just b/c he has a tag in his ear does NOT make him a pen raised deer.

The deer was likely born on the ranch, and has a hall pass to maturity thanks to knowledgeable land-owners.

Anybody seen the latest TSJ Mag with that 270" bruiser through the years? Whoulda thought that a 3 yr old basket rack 10 could turn out to be such a stud?



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Sounds like a Dairy Queen Buck to me!



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What if the man was handicapped who was buying the hunt? Had all kinds of trouble and been looking to hunt somewhere? What type of cover was there in that pen? If there's moderate cover the hunt could take several days to get the perfect shot on the deer. It's not fair to judge...


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if your talking about the 15 acres well it has a 3 acrea pond on it and about 5 acreas or wesach and the rest its pretty open... i mean i could see the deer by the fence driving down the highway... then again i see deer by lots fences driving..........


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I get turned off looking through a Texas Trophy Hunters magazine, because of all the adds about deer breeders and breeding ranches.

It's also gotten common with some of the stories of hunts, and you see the guy posing with the buck lying on the ground ungutted by the way, next to, or with the high fence, and tall fence posts, plainly visible in the backround.

What's next, posing with the dead deer with an ear tag visible?




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Re: PROOF THAT HE IS REAL! [Re: PrimitiveHunter] #293549 01/15/08 11:48 AM
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Anyone who shoots a deer out of a 15 acre pen should be shot himself. Anyone who sells a deer to be killed in a 15 acre pen just needs a good old fashioned arse whoopin!





When were deer put up on that golden pedestal that made them more worthy than a domestic cow or hog? Who determined their saintly status that they should be afforded any more or less than any of God's other creatures? They are an animal. Just like any other except that they haven't been domesticated to the same degree. Who's to say that a coon or a possum or a skunk doesn't deserve the same rabid devotion of a select portion of the population?

I'm assuming you're talking tougue-in-cheek when you talk about killing or beating people because they don't subscribe to your partidular point of view. That sounds an awful lot like the extremeists that we're fighting in the Middle East. Places where it's legal to kill your teenage daughters because they date outside of your religion.

I don't want to hunt a deer in a small, high-fenced enclosure but that doesn't mean that NOBODY should be able to do so if it's legal and that's what they want to do. I don't like to shoot turkeys. So...nobody should be able to shoot a turkey? And if they do, they deserve to be beat or killed?

Again, I don't for a moment think you would advocate killing someone for shooting a deer like this but if you want to talk about fuel for the antis, they could change very few words (and we KNOW they wouldn't do that) and use your words to support their argument.




Primitivehunter, if you took my words literally, then my apologies. But, I believe you know what I meant. Anybody that would shoot a deer in a 15 acre pen does not care one little bit about the great sport we all enjoy, PERIOD.....

All a person like that cares about is bragging to his buddies about the big old buck that's on his living room wall and to me that is flat out wrong. Is it legal, hell yes, but is it hunting, hell no! It's paying and shooting and nothing more.



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What if the man was handicapped who was buying the hunt? Had all kinds of trouble and been looking to hunt somewhere? What type of cover was there in that pen? If there's moderate cover the hunt could take several days to get the perfect shot on the deer. It's not fair to judge...




I believe that a person that is handicapped could also purchase a hunt on a 10,000 acre ranch and still have the opportunity to take a great buck. Maybe not the guaranteed opportunity at a monster in a pen, but still the chance at a deer.

As far as cover goes in a 15 acre pen, hog wash! 15 acres is 15 acres and I'd bet given a day or two any buck could be found on that size track no matter the cover available! Now 150 acres would be a different story.



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if you took my words literally, then my apologies




No apologies necessary. I knew that you didn't mean it literally. My only reason for posting a reply is that I know I'm not always right and even when I am, I may not be right for everybody (if that makes any sense).

As I've gotten older, I've found myself believing that we need less government, less regulations, less judgements. Of course there are some areas that are grey but for the most part, if it's legal, I'm not going to bash anybody for doing it. I fully agree with you about the 15 acre deal. We're on the same team with that respect. But, I only have that opinion for myself; if that's how you wanted to hunt, I wouldn't think any less of you as a person. Maybe as a hunter but not as a person.

We all have our own experiences; our own morals but if you look at past threads, you see stuff like "Well, I shoot a 243 for deer so anybody that shoots a 375 is a macho idiot trying to compensate for some other shortcoming". People just can't seem to say "Hey, I shoot a 243 but if you want to shoot a 375, that's perfectly fine for you".

I'm not saying that any of us should not voice our opinion. That's one of the rare things that no one can take away from you. I was just trying to say (and probably not too well) that often we try to voice our opinion and our wording turns it into a judgement.

My personal opinion is that we can have any opinion we want on any subject we want. I try to reserve judgement for matters that fall under the legal/illegal arena.

Maybe I've been to too many sensitivity trainings. If nothing else, I learned that my way is not always the best way and is NEVER the only way.



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No apologies necessary. I knew that you didn't mean it literally. My only reason for posting a reply is that I know I'm not always right and even when I am, I may not be right for everybody (if that makes any sense).

As I've gotten older, I've found myself believing that we need less government, less regulations, less judgements. Of course there are some areas that are grey but for the most part, if it's legal, I'm not going to bash anybody for doing it. I fully agree with you about the 15 acre deal. We're on the same team with that respect. But, I only have that opinion for myself; if that's how you wanted to hunt, I wouldn't think any less of you as a person. Maybe as a hunter but not as a person.

We all have our own experiences; our own morals but if you look at past threads, you see stuff like "Well, I shoot a 243 for deer so anybody that shoots a 375 is a macho idiot trying to compensate for some other shortcoming". People just can't seem to say "Hey, I shoot a 243 but if you want to shoot a 375, that's perfectly fine for you".

I'm not saying that any of us should not voice our opinion. That's one of the rare things that no one can take away from you. I was just trying to say (and probably not too well) that often we try to voice our opinion and our wording turns it into a judgement.

My personal opinion is that we can have any opinion we want on any subject we want. I try to reserve judgement for matters that fall under the legal/illegal arena.

Maybe I've been to too many sensitivity trainings. If nothing else, I learned that my way is not always the best way and is NEVER the only way.












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Man, I would love to get him in a 1 acre high fence




LMFAO!!!!

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