Yep that buck would not be safe also if he was in the bottom of his age class. I have lots of patience for the genetic traits I like. The ones I do not like are 2.5 or older bucks with less than 8 points, short G2 10 points, short brow tines and short/crabclawed G3's on 8 points if they are fall into the bottom of each age class their days are number if they do not meet that criteria when ratios are in good shape. For me I would never target that injured buck if he has one good side and/or I knew what he was like last yr if he fell into the upper end of his age class. If the injury is not genetic it will not effect his breeding genetics just his looks. This buck post above does not have much mass, does not have long beams and short G1s so that is 3 strikes right there. He has spread and this is air space and he has tine length but is short on the rest of the realestate.

Think you and I are on the same page on the lop sided but... Reason being he is he is at the higher end on age class...if he was 3.5 he would continue to walk until 6.5

If she did she is now googling proper castration techniques.

You ain't kidding lol, but she knows how I am...

But on your ranch I would take the no brows this year...but its a completely different herd.

2 bricks in the middle of the night and

It has finally come to this

what no brow deer?

I would take out a no browtine buck at that age everytime. My understanding is that browtines are the most inheritable trait they pass on to their offspring.

This is a newbie question. If the buck is only half the genetics and the does he breeds are the other half, couldn't the off spring have brows?

I've only seen one buck with no brows on our place and I've let that one breed longer than most mgmt minded folks.

The buck has the half of the genetics you can see. The offspring could have good browtines, the same small browtines or no browtines. Just depends on the genetics in the doe. But his offspring will always have the genetics to have smaller browtines from his half of the genetics. The offspring will continue to carry it and pass it on. If his genetics for short/no browtines has high heritability then it will show the short/no browtines more often.

Not trying to start an argument but it bothers me when people on this forum suggest that there is something wrong with asking for advice. I think if you are a hunter and you have a legitimate question or concern its great to have a forum to ask experienced hunters their opinion. I think thats the beauty of this forum.

New member to the club? Enjoy the syrup

gotcha. Thanks for the reply.

I'm no scientist but I know that genes don't just get thrown in a blender and whatever comes out comes out. There are certain traits that are passed on from the father and certain traits that are passed on from the mother. I don't know if the tines or lack of them are from male or female.

Could be from great great great great great great grandpappy/grandmommy in the form of recessive traits that show up from matching up with a doe carrying them as dominant (or a statistical miracle)

On our place he would be shot as a cull.

That really makes my head hurt.. ....note to self buy another case of .270 shells for this season.

Lol, but it's true... Have gun, have spotting scope, will travel, be selective, handy at loading/unloading/with a knife, and jawbone/tooth removal

nice deer. I wouldn't want to hurt.

Nope but he ate them yesterday day on an Oklahoma buck score

He is only saying he will not feed bottom of the age class more or less..
Which on his ranch I can agree he can only support so many deer, and has the resources to take all those deer.

In the HC your dealing with an up hill battle try to get to and maintain CC. You can only take so many does. Sooner or latter you have to open bucks to a criteria other then mature...

Do I agree I do, but its not bc of trying to control genetics. If you at cc there comes a point where you have to take something other then your top age class, due to only being able to feed so many deer. Stx management is effiency. He would love a herd of 180+ bc deer that weights where under 130lbs. Feed cost would be half and cc probably 30% higher. There probably only one buck out of those pics he would leave the lop sided buck..it has best rack out of all of them just based off his good side.

Now the question is how much harm or good would it be to leave the no brow time buck on a LF another year.. again we are assuming a lot of things that have already happened. It comes down to a personal choice do you like his frame or not ...enough to let him continue eating or not.

Ok. So if leaving this deer or taking this deer will have no real effect on the herd, what is the point in leaving a mature main frame 12 pointer? If you cannot control genetics, the buck is only half the equation, there would be no reason not to shoot your big mature deer with good frames. Why let them breed...you can't control the genetics and by your statement above, how much harm or good can one deer have on a herd?

Seems to me that if you take out the top of each age class, you are going to weaken the overall antlers of the herd...but if you take out the bottom of each age class, you won't make a difference

Gone

If you take out a 170in 12 pt at 6.5 Plus how have you eliminated a genetic?

The only reason I suggested the loopy buck only due to his age.


When you shoot a young buck you haven't stopped a genetic or trait... It's still there and will continue to pop its head up...only thing you have done is keep it off your game cam for next few years and eliminated its mouth.