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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/28/25 08:13 PM
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We are Texas, and that’s all that needs to be said. Any place that’s not Texas wants to be Texas or at least seen in the same light.
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/28/25 08:32 PM
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My wife and I argue about this all the time. She is a texan. I lived in two states in the deep south. She says Texas is part of the south. I say Texas is in the Southwest, with the true deep south ending with Louisiana (westerly). Also agree Texas is its own thing.
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/28/25 08:32 PM
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That's a pretty accurate map, one of the best I've seen My personal feelings; even though East Texas Terrain shares much more in common with Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, etc. than it does the rest of the state, I don't believe it occupies enough land mass inside the States borders to tie itself into the South. 2/3rds of the state is semi-arid or arid and that certainly has nothing in common with traditional Southern States, the fact that we have a desert period is something that sets us apart from those states. We Do share a coast line, which is something that some Southern States have, but certainly not all. I have lively discussions in my business dealings with people claiming that Texas is a southern state, which in my professional opinion, we are not. We have much more in common with states like New Mexico or Arizona than we do Alabama or Florida, excluding the coastline. Even the powers that be cannot agree on if Texas is a southwestern or southern state
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/28/25 08:41 PM
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Can we agree that Houston is the arm pit of Texas? If by Houston you mean the Ship Channel/Pasedena area, then yes, definitely
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/28/25 09:22 PM
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There is a reason it is called the Lone Star State 
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/28/25 09:33 PM
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Well there is the continental divide over to the west in New Mexico so how can it be southwest? It is South…
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/28/25 09:38 PM
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Well there is the continental divide over to the west in New Mexico so how can it be southwest? It is South… Half of Colorado and New Mexico are east of the continental divide
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/28/25 09:39 PM
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Can we agree that Houston is the arm pit of Texas? If by Houston you mean the Ship Channel/Pasedena area, then yes, definitely Depends on your point of view. From an economical standpoint, the ship channel is responsible for billions upon billions of $$$$ in revenue every year. The business down there is astounding. My nomination for armpit of TX is Pecos. Tell you wife you're moving there and see what happens.
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/28/25 09:42 PM
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Can we agree that Houston is the arm pit of Texas? If by Houston you mean the Ship Channel/Pasedena area, then yes, definitely Depends on your point of view. From an economical standpoint, the ship channel is responsible for billions upon billions of $$$$ in revenue every year. The business down there is astounding. My nomination for armpit of TX is Pecos. Tell you wife you're moving there and see what happens. Pecos has its "charms" but, humidity is not one of them.
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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There is a reason it is called the Lone Star State ALONE Star State 
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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Well, John Bell Hood and Hood’s Texans might have thought This was the south, though you can argue that they were just supporting the CSA
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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We do have the Davis Mountains
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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Tensions were high when the Civil War began, and Texans responded in impressive numbers. By the end of 1861, more than 25,000 had joined the Confederate army. During the course of the war, nearly 90,000 Texans served in the military. The National Park Service estimates that by war's end more than 20,000 Hispanics fought in the Civil War nationwide: some for the Union and some for the Confederacy. Thousands more civilians lent hearts and hands on the home front. They distinguished themselves in every major campaign of the war from New Mexico to Pennsylvania. Texas forces figured prominently at celebrated battle sites such as Gettysburg, Antietam, Second Manassas, Wilson's Creek, The Wilderness, Vicksburg, Corinth, Shiloh, Chickamauga, Glorieta Pass, Pea Ridge, Gaine's Mill, Franklin, and Mansfield. Leaders of the Texas forces included legendary figures John Bell Hood, Albert Sidney Johnston, John Bankhead Magruder, Patrick Cleburne, and Ben McCulloch.
In Texas, Confederate and state forces repulsed Union invaders at Brownsville, Sabine Pass, Galveston, Corpus Christi, and Laredo, and sustained naval bombardments in several coastal areas. They fought frontier and border raiders, evaded federal blockades, protected internal trade routes and operated prisoner of war camps.
The Civil War came to an end in Texas. Soldiers fought the last land battle at Palmito Ranch near Brownsville more than a month after Gen. Robert E. Lee surrendered to Gen. Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox Court House in Virginia. The surrender of the Trans-Mississippi Department of the Confederacy at Galveston on June 2, 1865 was, as Capt. Benjamin Franklin Sands of the United States Navy noted, “the closing act of the Great Rebellion.” Just a few weeks later on June 19, Gen. Gordon Granger, commander of U.S. troops in Texas, arrived in Galveston and ended slavery in Texas by issuing an order that the Emancipation Proclamation was in effect in Texas later to become known as Juneteenth. https://thc.texas.gov/learn/military-history/texas-civil-war Definitely South.
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/28/25 10:46 PM
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east of 45 is south West of 45 is south west
So both
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/29/25 01:26 AM
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/29/25 01:40 AM
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Texas is just.TEXAS! The south ends at Louisiana and the southwest starts at New Mexico….Texas is what separates the two!  Been that way since before we were even a Republic…
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/29/25 09:34 AM
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I haven't changed my mind since the last time this came up.
Pass the gravy.
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/29/25 10:15 AM
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Texas is just.TEXAS! The south ends at Louisiana and the southwest starts at New Mexico….Texas is what separates the two!  Been that way since before we were even a Republic… ^^^^^ Correct. And succinctly put. Thank You! 
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/29/25 11:02 AM
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In a Career Choice class in a middle school, a student was explaining he wanted to go to school in Louisiana. The teacher exploded and said don't you remember the map from class last week? There is Texas and not Texas! Do you get it? There was about 3-5 seconds of silence and then the room erupted in laughter - a good notion - Texas and not Texas.
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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03/29/25 11:16 AM
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Texas is pretty diverse culturally and very large. East, TX is more culturally like the South. However, other than far East TX is not like the other Southern states culturally. The climate is different and the terrain, vegetation is different.
TX really does seem to stand alone when it comes to trying to group it into a major geographic region. California and Florida are also similar in that way.
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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Texas is just.TEXAS! The south ends at Louisiana and the southwest starts at New Mexico….Texas is what separates the two!  Been that way since before we were even a Republic… I agree with this ^ ^ ^ . Big and diverse and no place on earth like Texas. Prevailing attitudes regarding yankees confirm we are southern. Go further west and that divide is not part of the culture. Texas is it’s own region of the south!
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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Interesting, that was probably 12-13 years ago when I saw the Eden claim. They weren’t even close! They probably made this claim by finding the points further north, south, east and west, and then finding the center of those. This puts you a few miles west of Eden. If you did this with Florida you would be in the Gulf. Geographic center is a different place.
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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I would honestly have to agree with it’s just Texas, we stand alone.
And we literally could if needed
Were really not lumped in with the south or southwest in my opinion.
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Re: Let's argue about Geography...
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Interesting, that was probably 12-13 years ago when I saw the Eden claim. They weren’t even close! They probably made this claim by finding the points further north, south, east and west, and then finding the center of those. This puts you a few miles west of Eden. If you did this with Florida you would be in the Gulf. Geographic center is a different place. That makes sense. Thanks
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