Going to stay with a .224, so looking at 223ai, 22arc, 22-250ai, 22 creedmoor. Leaning mainly between the 223ai and creedmoor, big difference I know. The 223ai would allow me to run a short barrel with my can, but loose some mv. I think I might be able to stay shorter with the arc as well. I'm running it in 223 now, its a savage, so I can just swap the bolt face for which one I go with.

Looking to shoot 70-80gr pills, so any experience is appreciated. Please add what twist you would suggest, 7 or 8.



Thanks

I'd either stay .223 for convenience sake, or go to the 22 CM which gets you anything any of the others would without the brass hassle.

The only issue the 223 brings is overall case length, with the longer bullets, I may have issues with the mag. The creedmoor would require a 22" barrel, thats its only downfall

I currently shoot 77 TMK(stand1, Blk hills and AAC) via Tikka 223(1-8). no issues with yotes or deer.

If you want a short short gun no brainer, 22cm(either twist) in 16” is where I’d go.

With that said rumor mill is saying Federal may have some surprises at SHOT with 223, but it’s speculation

If mag-length is an issue, then you can dispense with the 22 CM or .22-250 as well as those are typical SA cartridge lengths, like the .243/.308/6.5CM.

You might look at the .22 Nosler or .224 Valkyrie as more powerful, short options to the .223.

Why would a 22 CM require a 22" barrel? Just load the correct powder for the barrel length of your choice.

My rifles:

24" 1:8 .223 A.I., 80 gr ELD-M 3080 fps MV. Feeds from a Ruger made A.I. style poly mag just fine. It is the lightest recoiling rifle I own. It is a trainer rifle. When the barrel is shot out, I will rebarrel it and keep going with .223 A.I. Lapua brass.

16" 1:8 .22 Creedmoor, 80.5 gr Berger Full Bore, 3080 fps MV. Feeds from an A.I. aluminum mag. It is the Thermal Rifle. So, it won't get shot at the volume the .223 A.I. will. The same story goes, it will get another barrel with the time comes, but it should me many more years than the .223 A.I.

The rule of thumb, that I've seen be correct more than not, for every inch of barrel cut off 20-25 fps.

I suppose for me, it would come down to general expected shooting distance. If it's not "too far," then 223/223ai. But if I wanted a bit more distance then 22 creedmoor for me.

As for twist, I'd for sure do 7 twist. I've not really been able to handload and get 75-77gr loads to shoot as well as 68-70gr loads. My absolute best load is a berger 70gr vld. I assume it is the twist as i have tried nice bullets in the higher weights.

I saw what an 18” 22CM via 80 eldm did to big ol buck this weekend, to answer your question it doesn’t need 22”, I’ve killed deer out to 250 with 77 TMK(223) with muzzle of 2750ft/s and 16” CM will have 2900-3000ft/s with same bullet

I'm running AICS mags, so they would be different mags than the 223 AICS mags. I just measured my mag and it's 2.560, so I think they will fit

I don't disagree and would do it in a heart beat, but that's the limit on my can

If you have 1-8 twist these will fit

https://stand1armory.com/product/stand-1-armory-223-77gr-tmk/

What can is it?

Its a griffin GP5, need another but don't want to dish out the money

Got a 9 twist

Looking to buck the WTX/NM wind. I may just have to go with the creedmoor, just cant figure out if the versatility of the short barrel overcomes the better performance

I have to admit, I've never been a huge fan of the 223. I know I'm a minority there but I just don't like it and we've never really gotten along. Now the 22 Gaymoor...it's what Hornady should have started the whole Gaymoor epidemic with...then I'd have a completely different opine and likely be a cheerleader for them (truthfully, it or the 6mm version)

I've got a 20" 1:8 variety of the 22 and it's pushing an 80.5 @ 3300 (suppressed). They won't all run up there, because it's hot...but this particular barrel does and shoots dots.

It's my current favorite rifle just because the recoil is very light in a sub 6.5lb rifle and I can see close shot reactions. Good luck!

Wolf hunter is a good budget 22-6mm and the AB A-10 is also a good and cheaper option, not as quiet at Wolf hunter but still quiet

Try the 69 TMK from Unknown muntions. (They work in 1-10 or faster)

https://www.unknownmunitions.com/product/223-remington-69-sierra-tmk/