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Let's argue about Geography... #9204091 03/28/25 04:11 PM
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is Texas a part of the South or Part of the South-West.



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We are Texas. 'Texas' is enough said.

I used to travel more internationally, but everywhere I went, people would ask me where I was from. I always said 'Texas'.

The funny part is when you talk to them more, they always say the same thing. Everyone from Texas says Texas. Everyone from the rest of the US says the United States.

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Another "its slow in here" thread. Which is fine by me.


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Mid-South of the United States

But I agree Texas is on its own......................for now. bang


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You hear people talk about this or that on the west side, or this or that on the east side of the Mississippi river. I say we’re part of the southwest. Yes it’s Texas, and yes we are our own country of sorts.

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Both! Texas is huge. Heck, you could even consider it part of the Great plains. And I agree, if I leave the country, I tell people I'm from Texas. cowboy texas

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Texas is a country unto itself.

East Texas shares an ecosystem with Louisiana, which is part of "The South".

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The same holds true with the western border, sharing an ecosystem with New Mexico, which is part of the "South West".

The Rockies extend into the Trans Pecos Region. Which are part of Colorado, which is part of "The West". Eastern Colorado has the high plains, the same as Texas does.

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Texas is definitely southern until you get north of the Brazos River.

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I’d say Southwest.


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FWIW: Brady in northern McCulloch County calls itself the official “Heart of Texas”


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Originally Posted by NORML as can be
FWIW: Brady in northern McCulloch County calls itself the official “Heart of Texas”

There is a monument marking the geographic center of Texas between Brady and Brownwood.



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Originally Posted by 68rustbucket
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FWIW: Brady in northern McCulloch County calls itself the official “Heart of Texas”

There is a monument marking the geographic center of Texas between Brady and Brownwood.

That’s in Eden I believe. I was researching a lease there many years ago and That’s what’s Eden is known for.


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Texas is bigger than Spain, France and Germany. West Texas could identify as SW. East could identify as South.

If you draw a line from Childress to Laredo, 90 percent live east of that line.

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Originally Posted by Jimbo1
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FWIW: Brady in northern McCulloch County calls itself the official “Heart of Texas”

There is a monument marking the geographic center of Texas between Brady and Brownwood.

That’s in Eden I believe. I was researching a lease there many years ago and That’s what’s Eden is known for.

About 20 miles NE of Brady I believe on 377. Eden is on 87.


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Originally Posted by brushcountryhunter
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FWIW: Brady in northern McCulloch County calls itself the official “Heart of Texas”

There is a monument marking the geographic center of Texas between Brady and Brownwood.

That’s in Eden I believe. I was researching a lease there many years ago and That’s what’s Eden is known for.

About 20 miles NE of Brady I believe on 377. Eden is on 87.

This is correct.



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Originally Posted by brushcountryhunter
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FWIW: Brady in northern McCulloch County calls itself the official “Heart of Texas”

There is a monument marking the geographic center of Texas between Brady and Brownwood.

That’s in Eden I believe. I was researching a lease there many years ago and That’s what’s Eden is known for.

About 20 miles NE of Brady I believe on 377. Eden is on 87.

Interesting, that was probably 12-13 years ago when I saw the Eden claim. They weren’t even close!


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Originally Posted by J.G.
Texas is a country unto itself.

East Texas shares an ecosystem with Louisiana, which is part of "The South".

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The same holds true with the western border, sharing an ecosystem with New Mexico, which is part of the "South West".

The Rockies extend into the Trans Pecos Region. Which are part of Colorado, which is part of "The West". Eastern Colorado has the high plains, the same as Texas does.

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I agree with this. What makes it more evident to me is if you travel to those different regions in Texas, you can tell by the way they talk, the food they are known for and the overall culture, generally speaking. It's very distinct in every region and I appreciate the beauty, culture and the people that each region has. Of course, everyone is partial to certain areas but that's what makes Texas so great. We could argue for days about what region is best but at the end of the day if I am in some far away place and there is a native Texan in the room, I already have a bond with someone. No other state has that kind of connection between its people that I have seen, and I have traveled this country quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by 68A
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Texas is a country unto itself.

East Texas shares an ecosystem with Louisiana, which is part of "The South".

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The same holds true with the western border, sharing an ecosystem with New Mexico, which is part of the "South West".

The Rockies extend into the Trans Pecos Region. Which are part of Colorado, which is part of "The West". Eastern Colorado has the high plains, the same as Texas does.

