I guess it would be all right to sell low fence canned hunts, since the fence is the issue. I could just tie the animal to a stake with no fence and it would be legal. Problem solved.

Stake hunting, the new controversy. When it is outlawed I have another plan in the works.

if you payed 55k a mile you got taken.

$15k/mile is about average.....but still expensive.


but texas still isn't gonna tear them down.

not only is my ranch high fenced, but every ranch that touches mine, and every ranch that touches theirs is high fenced. 14 miles of highway and only two ranches that arn't comepletely high fenced, are only low fence on the highway, and even then across the highway are game fenced, so its a moot point.

High fencess aren't going anywhere

I have a way of doing that. As for the Feds have you ever heard the term unfunded mandate? You're smart enough to get the picture.
Again, there's no need for hostility towards me. This thing is out there and it's pretty much the same way the assault weapon ban started.
I'm going to look at the program tomorrow as well. ( You can thank me for telling you about this ) Some of it will center around Texas so you know how they are going to make us look. The Animal Planet is owned by Discovery Communications which is a holding company for similiar shows some which are controversial like the "Lost Tapes" series which were totally bogus. What's worrisome is the present and past management of Discovery Com. Judith McHale is a dyed in the wool bleeding heart liberal who is now Undersecretary of State reporting to none other than Hillary Clinton who happens to be a good friend. The present CEO and President is David Zaslov another liberal with a known anti-gun and anti-hunting agenda. I hope they didn't film BOBO or God help us let him speak.

They wouldn't film or interview me... I'm not very good press material

We know BOBO, we know.

Lol..well I don't fit the demographics they are usually looking for, so don't worry we are safe from my demise

Wow - what a thread - Quartierleblanc you are pretty bold - appreciate the info you have shared though. Are you new to Texas? Most of this state is private property (read a little history about our great state and why this is)and property rights in Texas are defended vigorously. There is also such a thing as states rights - again research the US constitution. And no my head is not in the sand - you want to stir up a debate - forget about a renewable resource - let's talk about water rights - do you think the feds will put a meter on your deep water well at your ranch? Hmmmm - food for thought.

In New Mexico, people buy and sell water rights, but that is New Mexico.

Not me man, I can't afford that! But I have a buddy that paid that on a ranch in Junction, it was everything from the dozer clearing to the final finishes. But I priced low fence and they want about $5.00 a foot which would still be $26K and change per mile. So $10 bucks a foot is probalby right for high fence. Metals have gone through the roof when oil went up. You must have had your fence built a while ago or had some no hablo english workers . Of course we are in rock while I suppose your place is mostly sand. That alone would make a big difference without having to hammer drill every hole.

Yes they do - with the water crisis there are states and possibly the federal government looking at charging a consumption fee for water under your land.

This thread made me laugh a few times. They will never ban high fenced hunting in Texas period. Impossible. And I don't think a high fenced ranch of several thousand acres can really be considered a captive hunt anyways. The state even has WMA areas that are high fenced and used for public hunting. Chaparal is HF and I am sure there are others.

Back on topic....

First off, the "illegal-lack of spread(AR)" buck shot behind the high fence has the same punishment as the one shot outside the fence. Unless the ranch is on MLD, which is also available to low fenced ranches.

As far as "Joe Hunter" not being able to shoot the deer within the HF'ed neighboring place...that is true. Just like the people that own the HF ranch can't hunt the deer outside of the fence that "Joe Hunter" is hunting.(unless the ranch did like we did and didn't put the fence right on the property line. Best of both worlds

Never say never and never say always. They're banning it in the RSA and it's been banned or heavily regulated in the majority of states. The Feds can and will regulate it through the interstate commerce clause as well as through the USDA and its Wildlife division which it appears that they want to do. They don't have to necessarily mandate the removal of the fence, but they sure can make it so that you'll want it down. They intend to go after the smaller properties of less than a thousand acres in which they have a reasonable chance of success and they probably have the political support to do so if this gets out of committee and to a general vote. Like somebody wrote on the HR thread "I find it funny that someone who high fenced to keep the little guy out expects the little guy to support their God given right to keep the little guy out." Don't expect Joe 6 pack to support the landowners in any way. While the public supports hunters in general it doesn't support trophy hunting and it's not going to support high fence. Less than three years ago no one thought that the POTUS would by executive order change the laws regarding bond trading but he did. I'd ignore this at your peril.

I get the feeling you just like to stir crap up. You probably own high fence property.

I like to get people to think. FACT: if you look at the numbers for hunters it's not good and the people engaged in getting older and fewer with each year.

And this is because of high fences?

I agree that the numbers of hunters are declining. But its because of lazy parents that aren't getting involved with their children in outdoor related activities. The public,in general, is becoming lazy while letting video games entertain their children.

And don't tell me that HF's have increased the cost of the sport either. I sell hunts on my place that would be cheaper or the same cost as having a lease.

we did it this past year.....but your right in the hill country it would be higher, as well as extras (extensive dozer work, galvanized pipe, etc) would bump the cost up.

See what you started Curly by not stirring up things.

tye says
And this is because of high fences?

I agree that the numbers of hunters are declining. But its because of lazy parents that aren't getting involved with their children in outdoor related activities. The public,in general, is becoming lazy while letting video games entertain their children.

And don't tell me that HF's have increased the cost of the sport either. I sell hunts on my place that would be cheaper or the same cost as having a lease.


Doesn't matter what the cause is Tye but lazy parents are a pipe dream and the end result is the same. You must taking lessons from the Democrats about how to assign blame.

Property rights - by law - HF or LF - understand the arguement but this is Texas. If I want to fence in my ranch then I will. There is a huge debate right now as well about barbed wire cattle fences (3.5-4 foot fences) and how they impede the natural range of pronghorn in the grasslands. What is the difference????

99% certain sabrinavonbouk has returned

help me on that one???

From your view, what is causing hunter number decline since you brought it up? just curious?

No problem. It's been analyzed. Expense is one. Competition for other entertainment venues is another. Hunting is also a generational thing. If families don't do it together the next generation never learns. There is an increased urbanization of the US where the cultural experience of hunting is lost. It's going to be a multifactorial issue. Hunting revenues peaked around 2005 and has dropped fairly significantly since that time. The gun companies have noticed. Remington for the first time in over a hundred years is now in the handgun business as well as the AR business. Winchester as we knew it is gone. Technically you have half the hunters you had 50 years ago with a population that is 40% larger. Those same hunters have been paying more and more and now the revenues are starting to drop. That system economically is not sustainable. Hunting is also about disposable income. Price point comes into play and it essentially means at what point do you start looking for an acceptable alternative. The current economy especially with fuel costs means less disposable income. If you want to hunt and you're willing to pay then international travel makes even more sense. RSA and Namibian package hunts are competitive with the higher end hunting in Texas. The same for birds. Go to Argentina, Paraguay or Uraguay for waterfowl, doves or the equivalent upland birds then you wonder what you were even doing here. Is there always going to be hunting in Texas along with a unique Texas culture? Sure there is, but it's going to be a lot different in the near future. There is still a chance to have input into that future but if the opportunity is not taken the terms will be dictated to us.