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 Re: ar-15 purchase
[Re: 100%TEXAN]
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08/18/10 10:15 PM
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I like AR-15s to have the following specs:
5.56 chamber
M16 Bolt carrier group
MPI/HPT Tested bolt
Chrome lined 1/7 twist barrel
Milspec diameter buffer tube
Heavy Buffer
F marked front forged sight base.
The above specs are as close to the true M4 our military uses. Top shelf manufacturers offer guns with these specs. Colt, BCM, LMT, Spikes Tactical, all offer guns with these specs, DPMS, Bushmaster, Rock River etc. do not. For around $750 , Spikes Tactical offers an M4 type carbine with the correct specs. I know of no better gun for the money. I prefer BCM, I have three different uppers from BCM that are outstanding. I also have and have had guns from DPMS, Bushmaster, Rock River and others. There are many good guns out there but there is just no reason not to buy a gun that has top quality specs for not much more money. It pays to do one's homework.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
[Re: burleson1974]
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08/18/10 11:58 PM
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Well MILSPEC is MILSPEC. And as far as CMT goes, the receivers being cut are all cut to the same specs. The only difference is the roll stamp marking. They are all machined from the same forgings. Not being controversial just want to put out accurate information. Amen... I guess you guys can explain to me why many brands have sales on their blemished lowers ? They are of the same quality as there 1st run, hu ? If you honestly think every part made for different brands coming out of teh same house is of the same quality you would be misinformed. Im not at all saying that is what your buddy RPG is selling just throwing some information out there that obviously some arent aware of. Once again I wasnt talking bad about or jumping on yalls buddy RPG... 
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/19/10 01:32 AM
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Just my two cents worth since I have seen my name in here a few time. Most AR's are built with milspec parts and to milspec tolerances so they are fairly evenly matched. I have been doing this for a long time and have my favorites. Brandon mentioned Noveske in an earlier post and I agree with him, Noveske is right at the top of the list. So is Larue. These are both expensive mfg's but premier quality.
I build a lot of AR's, some budget guns and a lot of high end custom builds. Not gonna toot my own horn, ask people on here and you can find out what my guns are capable of.
As for the other manufacturers listed in this post, most of them use components Purchased from the same place I get mine. Receivers are receivers your accuracy comes from barrels and internals in my opinion. That's where I make my advancements.
I will say this, if you are looking for a quality rifle at an inexpensive price, my basic 16" patrol rifle starts at $735.00. Hard to beat that right now. If you look hard enough you WILL find cheaper rifles, but I am sure most will agree, you get what you pay for. Big name manufacturers mass produce these guns and can sometimes sacrifice quality for cost savings. Hope some of this helps and I am always happy to answer questions. These are just my opinions and I am by far not being boastful about my products. How much would you charge for a carbine with these specs?? 5.56 chamber M16 Bolt carrier group MPI/HPT/Shot peened/ Tested bolt Chrome lined 1/7 twist barrel Milspec diameter buffer tube Heavy Buffer F marked front forged sight base.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/19/10 02:52 AM
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I think all manufacturers have times where they have problems that cause blems or seconds. Generally they are cosmetic and not structural problems.
So I now have a question, if CMT cuts receivers and many different internal parts for many of the"big name" manufactureres do you not think they are cut on the same machines to the same tolerances?
Sure they will have bad parts from time to time, that Iis what quality control checks are for. Those parts are generally scrapped not sold
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/19/10 03:02 AM
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The 1:7" twist is a 50.00 upgrade and 35.00 upgrade for M16 bolt. I include H buffers with upgraded stocks at no cost. M16 BCG is Mfg by LMT. M16 Auto BCG's are standard on some models I build.
Rarely use F marked FSP as most upgrade to a low profile or flat top gas block.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/19/10 03:21 AM
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The 1:7" twist is a 50.00 upgrade and 35.00 upgrade for M16 bolt. I include H buffers with upgraded stocks at no cost. M16 BCG is Mfg by LMT. M16 Auto BCG's are standard on some models I build.
