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Hybrid Deer #2270618 04/26/11 03:32 AM
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Anyone have any experience with hybrid deer. Google searches are inconclusive and often leave you with more questions and none of them really answered. I shot a deer this past season that is in dispute. There were SO many whitetail characteristics its not even funny but one side of the rack was forked like a mulie and the other side was a white-tail main-beam all the way. This is really becoming a pain and I was just wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience. This was near the Panhandle area where both herds mix. Most of the websites talk about how frequent this is happening, but the local GW swears it a very rare occurance. I've had to ship the rack to him so I'm not sure what will come of the ordeal.



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Re: Hybrid Deer [Re: mattm] #2270638 04/26/11 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: mattm
Google searches are inconclusive and often leave you with more questions and none of them really answered.


This is exactly why I don't use Google anymore; give Bing a shot!



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you should not have to munch on popcorn too long bmd, I am sure people will begin chiming in momentarily


Re: Hybrid Deer [Re: blancobuster] #2270655 04/26/11 03:49 AM
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you should not have to munch on popcorn too long bmd, I am sure people will begin chiming in momentarily



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I ain't buying the cross bs I hunt where the co exist since 1997 ain't seen it yet!


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http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/u...tet#Post2092539

I've only seen one confirmed hybrid in 30 years of hunting the panhandle. See the link above for a pic. The only way to identify a hybrid is by DNA testing or measuring the tarsal gland. Why the heck did you send the rack to the GW? Unless he's pulling a DNA sample, there's nothing conclusive he can draw from looking at it. Sounds like it's being confiscated.



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Re: Hybrid Deer [Re: BMD] #2270722 04/26/11 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: BMD
I ain't buying the cross bs I hunt where the co exist since 1997 ain't seen it yet!


well bmd, what do you have to say about dkershens post.... pretty conclusive if u ask me.... grin


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Re: Hybrid Deer [Re: Closed Traverse] #2270729 04/26/11 04:19 AM
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Nothing in that pic confirms it for me!


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Looks like a wt.


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Originally Posted By: dkershen
This is a confirmed hybrid shot near Fritch in '09. Notice the muley body size, head and ears vs the white tail rear end.

The tarsal gland is the key to identifing a true hybrid. In a mule deer it's 3 to 6 inches long. On a white tail it's only an inch or so. Hybrids will always split the difference and come in around 2 inches. This is what most biologists and Game Wardens use to confirm a cross (as well as DNA sampling if someone wants to spend the $$)

Racks are never an indication of cross breeding. Just because a muley has a "whitetail looking rack" means nothing. In most cases DNA tests show these bucks to be 100% mule deer. Shooting one and putting a white tail tag on it could be a very costly mistake.




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Re: Hybrid Deer [Re: BMD] #2270739 04/26/11 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted By: BMD
Looks like I am wrong


Fixed it for ya up



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Looks no different than this wt we shot in childress, who confirmed, body size there are giant wt's in the panhandle. You guys believe what you want. Guess I am hard headed but I will believe when I see it.


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Looks like I am wrong


Vooked it for ya up



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Looks different to me...same tail though. I don't know what to believe, but I don't think that it is impossible. Then again, if it is possible, why are they so rare since there many places in Texas that they co-exist.



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Looks like I am wrong


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It is a wt in that pic, I have no doubt!


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now.... this is important...

did you use a leupold scope on the rifle that you shot him with?


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It is a wt in that pic, I have no doubt!


Agreed. I can see the white tail. Head looks like a Muley. Wonder what we would call it if it was a pic of just the head?

DNA says it is a hybrid. Scientist are never wrong bolt



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leupold is not good enough to tell differences in wt and mulie, need higher end optik to tell when they are hybrids


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I've seen a cross in the palo duro canyon myself. 12 miles south of claude. The only way a cross occurs is between a WT buck and mule deer doe. They prefer breed to breed, but will if that's all that is available.



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Re: Hybrid Deer [Re: dkershen] #2270827 04/26/11 05:35 AM
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I'm sure of that. I'm just trying to be as cooperative as I can. There is a thrid party involved who is pissed off that I recieved permission from the land owner to hunt where I did. I'm 6 hours away while he is cooking up alot of stories.



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some good pics posted here. I've about given up on the specifics of interbreeding. I don't remember the exact measurement of the tarsal gland but the tail is what got me. It was all white-tail and there was no white in the face, just a lighter brown than the rest of the body. What was probably not a smart move was hunting over a canyon with a open-site .45-70. I guess it's up to a DNA test if it ever gets to that point.

BTW about the rack. Something that I din't consider until reading some of the posts unanimously suggesting that the antlers are not a reliable tool in telling the species, the GW did tell me that he can't tell from the pics I sent and needs to see the rack in person. Oh well.



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