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 Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/04/10 09:19 PM
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That is the most awesome buck . I can congratulate them for it . I will also say hunting is hunting and I wish you all the best but ... you cannot compare a HF deer to a LF deer .
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
[Re: texfork]
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10/05/10 01:24 AM
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Tell me this..If there is no difference in high fence or low fence then why is there never any mention of 200 plus inch deer being taken from lf? Does 3/4 of the huge ranches in Texas not feed the same thing year round? Well then maybe its because hf people have been buying these breeder bucks from genetically altered facilities for the past few years and this is what has come of it..I don't care what you say but this 311 inch deer will be an afterthought in 5 years..Seriously when is it enough? 400?500?
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
[Re: mr. buck]
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10/05/10 01:38 AM
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if im the neighbors that "fenced" him in I'm in a real big hurry to get the wire cutters out and cut my stupid fence down. and kicking myself the whole time im doing it You read my mind! If you fence "out" these type of management plans, what the heck are you raising on your side, Tyrannosaurus Rex? That fence would be removed quicker than I typed this.
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
[Re: Cborden]
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10/05/10 01:54 AM
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Tell me this..If there is no difference in high fence or low fence then why is there never any mention of 200 plus inch deer being taken from lf? Does 3/4 of the huge ranches in Texas not feed the same thing year round? Well then maybe its because hf people have been buying these breeder bucks from genetically altered facilities for the past few years and this is what has come of it..I don't care what you say but this 311 inch deer will be an afterthought in 5 years..Seriously when is it enough? 400?500? You need to do some research before you go on a rant...Los Cazadores has had lots of LF bucks over 200" posted their in the last 10 yrs as well as the Texas Big Game Awards program. Also please explain "genetically altered faciltities" to me? Just curious as to what you expert opinion is of one. I was not aware that you could alter genetics. You make it sound like raising a 300" deer is easy, if so then why aren't more being raised? Just curious.
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
[Re: HardWired]
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10/05/10 01:57 AM
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if im the neighbors that "fenced" him in I'm in a real big hurry to get the wire cutters out and cut my stupid fence down. and kicking myself the whole time im doing it You read my mind! If you fence "out" these type of management plans, what the heck are you raising on your side, Tyrannosaurus Rex? That fence would be removed quicker than I typed this. The last 2 neighbors to fence them out have also killed book deer on their ranches..one is around 10,000 acres in size and the other was just over 100,000 acres. They had no say in the fencing. They would rather have stayed LF on those sides. With these kind of deer who would not want to be LF. Somethings are just out of your controll.
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
[Re: Cborden]
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10/05/10 01:59 AM
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Tell me this..If there is no difference in high fence or low fence then why is there never any mention of 200 plus inch deer being taken from lf? Does 3/4 of the huge ranches in Texas not feed the same thing year round? Well then maybe its because hf people have been buying these breeder bucks from genetically altered facilities for the past few years and this is what has come of it..I don't care what you say but this 311 inch deer will be an afterthought in 5 years..Seriously when is it enough? 400?500? Really, there are no 200+ LF bucks. Well below is a link to 3 of them taken last year alone! LMAO http://www.[censored]/contests/category.asp?contest_id=18&division_id=1181&category_id=9&cat_div_id=2238 And no, all ranches don't feed the same thing or use the ultimate management tools the same way, especially culling the herd!!! Is there some reason that this deer could not have been raised on a 4,000 acre LF ranch had he been born there and had the same groceries be it natural or out of a feeder???
High fence, low fence, no fence, it really doesn't matter as long as you're hunting!
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:13 AM
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I think it is time to have a record book for "High Fenced" and "Free Range" animals. Kind of like what they will do with baseball "steroid" era. Just call this deer the "Barry Bonds" buck! Great deer, but no way this deer would ever have come off of a free range ranch. Just saying.
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:16 AM
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stxranchman
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I think it is time to have a record book for "High Fenced" and "Free Range" animals. Kind of like what they will do with baseball "steroid" era. Just call this deer the "Barry Bonds" buck! Great deer, but no way this deer would ever have come off of a free range ranch. Just saying. I guess we better quit hunting then?
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:18 AM
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I think it is time to have a record book for "High Fenced" and "Free Range" animals. Kind of like what they will do with baseball "steroid" era. Just call this deer the "Barry Bonds" buck! Great deer, but no way this deer would ever have come off of a free range ranch. Just saying. Why could a deer like this not be raised on a low fence ranch? Your statement holds not water at all!
High fence, low fence, no fence, it really doesn't matter as long as you're hunting!
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:23 AM
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Show me a 300+ deer on a free range ranch and I will retract my statement. Nothing against a high fenced ranch, but there is no way a deer can reach that size without it. There is too much pressure on free range deer of any size. Unless you have a 10K+ ranch, they will range too far. That is why you have seen a huge jump in deer scores in Texas over the past 10 years. Don't know where you hunt, but if a 150 class deer shows up, they will die from lead poison in most parts. Just think, a 150 class deer is a trophy of a lifetime for most. This deer is twice that. He would never get a chance to grow that big in free range.
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
[Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS]
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10/05/10 02:25 AM
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he could be, but chances are he would get shot around the 200" mark. There could be big deer like that on the low pressure 20000+ acre ranches, b/c you start talking property that size and no one really knows what they have. Heck we have 16 cams running on 5K acres and don't know 1/3 of whats on the place.