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I agree with this. What makes it more evident to me is if you travel to those different regions in Texas, you can tell by the way they talk, the food they are known for and the overall culture, generally speaking. It's very distinct in every region and I appreciate the beauty, culture and the people that each region has. Of course, everyone is partial to certain areas but that's what makes Texas so great. We could argue for days about what region is best but at the end of the day if I am in some far away place and there is a native Texan in the room, I already have a bond with someone. No other state has that kind of connection between its people that I have seen, and I have traveled this country quite a bit.

I agree with both these guys. Can somebody get em both a chicken dinner.......


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When someone asks, the answer is simple….

The Great State.

No other explanation or description seems neccessary.

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AI answer:

Texas is generally considered part of the South, specifically the West South Central region, though it also has strong cultural and geographical ties to the Southwest.

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Can we agree that Houston is the arm pit of Texas?

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We should be southwest. With the exception of far east Texas, our only real ties to the south were a lil' slavery and our involvement in the altercation with the Union.

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We are Texas, and that’s all that needs to be said. Any place that’s not Texas wants to be Texas or at least seen in the same light.


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My wife and I argue about this all the time. She is a texan. I lived in two states in the deep south. She says Texas is part of the south. I say Texas is in the Southwest, with the true deep south ending with Louisiana (westerly). Also agree Texas is its own thing.


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That's a pretty accurate map, one of the best I've seen

My personal feelings; even though East Texas Terrain shares much more in common with Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, etc. than it does the rest of the state, I don't believe it occupies enough land mass inside the States borders to tie itself into the South.

2/3rds of the state is semi-arid or arid and that certainly has nothing in common with traditional Southern States, the fact that we have a desert period is something that sets us apart from those states. We Do share a coast line, which is something that some Southern States have, but certainly not all.


I have lively discussions in my business dealings with people claiming that Texas is a southern state, which in my professional opinion, we are not. We have much more in common with states like New Mexico or Arizona than we do Alabama or Florida, excluding the coastline.


Even the powers that be cannot agree on if Texas is a southwestern or southern state


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Originally Posted by TurkeyHunter
Can we agree that Houston is the arm pit of Texas?


If by Houston you mean the Ship Channel/Pasedena area, then yes, definitely


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There is a reason it is called the Lone Star State texas


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Well there is the continental divide over to the west in New Mexico so how can it be southwest? It is South…

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Originally Posted by StaceyDude
Well there is the continental divide over to the west in New Mexico so how can it be southwest? It is South…



Half of Colorado and New Mexico are east of the continental divide


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
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Can we agree that Houston is the arm pit of Texas?


If by Houston you mean the Ship Channel/Pasedena area, then yes, definitely




Depends on your point of view. From an economical standpoint, the ship channel is responsible for billions upon billions of $$$$ in revenue every year. The business down there is astounding.

My nomination for armpit of TX is Pecos. Tell you wife you're moving there and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Jgraider
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Can we agree that Houston is the arm pit of Texas?


If by Houston you mean the Ship Channel/Pasedena area, then yes, definitely




Depends on your point of view. From an economical standpoint, the ship channel is responsible for billions upon billions of $$$$ in revenue every year. The business down there is astounding.

My nomination for armpit of TX is Pecos. Tell you wife you're moving there and see what happens.


Pecos has its "charms" but, humidity is not one of them.

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Originally Posted by Stub
There is a reason it is called the Lone Star State texas

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Well, John Bell Hood and Hood’s Texans might have thought This was the south, though you can argue that they were just supporting the CSA


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We do have the Davis Mountains

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Tensions were high when the Civil War began, and Texans responded in impressive numbers. By the end of 1861, more than 25,000 had joined the Confederate army. During the course of the war, nearly 90,000 Texans served in the military. The National Park Service estimates that by war's end more than 20,000 Hispanics fought in the Civil War nationwide: some for the Union and some for the Confederacy. Thousands more civilians lent hearts and hands on the home front. They distinguished themselves in every major campaign of the war from New Mexico to Pennsylvania. Texas forces figured prominently at celebrated battle sites such as Gettysburg, Antietam, Second Manassas, Wilson's Creek, The Wilderness, Vicksburg, Corinth, Shiloh, Chickamauga, Glorieta Pass, Pea Ridge, Gaine's Mill, Franklin, and Mansfield. Leaders of the Texas forces included legendary figures John Bell Hood, Albert Sidney Johnston, John Bankhead Magruder, Patrick Cleburne, and Ben McCulloch.

