which do you think will happen first, hell freezing over or us getting rain?

Hell...for sure

It appears simple and will be two fold. First there will be no hunting in high fenced areas as the legislation appears currently. For sure places that offer hunts in high fence like the YO will be out of business. The second part will be regulation of what goes in within the high fence and that includes what sort of commercial value that raising the animals will have. Everything changes during committee. For sure the Texas legislation will try to kill or curtail the bill in some form or fashion. The problem is the amount of support the bill will get within some of the major hunting organizations. It will interesting what stance the NRA will take. If you look at the Amimal Planet program coming out on Monday along with the HR bill introduced last week, you can tell it was well planned. It does appear to be getting some press. We will see. I haven't seen the complete bill but it will be interesting to see exactly what's in it. The House Member who had co-sponsored the bill is a very interesting fellow and very smart. He didn't think this up himself.

You really need to go back to government class.

Tough call bud! Record heat & record drought

Try saying something reasonably smart BOBO. The legislation is out there. Anything else is your fantasy.

Well don't believe everything you hear & read. The Texas parks & wildlife would go out of business if what you are proposing would happen, they are not going to let it happen.

How?

ok... let's try this....show me where the federal government can regulate hunting any non endangered or migratory bird animal or fish in a state.

better yet tell me how it would be with in their jurisdiction to do so via the bases for all laws in the US, and how they can enforce it.

Call the congressman and ask him. He introduced the legislation not me. Since they seem to do a good job doing pretty much anything they want tell me how they can't.

Look, it's a bad bill, and we need to oppose it. But we don't need to put a spin on it that makes it sound worse than it is. You lose all credibility.

Here are quotes from you on this thread which are either misleading or categorically incorrect:

Fact: A bill has been introduced into the US HR to ban high fence hunting on a NATIONAL LEVEL.

It's already passed in some form in 26 states.

That law has changed in at least half the states

At least half the states have banned high fence already

Look right above you in the open hunting forum regarding HR rep seeks the ban hunting

It's already passed in some form in 26 states.

It does stop hunting on high fenced properties.

Which one don't you understand?

I fully understand them all, and they are all misleading or wrong.

He could introduce a law for all men to have to grow beards...even if they voted it in...its will not stand due to the US Constitution.....

On top of that what recourse does the Federal government have even if they passed it and TX told them to stick it?????.all they can due is stop federal money coming back into the State.

Not really, I seeded a number of articles about the process and said the new law intended to restrict or outright ban canned hunting which is high fence hunting. There is a disturbing trend in this forum to attack people who put out something that some people don't like. Here are the facts. The US H of R has a bill that seeks to regulate and ban high fence hunting. It is supported by a number of powerful pro-hunting groups. It was just introduced last week and the bill's introduction is going to followed by a so called expose on high fence hunting by Animal Planet. I would take this as a potentially serious threat especially if I were a land owner.

Not that funny BMD. I put this out there so people could contact their congressmen early on and then there are attempts at slamming me. I don't know what some of you people are thinking. It was the same way with the 1994 assault weapon bill. The ultimate law was a lot worse then the original and people said the same thing, " It will never happen." It did. What they didn't know was the S&W was trying to make a deal to become the exclusive provider of LEO weapons with high capacity magazines. Also Bill Ruger was seeking to become the sole provider of assault weapons by getting the Mini14 exempt and he was a very secretive force behind the 10 round magazine rule. The time to nip this is now. If it gets traction it will be an issue and could get a lot worse.

-> This thread!


But Happy Fathers day fellas!

And again a "canned hunt" is when a person (breeder, owner,etc.) knowingly takes a animal from a pen, puts them in a small enclosure and a person comes out to shoot it. High fence and canned hunts are different things. And how would TPWD go out of business, thats fairly easy. Have you ever been to South Texas? 90%, hell maybe 95% of those ranches are high fenced. There are thousands and thousands of acres of land in West Texas too. I don't go to North Texas but I'm sure there plentiful up there as well as in East Texas. No need for game wardens, biologist, mld permits, hunting liscenses, landowner permits,etc. So what you are saying is a landowner would have to spend thousand to tens of thousands taking down their fences to have hunting? Not gonna happen in Texas, ever!

I wouldn't be so glib. The smuggness might get slapped down your throat by the Feds.The Bill was only introduced on Thursday so we don't have a number on it yet. Newswire has a bit more information on it, which BTW lists 26 states with an outright ban or significant restrictions. The guys who wrote this, Rep Cohen and Sherman both Democrats and NRA rated C and F repectively are smart lawyers, very good at legalese.
This is what is known. The legislation seeks to stop hunting in high fence of less than 1000 acres. It also seeks to regulate all existing ranches through the Interstate Commerce Clause which they have every right to do. That means restrictions in sales and transfers across state lines. In addition it intends to use the USDA and its Wildlife Division to further regulate what goes on inside high fence. It is what it is. If the bill is not too ambitious by attempting to outright ban all high fence hunting it probably has a good chance of passing. The Feds will let the regulation do the rests. Nevertheless the Bill has been submitted and we will not only see what's in it very shortly but we'll see the final form if it gets through committee which it very well may.
Not to blow a hole in your TP&W missive but if all the fences came down today there would be hunting in Texas tomorrow.

Last time I'm posting on this because it's a waste of time. The fences will never come down. You know how much money people spend on high fences? It's around $55k a mile if you pay someone for the labor & good materials, they aren't going to just lay it down. Even if some form of this passed as you think it will don't you think there are some pretty smart lawyers in Texas that would get it repealled. Not going to happen in Texas, other states maybe, but almost every other state is against high fences anyways. Have a good one and the sky is not falling.


For the record I have no dog in this fight, I don't have much high fence on my property. Just enough to keep my idiot neighbor from shooting every deer that hopped the fence.

That's where you don't get it. They don't have to take it down, but depending on the regulation it may not be able to be hunted. In addition sales could be severely restricted or even banned outright. The Feds could care less what it costs you. We'll see if the legislation goes forward. I'm not your enemy here and I really don't understand the hostility.

See now your going to make me post again ! No hostility towards you but theres too much big money on the line for it to ever happen. I know the feds don't care but the people do and again there is a difference between a canned hunt & high fences. I already have the dvr set to record the show on monday, just to see what the one sided story is.

Hint......Why is there a federal reg for a season on redsnapper, and two fish limit, yet tx has a no closed season and 4 fish limit.......Hummmmm