This loooks terrible. Pilot looks to have been doing a good job, but they hit some wall or something very hard, causing an explosion. Worst possible outcome.

https://x.com/bnonews/status/1873174704720425440?s=46&t=dxAyRrvehO6uhdIaGTZQXA

Short runway..

No flaps or landing gear deployed. Major failure. The 2 flight attendants that survived should buy some lottery tickets.

He overshot it.

I would look for water. A Sully landing has to be a better option. Probably why I’m not a pilot.

Something very strange about this. Hope we find out someday.

I read there was a bird strike prior to landing attempt. Lost an engine. Watched a video that showed there is manual backup controls for landing gear but they may have lost hydraulics (flaps not down, gear not down and no reverse thrusters). Only way that happened is if they inadvertently shut down the wrong engine after bird strike. After one pass of runway, they pulled a teardrop maneuver and immediately dove in on the belly landing. Said it looks like they didn’t try to work through emergency procedures (APU, fuel dump, landing gear). Said the pilot may have panicked or maybe just forgot about the manual controls since they’re on the floor behind and beside copilots seat. Sad deal whatever happened.

Aviation expert said that this morning and the black box should be revealing. Very experienced Pilot.

Blancoliorios YouTube video was informative.

Apparently a bird was lodged in the wing. I don’t know enough about that stuff to understand why the landing gear would be affected. Definitely seemed like a short runway and I guess the wall was there to prevent planes from causing more damage to buildings or roads beyond the runway? Is that something that would make sense?

Also read that ATC made them circle around after the first landing attempt, then made them use a different runway. Seems odd.

Heard that was runway was 9200' long. More than long enough for a belly landing if everything goes right. No flaps, slats, or gear = higher landing speed though. Not sure how a bird strike would effect all hydraulics. Black box will be telling for sure.

I have a friend who was a Co-Pilot on a 737-800. I ask him about backup systems for flaps and gear.

If I am understanding that correctly, there’s quadruple redundancy for the flaps and gear? A pump, B pump and an electric pump on both. Seems like it’d take a lot to lose all of those options, basically have to be falling out of the sky like a rock. I suppose they can’t really train on crash landings but I’d guess they’d train on landing procedures in the event of an engine failure, or at least I’d hope they’d do that every few months in a simulator so that it’s second nature.

Pilot error I assure you. A short amount of time it will come to light.

Per Blanco, it didn’t seem like they gave themselves enough time to complete most of the checklists.

Guys I work on these for a living,worked on the first one ever built and the last one ever built,I know this aircraft and its systems inside and out,there is no way that a bird strike could cause the flaps and landing gear to fail to deploy,once airborne that plane will fly just fine on one engine,and actually has five redundant systems for the flaps,2 Eng driven A_B pumps,2 Elec A-B pumps plus an elec motor to drive the flaps and slats down in the event of total A-B system hyd failure,the landing gear is another pretty much fail proof system,and it is a slam dunk fact that in the nine minutes between the bird strike/toga and the gear up/flaps up landing they never attempted a Manuel extension of either the flaps or the gear.
I don’t normally jump to conclusions on causes of aircraft crash’s,but this is just so far out of the norm its hard not to,If the FDR and CVR show something different,I will be the first to come back here and say I was wrong,but right now this goes squarely on the flight crew as far as I can tell.

Wouldn't surprise me if the systems were hacked.

I don't disagree. Humans grow accustomed to routine, and when it doesn't go as planned we sometimes forget ourselves. That is why emergency checklists are important. They do some of the thinking for you.

Actually if you knew anything about the next Gen it would surprise the hell out of you,you have no idea of the lengths that Boeing goes too,to protect their hard and soft ware,even the foreign airlines still have to pay Boeing for their latest updates,and data loads,every black box on the aircraft is loaded via a Pmat with a hard connection,when we unplug the pmat from the base it has the latest updates for that tail number in it,if the load does not meet the Boeing ops the aircraft will reject it,long story is ,you can’t hack an aircraft’s software.

Great info!

Saw A pilot with supposes a bazillion hrs on this model aircraft, said there was a simple lever in the cpit, that once pulled, allow the landing gear to fall just by gravity. His point was also likely crew iirc

So, I am a never say never type person. I think any system can eventually get hacked. This is especially true when so many components are mfg'd out of the country. I'm guessing Janet Yellen thought the same thing about the Treasury dept systems security.

So exactly which system would you hack to cause this chain of events to occur? The landing gear system? The flap system?,total BS these are two completely separate systems and neither are automated,they are controlled by the crew only through manual inputs from the cockpit.
Perhaps the engines? Not sure how you would hack a bird into the engine,but suppose you did,while the engine is a fly by wire,and has two EECs,they are also Boeing proprietary software protected,and alternate each cycle,and there is no way to program one to fail an engine.
As far as auto flight goes,it is obvious that the crew was hand flying the aircraft on the final approach as they were well off of the localizer and below the glide slope on the final approach.
Most likely scenario I have seen that makes any kind of sense is ,they shut the wrong engine down,that would explain the loss of A-system Eng.driven hydraulics and maybe the elec A system if they failed to transfer the elec power from the #2 engine,or the APU was not running,the landing gear operate on A-system and the Flaps off of B-system.
Either way to say a system is hacked and this caused the crash is totally unrealistic,I have plenty of training resources that I would be glad to go over with you to prove my point,(cannot share current Manuals due to the Boeing proprietary BS I go through ever time I sign in),I am not trying to be a know it all,But this is one of the aircraft I make my living working on,and I know it very well.
For the Record the Next Gen -700 -800 737 is probably one of the Best and safest aircraft ever built,and I would not hesitate to fly on one,and often do.

I didn't say it was hacked. I said it wouldn't surprise me. Thanks for the info though, it's insightful.

I agree with DCR, not a hack. Pilot error - too fast & short.