In Texas, Confederate and state forces repulsed Union invaders at Brownsville, Sabine Pass, Galveston, Corpus Christi, and Laredo, and sustained naval bombardments in several coastal areas. They fought frontier and border raiders, evaded federal blockades, protected internal trade routes and operated prisoner of war camps.

The Civil War came to an end in Texas. Soldiers fought the last land battle at Palmito Ranch near Brownsville more than a month after Gen. Robert E. Lee surrendered to Gen. Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox Court House in Virginia. The surrender of the Trans-Mississippi Department of the Confederacy at Galveston on June 2, 1865 was, as Capt. Benjamin Franklin Sands of the United States Navy noted, “the closing act of the Great Rebellion.” Just a few weeks later on June 19, Gen. Gordon Granger, commander of U.S. troops in Texas, arrived in Galveston and ended slavery in Texas by issuing an order that the Emancipation Proclamation was in effect in Texas later to become known as Juneteenth.


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Definitely South.

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east of 45 is south
West of 45 is south west

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Texas is just.TEXAS! The south ends at Louisiana and the southwest starts at New Mexico….Texas is what separates the two! texas

Been that way since before we were even a Republic…


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I haven't changed my mind since the last time this came up.


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Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Texas is just.TEXAS! The south ends at Louisiana and the southwest starts at New Mexico….Texas is what separates the two! texas

Been that way since before we were even a Republic…


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In a Career Choice class in a middle school, a student was explaining he wanted to go to school in Louisiana. The teacher exploded and said don't you remember the map from class last week? There is Texas and not Texas! Do you get it? There was about 3-5 seconds of silence and then the room erupted in laughter - a good notion - Texas and not Texas.

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Texas is pretty diverse culturally and very large. East, TX is more culturally like the South. However, other than far East TX is not like the other Southern states culturally. The climate is different and the terrain, vegetation is different.

TX really does seem to stand alone when it comes to trying to group it into a major geographic region. California and Florida are also similar in that way.

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Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Texas is just.TEXAS! The south ends at Louisiana and the southwest starts at New Mexico….Texas is what separates the two! texas

Been that way since before we were even a Republic…


I agree with this ^ ^ ^ . Big and diverse and no place on earth like Texas. Prevailing attitudes regarding yankees confirm we are southern. Go further west and that divide is not part of the culture. Texas is it’s own region of the south!


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Re: Let's argue about Geography... [Re: Jimbo1] #9204381 03/29/25 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1
Interesting, that was probably 12-13 years ago when I saw the Eden claim. They weren’t even close!

They probably made this claim by finding the points further north, south, east and west, and then finding the center of those. This puts you a few miles west of Eden. If you did this with Florida you would be in the Gulf. Geographic center is a different place.


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Re: Let's argue about Geography... [Re: txtrophy85] #9204395 03/29/25 01:21 PM
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I would honestly have to agree with it’s just Texas, we stand alone.

And we literally could if needed

Were really not lumped in with the south or southwest in my opinion.

Re: Let's argue about Geography... [Re: Simple Searcher] #9204400 03/29/25 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Simple Searcher
Originally Posted by Jimbo1
Interesting, that was probably 12-13 years ago when I saw the Eden claim. They weren’t even close!

They probably made this claim by finding the points further north, south, east and west, and then finding the center of those. This puts you a few miles west of Eden. If you did this with Florida you would be in the Gulf. Geographic center is a different place.

That makes sense. Thanks


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Re: Let's argue about Geography... [Re: txtrophy85] #9204401 03/29/25 01:41 PM
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Texas is Texas...

Re: Let's argue about Geography... [Re: txtrophy85] #9204419 03/29/25 02:29 PM
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I've lived in Cali, Washington, AZ, LA, OK, and most of my life in TX. All I can say is God Bless Texas!

Re: Let's argue about Geography... [Re: txtrophy85] #9204428 03/29/25 02:46 PM
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Thank God for the Compromise of 1850, or we could be called north too.


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Re: Let's argue about Geography... [Re: txtrophy85] #9204429 03/29/25 02:47 PM
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Re: Let's argue about Geography... [Re: txtrophy85] #9204511 03/29/25 08:11 PM
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I say east of 35 is in the South. West of that southwest.

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