The civil restitution is what gets you. I cant wait to see how big of a buck they will put out on the lease to replace the one I shot.LOL

and they say it's not about the antlers, yet the civil restitution is based on B&C.

Hate that it happened and thanks for sharing.

Shelling out that much $$ for antlers being too narrow? Sounds to me like it WAS all about the antlers (the antler law)!
That little opinion from me was for you HawgNutz!

process your own deer, figure out how much meat you want to hold back for sausage, de-bone and freeze. When meat in frozen, take the frozen meat to the processor and tell them I would like to have sausage links and summer sausage made from this "frozen boneless meat". They don't need tags and they don't care what it is.

I just brought home 40 lbs of German Sausage yesterday that was made from "frozen meat".

Looks like he got charged $100 an inch!!

Isn't that the same thing most ranches charge in S Tx, $100 an inch!!!

They use this (somehow) to come up value.
Probably take the square root times pi in the somewhere.
Just one of those tidbits I saved...and thought I'd post.


TPWD Deer Restitution

Texas Administrative Code


TITLE 31 NATURAL RESOURCES AND CONSERVATION
PART 2 TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT
CHAPTER 69 RESOURCE PROTECTION
SUBCHAPTER B FISH AND WILDLIFE VALUES
RULE §69.30 Trophy Wildlife Species

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(a) The recovery value for individual white-tailed or mule deer, pronghorn antelope, and bighorn sheep shall be derived from the gross Boone and Crockett score of the horns or antlers plus the value derived for wildlife species in §69.22 of this title (relating to Wildlife--Recovery Values), using the following formulae:

(1) White-tailed deer--The formula for white-tailed deer shall be applied to all individuals whose gross score exceeds 100 Boone and Crockett inches. The formula shall be: Recovery Value = ((gross score - 100) 2 x $1.65) plus the value derived in §69.22 of this title.

(2) Mule deer--The formula for mule deer shall be applied to all individuals whose gross score exceeds 110 Boone and Crockett inches. The formula shall be: Recovery Value = ((gross score - 110) 2 x $1.00) plus the value derived in §69.22 of this title.

(3) Pronghorn antelope--The formula for pronghorn antelope shall be applied to all individuals whose gross score exceeds 40 Boone and Crockett inches. The formula shall be: Recovery Value = ((gross score - 40)2 x $2.00) plus the value derived in §69.22 of this title.

(4) Bighorn sheep--The formula for bighorn sheep shall be applied to all individuals whose gross score exceeds 100 Boone and Crockett inches. The formula shall be: Recovery Value = ((gross score - 100) 2 x $11.70) plus the value derived in §69.22 of this title.

[b](b) The measurement procedure for obtaining the Boone and Crockett gross score shall follow: Nesbitt, W.H. and P.L. Wright. 1985. Measuring and Scoring North American Big Game Trophies. Boone and Crockett Club. 176 pp.

Here's the 69.22 section that you add to the values



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TITLE 31 NATURAL RESOURCES AND CONSERVATION
PART 2 TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT
CHAPTER 69 RESOURCE PROTECTION
SUBCHAPTER B FISH AND WILDLIFE VALUES
RULE §69.22 Wildlife--Recovery Values
[b](a) Each species of bird, reptile, amphibian, or animal shall be assigned a score of 0-3 for each of eight scoring criteria. The sum of the scores for the eight criteria (subsection (b) of this section) shall be multiplied by a weighting factor (subsection (c) of this section), and the resulting adjusted criteria score is compared to the monetary scale (subsection (d) of this section) to obtain a monetary value.

(b) For scoring criteria listed in paragraphs (1)-(8) of this subsection, a species which is not sought at all shall be scored as 0, while a highly sought species shall be scored 3.

(1) Recreation. The extent to which a species is actively sought by users with wildlife interests. Scoring considers both harvest and nonharvest use of a species.

(2) Aesthetic. The social value of wildlife species. These values represent wildlife species' beauty or unique natural history. Aesthetic values for these species exist whether or not a person ever would encounter one in its natural habitat.

(3) Educational. The educational value of a species arising from, for example, published materials and other audio-visual media about the species, displays in zoos, or the relative frequency with which the species is used to exemplify important curricula principles.

(4) Scarcity. The relative population of a species within the range of its habitat, from abundant to scarce.

(5) Environmental Tolerance. The ability of a species to tolerate normal changes in climate, topography, water regimes or other ecological factors which may limit range and population.

(6) Economics. The direct or indirect economic benefit attributable to the species as a result of recreational or legal transactions.

(7) Recruitment. Reproductive and survival potential of a species as it relates to the capability for replacement of its population following decrease or loss.

(8) Ecological role. A species' relationships with other life forms--and the species contribution to a healthful and stable balance of nature. Widely-consumed forage species score high, as do predators which control prey species populations. Forage species that are not widely consumed score low, as do predators which contribute little to regulation of prey populations.

