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Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: Curtis] #1720453 10/05/10 01:14 AM
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Ask him that we all know that no deer in Texas can grow to 300 inches without being genetically influenced and want to know why he is trying to say it isn't. Or ask him if he will have a 400 inch deer in the next two to five years?Every dam one of you are fools to think this deer is fair chase...


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Strong words Cborden. I guess I am a fool popcorn



Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: Longhorn95] #1720530 10/05/10 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted By: Longhorn95
Strong words Cborden. I guess I am a fool popcorn


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Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: stxranchman] #1720559 10/05/10 01:40 AM
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Geez what ever happened to being happy for someone. Those guys work their tails off to produce the deer they do!


Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: Cborden] #1720565 10/05/10 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted By: Cborden
Ask him that we all know that no deer in Texas can grow to 300 inches without being genetically influenced and want to know why he is trying to say it isn't. Or ask him if he will have a 400 inch deer in the next two to five years?Every dam one of you are fools to think this deer is fair chase...


Have you ever hunting that area? Seen deer from that area? You are clueless, man. There is a reason the place is called the golden triangle.

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Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: Justin T] #1720577 10/05/10 01:45 AM
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Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: stxranchman] #1720586 10/05/10 01:49 AM
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Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: Justin T] #1720621 10/05/10 01:57 AM
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I promise to apologize after genetics are pulled..Hope I'm wrong for sure and am in no way hating cause that is one helluva deer.. But I read something the other day about how genetically altering deer that there is no limits to where it ends..But still ya'll can't be serious as to think this deer is free range.Here is exactly why I say this..I have a buddy whos dad owns a hf facility and a lf within 30 miles of each other.One 4k acres(hf) and one 7500(lf) and they feed the exact same protien and require the same guidelines at both ranches and the deer are night and day from each other..170 tops at the lf and 200+(hf)..Oh I forgot to say that they bought breeder bucks 5yrs ago and stuck them in hf..I have another case if one would like to hear..


Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: Cborden] #1720625 10/05/10 01:59 AM
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We are all ears...oops I mean eyes.


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Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: Cborden] #1720645 10/05/10 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted By: Cborden
I promise to apologize after genetics are pulled..Hope I'm wrong for sure and am in no way hating cause that is one helluva deer.. But I read something the other day about how genetically altering deer that there is no limits to where it ends..But still ya'll can't be serious as to think this deer is free range.Here is exactly why I say this..I have a buddy whos dad owns a hf facility and a lf within 30 miles of each other.One 4k acres(hf) and one 7500(lf) and they feed the exact same protien and require the same guidelines at both ranches and the deer are night and day from each other..170 tops at the lf and 200+(hf)..Oh I forgot to say that they bought breeder bucks 5yrs ago and stuck them in hf..I have another case if one would like to hear..

I have a couple of questions for you. What area of the state are these 2 ranches in? 30 miles is a serious distance also. It can be the distance between Edwards Plateau and South Texas. How many breeder bucks did they bring in? Just because they brought in breeder bucks does not make an impact on that alone. If they have 200" bucks in the HF then they had the genetics before they brought in the bucks. You still have to manage. You will be wrong on your assumption on this buck. He is 100% pure South Texas Native genetics.



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Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: stxranchman] #1720646 10/05/10 02:05 AM
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Let's hear it man.


Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: stxranchman] #1720649 10/05/10 02:05 AM
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I am not sure anyone said it was low fence. He just said they did not bring in any outside genetics.


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Originally Posted By: Cborden
I promise to apologize after genetics are pulled..Hope I'm wrong for sure and am in no way hating cause that is one helluva deer.. But I read something the other day about how genetically altering deer that there is no limits to where it ends..But still ya'll can't be serious as to think this deer is free range.Here is exactly why I say this..I have a buddy whos dad owns a hf facility and a lf within 30 miles of each other.One 4k acres(hf) and one 7500(lf) and they feed the exact same protien and require the same guidelines at both ranches and the deer are night and day from each other..170 tops at the lf and 200+(hf)..Oh I forgot to say that they bought breeder bucks 5yrs ago and stuck them in hf..I have another case if one would like to hear..


Well, maybe your friends need to speak with Marko and his dad, or better yet, listen to what they have to say about culling, feed, brush & range management, etc. and maybe they can better the 200" mark they are getting off their HF ranch!

IMO, to come on here and make a bold statement like you did in your post above this one makes you look like the fool, not those who believe what Marko has stated on this forum and other places many times over!



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Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS] #1720703 10/05/10 02:22 AM
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The thing that cracks me up is how people make these claims and have no clue. They have no clue about genetics. How do genes get somewhere? Genes are not artificially created (at least for deer). I don't think anyone has found the "antler gene". Genetics are complicated. Science is not magic when it comes to genetics. You don't just pull them out of a vial, inject them in your deer, and BOOM POOF magic.

