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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/17/10 08:27 PM
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I have had to send a ST lower back because it wouldnt fit as tight as I liked to several uppers. It was one over their blemihsed lowers and they sent me a 1st run and I received it in 4 days.
I dont know what to say about the headspace this as I have yet to come across one that wasnt headspace correctly even stripped barrels are headspaced correctly. You absolutely %100 need to let them know about that as well as the buffer tube. I can tell you from my experience that is not teh norm.
I dont know about the particular rifle you have or if its even a complete ST but Model 1 sales is on the bottom end of ARs and I have seen all kinds of problems with them being out of spec and in general just poor QC.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/17/10 08:47 PM
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I really wasnt trying to be a prik or school anyone and Im far from an expert, I still learn thing I dint know aout all the time .  Seriously though you need to contact Spikes if your not %100 happy with your rifle. It should be at teh very least up to par with Bushy. I am satisfied with it now. It was loose, accuwedge fixed that. Headspace was off when I got it, reguaged and fixed that. Spring would hang in buffer tube. Replaced with Magpul, fixed that.For the sake of Spikes the gun was bought used off another forum. Honestly my old Spikes lower with Model 1 upper was a better feeling gun then my Spikes.... Replaced it with Magpul what??? Buffer spring?? Stock??? Headspace was off?? The bull**** is strong in this thread or you got a hold of poorly assembled parts gun. NOT a Spike's assembled gun.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/17/10 09:15 PM
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Replaced it with Magpul what??? Buffer spring?? Stock??? Headspace was off?? The bull**** is strong in this thread or you got a hold of poorly assembled parts gun. NOT a Spike's assembled gun.
Funny that you jumped straight to saying I am lying, or bullshitting. You dont know me or you would know I dont BS, I have no reason to. What would I gain by saying I own a rifle that was a POS???? Like I said, I bought it off another forum, USED. I have no clue what was done to it before me, but I got it at a good price at what the seller had listed as a factory Spikes. I had my brother in law fix the headspace issue. It would not eject the casing, was told it was an issue with the spacing. He removed it and said that he regauged it, and it has worked flawlessly since. I replaced the 6 way with the MAGPUL UBR stock/tube and a factory DPMS spring and buffer.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/17/10 10:22 PM
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Replaced it with Magpul what??? Buffer spring?? Stock??? Headspace was off?? The bull**** is strong in this thread or you got a hold of poorly assembled parts gun. NOT a Spike's assembled gun.
Funny that you jumped straight to saying I am lying, or bullshitting. You dont know me or you would know I dont BS, I have no reason to. What would I gain by saying I own a rifle that was a POS???? Like I said, I bought it off another forum, USED. I have no clue what was done to it before me, but I got it at a good price at what the seller had listed as a factory Spikes. I had my brother in law fix the headspace issue. It would not eject the casing, was told it was an issue with the spacing. He removed it and said that he regauged it, and it has worked flawlessly since. I replaced the 6 way with the MAGPUL UBR stock/tube and a factory DPMS spring and buffer. This is a museum quality example of talking out of one's arse. I do not believe they are any better then what Cabela's has for a lot lessI can't lie and say I know anything about BCM as I have never seen one or any of their products.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/17/10 10:57 PM
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Replaced it with Magpul what??? Buffer spring?? Stock??? Headspace was off?? The bull**** is strong in this thread or you got a hold of poorly assembled parts gun. NOT a Spike's assembled gun.
Funny that you jumped straight to saying I am lying, or bullshitting. You dont know me or you would know I dont BS, I have no reason to. What would I gain by saying I own a rifle that was a POS???? Like I said, I bought it off another forum, USED. I have no clue what was done to it before me, but I got it at a good price at what the seller had listed as a factory Spikes. I had my brother in law fix the headspace issue. It would not eject the casing, was told it was an issue with the spacing. He removed it and said that he regauged it, and it has worked flawlessly since. I replaced the 6 way with the MAGPUL UBR stock/tube and a factory DPMS spring and buffer. This is a museum quality example of talking out of one's arse. I do not believe they are any better then what Cabela's has for a lot lessI can't lie and say I know anything about BCM as I have never seen one or any of their products. HOLYSHIT DUDE! Let it go!!!! If BCM had 12 inches you would need the heimlich...
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/17/10 11:03 PM
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/17/10 11:36 PM
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Replaced it with Magpul what??? Buffer spring?? Stock??? Headspace was off?? The bull**** is strong in this thread or you got a hold of poorly assembled parts gun. NOT a Spike's assembled gun.
