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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: bwk1975] #1858981 11/23/10 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: bwk1975
If you are sitting in a blind in the field, i would say that you are hunting. Especially if someone in the blind has a rifle. One gun, then both people in the blind need a license.


Not, so if someone was taping a hunt in your opinion that person would need a license? You only need a license if you are hunting, hard to do with no weapon.

Hunt, to capture, trap, take, or kill, and includes any attempt to capture, trap, take, or kill.


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GW once told me to just get the other person a license. I asked because I wanted a 6 yr old to go sit in the stand with me, but the kid had no intentions of shooting, I didn't either, was just taking her along to watch some critters.


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It would be hard to determine who actually shot the animal. In this case you might not need it, but it is better to be safe than sorry. Plus it will keep the gw off your back in the future if everybody in the field has a license. If you are recording, and no weapon in the blind i say you are prob ok. If you are in a blind with a weapon, you should have a license if you are past the age of needing a license.


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Originally Posted By: rifleman
report him then on the spot...Donnie is retired, but Shawn is a nice fella to get to know.


Yep, Shawn is a good one. He checked on our camp a few times over the last couple of years when he was working in llano County. I didn't mind him coming around at all. Very professional and friendly. I was kind of sorry to hear that he had moved to Nac. Especially since they haven't replaced him.


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Originally Posted By: helomech
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If you are sitting in a blind in the field, i would say that you are hunting. Especially if someone in the blind has a rifle. One gun, then both people in the blind need a license.


Not, so if someone was taping a hunt in your opinion that person would need a license? You only need a license if you are hunting, hard to do with no weapon.

Hunt, to capture, trap, take, or kill, and includes any attempt to capture, trap, take, or kill.


Let me ask you this. If i was in a vehicle, and another person was in the vehicle road hunting. Only one rifle, and lets say i was recording it. Am i gonna get in trouble for filming it. There is only one weapon, but i'm pretty sure i would be in just as much trouble.


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Originally Posted By: bwk1975
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If you are sitting in a blind in the field, i would say that you are hunting. Especially if someone in the blind has a rifle. One gun, then both people in the blind need a license.


Not, so if someone was taping a hunt in your opinion that person would need a license? You only need a license if you are hunting, hard to do with no weapon.

Hunt, to capture, trap, take, or kill, and includes any attempt to capture, trap, take, or kill.


Let me ask you this. If i was in a vehicle, and another person was in the vehicle road hunting. Only one rifle, and lets say i was recording it. Am i gonna get in trouble for filming it. There is only one weapon, but i'm pretty sure i would be in just as much trouble.


Yes, you are an "accessory" to the crime.


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Re: game warden checked up on us [Re: bwk1975] #1859127 11/23/10 09:19 PM
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[quote=bwk1975]If you are sitting in a blind in the field, i would say that you are hunting. Especially if someone in the blind has a rifle. One gun, then both people in the blind need a license.


Not, so if someone was taping a hunt in your opinion that person would need a license? You only need a license if you are hunting, hard to do with no weapon.

Hunt, to capture, trap, take, or kill, and includes any attempt to capture, trap, take, or kill. [/quoat te]

Let me ask you this. If i was in a vehicle, and another person was in the vehicle road hunting. Only one rifle, and lets say i was recording it. Am i gonna get in trouble for filming it. There is only one weapon, but i'm pretty sure i would be in just as much trouble.


That is a ridiculous comparison. Hunting or sitting in a stand is legal. Road hunting is illegal, and by driving you are an part of the crime.


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I was just saying that it is hard for a gw to distinguish who in the blind is hunting, and who is not when a weapon is present with that comparison. I know it is not the same. IMO if you are in a blind and a weapon is present, you are indeed involved in the act of hunting.


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Originally Posted By: bwk1975
I was just saying that it is hard for a gw to distinguish who in the blind is hunting, and who is not when a weapon is present with that comparison. I know it is not the same. IMO if you are in a blind and a weapon is present, you are indeed involved in the act of hunting.


It isn't up to you to prove anything, it is up to him to prove you where hunting. No different than fishing, I can go in a boat with no license while others are fishing (as long as they have a license) without a license, as long as I don't fish it is legal.


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Originally Posted By: helomech
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I was just saying that it is hard for a gw to distinguish who in the blind is hunting, and who is not when a weapon is present with that comparison. I know it is not the same. IMO if you are in a blind and a weapon is present, you are indeed involved in the act of hunting.


It isn't up to you to prove anything, it is up to him to prove you where hunting. No different than fishing, I can go in a boat with no license while others are fishing (as long as they have a license) without a license, as long as I don't fish it is legal.


Helo I agree with you to a point. If there is more than one fishing rod in the boat then that would be the difference. You would have a hard time proving you weren't fishing.




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nonsequitor - roll these phrases around in your head for a minute:

Heard shots fired coming from the general direction of...
During a routine traffic stop, I smelled what I suspected to be...

Now, imagine a defense attorney attempting to disprove either statement.


"I see. May I remind you that the issue here is probable cause and not whether or not my client was in violation of any game laws."

"Approximately how many hunters are there in Texas? In the county where you arrested my client?"

"And since you heard these shots from the 'general direction of blahblahblah,' how can you be sure they were shots fired by my client and not some other person who hunts in Texas or in that county?"

"Can you tell me about your training in locating a shooter based on the sound of a shot heard from an unknown distance away and coming from a vague direction?"

...Remember that it's not defense's responsibility to disprove a statement by a prosecution witness; it's defense's goal to discredit the witness or the statement. Ultimately, anything that isn't a question of law will be up to the jury to determine and that's not always so easy to predict.


