Great ideas Tye.

While we are spending time and money to regulate the flaws in this.

We could also take take the DNA from the Spike (2nd buck) and compare it to some of the mature buck in the area. To see if it would have been a booner, and apply fine per inch x years to maturity, x number of doe it didn't get to breed. Plus the regular restitution already in place.

Then we could check the fetus of the does, that are shot. If it has a male offspring, we could pull the DNA from that as well and fine according to it's trophy potential.

Then we could age the doe by cutting it's teeth and counting the rings, and see if she was part of the age problem with the herd or was it just the boys.

Then we could decide if she was happy with her mate's antlers. It not we could give a bonus to the hunter that shot the mate. If she was we could fine the hunter that shot her mate, based on the child support laws in that county. Then we could apply the allotment of Social Securtiy for a widow to feed, food plots and Habitat restoration for the property owner.

Ya know we might get by in for this reg yet.

At least he was nice about that. I have only had a run in with one game warden down near Bangs, Texas. I was dove hunting and shot my limit early on opening morning. The ranch rules were you had to pick up all spent hulls go the cows wouldn't eat them. I did that as the hunt was going on and was putting the hulls in my vest with my birds. I stopped half way though the hunt and counted my birds. I needed 4 more to finish my limit. I shot 4 more, unloaded the gun and went to the truck. My friend said that the game warden would be visiting like he did every year. When we got back to the barn, he was there. He checked all our shot guns for plugs and asked to see our birds. As I was laying the birds out I got to 15(which was the limit). I double checked the vest shifting through the hulls and I felt tail feathers sticking out of the small corner of the vest under the hulls. I pulled the bird out and put it with the other 15. When he got to me, he counted 16, picked the biggest bird, and threw it in the back of his truck. Honest mistake but I was guilty. I think it cost around $300 in fines. Leroy Pulnick was his name and he was doing his job. He was a strict GW...people in town said he would even write his mom a ticket..I learned a lesson and moved on. I'll never forget it.

Two fathers and their sons were in their camper on the other side of the barn. They had put all their birds together when they were cleaning them. Leroy was not happy about that and they just got a warning. I think he used me as an example so the kids wouldn't see their dads getting a ticket.

Glad you are thinking clearly this morning PH. Sounds like a great idea. Propose that when you take over the TPWD. Could also add that you needed to have a "live" photo of the deer and have them Ok'ed by the GW before pulling the trigger. That way you would be happy with something "live"


forgot Poor me

See we are getting somewhere.

Washington should follow our example of "by-partisanship".

Someone musta put something in the coffee this morning.

Gotta make a trip to the pot, (coffe)

You must be an Obama supporter because I'm Republican.

You must work for TPWD cuz that is another fault in logic. (and fact)

You sure?? Seems like the GOPers were for less gov't in our lives, not the welfare for (hunters) programs.

Waaaay of track, here.

Ok you caught me, I do work for the TPWD and I am the one that sets the laws so I can listen to the minority of hunters complain about not being able to shoot baby 1.5 year old bucks. Which is soooooo challenging.

Dabnabit I leave for 20 hours and miss all of this...

Thats ok Sig, there will be many more hours that you can make it up.

But its my busiest season... may have to cut back on work and spend more time here keeping you guys lined out

In my opinion the "government" or TPW should only worry about population. It is not there place to decide if one shoots a deer at what age or horn spread. If there are enough deer to fulfil the needs and requirements of us hunters that is all they should concern themselves with. When did they get into the business of managing for size?

I hunt in an AR county, yes it has improved the size of the horn. Course the horns still taste the same. But I don't think that is there place. I mostly think it is a revenue option too. If you purchase a liscense to hunt deer the size of the horn should not be part of the package. Gender? Yes. Time? Yes. Amount? Yes. Horn size? NO!!!! That is stupid.

There are enough places in this state that if you want to hunt for horns you can knock yourself out doing so. So what if someone wants to shoot a 1.5 old deer, if there are plenty of 1.5 year old deer let him. Hey, I personally like veal. So what, you don't. Don't eat it. Don't shoot that 1.5 year old deer.

Government is way to far in our business as it is. This is just one more step we don't need.

What your saying has no part in this discussion. The point is he broke the law and admitted it and is paying for it. The point isn't whether or not you think AR's are good/bad, thats your opinion, but it doesn't give anyone the right to break the law.

Civil Disobedience is a cool phrase......

So what you are saying is you would have had the deer quartered and on ice w/o anyone ever knowing about it.

I had the hammer cocked on my T/C on what I thought was a Big 8 point. He turned his head and had a three inch stub on the other with a few micro kickers. Didn't meet the 13" requirement, so I let him go. The landowner wanted him taken out last year, but never got a chance. Now the AR kicked in and the funky 6 point will live a long stress free life.

I bet he woulda been yummy too.

And breed and breed and breed and breed... and his offspring will breed and breed and breed... but at least the age structure is better.....maybe, they think,

I know this sounds stupid, but I am knew to the hunting forum, but what does AR mean, I don't understand

Sorry to hear your story. I want to say thank you for being such a standup person and accepting responsibility for your actions. I believe the judge should have cut you more slack. I do not know what their authority is when it come to the restitution part. Good luck in the future.

Antler Restrictions.... the state's attempt to regulate the size of the deer being killed and the age of the surviving deer

Or ARs could also mean Antler Revenues.

Yeah, but he's new and might not understand that we are such a devout group of followers of AR's...

PLus, who knows, I might be about to change my mind about AR's