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:27 AM
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Tell me this..If there is no difference in high fence or low fence then why is there never any mention of 200 plus inch deer being taken from lf? Does 3/4 of the huge ranches in Texas not feed the same thing year round? Well then maybe its because hf people have been buying these breeder bucks from genetically altered facilities for the past few years and this is what has come of it..I don't care what you say but this 311 inch deer will be an afterthought in 5 years..Seriously when is it enough? 400?500? There have been quite a few 200+ LF bucks taken in north Texas in the last 10 years. Montague, Grayson, Hood, Clay, etc..
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:29 AM
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possibly, but that deer did not just spout 300" from year 3.5 to 6.5 or how ever old he was. That deer has been huge for a while
Hell the 200+ inch Henson buck is 3.5 years
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:29 AM
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Wish we could see some big typical bucks...
Mainly freaks that get that big.
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:31 AM
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Show me a 300+ deer on a free range ranch and I will retract my statement. Nothing against a high fenced ranch, but there is no way a deer can reach that size without it. There is too much pressure on free range deer of any size. Unless you have a 10K+ ranch, they will range too far. That is why you have seen a huge jump in deer scores in Texas over the past 10 years. Don't know where you hunt, but if a 150 class deer shows up, they will die from lead poison in most parts. Just think, a 150 class deer is a trophy of a lifetime for most. This deer is twice that. He would never get a chance to grow that big in free range. EXACTLY! You hit the nail right on the head with this. Maybe there is/are 300 deer on LF places, maybe not. But the fact is that there could be and you know it! What about the King, Kennedy, or other large ranches that have many thousands of acres??? Can you sit right here and say that they don't have a 300 running around there. But, the bottom line is that given the chance to get to 7.5 and the right groceries, IT CAN HAPPEN!
High fence, low fence, no fence, it really doesn't matter as long as you're hunting!
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
[Re: SingleShot85]
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10/05/10 02:35 AM
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possibly, but that deer did not just spout 300" from year 3.5 to 6.5 or how ever old he was. That deer has been huge for a while
Hell the 200+ inch Henson buck is 3.5 years I believe on another website I read today that they figured he made about an 80" jump from last year to this year. If that is indeed the case Mark and Marco probably had this deer at 220"+ last year and let him walk at 6.5! Now, what kind of hunter(s) let a mature 220" buck walk at 6.5??? My answer to that is ones that are very, very dedicated to their management program and spend a little time on their knees asking for the Good Lord to bless there ranch with plenty of H2O which they got this year to make this buck blow up! Now, what if they would have had 8" of rain instead??? Maybe he goes from 220+ to 190 or less!
High fence, low fence, no fence, it really doesn't matter as long as you're hunting!
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:37 AM
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Txduckman. Please elaborate on "quite a few." When you get that number, take it and divide it by the 100K+ deer that were taken in Texas last year. Then, you will get an understanding of the chances. I would have a better chance of winning the mega millions and then getting struck by lighting on the way home then I would killing a 200+inch deer on free range. And I have 7000+ acres of prime land in Panhandle!
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:38 AM
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Show me a 300+ deer on a free range ranch and I will retract my statement. Nothing against a high fenced ranch, but there is no way a deer can reach that size without it. There is too much pressure on free range deer of any size. Unless you have a 10K+ ranch, they will range too far. That is why you have seen a huge jump in deer scores in Texas over the past 10 years. Don't know where you hunt, but if a 150 class deer shows up, they will die from lead poison in most parts. Just think, a 150 class deer is a trophy of a lifetime for most. This deer is twice that. He would never get a chance to grow that big in free range.  World Record Non-Typical SCORE: 333 7/8
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:39 AM
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Tell me this..If there is no difference in high fence or low fence then why is there never any mention of 200 plus inch deer being taken from lf? Does 3/4 of the huge ranches in Texas not feed the same thing year round? Well then maybe its because hf people have been buying these breeder bucks from genetically altered facilities for the past few years and this is what has come of it..I don't care what you say but this 311 inch deer will be an afterthought in 5 years..Seriously when is it enough? 400?500? There have been quite a few 200+ LF bucks taken in north Texas in the last 10 years. Montague, Grayson, Hood, Clay, etc.. SHHHHHH!!!!! Keep all the pressure in South Texas.
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:40 AM
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deer is a pure monster. Marko and his dad know what they are talking about, and know what they are doing.
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:44 AM
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Sorry bwilliams, meant grayson county. No big deer in the TX Panhandle. Believe me, if I had the money to High fence my place, would do so to just keep the rednecks from shooting anything that walks or crawls!
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
[Re: ILUVBIGBUCKS]
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10/05/10 02:45 AM
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This one? 
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind...Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks--Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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10/05/10 02:49 AM
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Show me a 300+ deer on a free range ranch and I will retract my statement. Nothing against a high fenced ranch, but there is no way a deer can reach that size without it. There is too much pressure on free range deer of any size. Unless you have a 10K+ ranch, they will range too far. That is why you have seen a huge jump in deer scores in Texas over the past 10 years. Don't know where you hunt, but if a 150 class deer shows up, they will die from lead poison in most parts. Just think, a 150 class deer is a trophy of a lifetime for most. This deer is twice that. He would never get a chance to grow that big in free range. World Record Non-Typical SCORE: 333 7/8 He ain't the only one.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Possible New State Record Whitetail Deer.
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