With only 19 states that ban the opening of new high fence operations he might as well have written his bill on toilet paper.

I don't think Curly is suggesting that high fencers don't have to comply with AR regulations in the counties where they apply. He seems to be referring to the fact that a high fencer can prevent those outside the fence from having access to the fenced-in deer without making any sort of payment for the "taking" of a public resource.

But it's written on US House paper. Famous last words on your part dogcatcher. It's not too smart if you can't see the trend.

I love high fences. It's let me take animals I otherwise couldn't have. I don't think that bill will ever pass.

It's already passed in some form in 26 states.

26 states? Source?

If you go to the representative's website and read it, the bill seeks to ban "canned hunting". It speaks of exotic "tame" captive animals. It doesn't say anthing about banning hunting or banning high fences.

Moreover, the article states that: "More than 20 states have already passed a full or partial ban on captive hunts". So we are talking 20 states, not "more than half" and we are talking some sort of restriction on "captive hunts". So your statement that more than half the states have banned high fences is very misleading.

I would oppose the bill, but I think you are overstating it considerably.

Not really. It's a start. It does stop hunting on high fenced properties. The anti-hunting and anti-gun crowd believes in incrementalism and now they have hunting groups supporting it. It doesn't stop keeping and breeding animals there, it just stops the hunting. Tell me where I'm overstating it. Hunting is under attack, pure and simple.

Are you daft? Read the article I posted. BTW Animal Planet is going to do a segment on canned hunts. Get real.

Well you overstated:

1) the number of states (u said "over half" and u said "26". Actual # was 20.
2) you said it "banned hunting". It only bans "canned hunting, not all hunting.
3) u said it bans high fences, which it does not. It would only ban some hunting operations which happen to use high fences.

Read the article again. I said banned high fence hunting which means the same thing as canned hunting. If you read carefully with comprehension I didn't say it banned high fence. What is fact is that there is a bill in the US HR that wants to essentially ban high fence hunting and regulate the game that resides therin. What gets me is the way that some of you want to shoot the messenger and stick your heads in the sand at the same time. This is a national bill and the people who write these things aren't going away. BTW I'm not overstating about the Animal Planet segment coming out soon. I'm also not overstating that a number of pro-hunting groups are supporting it. And some of you might even take some time to wonder why the numbers of hunters are plummeting.

Back to Curly"s OP. Joe public hunter can't access private property, LF, HF or no fence without landowner consent. Unless private property is under MLD, AR's in the counties that have them are still in effect. Maybe that's what Curly is missing?

How are they going to regulate a non migratory animal....they can't they have no power too..

Hey BOBO ever hear of the Federal Government? The Kenyan by executive order changed the laws regulating bond trading including that of secured insured bonds so GM and other companies stayed in business. Do you think that hunting regulations even remotely bother them? They can take pictures of you through Xray machines and keep you from flying if they feel like it. If I was a landowner I'd start trying to figure it out right now. If the Kenyan is reelected you'd better be worried. I keep up with the anti-gun crowd who just happen to be the anti-hunting crowd. What's going on now is not working especially since hunter numbers continue to decrease.

A canned hunt is a small tract of land. I didn't read your article because I don't care to be honest, because it doesn't matter they will never do what you are saying in Texas. Most states hate high fences and those same states also have lots of public land for their citizens to hunt. Pick up any magazine and it's quite obvious the dislike for Texas hunting, all of it, feeders, high fences, private lands (majority). Our state isn't like the rest of the country, thankfully.

'Captive Hunting' Animal Planet special likely to rile up viewers
By John Crook, Zap2It | June 15, 2011
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Animal Planet routinely attracts a broad audience of diverse viewers with one obvious trait in common: They love animals.

Make that two traits: They're probably all going to be spitting mad after viewing "Animal Planet Investigates: Captive Hunting Exposed," premiering Monday, June 20.

The special takes viewers inside facilities in New York and Texas where well-heeled clients go to hunt and kill exotic and sometimes even endangered species. Zebras, wildebeests, even kangaroos -- all are fair game and confined to a limited area where they are easy pickings for the trophy-hungry hunter.

Although many Americans don't even know such facilities exist, more than 1,000 of these "canned hunt" ranches thrive in the United States, chiefly in Texas, where this covert industry brings in $1 billion a year. Only 11 states completely prohibit the practice. Fifteen others have partial prohibitions, and the remainder have no ban at all.

The Animal Planet expose features investigators from the Humane Society of the United States using hidden cameras and assumed identities to infiltrate these ranches to raise public awareness of this shady business and the people who patronize it.

"I think these are people who don't want to spend a lot of time to bag a trophy," explains Mary Beth Sweetland, director of investigations for HSUS. "They just want it to be easy, quick and guaranteed -- and some of these places actually say 'guaranteed kill.'

"It's almost an ego trip for someone to be able to hang an animal's head on their wall and not quite explain to others who may see that so-called trophy that this animal had absolutely no chance of escape."

Sweetland adds that she is banking on Animal Planet viewers being outraged by what they see in this special.

"I hope in every state in which it is legal to kill a captive animal that people will use this show, for which we are eternally grateful to Animal Planet for producing, and take it to their legislators and insist that this practice be outlawed," she says.


Here's another article. If there is a national ban it means the entire country.

See, now your going to turn this into a train wreck! I've never heard the Obama mention hunting but wouldn't he start with gun control first? I don't recall him pushing for tougher gun laws yet, just socialism.

hunting is a 1 billion dollar industry in texas.

High fences are here to stay

A couple of weeks ago the Kenyan announced he would be working for gun control under the radar. If you don't believe me look it up. The anti-gun groups are also anti-hunting groups. They are one in the same. The legislation is real and has backing from a number of pro-hunting groups and the Animal Planet Special comes out Monday. None of you knew this till I brought it up.

Your right they are going to burn the US constitution...

Not if the law passes tx. The legislation is out there and it's a national law.

Ehh ohh well, hunting in high fences isn't hunting anyways .





Just kidding of course but they will ban it in Texas when hell freezes over.

Since you have researched this, what will happen to all of the current high fence operations?

Yelp might want to read up on tx Red snapper refs vs federal snapper refs... and why tx can do what they want to do

Same thing on the EPA crap..