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Re: Got millet?
[Re: GravyWheels]
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08/24/11 02:54 AM
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Guy
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You boys are in the worng on this one... Straight from TPWD ...
Baiting A hunter may hunt any migratory game bird:
•over standing crops, standing flooded crops and flooded harvested crops; •at any time over natural vegetation that has been manipulated. Natural vegetation does not include planted millet. However, planted millet that grows on its own in subsequent years after the planting is considered natural vegetation You are reading it wrong bro. The second bullet is only talking about "natural" vegetation. Natural vegetation anytime, not natural you cannot manipulate, unless you are following normal farming practice per Cooperative Extension Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture..
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Re: Millet Planters....
[Re: GravyWheels]
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08/24/11 02:56 AM
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You are not making sense. It clearly states the manipulation regaurding natural vegatation is perfectly legal. Manipulation of planted vegatation is when you break the law.
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Re: Millet Planters....
[Re: duckiller]
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08/24/11 03:02 AM
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QuackerJacks
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I have no stock in this discussion but if its ok to manipulate natural vegetation and ok to hunt over natural millet, but not to hunt over planted millet <1 year old, and its not ok to hunt over manipulated millet, what other kind of millet is there?
Sounds like a lot of rationalization..better start deleting old posts and photos boys!
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Re: Millet Planters....
[Re: QuackerJacks]
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08/24/11 03:06 AM
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STXHO
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It is not Illegal...... Just like hunting teal over a rice field. That rice is planted, as long as you do not "rail" or manipulate it you are perfectly legal.
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Re: Millet Planters....
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08/24/11 03:06 AM
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muddyz
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If you plant millet this year then see line 1. If you planted it last season then it is now natural vegetation and therefore see line 2. Not that hard.
Baiting A hunter may hunt any migratory game bird:
•over standing crops, standing flooded crops and flooded harvested crops; •at any time over natural vegetation that has been manipulated. Natural vegetation does not include planted millet. However, planted millet that grows on its own in subsequent years after the planting is considered natural vegetation;
Last edited by muddyz; 08/24/11 03:07 AM.
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Re: Millet Planters....
[Re: GravyWheels]
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08/24/11 03:08 AM
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Guy
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The "manipulation" only pretains to natural vegetation. As it states, millet is not considered natural vegetation and therefore, see paragraph two...
Dave You have to use some common sense here: 1) Who is going to plant millet give up a full year of not hunting it, just so the next year maybe 5% comes back as "natural", so I can mow it down and hunt it? No body does that. 2) As posted above, ODWC plants it by the ton on public land, the same law applies to them.
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Re: Millet Planters....
[Re: Tvilbig]
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08/24/11 03:12 AM
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Guy
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Does anyone have a legal definition for what they consider "Manipulation"? You have to use common sense here as well, there is not a clear definition. Mow and shred, trample (a stretch).
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Re: Millet Planters....
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08/24/11 03:35 AM
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Description of Fish and Wildlife Management Practices: Approximately 4,000 acres of wheat, milo, soybeans, and corn are planted annually through an agricultural lease program. Twenty four hundred acres of Japanese millet are planted annually on mud flats scheduled to be inundated as the millet matures. The intent of this practice is to increase waterfowl habitat. http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/facts_maps/wma/kaw.htm
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Re: Got millet?
[Re: Guy]
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08/24/11 03:41 AM
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STXHO
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Too bad we don't have a GW on the forum.
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Re: Millet Planters....
[Re: GravyWheels]
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08/24/11 03:44 AM
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Every Year. New Guys. Same stuff. You Boys stay off my planted Millet. Im hunting all by myself.
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Re: Millet Planters....
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08/24/11 04:00 AM
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If ya wanna bust some people on the internet, start asking who hunts ag feedlots...
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Re: Got millet?
[Re: STXHO]
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08/24/11 04:04 AM
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All those plots look good, and should help this year. Too bad we don't have a GW on the forum. I see tons of IGWs on here all the time
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Re: Millet Planters....
[Re: Rob Robertson]
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08/24/11 04:14 AM
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Guy
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Nice limits.
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Re: Got millet?
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08/24/11 04:35 AM
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Re: Millet Planters....
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08/24/11 05:34 AM
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If ya wanna bust some people on the internet, start asking who hunts ag feedlots... When I was a kid my father and I had a lease that backed up to the MG feed mill.. You want to talk about killing some doves and pigeons! lol
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Re: Millet Planters....
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08/24/11 12:51 PM
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Gravy Wheels is now wishing he would've planted some millet... and passed reading comprehension.
Yeah, don't listen to me. I'm just an idiot.
Lol. Duckbill that was funny! The dude up top has already taken lots of bone before this deer, both mule and whitetail.
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Re: Got millet?
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08/24/11 01:33 PM
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All those plots look good, and should help this year. Too bad we don't have a GW on the forum. I see tons of IGWs on here all the time LOL, ain't that the truf!
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Re: Got millet?
[Re: thomas_z71]
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08/24/11 01:56 PM
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Guy
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We got real GWs on here as well, but I have never seen them post to interpret game laws. JMO, baiting is loosely written for a reason, because no matter what kind of rules you lay, there is always going to be someone trying to “beat the system”, add more rules will not help, it will just make it more complicated and will end up looking like our tax code, and folks will still find a way around the words. Like manipulation, I’m guessing the sprit of that rule is simply mowing and shredding, and then someone trying to beat the system says “well what if I drive over it with my 4wheeler??”, again, you got to use some common sense and understand the spirit of the rule, JMO!!
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Re: Got millet?
[Re: Reid D]
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08/24/11 03:10 PM
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QuackerJacks
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Spoke to anonymous GW and he stated that by his interpretation if you flood it it is ok to hunt it. If you do not flood it and you planted this year you cannot hunt it. However he states that in order to really tell if it was planted this year they would have to send off to biologist and get it analyzed which is a huge hassle. Keep in mind he stated its vague so it is up to each GW's interpretation.
My take is its perfectly fine but if they really have a problem with you they can split hairs and make an issue of anything thats in that book.
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Re: Got millet?
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08/24/11 03:26 PM
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Rob Robertson
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Spoke to anonymous GW and he stated that by his interpretation if you flood it it is ok to hunt it. If you do not flood it and you planted this year you cannot hunt it. However he states that in order to really tell if it was planted this year they would have to send off to biologist and get it analyzed which is a huge hassle. Keep in mind he stated its vague so it is up to each GW's interpretation.
My take is its perfectly fine but if they really have a problem with you they can split hairs and make an issue of anything thats in that book. Your GW is wrong Baiting A hunter may hunt any migratory game bird: •over standing crops, standing flooded crops and flooded harvested crops;
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Re: Got millet?
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08/24/11 04:51 PM
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GravyWheels
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Big thing here guys is if it was planted this year or has come back of it's own accord in subsequent years. If you planted it this year, you can not hunt it. From a GW i personally know. Again, enforecement is hard to do without a lab testing it.
Dave
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Re: Got millet?
[Re: GravyWheels]
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08/24/11 04:52 PM
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And, I'm not concerned about what other state regs are for plantings, I'm talking Texas....
Dave
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Re: Got millet?
[Re: GravyWheels]
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08/24/11 04:59 PM
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Big thing here guys is if it was planted this year or has come back of it's own accord in subsequent years. If you planted it this year, you can not hunt it. From a GW i personally know. Again, enforecement is hard to do without a lab testing it.
Dave Your GW is Wrong.
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