Breeder bucks originated somewhere. They all came from native stock somewhere. This area is known for having great genetics. They are deer that one might start their breeding facility using. So clearly, if you get them enough nutrition and age, you will grow some bruisers. Seriously, this is ridiculous. How can you make such a definitive statement that you know nothing about?

This area has produced 200inch bucks before, under LF.


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Okay, time for some questions...

1. What techniques besides the usual hunting corned sendero's and food plots do you employ in the brush country for big bucks? What times of the season do you use different techniques?

2. Without supplemental protein, what do you think the top end score of a brush country deer is if you have a HF or large enough LF to control what is shot and what lives?

3. On the deer your dad shot, what is the history of it for the past year? Was it spotted often and he just got lucky in that setup or was it a surprise as to when it would show up?

4. How important are game cams in your success to locating big bucks and patterning them?


Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS] #1720727 10/05/10 02:27 AM
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Ask him how that nasty old mutant deer tastes. It's probably pretty tough and gamey so I would suggest making lots of heavily seasoned breakfast and summer sausage. Also, ask him if he's going to do a European skull mount or if he's going to just saw off the antlers and use them for rattling.


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Ask him if he was nervous when he was squeezing the trigger. Did he try not to look at the horns, or was it just another deer... LOL



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Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: Justin T] #1720797 10/05/10 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: Justin T
The thing that cracks me up is how people make these claims and have no clue. They have no clue about genetics. How do genes get somewhere? Genes are not artificially created (at least for deer). I don't think anyone has found the "antler gene". Genetics are complicated. Science is not magic when it comes to genetics. You don't just pull them out of a vial, inject them in your deer, and BOOM POOF magic.

Breeder bucks originated somewhere. They all came from native stock somewhere. This area is known for having great genetics. They are deer that one might start their breeding facility using. So clearly, if you get them enough nutrition and age, you will grow some bruisers. Seriously, this is ridiculous. How can you make such a definitive statement that you know nothing about?

This area has produced 200inch bucks before, under LF.


X2 But some seem to think that they are an ingredient on a feed label now..You cannot feed genetics into a herd....but in reality to the only thing you do is add time and some lead to improve on genetics. Either they are there are not.
Breeder deer are just heavily managed deer. They just did not suddenly drop from heaven and become breeder deer. They were managed like heavily managed ranches are doing now on a larger scale and we are seeing what management can do on larger scales than a breeding pen.



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Originally Posted By: Justin T
The thing that cracks me up is how people make these claims and have no clue. They have no clue about genetics. How do genes get somewhere? Genes are not artificially created (at least for deer). I don't think anyone has found the "antler gene". Genetics are complicated. Science is not magic when it comes to genetics. You don't just pull them out of a vial, inject them in your deer, and BOOM POOF magic.

Breeder bucks originated somewhere. They all came from native stock somewhere. This area is known for having great genetics. They are deer that one might start their breeding facility using. So clearly, if you get them enough nutrition and age, you will grow some bruisers. Seriously, this is ridiculous. How can you make such a definitive statement that you know nothing about?

This area has produced 200inch bucks before, under LF.


X2 But some seem to think that they are an ingredient on a feed label now..You cannot feed genetics into a herd....but in reality to the only thing you do is add time and some lead to improve on genetics. Either they are there are not.
Breeder deer are just heavily managed deer. They just did not suddenly drop from heaven and become breeder deer. They were managed like heavily managed ranches are doing now on a larger scale and we are seeing what management can do on larger scales than a breeding pen.


Exactly right!

And correct me if I'm wrong on this one stxranchman but in a year like Webb County experienced this year, I would be surprised if their is any feed ground and mixed that can compare with the natural plant species that exist in that country!



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Re: Interview With Marko from Las Raices- New State Record Buck [Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS] #1720840 10/05/10 02:48 AM
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I think diet has a lot to do with it. I'm sure that buck had his fair share of protein. But I have no doubt it is native.


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Cable, I would like to know how many bucks in the B&C range (170+) that they think are on their ranch that they dont know about, dont see, see only once a year, etc. 4100 acres is a big place, and while a 300" doesnt escape much, i would think they have many deer they just dont know about.

I know my friends place is 1400 acres HF in pearsall county, and there are deer all over that they dont see, multiple 160" deer that they see on camera, and never ever see in the daylight.


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How much does he feed? Does he only feed protein, or food plots as well?

Do you have most of your success in October, both of the monsters are in full velvet?


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longhunter, now that is funny right there!


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