Funny that you jumped straight to saying I am lying, or bullshitting. You dont know me or you would know I dont BS, I have no reason to. What would I gain by saying I own a rifle that was a POS???? Like I said, I bought it off another forum, USED. I have no clue what was done to it before me, but I got it at a good price at what the seller had listed as a factory Spikes. I had my brother in law fix the headspace issue. It would not eject the casing, was told it was an issue with the spacing. He removed it and said that he regauged it, and it has worked flawlessly since. I replaced the 6 way with the MAGPUL UBR stock/tube and a factory DPMS spring and buffer. This is a museum quality example of talking out of one's arse. I do not believe they are any better then what Cabela's has for a lot lessI can't lie and say I know anything about BCM as I have never seen one or any of their products. HOLYSHIT DUDE! Let it go!!!! If BCM had 12 inches you would need the heimlich... Boy, that's classy.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/17/10 11:44 PM
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There's a gun show at market hall this weekend. You should be able to pick up a colt for around $1100 plus tax.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/17/10 11:52 PM
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There's a gun show at market hall this weekend. You should be able to pick up a colt for around $1100 plus tax. The Colt 6920 is among the finest ARs built. Rock solid, no-frills quality. My first one had the large pin (.171") fire control pins but the new ones have the standard .154" pins. Great guns.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/18/10 12:17 AM
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I need a good AR and still can't decide to get one built from Spikes or RPG or just buy a complete rifle. Decision, decisions 
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/18/10 12:35 AM
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I have sold and handled nearly all of them... Aint rich by no means,but could carry whatever we want, and after thousands of thousands of rounds, in nearly every make known, here's my 2 cents worth....
My family and closest friends that I trust, are carrying COLT's, Bushmaster's, and Smith and Wesson.
Of those 10-12 guns I know of and care for, there are no failures. My personal gun, is a Bushmaster, dead nuts accurate, durable, and reliable as any.... My wife and son have Colts, others have Smiths and Colts, ...
The guns I see that have the most trouble.... are the parts guns from Joe's Garage or whereever... (no offense Joe)... they have FTF/reliability issues, safety issues, accuracy issues, and poor resale value.
Can there be good parts guns? Sure, maybe.
Can you get a bad Colt? Uh, never saw one but maybe. Which maybe do you want to work from, good parts guns or bad Colt/Bushmaster/Smith?
Seen other good ones, not knocking anyones Double Star, Daly, Daniel, even good DPMS's....
But bet my life on it... I want a Colt Bushy or Smith...
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/18/10 12:52 AM
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I have sold and handled nearly all of them... Aint rich by no means,but could carry whatever we want, and after thousands of thousands of rounds, in nearly every make known, here's my 2 cents worth....
My family and closest friends that I trust, are carrying COLT's, Bushmaster's, and Smith and Wesson.
Of those 10-12 guns I know of and care for, there are no failures. My personal gun, is a Bushmaster, dead nuts accurate, durable, and reliable as any.... My wife and son have Colts, others have Smiths and Colts, ...
The guns I see that have the most trouble.... are the parts guns from Joe's Garage or whereever... (no offense Joe)... they have FTF/reliability issues, safety issues, accuracy issues, and poor resale value.
Can there be good parts guns? Sure, maybe.
Can you get a bad Colt? Uh, never saw one but maybe. Which maybe do you want to work from, good parts guns or bad Colt/Bushmaster/Smith?
Seen other good ones, not knocking anyones Double Star, Daly, Daniel, even good DPMS's....
But bet my life on it... I want a Colt Bushy or Smith... I run a Stag is it that bad that it doesnt even make the list for a bad AR
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/18/10 12:55 AM
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No, never meant that, there can be good and bad ones of everything... Stag built the early SMith's...
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/18/10 01:00 AM
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I know what you what you were sayin. Just trying to get my post count up.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/18/10 03:48 AM
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Just my two cents worth since I have seen my name in here a few time. Most AR's are built with milspec parts and to milspec tolerances so they are fairly evenly matched. I have been doing this for a long time and have my favorites. Brandon mentioned Noveske in an earlier post and I agree with him, Noveske is right at the top of the list. So is Larue. These are both expensive mfg's but premier quality.
I build a lot of AR's, some budget guns and a lot of high end custom builds. Not gonna toot my own horn, ask people on here and you can find out what my guns are capable of.
As for the other manufacturers listed in this post, most of them use components Purchased from the same place I get mine. Receivers are receivers your accuracy comes from barrels and internals in my opinion. That's where I make my advancements. I will say this, if you are looking for a quality rifle at an inexpensive price, my basic 16" patrol rifle starts at $735.00. Hard to beat that right now. If you look hard enough you WILL find cheaper rifles, but I am sure most will agree, you get what you pay for. Big name manufacturers mass produce these guns and can sometimes sacrifice quality for cost savings. Hope some of this helps and I am always happy to answer questions. These are just my opinions and I am by far not being boastful about my products.
Chuck Ross
"Saepius Exertus, Semper Fidelis, Frater Infinitas" � "Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever" � United States Marines
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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Oh and just for clarification Continental Machine and Tool makes receivers for the following manufacturers: Stag, Rock River, Noveske, Colt, Smith and Wesson, Wilson and yes Ross Precision Gunworks.