Rarely use F marked FSP as most upgrade to a low profile or flat top gas block.
This is how you described your basic package to me? Nothing was mentioned about a $50 upgrade and your website says the basic rifles have 1/9 twists?  Aero precision lowers or my RPG lowers with DPMS internals. My upper which is forged by CMT, CMT bolt carrier groups. 16" 1:7" twist Wilson barrels. Standard handguards and front sight post.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/19/10 03:41 AM
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XBE Im not sure why you belive all parts manufactuered for different companies are of teh same quality (I understand the logic) but wont waste my time trying to explain it as you have clearly already figured out that they are all the same... I have two different stripped upper receivers here that were manufactureed out of the same house for different companies if you would like to see the proof they are not all the same...
On a side note are you and RPG the same or coworkers or you a sponser for him something ? I noticed RPGs statement was originallly posted by you then you deleted your and he made the same post ?
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/19/10 03:43 AM
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XBE Im not sure why you belive all parts manufactuered for different companies are of teh same quality (I understand the logic) but wont waste my time trying to explain it as you have clearly already figured out that they are all the same...
On a side note are you and RPG the same or coworkers or you a sponser for him something ? I noticed RPGs statement was originallly posted by you then you deleted your and he made the same post ? I noticed that too!
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/19/10 01:41 PM
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XBE Im not sure why you belive all parts manufactuered for different companies are of teh same quality (I understand the logic) but wont waste my time trying to explain it as you have clearly already figured out that they are all the same...
On a side note are you and RPG the same or coworkers or you a sponser for him something ? I noticed RPGs statement was originallly posted by you then you deleted your and he made the same post ? I noticed that too! Hmmmm, that's suspicious.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/19/10 01:52 PM
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XBE is a good friend and customer of mine. Nothing more. If any of you have questions or concerns I welcome you go give me a call or email.
This thread has drifted so far off track now it is pointless. I am not here to argue with anyone, in fact the purpose of forums like this is to be able to voice your thoughts and opinions. If everyone one here knew everything about building these types of weapons you would all be millionaires in the business.
I don't claim to know everything but I do know enough to build quality rifles and have sound business practices.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/19/10 02:46 PM
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You really need to get XBE on the pay role, every post he has made outside the classifieds has been an advertisement for you ! Even his classified adds seem to have your name in them too...  And by the way, how do you know we arent all millionares ?? 
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/19/10 03:10 PM
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Brandon you are right! He buys a lot of stuff from me!!! Might be a way of making a little extra money and capitalizing on good prices. Millionaires, [censored] I an a hundredaire! If yall are millionaires send some my way!!
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/19/10 05:16 PM
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Well MILSPEC is MILSPEC. And as far as CMT goes, the receivers being cut are all cut to the same specs. The only difference is the roll stamp marking. They are all machined from the same forgings. Not being controversial just want to put out accurate information. Amen... A lot of people view an AR as a commodity type of product, in that one is just as good as another (like buying gas at Shell vs Chevron). This is most likely because companies throw around the word milspec in their product descriptions, when their product is not really milspec. There are three four basic points (just edited to add the 4th) to meeting the milspec standard, 1) dimensions, 2) material 3) testing and 4) assembly. When companies say they sell a milspec rifle, they are mostly referring to #1, dimensions. To fully meet the milspec requirements (to the extent a consumer AR can), certain materials must be used in barrels and other parts and certain testing must be done on others (like HP/MP on the bolt). Assembly can include properly staking the gas key and buffer tube. A majority of the companies making AR rifles don't meet the material standards or the testing standards. You can reference the chart that was posted earlier in the thread to see what companies do/do not meet the standards.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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Great explanation Rudy. This is what I was trying to say, but could not get out. IF and only IF it is a TRUE MILSPEC part there should be no difference in the part regardless of who manufacturers it.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/20/10 12:11 AM
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what about rock river or les baer? are they comparable? just saw both at euless guns and ammo. the rock river in 308 felt like a million bucks.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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have a shoot off and cut all the crap!!!! this post can go on forever! buy whatever you wanna buy, shoot whatever you wanna shoot, if you think the brand you are using is great so be it! who cares what other people think is best, more accurate, is better than the other! there is a few here that have actually been in combat and have had alot of experiences with certain ar's trust them they were there we weren't! if it worked for them it will work for you. who cares how many ar's you built or are building!