That may sound good to you, but in the real world it doesn't work that way.
First of all, lawyering up will likely cost more than the violation anyway.
Second, if it was so easy to beat the rap like that, Game Wardens would not use the methods they use. One or 2 lost cases with time and money wasted and they'd change the way they operate.
Third, show me cases where some lawyer tap danced around and got a client off because the Game warden had no right to be on that ranch. If I was a juror and you played that angle, you'd go down in flames. Of course the lawyer would still get his money.
and Last, this is a really good way to have the Wardens show up every time you go hunting, looking for any minor violation they can find. Wardens probably don't like being 'Discredited'.

For me its, Yes-sir, No-sir, drop by any time you are around. I got nothing to hide.



That's all well and good, and there is no question that you should be respectful and cooperative with any GW, just like you should with any peace officer, but as a citizen in this great nation, we are still afforded rights, and we are still innocent until proven guilty, and if you as a juror would trample someone's rights, then I hope you never sit in judgment over me or any of mine. GW's have a tough job, but they are still human, and subject to mistakes, and misjudgments just like anyone else.

I consider my GW a very good friend, when it's not hunting season, we still chat at least once every couple weeks, and do things unrelated to hunting; however this last weekend I had my first negative experience with a GW in the 30 years I've been hunting. I can't really elaborate on it at the moment, but suffice it to say there has been an error in judgment made, and it wasn't by me. Maybe I'll post about it once it's resolved.


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report him then on the spot...Donnie is retired, but Shawn is a nice fella to get to know.


Yep, Shawn is a good one. He checked on our camp a few times over the last couple of years when he was working in llano County. I didn't mind him coming around at all. Very professional and friendly. I was kind of sorry to hear that he had moved to Nac. Especially since they haven't replaced him.


I'm just glad he could move back...he & his wife are from the area....he gave me a lot of grief as a teenager about my "scouting techniques"


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report him then on the spot...Donnie is retired, but Shawn is a nice fella to get to know.


Yep, Shawn is a good one. He checked on our camp a few times over the last couple of years when he was working in llano County. I didn't mind him coming around at all. Very professional and friendly. I was kind of sorry to hear that he had moved to Nac. Especially since they haven't replaced him.


I'm just glad he could move back...he & his wife are from the area....he gave me a lot of grief as a teenager about my "scouting techniques"


If your "scouting techniques" didn't involve a spotlight and a 22 mag he would leave you alone. I know how you east Tx boys are.... bolt


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You do not need a hunting license unless your hunting. You can watch a feeder with out a license all year long with your rifle just watch out what you shoot.


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Once I was stopped on the dirt road to re-secure my load on the trailer before hitting the black top and a trooper saw me stopped and made a u-turn on the black top and drove up to me. The game warden was riding shot gun with him and checked our game and things while the trooper wrote me a warning for being stopped in the middle of a working roadway. "killing two birds with one stone" that day for sure.


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I always wondered if maybe the GWs had copies of the keys to the power company's locks that are on a lot of gates?



There is a master key that will fit essentially all master lock keys. Most power and gas companies have one of these. It fits almost all master locks you find on the power line gates. And Yes, a lot of GW have them. That is how they show up in weird locked places.


This is not true. You can setup a groups of locks (all with different keys)to be opened by a Master or Grand Master key. However, the Master or Grand Master key will only open the set it was designed for. Thus, there is not a magic key that can open any Master brand lock.


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If your "scouting techniques" didn't involve a spotlight and a 22 mag he would leave you alone. I know how you east Tx boys are.... bolt


negative..a spotlight and a 300wm. But I would go down the road from my parents house and shine the light across the irrigation field (game preserve) at the side where the creek that ran behind my parent's house hit it. Of course when you are dealing with deer that score in the 140s-200s in East Tx, there is going to be a need for a warden to sit down there quite a bit. I'de just watch that end of the field and observe which way down the creek the deer would leave so I'de know when my best chances were to catch a big one behind my parent's house. On more than a few occassions he tapped on the glass to chat and if I saw he was down there with bucky set up, I would leave his hunting spot alone.


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My head hurts after reading all of this thread....the answer is simple..RESPECT LEO.
ALL LEO are human, they make mistakes just like all of us do and if the need arises to report unprofessional behavior then do it... but I like having the comfort knowing that they are out there for us making it a safe and enjoyable experience. if anyone of you has had the unfortuate experience with poachers or trespassers then you can appreciate LEO and their attitude.
on a side note, if you are not doing anything illegal then why do you have a problem with the GW accessing your property?



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Rifleman I gathered you were an east TX boy since you knew where Nogalus Prairie was. I grew up in Garrison. Where did you grow up?



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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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I am one, just taking about a 5 yr break to let my wife get some work experience before we return. I grew up in Diboll....dated quite a few girls in Garrison and somehow worked out that I hunt in Nacogdoches Co and San Augustine Co. I drive through Nogalus Prairie everytime we make the trip in (should be rolling through there around 6 this evening cutting over from Kennard to Apple Springs <----giving you a heads up twice70!). smile


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That's really cool.I will be there tomorrow myself.

Hope the Garrison girls were good to you-heck I even married one!

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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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I am one, just taking about a 5 yr break to let my wife get some work experience before we return. I grew up in Diboll....dated quite a few girls in Garrison and somehow worked out that I hunt in Nacogdoches Co and San Augustine Co. I drive through Nogalus Prairie everytime we make the trip in (should be rolling through there around 6 this evening cutting over from Kennard to Apple Springs <----giving you a heads up twice70!). smile


You're safe, I'll be at the deer lease!!


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Our GW is awesome... Can't tell you how many times he has sat down and ate dinner with us!



You can run but you can't hide...
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