Chuck Ross
"Saepius Exertus, Semper Fidelis, Frater Infinitas" � "Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever" � United States Marines
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/18/10 04:22 AM
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Not trying to rain on your advertisment but just because parts come from the same house doesnt mean they are built to the same specs and tollerences. Not at all saying yours are either or but a lot af folks think that because teh same manufactuer builds parts for different companies they are all the same. This is not the case.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/18/10 12:52 PM
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Well MILSPEC is MILSPEC. And as far as CMT goes, the receivers being cut are all cut to the same specs. The only difference is the roll stamp marking. They are all machined from the same forgings. Not being controversial just want to put out accurate information.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/18/10 01:36 PM
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Just my two cents worth since I have seen my name in here a few time. Most AR's are built with milspec parts and to milspec tolerances so they are fairly evenly matched. I have been doing this for a long time and have my favorites. Brandon mentioned Noveske in an earlier post and I agree with him, Noveske is right at the top of the list. So is Larue. These are both expensive mfg's but premier quality.
I build a lot of AR's, some budget guns and a lot of high end custom builds. Not gonna toot my own horn, ask people on here and you can find out what my guns are capable of.
As for the other manufacturers listed in this post, most of them use components Purchased from the same place I get mine. Receivers are receivers your accuracy comes from barrels and internals in my opinion. That's where I make my advancements. I will say this, if you are looking for a quality rifle at an inexpensive price, my basic 16" patrol rifle starts at $735.00. Hard to beat that right now. If you look hard enough you WILL find cheaper rifles, but I am sure most will agree, you get what you pay for. Big name manufacturers mass produce these guns and can sometimes sacrifice quality for cost savings. Hope some of this helps and I am always happy to answer questions. These are just my opinions and I am by far not being boastful about my products. What are the specs on your patrol rifle? Milspec diameter buffer tube? 1/7 twist, chrome lined bore? H buffer? HPT/MPI tested bolt? M16 Bolt carrier? HPT tested barrel? If so $735 would me a heck of a deal.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/18/10 02:11 PM
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The RPG-15 utilizes MILSPEC components for 100% interchangeability for future modifications to the rifle. Include: * All Mil. Spec. Internal Parts * Forged 7075-T6 Aluminum RPG Lower Receiver * Forged 7075-T6 Aluminum RPG Flat Top Upper Receiver * 16" Chrome-Moly Vanadium Steel Barrel, Heat Treated to RC 25-32 * Chambered in 5.56 N.A.T.O., with a 1:9" Twist (1:7" twist and/or chrome lined chamber and bore available via upgrade) * Standard Handguards * 158 Carpenter Steel Chrome lined Bolt Carrier Assembly with MPI tested bolt (NOT M16 BCG, but is available on upgraded models) * Forward Assist * Forearm Mounted Front Sight * Adjustable 6 position Carbine Stock (Milspec Buffer Tube with standard buffer)
Chuck Ross
"Saepius Exertus, Semper Fidelis, Frater Infinitas" � "Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever" � United States Marines
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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Again I am not bagging on any manufacturers. This is a tough business and you have to choose your battles. Some people are just willing to build a quality prouduct and not ask for unreasonable profit margins. That is how I opperate.
Chuck Ross
"Saepius Exertus, Semper Fidelis, Frater Infinitas" � "Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever" � United States Marines
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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I spent some time in combat with M-16 A2 models (with the 82nd ABN in 3 combat operations) and I also have extensive experience with the personal use of standard model AR15`s and now M4 rifles.
I have personally owned 2 different model Bushmasters and I have to say I agree totally with Sig226fan on his statement of owning a Bushmaster. Both models of Bushy`s that I have owned (1 used and 1 new) are of excellent quality in fit and finish and have been absolute tack drivers in the field and on the range. Both rifles average right at 0.5 MOA all the way out to 400 yards using premuim factory ammo or my handloads. Utterly reliable and great rifles. Its the only brand I will buy for my personal use of AR`s and M4 needs. I stay with what works for me. IMHO.
The only thing I might change is the trigger on my current Bushy ORC rifle. Not sure if I even want to do that since the rifle is shooting like a champ already. Other than that good to go! Just my two cents.
Charlie Co. 4th Bn/325 AIR 82nd Airborne FTL-Scout/Sniper Combat Ops: Just Cause, Desert Shield/Storm Anywhere in the world in 18 hrs or less.
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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08/18/10 07:29 PM
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Well MILSPEC is MILSPEC. And as far as CMT goes, the receivers being cut are all cut to the same specs. The only difference is the roll stamp marking. They are all machined from the same forgings. Not being controversial just want to put out accurate information. Amen...
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Re: ar-15 purchase
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So at what point does the Name Brand of the rifle make or break the gun as high or low quality.
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