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/20/10 10:32 AM
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have a shoot off and cut all the crap!!!! this post can go on forever! buy whatever you wanna buy, shoot whatever you wanna shoot, if you think the brand you are using is great so be it! who cares what other people think is best, more accurate, is better than the other! there is a few here that have actually been in combat and have had alot of experiences with certain ar's trust them they were there we weren't! if it worked for them it will work for you. who cares how many ar's you built or are building! There are people here that have been in combat with an AR-15??? Really??? Stag all the way!!!!!
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/20/10 05:48 PM
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Glad to hear from the Stag rep on this one !! 
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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Glad to see a fellow Stag owner. I think the point he is trying to make is for the purpose for which people use there ar's on this sight for(hunting),where does needing the highest end speced out gun come into play. When I pull the trigger mine goes Bang or Boom whichever and hits the target where I was aiming. Who is to say which is better unless you have shot or owned every gun make. Where is the need for the highest end rifle except just to say you have it. Oh and umm Stag All The Way.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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Exactly, and i also think old town is brandon's rep. I wonder what color his nose is? I guess the guy's in iraq are all using brandon's built m4's. Because those are the best. There are people that actually use there rifles and they are one's who do alot of reading and think they know it all. All people asked for was recommendations, they don't want to hear bashings of other peoples rifles. Shoot what you want to shoot and just get over it. I have stags, spikes, noveske, and colt to me it's a preference. I won't bash either one. If you asked me what was better i would just give you the specs. And let you decide. Noveske's are badass, top dollar and quality. But ask any combat veteran and they will say they are more than happy with their colt's.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
[Re: 100%TEXAN]
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Go back and reread my posts ... If I was sying buy teh best of the best I would say Noveske Larue Wilson or some high end AR along those lines. My point and I guess you are having a hard time understanding is that you can get a "true" mil spec AR for about the same price as some of the brands you can get at Cabelas BPS or other stores. Once again if you will pay attention to what I and a couple others have posted I stated that there isnt anything wrong with those ARs just better options for the money... But what do I know Ive never used or owned any ARs.... As for what guys who have been in the military and used day in and day out, that is not what people ask questions about. You wont see me giving opinions on the M16 or its cousin teh M4 or full auto fire and things of that nature as I dont have too much first hand knowledge of those variations. Glad yall are happy with your Stags none the less...  For the record I was giving info on ST and Bravo NOT one that I have built. Quote me in this thread where I have said one I have built are the way to go. the only Ars I have spoke about in this thread have been off the shelf rifles. Feel free to keep th BS going though as if shows you knowledge..
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/20/10 07:11 PM
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Im more than happy to listen to peoples opinions on AR's. Its been very informative. But some had the opportunity to enlighten some folks and instead turned into bashing session of a particular brand.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
[Re: 100%TEXAN]
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I may have missed the bashing section, please fill me in. When someone says there are better options out the for the same $$ I see that as good information not bashing , thats just me though... Im still waiting for that quote by the way... As for brown nosing there has been some of that on here but dont think its because two people have the same opinion on a product they have used. For the record I dont know OT we just agree on several things.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/20/10 07:29 PM
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Ok Brandon maybe not bashing. Never said it was you so dont be so damn offensive. Dont know anything about a quote your asking for.
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