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Cutting back on bacon this season..
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Last season I ate so much bacon wrapped duck I got sick of it, this season will be more lean… I cooked this last night, cut breast in cubes, marinated about 5 hrs in worcestershire/teriyaki/soy sauce and some seasoning and olive oil… Put it on a skewer. I like to separate the tenders as well and put them on one skewer (the top one), I give that one to my wife.. Throw on the grill, it came out good. Next time I will based it with some type olive oil/seasoning mix, maybe some butter in there.
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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needs bacon
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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mmm mmm mmm, looks good. cant go wrong with kabobs. good with mushroom onion and peppers too.
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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needs bacon Didn't you read my post! I'm cutting back on bacon!!! Well I guess one slice wouldn't hurt.
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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HAHAHA!
You can cut back on bacon without excluding it all together.
That is a great idea, the small cubes should make marinating and cooking alot easier. Not too mention, it is much easier to prepare than wraps.
Maybe alternate jalapeno, onion, and BACON between the cubes.
Where did you get the skewers?
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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yum. gonna have to try all that. is that cheese shredded on them?
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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if you will brine your duck meat in a salt/vinegar/water solution for a few hours and then rinse before marinating, then coat with oil, and keep the flame low when you cook them, you won't really need the bacon. the secret to cooking dark meat fowl is to not over-cook it or scorch it. that's what the bacon is used for: insurance against bad temp control and bad timing. (i use it myself most of the time) the goal is to cook duck, goose, and similar meats (like lamb) until it has a hot pink center. with delicate meats like duck and goose, this has to be done at low heat to avoid burning the outside before the center is cooked or over-cooking the whole thing. the smaller the pieces, the lower the heat needs to be to get it right. fyi, "hot pink center" does not mean bloody, cold, or anything like that. it means still a little pink, but cooked.
oh...and while we're at it...elevate your goose on a rack inside the roasting pan or using toothpicks to keep it from resting in its own grease as it cooks. HUGE difference in taste!
these tips come from my wife, who was all the rage at some very high-end wingshooting clubs for several years and whose mother is a well-know european chef.
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p.s. she recommends using sesame oil, peanut oil, or extra virgin olive oil.
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Yall are just wrong for this. My mouth is wattering now. Come on Sat. LOL
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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if you will brine your duck meat in a salt/vinegar/water solution for a few hours and then rinse before marinating, then coat with oil, and keep the flame low when you cook them, you won't really need the bacon. the secret to cooking dark meat fowl is to not over-cook it or scorch it. that's what the bacon is used for: insurance against bad temp control and bad timing. (i use it myself most of the time) the goal is to cook duck, goose, and similar meats (like lamb) until it has a hot pink center. with delicate meats like duck and goose, this has to be done at low heat to avoid burning the outside before the center is cooked or over-cooking the whole thing. the smaller the pieces, the lower the heat needs to be to get it right. fyi, "hot pink center" does not mean bloody, cold, or anything like that. it means still a little pink, but cooked.
oh...and while we're at it...elevate your goose on a rack inside the roasting pan or using toothpicks to keep it from resting in its own grease as it cooks. HUGE difference in taste!
these tips come from my wife, who was all the rage at some very high-end wingshooting clubs for several years and whose mother is a well-know european chef. Good tip! I brine all my fowl.
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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I always brine my waterfowl in salt water, namely to bleed the blood out, but it also helps the meat retain its moisture, here is an article how that works.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BriningBut I have never used vinegar, what does that do for ya? And I never thought too much about low heat, I probably lean more on the high heat side to sear the meat to help seal the juices, but I may try low heat next time and see how that turns out. One of those kabobs tho, I put in the oven on “warm” that night and forgot about it , next morning wife says “you know you left this on all night?”. I looked at it, still warm, and it looked like jerky, and dang it tasted like jerky as well, it was good, me and my kids were fighting over it. Marcstar has done jerky, but that got me in the mood to do duck jerky this season.
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I brine my quartered venison and wild hog with Iced Salt Water and Vinegar. I have done same with small game meat, but usually use something like Italian salad dressing with duck and wild turkey. Even then it is the Vinegar that is the main ingedient though that is coming into play. The Vinegar is an acid or tenderizer. I would recommend to use white vinegar, not apple cider vinegar. I have not liked the results with the later. And something like duck breasts in a bowl, you would only want to add just a dash. You can over do it and make your meat taste like vinegar.
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You can do the same thing with wine. It is a little acidic as well. Don't leave your meat in anything acidic for too long.
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I brine my quartered venison and wild hog with Iced Salt Water and Vinegar. I have done same with small game meat, but usually use something like Italian salad dressing with duck and wild turkey. Even then it is the Vinegar that is the main ingedient though that is coming into play. The Vinegar is an acid or tenderizer. I would recommend to use white vinegar, not apple cider vinegar. I have not liked the results with the later. And something like duck breasts in a bowl, you would only want to add just a dash. You can over do it and make your meat taste like vinegar. I've never done that before, but plan on giving it a try
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You can do the same thing with wine. It is a little acidic as well. Don't leave your meat in anything acidic for too long. The wild boar, we actually leave them in a cooler with the salt vinegar Ice water mix for two days, sometimes three. But we do dump out and redo the brine two or three times during that period. Duck, is an overnight thing in the ice box.
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Guy sealing in the juices works good if you're gonna sear something big like a roast, I think with something that is only 1/2 an inch or 1 inch think you're probably going to overcook it if you have it on high more than 30 seconds a side or so. I don't know I've tried both ways.
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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10/26/09 11:09 PM
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if you will brine your duck meat in a salt/vinegar/water solution What kind of ratio are we talking here?
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What kind of ratio are we talking here? As far as salt goes, I just go by eye. If your meat comes out tasting salty, then you used too much, and you know next time. I have only done that once.
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You can do the same thing with wine. It is a little acidic as well. Don't leave your meat in anything acidic for too long. Yeah I will brine in salt water all night, but wine, which I do alot, just a few hours. I will brine in salt water all night or sometimes 24 hours or longer. Then marinade in red wine (along with other marinade seasonings) 3 to 5 hrs. I marinade with red wine over night once, and that was dreadful.
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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Where did you get the skewers? Bamboo shoots, you can get them anywhere. Saw some at Tom Thumb today, $4 for packet of 100.
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. But I have never used vinegar, what does that do for ya? And I never thought too much about low heat, I probably lean more on the high heat side to sear the meat to help seal the juices, but I may try low heat next time and see how that turns out. Alright I have been holding off long enough. Something bugs me and always has. It is one of those myths that gets repeated all the time and nobody ever says BS. Well Here goes "BS". You can not sear a piece of meat and it keep the juice inside. You can sear a piece of meat and you can cook it leaving the juice inside but searing it is not the reason the the juice stays inside. AS if the quickly cooked outside builds an impenetrable dam and the juices can't get out. That is insane. You sear a piece of meat and the outside is super heated compared to the inside. Thus the juice does not have a chance to leak out. It will come out if left long cooking long enough. It just kills me to hear people say they sear it to seal in the juices, absolutely kills me. I know we have heard it all of our lives, but just stop and think about it. It is an absurd statement.
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Re: Cutting back on bacon this season..
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You are right Wayne, searing meat to seal juices is a myth. I learn something today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searing
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