(c) The individual scores for the criteria are summed to derive a total criteria score. The total criteria score is multiplied by a weighting factor which adjusts the summed criteria score for variance in public demand and/or perception of value for a species. The weighting factor relates the overall demand for a species to its existing supply and to future opportunity for public use. The weighting factors are:

(1) 1.0--Abundant. No additional public demand or perception of value exists beyond that reflected by the eight criteria in subsection (b) of this section;

(2) 1.1--Frequent. Minor disparity exists between resource availability and public interest and the public demand fluctuates periodically around an equilibrium point;

(3) 1.3--Rare. Substantial disparity exists between available supply and identified public interest in species that are subject to ongoing management programs;

(4) 1.5--Scarce. The species populations are never expected to meet identified demands or needs, or management programs for a limited species are not fully developed with respect to planned recreational opportunity and economic contribution.

(d) The total criteria score multiplied by the weighting factor in subsections (a)-(c) of this section, provides an adjusted criteria score and corresponding recovery value for each species.

Adjusted Criteria

Score Range


Monetary Value

1 - 5.9 = $5.00
6 - 8.9 = $13.50
9 - 10.9 = $26.00
11 - 12.9 = $59.50
13 - 14.9 = $105.50
15 - 16.9 = $273.50
17 - 18.9 = $881.50
19 - 20.9 = $1,929.50
21 - 23.9 = $4,780.50
24 - 36.9 = $11,907.50

If you can afford a meat grinder then you can make sausage. I look forward to sausage weekend every year. (insert sausage fest joke here.) this year we made 350 lbs of smoked link sausage. 200 lbs of wild pork boudin. And 250 lbs of smoked summer sausage. And it tastes better too! We use a 60-40 mix of deer to hog. The only meat we buy is a few lbs of pork fat b&c the wild ones don't have enough fat. Then all you have to buy is casings( cheap) and seasonings( cheap) and beer( cheap if you like milwaukees best like me!). We made all that food for about 100 bucks. I can't begin to imagine how much all that would cost at a processor. Just gett all if your hunting buddies together and consolidate meat.

Wow. I just read the fine formula and It lost me. What if your deer scores less than 100? A deer with a inside spread of less than 13 most likely will....

Thanks buddy!!!

My pleasure!

like this one???? 170'' and some change. 12 inch spread lol. i know this isnt the normal thing.

my buddy shot a 16 pointer in 2008 that scored 166 and was 12 1/2" wide with 7" bases and as you can imagine super heavy. what would the ar do to him now, if that was this past season. would he be in trouble? oh and the deer was 5.5 yrs old.

I keep hearing about these narrow deer that are 7.5 yeares old...

what about the THOUSANDS of bucks under 13 inches that score about 58 B&C and field dress 45 lbs? that is the type of deer they are trying to let walk for another year.... they're talking about 98% of the deer population, not the occasional freak that is by far the exception to the rule.

no way that deer was mature!!! he is under 13"'s!!!!!

like this 6.5 yr old deer here

i totally understand that freakish exception and i agree with the 98% small deer deal, we should let them walk. im just ?ing what would happen if i killed a mature b&c that was 12 inches, is that buck leagal? i havent really looked that much into it cause i let young deer walk. but if i saw a 150- 160 class 12"er that'd be tough to let go cause i know he'd be mature

The AR scares the SH!T out of me! I shot a 13 point 5.5 year old buck in Edwards county 10 years ago that was only 12.75" inside spread and that sucker would now cost me a fortune! I agree with the rest of the posters on here. Find a butcher that is willing to teach you the proper way to field dress and butcher a deer. Then if by accident you shoot a buck that doesn't meet the AR you can take it home and not worry about the fine. My best friend is the master butcher for the HEB food chain and taught me years ago how to clean, skin and butcher a deer. With the proper knives and a clean dry table you can butcher and wrap a 190lb deer in less than 2 hours. Be sure to field dress ASAP, rinse out the body cavity if possible and then hang your deer in a cool dry place for 24 hours. Do not FREEZE your deer and then thaw it out to butcher it. you will NEVER be able to cut the meat properly if you freeze it first!

Or just pay attention and follow the law... Pretty simple.

Actually it was all about breaking the law. And it was less than 10" wide. Give me a break.

Whay are you so rough? I said (antler law). Give me a break.

Antler restrictions or antler revenues?

If he had written the other county name on the log he would have been legal....''

Maybe he should have a lawyer appeal and agree to "improperly logged deer" and nothing else....

Yes, by all means, we should encourage hunters to openly break the law and circumvent hunting regulations!

I guess we should also encourage this for poachers so they don't get caught either?? If you know how to properly butcher a deer, you can get away without tagging it as well. That way you can shoot as many deer as you want!



Unbelievable.

Didn't read all the legal mumbo jumbo, but can someone explain if the fine is worse for a fork horn or a young eight point that did not make the 13" rule. I was led to believe that the fine is heavier for smaller deer because it is much more obvious the deer is not legal and the law was blatantly broken but it sounds like the ones that are just barely short of 13 inches and have more points are the most expensive.

Nope, he would just be breaking another law.

So now I'm confused. Was the buck killed in an AR county and tagged for that county, or was it killed in a non-AR county and mistakenly tagged for the wrong county?